I know late night is supposed to be lighthearted, but there’s been something I’ve been wanting to talk about and it’s not really what you’d call lighthearted. I’d really appreciate your being patient with me (you’ve been remarkably good about that so far…)
This past week I’ve been reading (mostly in less temperate climes than this, to be sure) that folks are going to sit out the election if their candidate doesn’t win. I find this disturbing. Let me tell you why.

These heartbreakingly young faces belonged to three young men named Michael Schwerner, James Chaney, and Andrew Goodman. They wanted to help.
Voting rights would play a central role in Mississippi in 1964 during Freedom Summer, when the Council of Federated Organizations and the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee, which included leaders like Fannie Lou Hamer, organized young northern college students to register black voters, form freedom schools, and investigate civil rights violations. Black Mississippians played a crucial role that summer working with and housing the students.
They’ve been dead for a long time now.
On June 21, 1964, three young civil rights workers—a 21-year-old black Mississippian, James Chaney, and two white New Yorkers, Andrew Goodman, 20, and Michael Schwerner, 24—were murdered near Philadelphia, in Nashoba County, Mississippi. They had been working to register black voters in Mississippi during Freedom Summer and had gone to investigate the burning of a black church. They were arrested by the police on trumped-up charges, imprisoned for several hours, and then released after dark into the hands of the Ku Klux Klan, who beat and murdered them. It was later proven in court that a conspiracy existed between members of Neshoba County’s law enforcement and the Ku Klux Klan to kill them.
The FBI arrested 18 men in October 1964, but state prosecutors refused to try the case, claiming lack of evidence. The federal government then stepped in, and the FBI arrested 18 in connection with the killings. In 1967, seven men were convicted on federal conspiracy charges and given sentences of three to ten years, but none served more than six. No one was tried on the charge or murder. The contemptible words of the presiding federal judge, William Cox, give an indication of Mississippi’s version of justice at the time: "They killed one ni—r, one Jew, and a white man. I gave them all what I thought they deserved.
All three of them – the native mississippian and his two visitors from the north – weren’t willing to sit still while citizens were denied the right to vote. They were killed for it.
Thing is: they won
For it was difficult to turn on the television without news of the Schwerner, Chaney and Goodman search. From late June to 4 August 1964, television regularly and consistently transmitted news of the tragedy to the entire nation. Television ultimately legitimated and lent new urgency to the decade- long struggle for basic human and civil rights that the Civil Rights Movement had difficulty achieving prior to the television age. The incessant gaze of the television cameras on the murders and disappearance of Schwerner, Chaney and Goodman, following on the heels of the Evers and Kennedy assassinations, resulted in mobilizing national support for the Civil Rights Movement. In fact, it was television’s coverage of the Civil Rights Movement’s crises and catastrophes that became a prelude to the medium’s subsequent involvement with and handling of the later social and political chaos surrounding the Black Power, Anti-War, Free Speech and Feminist Movements. As veteran civil rights reporters went on to cover the assassinations of Malcom X, Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy, as well as the ghetto uprisings thereafter, a whole new visual and aural lexicon of crisis-television developed, one that in many ways still defines how television news is communicated.
By 1968, it was clear that television’s powerful and visceral images of the civil rights struggle had permeated many levels of American social and political reality. These images had helped garner support for such liberal legislation as the 1964 Voting Rights Act and President Lyndon B. Johnson’s ‘Great Society" and "War on Poverty" programs, all of which are legatees of the Civil Rights Movement.
although some disagreed
Understanding states’ rights helps to explain why Reagan launched his 1980 presidential campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi. He was invited to do so by then-US Representative (later Senator and majority leader) Trent Lott. In Philadelphia Reagan endorsed states’ rights and in turn was endorsed by the Ku Klux Klan, which was present on that occasion. In 1964 Philadelphia was the site where civil rights workers Andrew Goodman, Michael Schwerner and James Chaney were murdered in the name of states’ rights as they attempted to register blacks to vote in Mississippi. In 1980 Reagan was sending a states’ rights signal to all conservatives, South and North, that their states would be given freedom even if it was at the expense of justice.
Link to the current election: that was the environment a young college student named Michelle Robinson had some issues with when she was attending Princeton
"My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my ‘blackness’ than ever before," the future Mrs. Obama wrote in her thesis introduction. "I have found that at Princeton, no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don’t belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second."
Another link: a young man applying for a job in Reagan’s Justice Department was less conflicted about issues of racial inclusion
Earlier this week, recently released documents drew attention for showing that, in a 1985 job application, Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito ‘72 wrote that he is "particularly proud" of his work on cases arguing that "racial and ethnic quotas should not be allowed and that the Constitution does not protect a right to an abortion."
Now, opponents to his nomination are using another piece of information from those documents to suggest he is far outside the mainstream in his political and social views: Near the end of his "Personal Qualifications Statement" for a high-level job in Ronald Reagan’s Justice Department, Alito wrote that he was "a member of the Concerned Alumni of Princeton University, a conservative alumni group."
What’s CAP?
To understand CAP, you really have to understand that until the late 60s, the almost total absence of black students at Princeton was a feature, not a bug. It was one of the reasons people went there.
…
"An alumnus wrote in 1974 in CAP’s magazine that “We had trusted the admissions office to select young men who could and would become part of the great Princeton tradition. In my day, [Dean of Student Affairs] Andy Brown would have been called to task for his open love affair with minorities.”"
…
"CAP supported a quota system to ensure that the vast majority of students would continue to be men. Asa Bushnell, then chairman of CAP, told the New York Times in 1974 that “Many Princeton graduates are unhappy over the fact that the administration has seen fit to abrogate the virtual guarantee that 800 [out of roughly 1,100] would continue to be the number of males in each freshman class.”"
And for those conservatives who oppose affirmative action on the grounds that we should pay no attention to gender or ethnicity:
"Another article published that same year bemoaned the fact that "the makeup of the Princeton student body has changed drastically for the worse" in recent years–Princeton had begun admitting women in 1969–and wondered aloud what might happen if the university adopted a "sex-blind" policy "removing limits on the number of women." In an unsuccessful effort to forestall this frightening development, the executive committee of CAP published a statement in December 1973 that affirmed unequivocally, "Concerned Alumni of Princeton opposes adoption of a sex-blind admission policy.""
So was Michelle Obama uncomfortable as a woman of color at Princeton?
Well then: one Supreme Court Justice who wouldn’t have ever happened without George W. Bush accomplished his youthful goals.
(Just hold on a little longer. We’re getting there)
So guess what. The poll tax? Courtesy of two Supreme Court Justices who would have never happened without George W. Bush, it may be coming back.
