I have been amazed for months at the number of Obama supporters whose virulent hatred for Clinton leads them to swear that for all kinds of self-justifying reasons, they will never vote for Clinton under any circumstances. (Clinton supporters don’t seem to have the same mindset; I suppose I may have missed some, but I personally have not seen any Clinton supporters whining that they will not support or vote for Obama if Clinton doesn’t get the nomination.) The most astonishing justification used by some is the claim that they don’t see any difference between the Democratic Clinton and Republican McCain, apparently even after reading this brilliant post from Julia. That is just irrational, fact-free Hillary hatred and paranoia. There’s probably no changing people like that, but the rest of those who are threatening to take their marbles and go home really need to get a grip on this and think about it much more intelligently.

For the record, like some of the previous commenters, my first choice was out long ago, and my second bit the dust a few weeks later, so, as far as I’m concerned, I’m not thrilled with either of the remaining Democrats. But Albatross @ 68 summed up my feelings about it perfectly:

“. . .if you don’t like Obama, and Hilary wins, don’t vote for Obama; or if you don’t like Hilary, and Obama wins, don’t vote for Hilary.

Instead, vote for these guys.
Vote for Roe v. Wade.
Vote for the Rule of Law.
Vote for four Supreme Court justices.
Vote for U.S. withdrawal from Iraq.
Vote for de-politicizing the Justice Department.
Vote for pragmatism.
Vote for America.

Don’t vote for the person who wins the nomination. Vote for what you will lose if McCain takes charge.”

To that list, I would add one more: Vote for a Democratic Congress to be able to pass the laws they believe are right for the country without interference from the White House before the fact or having those laws vetoed or gutted by “signing statements” after the fact.

Neither Obama nor Clinton is a perfect candidate and neither will be a perfect progressive President. But either one of them will be immeasurably better than McCain. Anybody who refuses to acknowledge that is either a troll, a Republican, or a damn fool.

Yours would have been a good point, if we could have confidence that Clinton would be a leader who is sensitive to race issues. Apparently, however, she is not, and I’ll be damned if I’ll support or vote for another thug politician, having just barely survived the CURRENT one (no matter WHO’s party they are in)! I had JUST resigned myself to vote for which ever dem gets to the generals. I did that at some point last week, and then one day later I saw this:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..447/468408

http://www.dailykos.com/commen…..021/51#c51

If it is Clinton on the ticket, I AM STAYING HOME. I have to LIVE with my votes for the rest of my life, and I can NOT live with voting for someone who would do such a despicable thing as noted in the above links.

I’d respectfully suggest you rethink that point, Julia.

It breaks my heart that still — to this day — most Americans have a memory about 1 year long.

And Bluetoe — you are correct. I can’t even stand to see Hillary on TV anymore. Her lies make my stomach turn. And who is SHE to say the Obama campaign did the correct thing to “make” the latest staffer resign? And all the while, saying Obama was like Ken Starr. Oh, but THAT’S different!

I swear to you — if Hillary is on the ticket, I will not vote. And don’t you dare say I am stupid, or childish. She herself says she is so much like McCain — and I have to agree. I will vote for neither McCain — the male or the female one.

And don’t insult my intelligence with the stupid, “The Democrats have two GREAT candidates! An embarrassment of riches!” line. That is a lie. I am not an Obama groupie. I was for Kusinich, and then Edwards. So, Obama is my 3rd choice. And my last choice.

Words (and Music) by Frances Taylor and Pete Seeger

Those Three Are On My Mind.

I think of Andy in the cold wet clay
Those three are on my mind
With his comrades down beside him
On that brutal day
Those three are on my mind

There lays young James in his final pain
Those three are on my mind
So I ask the killers can you see those three again
Those three are on my mind

I see dark eyed Michael
With his dark eyed bride
Those three are on my mind
And three proud mothers
Weeping side by side
Those three are on my mind

But I’m grieving yet
And for some the sky is bright
I cannot give up hoping
For a morning light
So I ask the killers do you sleep at night
Those three are on my mind

I see tin roof shanties
Where my brothers live
Those three are on my mind
And the little burnt out churches
Where they sing we forgive
Those three are on my mind

I know of Tom paints water tree
I know the price of liberty
Now I ask the question that is deep inside of me
Did they also burn the courthouse
When they killed those three
Those three are on my mind
Those three are on my mind
Those three are on my mind

Actually, I kind of knew I would get over my anger. For the SCOTUS and maybe some semblance of action on climate change. The fear of course would be that after all that would have to happen for her to get the nomination my vote won’t help much anyway. Luckily I do not see how she can win unless she can so undermine Obama that she wins big enough in PA, WV, FL, etc. to take the overall popular vote and gets within a few delegates. The tragedy is, but for a flip of 2% in the popular vote in Texas and this thing would probably be winding down now.

Great post. We do need to keep things in perspective, but I really do want something better than the absence of doom as a motivator for once. But, if that’s all you’ve got, that’s all you’ve got.

I agree, and find it amazing Sen. Clinton has moved me to this camp in such a short time.

And for what? She’s not going to win the nomination, the math is just not there. The pledged delegates aren’t gonna move, and the supers are not gonna cause civil war within the party on her behalf.

So she trudges on, scorching more earth every day, driven by an out of control ego and sense of entitlement that will only serve to permanently damage their legacy within the party.

Very sad. And unnecessary.

I turned 13 in 1964 and I remember the Mississippi case well. Your conclusion brought it all back and now I’m kvelling.

Thank you.