When Indiana adopted its voter-ID law in 2005—requiring voters to present a government-issued photo ID before casting a ballot—the state purported to be beating back the malodorous tide of vote fraud that was ostensibly sweeping the nation. But as professor Richard Hasen has ably demonstrated here in Slate, this vote-fraud epidemic is largely fictional. The major bipartisan draft fraud report (PDF) on the subject concluded there’s very little polling-place fraud in America. So, increasingly, the effort to stop fictional vote fraud looks like a partisan effort to suppress votes that tend to go to Democrats—and somehow, it’s always indigent, elderly, and minority voters who are disproportionately affected. A Republican-controlled legislature passed Indiana’s law on a party-line vote, and then a Republican governor signed it, and every judge to cast eyes upon it thereafter seemed to be for or against it based on his or her own political affiliation.The Indiana Democrats, joined by the ACLU and others, sued shortly after the voter-ID law was adopted. Both a federal district court and then the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals (in the most readable piece of legal writing in history) upheld the law. Judge Richard Posner, writing for the majority, argued that few registered voters, faced by the voter-ID requirement, "will say what the hell and not vote." Judge Terence Evans, retorting in dissent, was equally blunt: "Let’s not beat around the bush: The Indiana voter photo ID law is a not-too-thinly-veiled attempt to discourage election-day turnout by certain folks believed to skew Democratic."
…
"But there’s not a single recorded example of voter impersonation fraud in Indiana," begins Smith, who should have been allowed to sit down after making just this argument. But the chief justice offers up two fine pretend arguments for the pretend law: 1) Pretend Vote Fraud might become a real problem someday; and 2) it’s so hard to detect that Pretend Vote Fraud might be a problem now—we just don’t know it yet. Let’s eradicate the pretend problem of invisible naked jugglers while we’re at it, then.
Justice Samuel Alito points out that a 2005 bipartisan commission on election reform, co-chaired by Jimmy Carter and former Secretary of State James Baker, also called for voter-ID laws. But Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg reminds him that those IDs were supposed to be "easily and costlessly" procured over a period of time. Smith adds that the commission also found that 12 percent of eligible voters in this country don’t have a driver’s license.
See, they haven’t been able to prove any fraud, but just in case there is fraud, poor people should have to pay for a license they don’t need in order to vote. If they can pull this off, welcome back, poll tax.
So how does this all tie into this year’s election?
Earlier this week, the Wall Street Journal’s John Fund and Robert Novak reported that Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., had allegedly privately told conservatives that he would seek Supreme Court Justice nominees like John Roberts, but Samuel Alito might be a judge too far because Alito "wore his conservatism on his sleeve."…
The National Review’s Byron York asked McCain about it directly. "Let me just look you in the eye," the Arizona senator said, "I’ve said a thousand times on this campaign trail, I’ve said as often as I can, that I want to find clones of Alito and Roberts. I worked as hard as anybody to get them confirmed. I look you in the eye and tell you I’ve said a thousand times that I wanted Alito and Roberts. I have told anybody who will listen. I flat-out tell you I will have people as close to Roberts and Alito [as possible], and I am proud of my record of working to get them confirmed, and people who worked to get them confirmed will tell you how hard I worked."
Aw, he’s just saying that to get elected.
Now, with Giuliani out, several conservative legal stars who had been with the former New York mayor — including former solicitor general Ted Olson, an icon of the Federalist Society set — have signed on with McCain.
Today, two other influential ex-Giuliani lawyers — Steven Calabresi and John McGinnis — published an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal explaining their decision…
We make no apology for suggesting that electability must be a prime consideration. The expected value of any presidential candidate for the future of the American judiciary must be discounted by the probability that the candidate will not prevail in the election. For other kinds of issues, it may be argued that it is better to lose with the perfect candidate than to win with an imperfect one. The party lives to fight another day and can reverse the bad policies of an intervening presidency. The judiciary is different. On Jan. 20, 2009, six of the nine Supreme Court justices will be over 70. Most of them could be replaced by the next president, particularly if he or she is re-elected. Given the prospect of accelerating gains in modern medical technology, some of the new justices may serve for half a century.
There is much to support Calabresi’s and McGinnis’s diagnosis of the 2008 election’s importance for the future of the Supreme Court. Four movement conservatives — Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, John Roberts, and Sam Alito — are on the nine-member court already. The latter three justices are also the court’s youngest members, so upcoming vacancies are more likely to mean the replacement of one or more liberal justices, including 88-year-old John Paul Stevens, than one of the four lock-step conservatives.
Thus, the next president, especially if he or she also wins re-election in 2012, will be in a position either to give adherents of the Federalist Society philosophy a dominating majority on the court for decades, or to block the conservative legal revolution just a few inches from the goal-line. In the short-term, a fifth movement conservative on the court would have dramatic consequences for the shape of constitutional law over such currently controversial matters as abortion rights, the death penalty, gay rights, affirmative action, environmental regulations, and the scope of the president’s power as commander-in-chief.
OK, now we’re back at the beginning.
Brave men who look to me from the promontory of my middle age like kids were willing to die – did die – so these evil fuckers wouldn’t win.
Now it’s down to us.
We can snatch the federalist society’s chance to rebuild the world in their own sick images away from them and see that they never get near a chance to hurt our country this way again.
Or you could decide that if your candidate doesn’t win the nomination you’d rather see McCain choose the next three or four Supreme Court Justices than vote for the other Democrat.
I’d like you to try and find a way to explain that would have convinced Michael Schwerner, James Chaney, and Andrew Goodman.
They died for this. All we have to do is reach out a hand and take it, which still leaves you one hand free to hold your nose if you need it.
Me, I think we owe it to them. I can do it either way.
You?
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early zed!
Early, Late Nite…!
Aloha, Julia!
But, your fri. nite, Wingnut Crap’o the week post usually isn’t lighthearted… No apologies necessary…! *g*
Sorry folks. Had a little server glitch. Late Night will be back at it’s regularly scheduled time.
It’s certainly a clarion call to me… 8-(
*tapping monitor* testing one two, testing one two
Yes’m, Lima Charlie…! ;-)
Is this the unposting?
BOYZ rule!
Is this the real late night?
Now back to read it… Hi Julia…
Nothing can stop me from voting Democratic this November. I will vote for the Democratic nominee.
unfortunately, i prefer men. (/s)
That is a long piece Julia has come up with.
I’ll just sit here quietly and drool. Don’t mind me.
Suzanne, that’s twice I hit your reply button and it didn’t register… Are ya coated in teflon as well as the Tab armor…? 8-P
standing on chair clapping
We’re all really boys. We never grow up.
Ahem. Hello! Welcome, travellers of the late night space-time continuum, to my post. It is, actually, quite long, although you dodged a bullet because it used to be much, much longer.
Make that three times…!
teflon, nomex, kelvar and pop tops from cans. and folks wonder why i’m not diving anymore…
thanks.
ct, try clearing your cache again – bet you haven’t done it since the last time i suggested you try that…
Thanks for this excellent post and your great writing, Julia.
what guy helped you?/s
julia, what’s so sad is that if these young men disappeared today, unless there was a missing white woman with them, it would not get the amount of air time it got back then.
too heavily laden… 8-P
Thank you for editing, Julia. It is a very good post still.
We in this household have had the Kiddo style all along and will vote for the Democratic nominee, whether the best one wins or not.
:P
Actually, M’dear a couple of times…!
and think of the rust stains…
It is sad. News is supposed to be the first draft of history. We seem to have a media actively engaged in deciding what history is going to be.
It’s so… soviet.
Ironic, neh?
..because you’re wearing an anchor?
Amen. Excellent, excellent post.
We need to bury these miserable Federalist fuckers before they destroy everything. (further)
Well that’s a terrific post. Thank you.
are you using the most recent version of firefox?
Agreed.
When was the latest FF released?
2.0.0.12 – unlike someone who shall remain *cough* nameless *cough* who was using ver. 1.5
Very good post Julia. Ya, there is lot at stake with this election.
People forget that people died about this stuff…people are still dying about this stuff.
And a little bit of trivia. Every time you listen to Public Radio a little bit of Andy Goodman comes through it. Andy’s father was Robert Goodman, the President of the Pacifica Radio Network in 1964. Pacifica was really one of the few stations that would broadcast consistently about Civil Rights issues.
Andy’s mother died just last yearActivists Mother Dies. She was also an activist, carrying on her sons legacy.
FYI, the opposite of the Federalist Society, the American Constitution Society, has a website with a number of videos of panels they’ve held:
http://www.acslaw.org/
Makes for some good TV when you have spare time.
wow cinnamonape – that’s cool. thanks!
suz, ya oughtta get that cough checked….
(oh yeah – Arnold trashed CA’s budget. never mind)
hahaha achoo upgrade yet kirk achoo
Ooh, low blow…! Doc!
1,779 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Julia and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
I have been hearing this argument about the Supreme Court and it’s importance in the next cycle too much these last few days. So I would like to advance an idea that I think better secures the court against anymore Alitos or Roberts Federalist clones. First, it is the Democratic Party and its failure to fillibuster the last two appointment that got us where we are now. Secondly, there is no guarantee that if elected, Mrs. Clinton will nominate young “progressive” judges…in fact, it is my contention that on many fronts including court appointments, Mrs.Clinton is more of a threat to abuse a solid if not super-majority and advance less than progressive nominees or legislative proposals. I believe that workin’ to grow progressive super majorities in the House and Senate is better insurance against bad judges or bad legislation than electing a bad president.
Don’t try and extort progressive voters to follow the “my party right or wrong” bullshit by usin’ the specter of a more conservative court…get a solid progressive majority in both houses AND real progressive leadership and we don’t hafta worry about who the hell is president. In fact, I believe that givin’ Mrs. Clinton the White House with Democratic majorities would be more dangerous to the future of progressive politics and government than having Democratic majorities in opposition to the White House…jest take a look at how good Mr. Clinton was for the last Democratic majorities in the 20th century.
KEEP THE FAITH AND KEEP THAT STUFF OUTTA MY YARD!!
OMG. It is so important that we elect the democratic candidate. Great post, Julia.
hey norske *waving*
Evening pups.
Epic post, Julia. Let’s hope a few of the me, me, me folks here will be able to temper their high and mighty attitude towards the “other” democratic candidate.
The repugs have to be buried during the next election, tsunamied, vanished…
Brillante Julia, vous resplendissez.
You might want to do a google for the phrase “procedural maneuvers”
The Senate won’t save us. A Democrat will.
Apparently, I had the 2.0.10 version… Now I’ve added the (your) .02 cents…! 8-P
seems appropo
Thanks.
Whatever happened to our television heros? On network?
That’s interesting. I wonder if those Goodmans are connected to Amy Goodman of Democracy Now! On Pacifica. Do you know?
I don’t consider abstaining from one office on the ballot, which I still haven’t decided to do if displeased, as a violation of what they stood for. Sorry if others disagree. I might be in a position to not feel morally able to vote for either candidate.
Brava, Julia! *standing on chair applauding and cheering*
It’s submitted now, pups, so refresh and get diggin’!
FunnyDiva
Great post. Maybe you can talk FDL into reposting in periodically until the general election. The political task before us to reverse the movement toward reactionary feudalism, crony capitalism that will destroy our economcy, and authoritarianism that will take away our civil rights and fail to protect national security. We need to get back on the road to a civilized, moderate, prosperous and free society that is governed by a broad based democratic process with respect for civil rights.
It is about a lot more than either HRC or Obama. Either one of them will be fine to run and win. But it is more important that the Democratic nominee wins, whoever that is.
And just as important it is about
1) getting a more progressive and aggressive Congress next term
2) building Democratic strength in governorships and state legislatures, and
3)continuing a broad-based grass-roots Democratic party.
In fact, I would say that the combined importance of 1)-3) above is greater than who wins presidency, and far far more important that whether it is HRC or Obama.
I think the stakes are just as high as Julia argues in the post.
Well, a gentleman named Tisch answered the call to buy CBS and fire Dan Rather
Then Tim Russert met Jack Welch and the rest was, well, history of a sort.
to ease digging
no need to refresh – just click the link and digg away
What happened to Liarman?? McCain got captured and had to face his own and other
devils. But the future senator from Conn?? When did he sell out for comfort and wealth?
remember ned lamont? that is when he shed his dem skin and clad himself in snakeskin.
uh….er…no…
i’m hoping the smart girl next door can help
The Federalist Society is an anti-American fifth column that will destroy the U.S. if they are not stopped. That it comes down to who appoints the next Supreme Court nominees is an indication that progressives and liberals have merely been fighting a rear guard action. That it has come to this “last stand” is an indictment of how poorly progressives have been fighting against anti-democratic totallitarian forces in the Republican Party. The next great battle may well be the 2nd Civil War.
When did HoJo start running for public office…?
you baking her cookies would help
Offhand I’d say when he enlisted Prescott Bush and William F Buckley to help him take Lowell Weicker’s seat.
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P.S. I graduated in 1964, and I remember the summer of ‘64 comin’ as it did on the heels of the Kennedy assination (in Texas, remember) and though history sped up on me over the next ten years the memories of those three brave freedom riders are sacred to me and are part of the history I forced into my kids ‘cuz I knew they wouldn’t get it in school. So please don’t involk the blood sacrifice of three of the saints of our history to brow beat other young idealists (or older ones, for that matter) to vote for a bad candidate or against their better judgement…let ‘em find another way to imfluence their future.
KEEP THE FAITH WITH THE CHILDREN TODAY!!
If your candidate doesn’t win the Democratic nomination, don’t vote for the winner.
Nope, if you don’t like Obama, and Hilary wins, don’t vote for Obama; or if you don’t like Hilary, and Obama wins, don’t vote for Hilary.
Instead, vote for these guys.
Vote for Roe v. Wade.
Vote for the Rule of Law.
Vote for four Supreme Court justices.
Vote for U.S. withdrawal from Iraq.
Vote for de-politicizing the Justice Department.
Vote for pragmatism.
Vote for America.
Don’t vote for the person who wins the nomination. Vote for what you will lose if McCain takes charge.
Heh, Julia, ya owe me a Coke…! *g*
ding ding ding
There are no “heros” on television, merely celebrities.
Thanks, Suzanne!
FunnyD
He shed his snakeskin first, that is why Lamont did so well against the Liar.
not a monitor? I’m getting off cheap here.
However, KO certainly resembles Edward Murrow…!
Bluetoe2, so near as I can tell the Federalist Society not only advocates but actively works for the overthrow of our Republic and our Constitution.
As impeachment is a political act, I look forward to seeing progressives (come on down, Vermont) introduce impeachment resolutions in State legislatures. Time to say “buh-bye” to treason on the Federal Bench.
Restore Our Republic: Impeach the Federalist Judges
AL batross!!!
FunnyD
I don’t trust one candidate to do anything about more than half of those things. Sorry.
Too bad KO isn’t doing the nightly news on NBC, rather than Brian Williams.
Brilliant, man. Truly.
It’s very good, Julia.
Sometimes people need a major dope slap so they don’t forget what is at stake.
OK. Explain why their lives were less important than your amour propre, or your goals more important.
No kidding. I’m interested.
As much as I regret it, we need a political witchhunt, throughout the Judiciary and Executive branches… Sadly, this Maladministration has disabled that mechanism…! 8-(
And I don’t trust a single Rethug to do anything other than further dismantle as many things on that list as possible.
Me, I’d rather have your predicted half loaf than more rethuglicrap shitpiles.
FunnyD
What the country needs are televised treason trials to show the American public how THEIR government has been subverted by right wing anti-democratic totallitarians. It will be one of those “teaching moments” that will expose the current Republican Party for what they really are.
putative half loaf.
FD
Suzanne made me do it!
I think we should bring in Nelson Mandela. He did a brilliant job of exposing, assigning responsibility and allowing his country to move on. I was awed.
Think about the outcry the Repugs would raise, with the shoe on the other foot… What do you mean, you’re canning all these Federalist Society career DoJ’ers… The din would be deafening… Hmmm… Where were the Dems with the USA’s……..? Tragic, indeed… 8-(
I notice that McSame McCain got in touch with his inner Giuliani today, cutting off questions from a corporate press reporter on his BS Express about his flirtation with Kerry in last election.
Actually McSame McCain is worse than Giuliani. At least when Giuliani lost it, he showed a madcap, sometimes almost operatic, megalomaniac and campy zest.
McSame McCain loses it, he is just a repellant testy slef-important and self-righteous thug with a very volatile and nasty temper. I hope that becomes clear to public as campaign goes on.
Today we learn that Bush will veto the torture bill. Can’t help but wonder if he asks himself “what would Hitler do?” Has to be a low point in America’s history. Can only hope it’s not a watershed moment.
on a hot day, I bet he smells like stale pee, too.
You can count on the MSM providing their status quo darling, McCain, with all the cover he needs.
Bumiller, yes?
Hard to come up with a polite metaphor here. Suffice it to say it couldn’t have happened to a reporter who deserved it more (whose name didn’t rhyme with bonathon balter)
no no no.. not a how does mcshame smell..
nooooooooo
the keys for the lake are under the third seat from the left on the east side of the lake next to the fake rock holding kobe treats
depends…
Great post, Julia.
Now, if you could all just be patient with me, I have just published my first diary at Daily Kos entitled “An Open Letter to Congress.” Since this is my first effort, I barely know how it works. But I’d sure appreciate it if some of you who are members there could wander over and give it a little nudge up the ladder, so to speak, with a recommend. I actually published my letter here in an earlier post in which Christy asked us to write a fax, and I got such a complimentary response that I thought now might be just the time to publish my first diary. Thanks.
I found a note under the third seat from the left on the east side of the lake next to the fake rock holding kobe treats that says to look under the diving board at rock outcropping on the west side of the lake.
It surprises even me, who has never been a McCain fan, just how completely bogus his straight-talk reformer act is.
He is a thuggish, sleazy hypocritical operator, who uses standard Bushite bully frat-boy tactics to control those around him. Also, like bush, seems to have no self-awareness. Sort of person who has grown used to lying to himself so he can deny to himself how dishonest and sleazy he has become
I don’t know if he was always that way. Maybe he had to make a choice between his political ambition vs. his common sense and integrity and self-respect over last 8 years, and the ambition won. But so self-involved and self-important, he probably really cannot evaluate his own motives and actions like most normal people can. (but, many politicians are like that, sttill, he is an extreme case)
Now, whatever McCain was in the past, now he is a hollowed out empty husk, a shell of lies around a void, full of nothing but deluded amoral ambition.
OOps, I forgot to use his correct name. Not McCain, bu
McSAME McCain.
Court N Spark.
One Version:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/i…..AA240_.jpg
In complete honor of this thread, it’s author, and the gentlemen at hand:
http://play.rhapsody.com/richa…..ewandjames
Richard And Mimi Farina wrote a song for them. In their honor.
Click the link, listen to the clip, if you don’t know of this incident, them times, or the music of Richard and Mimi . . .
As Julia puts it, this and these, were huge times of change, sacrifice and loss and gains.
Great post Julia. Them boys deserve recognition, like they were on that bus with Rosa Parks.
We. Shall. Never. Forget.
Never. Again.
Never.
Aargh, the Newshour is showing McCan’t saying Community Colleges will be our savior… “They’ll retrain us by providing truck drivers, and, in computers…” Yee-haw, that’ll get us far…! 8-(
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Citizen Julia:
I apologize if my thoughts on this matter are unclear…I don’t articulate so good sometimes…only got three brain cellz left and I need 1 fer the left foot and 1 fer the right, that only leaves 1 ta chew gum and try and keep up with the complexities of the 21st century. In my memory and in the historical geography that I tried ta pass on ta my kids, Schwerner, Chaney and Goodman died not jest so Blacks could put an x beside the name of a candidate that was chosen for them from a world of which they would never be a part..to me the three heroes died to give everyone the right to influence their world and to make important choices in their lives, like to vote or NOT to vote… to be courted by candidates and parties, to be addressed as equals and to make a difference to one or another by voting or NOT. Please think of the three in the larger context of 1968 and the Freedom Democratic Party…the movement that really changed Mississippi politics for a moment until the forces that Mrs. Clinton represents took back control of the Democratic Party and wrote off the South and those heroes and instead opted for the pragmatic “big state” strategy that has gotten us into the mess we’re in now and has taken the Black vote for granted ever since.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, I HOPE THIS HELPS!!
Schwerner, Goodman and Chaney made their mimeos (this is well before Xerox, of course) in the school I was going to in DC.
Googling around, it doesn’t look like Andy Goodman is any relation to Amy. She was born in DC, but no mention that Carolyn Goodman ever spent any time there.
excellent diary – makes me wish i was a registered person over at the orange so i could hit the recommend…
I’m all over the patience. Frequently require it myself.
Yup, me too.
Thanks, Julia, great post.
Let’s remember what’s at stake. This post really helps.
But even so, how will we pay for those Community Colleges with a McCain tax policy?
I didn’t think they did.
I think they died so that everyone would have the right to make their choice on the same standing as everyone else.
I’m sorry, I can see you feel strongly about this, but I’m stuck on the fact that there is no Democratic candidate who has promised Kenneth Starr to nominate Alito clones to the Supreme Court.
That makes any Democratic candidate a prohibitive favorite over John McCain in my view.
Because there’s no wiggle room on this one. If we get it wrong, it’s set in stone.
P.S. Great post kid…
Once LBJ stated; “I will not seek the Nomination, nor will I accept…” , the Democratic apparatchik wrote off the South…! Pass the Ammo, bro! I know how to use it, Norske! 8-)
Excellent point! 8-)
Ding!
A rightous one, that piece is.
I know some folks who marched in Selma.
I don’t know anyone who knows people who were murdered down there, then.
But I’ve read lots about it all.
The Civil Rights Movement, was one of the most rightous moments for the human species on this rock, evah. IMHO.
N here we are, still fighting for them Civil Rights, some 45-50 years later after we thought they was acquired. Ok, date it from the Civil Rights Act legislation, of what? ‘64? The fight was ongoing LONG before the legislation.
And yes, people were murdered.
Google Penny Postcards. And THEIR history.
People were murdered, for a LONG time.
Strung up. For their color.
N still, we ain’t done with it?
Thanks Julia, great post. We can’t be let to forget, and NEVER, again, should we allow those horrible things to take place.
Not in OUR USA.
(FISA, Patriot Act).
No! Suz, we’ve just got ya to cross over to the Light side… We don’t want to lose ya to the Orange Satan…! *g*
A phreakin men, ma’am.
No snark about this.
Amen.
does this mean you think i’m salvageable (laughing)
Thanks, Suzanne and Julia. I wish you were members too. Guess I shoulda done this earlier in the evening, but first I had to figure out how, and that’s after I actually used Selise’s vcards to send faxes to those that Christy asked us to send them too. Also someone mentioned on the earlier thread that I should send it to our local paper, so I did, and the paper said they also have a blog now and I put it on there. All in all, I’ve been kinda busy this evening.
hey larue, you headed down to the utah benefit in felton monday nite the pig is tossing?
You’re a diplomat. I like that in a person. :)
Heh, Bobo Brooks is saying there’ll be redos for FLA and MI…! Hmmm…
there is a satisfaction that comes from doing good that makes all the busy worth it – and you done good, ann in az
Well, I guess our taks is to foil that. It won’t take much, because McSame McCain’s platform and pose is a collection of contradictions.
-Cater to wingnuts but be a moderate for the rest of us.
C-ontinue Bush policies but discmiss any critique of Bush policies as whining about the past.
-Run an even more militaristic foreign policy with more wars, and cut taxes.
R-un as an outsider/reformer with a campaign that is staffed and run by bigshot corporate lobbyists.
-Stand up for civil rights, treaty obligations rule of law and the troopers on the front lines, but pro-torture.
-Mr Integrity who games public finance in a standard GOP privatize the gains and socialize the losses scam.
A repeated public pinpricks and proddings in his facade and they guy’s whole schtick will simultaneously implode and explode.
I didn’t realize this before, but the dude is non too smart. So far the only responses he has shown to challenges is to either tell transparent lies, or lose his temper.
Call me weird, but I loved the smell of those mimeos.
Alas, Pacifica has in recent years, screwed it’s stations hard.
Clamped down on liberalism.
You know of the KPFA issues . . . .
Media consolidation and larger group ownership has screwed even the community radio stations. Sad, it is.
Good. About time. The voters of those states don’t deserve to be disenfranchised because their political leaders were playing games.
Thank you so much for bringing this up. Tradtional conservatives who believe in moderation of government should also vote Democrat this year. Our democracy simply may not survive a supreme court stacked for corporations and the unitary executive.
For individual rights to regain prominence in our society we must strive to have intelligent reasonable supreme court justices. Right wing ideologues with no respect for the law have no business on the supreme court.
We must have people of a certain character who understand the consequences of their actions. Like the fact that legalizing abortions will lead to women’s deaths. Like the fact that taking away private property rights is bad for our economy. Like the fact that letting corporations with deep pockets discriminate and take advantage of employees is bad for our society and our economy. Like the fact that there is no unitary executive. Period. The unitary executive is a fantasy of the Bush Admistration. We don’t need spineless supreme court.
I don’t want any President to have the powers that Bush is claiming he has. That is why I think he has to be impeached. The people must demonstrate that we know the constitution contains checks and balances and we seek to preserve that. Anyone who disagrees, gets impeached.
I concur, but, Crist needs to pony up some duckies… MI, I’m not sure…!
1,779 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Julia:
We ken agree to disagree, after all it’s the conversation, indeed the ARGUMENT about what our history means that is important…and there are plenty of candidates that Mrs. Clinton is fully capable of advancin’ that would be equally as bad as Ken Starr, in fact worse ‘cuz even with a McCain President Starr would never get confirmed with solid Democratic majorities. Nay, young Julia, don’t tell us to buy a pig in a poke…and be careful that you don’t shrink meaning of the sacrifice others have made into an argument for the freedom to choose the size of the jail cell we confine ourselves to.
KEEP THE FAITH AND KEEP THINKIN’ KID!!
I’ll vote for the Democratic nominee and a straight ticket. As a Texan, I’ve had about all the Republican rule I can stand. Dead armadillos would be an improvement on some of the carrion we have from top to bottom.
See, this is why I love the internets. Nobody ever calls me young face to face.
I really appreciate your post, Julia. I also strongly believe in Norske’s first comment.
One point I keep returning to, in re Clinton, is she raised a lot of money and ardently supports gang of fourteen member, Senator Marx Pryor, D- anti-choice AR. The only anti choice D senator or congressman from AR in modern history. When I say raised money, I mean constantly and she continues to do so. Also Mark has been worse than Lieberman who is his mentor (so he says). Mark has been wrong on everything MIC, Geneva, MCA, Patriot Act, Alito, Roberts, Gonzo, Mukasey and so many other horrendous votes. Hillary is working hard to make sure he returns next year.
How can I believe in someone who raises what could easily be millions of dollars with/for Mark Pryor? At the same time I cannot name one progressive candidate incumbent or nay who the Clintons support.
How can I ignore Clintons support of Lieberman and what Harold “DLC” Ford is up to?
I also would appreciate thoughtful discussion at some point about what a DLC president would and would NOT do with a D controlled House and Senate?
Not trying to start a fight at all. But I cannot ignore the facts.
I worry much more about the Clinton experience more than anything else when it comes to shaping up the D party and the country.
I have to say all of my voting options are on the table as long as Clinton is a factor.
Can I call a cease fire? A Democratic tsunami is coming… Alito clones will not be appointed… It maybe SNAFU, but, the People are speaking… *g*
Ain’t virtual reality wonderful…we ken be whatever we wanna be. And you will always be young to me, dear.
please don’t be saying that you would vote for mcshame…
Ma’am no ma’am.
I’m not a traveling Pig, and school nights are no go’s for any events.
I sent our lil check and our love to Utah . . . he’s just up the hill from us in Auburn/Grass Valley.
I sure love that man.
And his music, and message.
I’ve had the honor to meet him a few times in the past few years since ‘01, and he’s ALWAYS personalized each and every meet . . . what do I do, thanks for the support, can I help him with this or that, do I support the masses and the working men and women . . . totally engaged one on one.
We talk every time. I mention Studs Terkel, and he lights up, and we REALLY start to talk.
Like I mattered to him.
I love that man. He’s SUCH a hoss of a progressive.
Sorry, went on forever. I’m bustin bawlin thinkin about him. ;-)
Sir, you fluster me.
Even a DLC President would have to pay attention to us. McCain could stiff us every bit as hard as Bush does.
After hearing HRC endorse McCain over Obaba should she not prevail, I cannot conceive of voting for her if she does prevail. I am a lifelong Democrat. By endorsing McCain, HRC is not a Democrat. She crossed the Lieberman line with me, and from there there is no return.
Here’s a masterpiece performed by a master, Bruddah IZ…
Peace and Goodwill!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsPcnDjNUV8
Yeah, the smell of the mimeo’s. Brings back memories.
I certainly wouldn’t today. All options are on the table.
We also need to introduce into the debate, sooner rather than later, the idea that a Democratic president should propose expanding the Supreme Court to thirteen members and filling the four new vacancies him/herself. We can call it the William Rehnquist Federal Court Workload Relief Act, since the old drug addict Chief was constantly complaining about how much work there was.
Double the size of the Federal judiciary too: Circuit, Appeals, the whole works. Do it in the first six months of the new Administration when the GOPs are still shell-shocked from their stunning 11/08 loss.
A vote for McShame will put you under the table.
You had Mrs. Burns in second grade, too?
Thanks, Tut. I never tire of that one.
Excellent idea. It’s either that or impeachments.
Of course, Soledad O’Brien claimed this evening on AC360 that a new primary disenfranchises the voters who participated in the first go-round.
There’s absolutely no pleasing Pravda.
Why not both?
That one is particularly good, his voice and his uke are the soundtrack, with the awesome shots of Hawaii and him strumming the uke…! *g*
norske – you are an inspiration and a wise man.
Honestly? I’m in the least-harm place, and I really don’t think any Democrat is as much of a risk as John McCain is.
Take that as coming from someone whose candidate of choice dropped out before my primary.
I hear the cadence of someone who’s watched Pride and Prejudice recently. ;)
The only thing anyone’s recently ever said to me was “would you like the senior citizen discount on that?”
There is no marker in Philadelphia, Mississippi where Schwerner, Chaney and Goodman were found.
Should Obama be our candidate, I would recommend that he open his campaign by dedicating a memorial in Philadelphia, Mississippi to these three young men.
A classic that is, hoss.
You young pup, you.
*G*
I’m pretty sure that’s what all those Democrats in Congress thought when Bill Clinton became President. I think they went right on thinking that until they lost the majority.
Honestly, I’ve long since registered that stuff as the rhetorical equivalent of “Do you want fries with that?”
you too ES. well said.
Aloha, Selise, have ya seen the news that Dodd might be afforded the chance to redeem himself and actually filibuster FISA…?
So am I. but I don’t think the answer is as obvious as we might want to believe.
Who would be better for the Blue America/ progressive movement, Clinton or McCain?
Great Post Julia. There is NO chance I would sit out just because my candidate didn’t get the nomination. My first choice was out long ago.
yes!
God help me. I’m a huge Jane Austen fan, but Her Majesty (my twelve year old) has developed a mad passion for the A&E Pride and Prejudice (I suspect she has a crush on Mr. Darcy) and we’ve watched it maybe three kajillion times this past few months.
but i’d rather see reid force mcconnell to have to organize a filibuster instead.
acutally, i’d rather see pelosi stop fucking us over and do what she claims she wants to do.
Geebuz, that’s some powerful shit, hoss.
I’d join that effort, anytime.
Right phreallin on. Powerful stuff.
Please send it to Obama’s staff, asap.
If we need to jump on board of this, to move it forward, let me know where to send my support of this.
laruepork at netzero dot net
I’m DOWN for gettin up for THIS one . . . great call, hoss. GREAT call.
Ain’t it Kewl! He says he’ll do it, too… Did you see Pow Wow’s comment to Glenn?
Dodd might be afforded the chance to redeem himself and actually filibuster FISA….
Please let it be so.
By me? the one who doesn’t have an almost perfect conservative voting record.
Heh, Do ya think Pelosi actually has a spine? I mean, really? *g*
Clinton should not even be a part of the equation, IMHO.
Her ‘negatives’ are calculated, and as abhorrent as her stand for the middle class, which she is NOT standing for.
I choose to disagree with ya, ma’am.
i haven’t read it yet (must ALWAYS read ALL of pow wow’s comments *g*)… but i did see you quote a bit of it in an earlier thread. (thank you!).
i’m sitting here working on something that doesn’t take much thought at this point (on my ibook), listening to really loud music, and glancing over at the imac which, of course, has fdl in the open browser window.
yes, you may commence the teasing that i have no life. *g*
yes, i do. really.
think of what she did to rep. starks. imo, she’s got plenty of spine, she just doesn’t care about the same things that i do.
Selise, lord help us all, but Pelosi and Feinstein and Boxer sold us progressives out down the river long ago.
It all became rather evident when Pelosi became Speaker.
Not a SINGLE progressive Congressional issue has been enacted since.
She lied, Selise. She lied to us all. If they lie, we should NOT support them.
We should replace them, that’s what blue progressives do.
Lemme know when and how I can help . . . Pelosi, Reid, Feinstein, Boxer.
They all gotta go, ya know?
Snark.
Ewe haz it.
*G*
Ding, ding, ding… That is spot on.
I wrote a reply to someone on another forum who thinks it’s funny to not include a link to the article and then say, “Oh it’s in there.”
Passive aggressive little piojo.
Anyway, what I wrote was sort of like this: “I must confess I cannot find the URL but as you say you’ve included it, would you please point out which paragraph it’s in? Thank you for your indulgence in this matter.”
That’s when I thought, Oy, a little too much Jane Austen.
You do so have a life. It just happens to revolve around electronics.
DiFi, was just re-elected. She says she isn’t running again. I didn’t vote for her the last two times she ran. She’s a closet republic who is married to war profiteer.
imo – support howie’s blue america candidates, cindy sheehan and get involved in your local party (if you can stomach it).
but as norske pointed out – there are lots of ways to be involved, and not all of the require participation in electoral politics.
Oh, I love her. She had a genius for being astonishingly snarky while being perfectly proper. I think I’ve read everything she’s ever written.
*groan* Yep, our ‘Leadersheep’ hard at work…! ;-)
Feinstein is gone in another four years. She won’t run again. She is too old and CA has finally caught on to her bullshit.
Nope.
You don’t get that perch all to yourself.
*Turns up the Pink Floyd…*
During a recent Book Salon I asked the author, who had writtn a road guide to important civil rights sites, what one site would he recommend a person visit. He answered the grave of Fanny Hamer in Ruleville, Mississippi.
I did a bit of reading about it. Interestingly, the epitaph on her stone reads: “I am sick and tired of being sick and tired.”
they’re just a tool to be used in support of a greater goal.
Total enlightenment via electrical current.
Heh, Eli might chime in… Three-part harmony then…! ;-)
LOL – should have know that you-all would understand. (got some live phish going here)
Bless her heart. She was a brave woman. I hope she got to see the world move before she died.
Hear, hear! Pelosi betrayed every thinking progressive and we must find and recruit a true progressive to replace her asap.
Zabriskie Point Sessions here.
It was the alcohol, loved it, worked in the printshop myself.
Cindy Sheehan is running against her, however, she is till very popular.
Whew, what an epithet…! Speaks volumes…! ;-)
I do too! I just laugh aloud at those scenes. So much was veiled then, and not just with drapery.
i have never heard that… should put it on my list.
Like a Burqa?
hmm – sure looks to me like both Dem Senators crossed that Party line….and both leave much to be ignored there – or both leave much to notice.
Been lurkin and pondering through Julia’s thread.
1. Pelosi is first a politician…a critter with a flexible spine. When the support is there for Impeachment (not the reasons) she will get out of the way. Our job is to creaye that support.
2.HRC is dangerous McSame is more so. Sometimes you don’t get to chose who you want. Teddy says it well dilute the supremes et al to balance the judiciary.
3. Which would you prefer death or life in prison or a better choice than the worst.
It depends on the state you live in, if it will go Dem in November, not a big deal, but if not … . My state is listed as a toss-up. I’m not thrilled with either Dem candidate, but will vote for the one on my ballot in November. Our military needs a person that won’t just use them as a prop. Our judiciary needs someone who will appoint judges that don’t think only the corporations or their party counts. Our nation needs a leader that doesn’t view those that oppose him as terrorist -lovers. I could go on and on, but either Dem will be light-years better than a Republican.
howdy!
really like and agree with this:
not gonna argue with you if that is how you see things. and i’m gonna support norske too.
‘cuz i’m just not sure enough about any of that. things seem more uncertain (or at least more complicated than i thought they were last year. never in my wildest imagination could i have thought that the reid/pelosi congress would be more accomodating to the bush administration than the frist/hassert congress was.
blows my mind.
and i don’t think we really know what kind of president either clinton or obama would make.
i still want mccain to lose though… but i’m not going to give my allies a hard time about whether they support clinton or obama or neither.
Who I vote for doesn’t matter. I live in California, which will go for whichever Democrat is on the ticket.
That said, if McCain is SO bad (I agree!), and Hillary is just as good as Obama (I disagree!), then why is Hillary saying McCain is great and Obama is trash?
Sorry, I can’t go there. I am a parent. If anyone had said what McCain said about Chelsea — about my children — I would never speak to him again. But now he is so good, Bill says it will be hard for Hillary to speak negatively against him? Yes, yes, I know Bill isn’t running, but he IS a major campaigner for his wife. And if Obama’s campaign woman was fired today, why isn’t Bill?
Too late — if we were going to work HARD to get a DEMOCRAT into the White House, why not be for the DEMOCRAT — not Hillary? Why say they are both great candidates? And I don’t trust Hillary for much, after the past 3 weeks. I am serious — she COULD put another Alito in the SCOTUS — just to pander for a second term.
No. I really don’t think so.
If Clinton wins the nomination, the Democrats lose in November. In 3 weeks she has proven herself to be nothing more than a crass, craven and duplicitious politician who thinks she is entitled to the Democratic nomination. Her vote authorizing force in Iraq should have been the deal breaker. Everyone on liberal/progresssive blogs knew from the information that was available at the time that Bush’s rationale was bogus. She merely went along to give herself political cover. Not exactly a profile in courage. That she is now unwilling to say her vote was a mistake speaks volumes. We have been forced to live with a President who for the last 8 years has been unwilling or psychologically in capable of admitting a mistake. We don’t need more of the same from Hillary.
Excellent point, julia, beautifully made. Thank you, and I’ll be sending this to more than a few people I know.
Oh, Julie, what a beautiful post. Thoughtful, well researched, brilliantly laid out. Kudos!
I turned 13 in 1964 and I remember the Mississippi case well. Your conclusion brought it all back and now I’m kvelling.
Thank you.
“In 3 weeks she has proven herself to be nothing more than a crass, craven and duplicitious politician who thinks she is entitled to the Democratic nomination. Her vote authorizing force in Iraq should have been the deal breaker. Everyone on liberal/progresssive blogs knew from the information that was available at the time that Bush’s rationale was bogus. She merely went along to give herself political cover. Not exactly a profile in courage.”
I agree, and find it amazing Sen. Clinton has moved me to this camp in such a short time.
And for what? She’s not going to win the nomination, the math is just not there. The pledged delegates aren’t gonna move, and the supers are not gonna cause civil war within the party on her behalf.
So she trudges on, scorching more earth every day, driven by an out of control ego and sense of entitlement that will only serve to permanently damage their legacy within the party.
Very sad. And unnecessary.
OK. OK. I’ll vote for her.
Actually, I kind of knew I would get over my anger. For the SCOTUS and maybe some semblance of action on climate change. The fear of course would be that after all that would have to happen for her to get the nomination my vote won’t help much anyway. Luckily I do not see how she can win unless she can so undermine Obama that she wins big enough in PA, WV, FL, etc. to take the overall popular vote and gets within a few delegates. The tragedy is, but for a flip of 2% in the popular vote in Texas and this thing would probably be winding down now.
Great post. We do need to keep things in perspective, but I really do want something better than the absence of doom as a motivator for once. But, if that’s all you’ve got, that’s all you’ve got.
They may be gone, but they are not forgotten…
Words (and Music) by Frances Taylor and Pete Seeger
Those Three Are On My Mind.
I think of Andy in the cold wet clay
Those three are on my mind
With his comrades down beside him
On that brutal day
Those three are on my mind
There lays young James in his final pain
Those three are on my mind
So I ask the killers can you see those three again
Those three are on my mind
I see dark eyed Michael
With his dark eyed bride
Those three are on my mind
And three proud mothers
Weeping side by side
Those three are on my mind
But I’m grieving yet
And for some the sky is bright
I cannot give up hoping
For a morning light
So I ask the killers do you sleep at night
Those three are on my mind
I see tin roof shanties
Where my brothers live
Those three are on my mind
And the little burnt out churches
Where they sing we forgive
Those three are on my mind
I know of Tom paints water tree
I know the price of liberty
Now I ask the question that is deep inside of me
Did they also burn the courthouse
When they killed those three
Those three are on my mind
Those three are on my mind
Those three are on my mind
WHY does everyone keep saying she will choose correctly on SCOTUS? Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t Schumer (one of the “most liberal senators”! There have been at least 10 so far) select Alito? Or was it Roberts? Same scum.
It breaks my heart that still — to this day — most Americans have a memory about 1 year long.
And Bluetoe — you are correct. I can’t even stand to see Hillary on TV anymore. Her lies make my stomach turn. And who is SHE to say the Obama campaign did the correct thing to “make” the latest staffer resign? And all the while, saying Obama was like Ken Starr. Oh, but THAT’S different!
I swear to you — if Hillary is on the ticket, I will not vote. And don’t you dare say I am stupid, or childish. She herself says she is so much like McCain — and I have to agree. I will vote for neither McCain — the male or the female one.
And don’t insult my intelligence with the stupid, “The Democrats have two GREAT candidates! An embarrassment of riches!” line. That is a lie. I am not an Obama groupie. I was for Kusinich, and then Edwards. So, Obama is my 3rd choice. And my last choice.
Right.
Yours would have been a good point, if we could have confidence that Clinton would be a leader who is sensitive to race issues. Apparently, however, she is not, and I’ll be damned if I’ll support or vote for another thug politician, having just barely survived the CURRENT one (no matter WHO’s party they are in)! I had JUST resigned myself to vote for which ever dem gets to the generals. I did that at some point last week, and then one day later I saw this:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..447/468408
http://www.dailykos.com/commen…..021/51#c51
If it is Clinton on the ticket, I AM STAYING HOME. I have to LIVE with my votes for the rest of my life, and I can NOT live with voting for someone who would do such a despicable thing as noted in the above links.
I’d respectfully suggest you rethink that point, Julia.
Thank Goddess I found and read this entire post. Thank you Julia for laying it out and all commenters. I know this is late but needed to say it.
Nice catch, Kirk, another Hillary-hater hoist on his own petard.
I have been amazed for months at the number of Obama supporters whose virulent hatred for Clinton leads them to swear that for all kinds of self-justifying reasons, they will never vote for Clinton under any circumstances. (Clinton supporters don’t seem to have the same mindset; I suppose I may have missed some, but I personally have not seen any Clinton supporters whining that they will not support or vote for Obama if Clinton doesn’t get the nomination.) The most astonishing justification used by some is the claim that they don’t see any difference between the Democratic Clinton and Republican McCain, apparently even after reading this brilliant post from Julia. That is just irrational, fact-free Hillary hatred and paranoia. There’s probably no changing people like that, but the rest of those who are threatening to take their marbles and go home really need to get a grip on this and think about it much more intelligently.
For the record, like some of the previous commenters, my first choice was out long ago, and my second bit the dust a few weeks later, so, as far as I’m concerned, I’m not thrilled with either of the remaining Democrats. But Albatross @ 68 summed up my feelings about it perfectly:
“. . .if you don’t like Obama, and Hilary wins, don’t vote for Obama; or if you don’t like Hilary, and Obama wins, don’t vote for Hilary.
Instead, vote for these guys.
Vote for Roe v. Wade.
Vote for the Rule of Law.
Vote for four Supreme Court justices.
Vote for U.S. withdrawal from Iraq.
Vote for de-politicizing the Justice Department.
Vote for pragmatism.
Vote for America.
Don’t vote for the person who wins the nomination. Vote for what you will lose if McCain takes charge.”
To that list, I would add one more: Vote for a Democratic Congress to be able to pass the laws they believe are right for the country without interference from the White House before the fact or having those laws vetoed or gutted by “signing statements” after the fact.
Neither Obama nor Clinton is a perfect candidate and neither will be a perfect progressive President. But either one of them will be immeasurably better than McCain. Anybody who refuses to acknowledge that is either a troll, a Republican, or a damn fool.
Don’t forget that while the search for these 3 was going on in Mississippi, the bodies of a fairly large number of unknown Black men turned up. In the woods, in the rivers – martyers all.