Jane!

I got the Zed!

Oh, now maybe it’s ok to talk about the “endless” primary huh?

I got nothin’.

now, can you resist the straight line?

hahahahahahahah,i was thinking Fred…same age yaknow

How freaking lame. Not only does he lack the cajones to back his party’s nominee, but when at long-last he summons the “courage” to do so, he does it through a spokesman. Not himself, someone else. And not even a direct quote from the spokesman, just a pair of paraphrased statements.

A true diehard fan…! *g*

the zed is dead

Somebody has something.

i got plenty of nuttin

Heh, you wish…! 8-P

“I’m comin’ Elizabeth” *g*

OTTAWA (AFP) — US presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton’s campaign, while rapping rival Barack Obama for telling US voters he is anti-NAFTA and saying otherwise to Canada, tried to reassure Canada too, local media said Thursday.

A top aide of Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper meanwhile was identified as the likely source of an alleged leak that provoked a diplomatic fiasco involving both US Democratic presidential contenders.

Last month, Harper’s chief of staff, Ian Brodie, purportedly made impromptu remarks to journalists about Clinton’s US presidential bid, said Canadian reports.

hahahahahahahahaha

“How’s you like one of these ‘cross yo lip:?

“Ask yo momma what it is”?

And nuttin’s plenty for me…

KO is really bearing down on the Clinton-talked-to-Canada-about-NAFTA story.

‘Lizza-beth, I’m a’coming…!’

In this house we are becoming increasingly distressed with the Clinton campaign.

Keith: “I can’t follow the Clinton campaign anymore”

Yeah I tried to find one with that but the photo of him looking up to heaven was the best.

*sigh* this whole thing is just shitty (sorry for the language) but between comparing folks to Ken Star, McStain huggin, etc.

Is Kiddo now a style?

;)

deservedly so.

I agree *g*

If today’s report is true, that it was the *Clinton* campaign that initiated NAFTA conversations with Canada, then this week’s accusations from the HRC camp that it was Obama that did it become foul-smelling indeed.

The HRC “brain”-trust seems brain-dead.

Don’t apologize to me, fuck this shit!

I hope that progressives that support HRC for understandable feminist reasons will begin to see the right-wing limb she is climbing out on and her Liebermanness/Huckabeeness. Her scorched earth policy is just beginning to unfold.

Yep — and with good reason. He manages to get his point across without flinging poo. I’ve been studying for a while now, and apparently it shows!

*g* Old habit to apologize for cursing

Don’t go wobbly on us…! *g*

When I first read Marion’s comment I looked up at the top expecting to see “kiddo” there.

ironically that is what repukes give us anyway”g”

Thought the same thing.

LOL Jane!

KO is certainly smokin’ tonight…

It’s heartening to see, right there on my own teevee, someone – anyone – who seems to be at least close to being as pissed off as I am.

I seem to have learned to tolerate it… 320 days… AND COUNTING!

Fred had a short fuse too just like McCain.

In this house we will support the nominee of the Democratic Party with its Supreme Court ramifications.

But the HRC camp is making us increasingly distressed about the long term effects on the progressive movement.

(With H/T to Kiddo for the style)

And lettin’it rip…! 8-)

all of us hanging by fingernails

Yea but doesn’t it prove just how “tough” she is? If she’ll do anything, sell out anything to win then we can trust her to smoke the first jihadi that raises it’s head when she takes over.

He is on top of all the stories. I had to turn Tweety off. He as spitting with glee.

Gov. Mark Sanford has FINALLY endorsed Republican presidential nominee John McCain. A full two days after McCain locked up the party’s nomination.
http://www.palmettoscoop.com/2…..es-mccain/

Hey Mark you Dummy! Fred J Sanford the real SANFORD is voting for Obama you and McCain should roll your faces in Cookie Dough and make some Gorilla Cookies.
Aunt Esther Ya! you GOP Heathens!

Fred had redeeming qualities….McVain…ehh not so much

In this house we will do the same. There is one candidate we prefer over the other, but we will vote for the Democrat. Whoever that may be.

LMAO! That’s exactly how McCain will react to anyone looking at him wrong.

I think we should be his Esther. LOL

Why would she endorse McCain? You tell me…does she hate Obama so much that it will be anybody but Obama.

hahahahahahahahahaha
thank you,for very fond memories

So are Obama and Hilary both lying to us about NAFTA then?

Fred had a better left.

He does. Watching him during my childhood made for many laughs.

Apparently

And a good right cross with a ring on it. Ouch! LOL

How do you figure that?

Things are warming up:

Ms Power told The Scotsman Mrs Clinton was stopping at nothing to try to seize the lead from Mr Obama.

“We f***** up in Ohio,” she admitted. “In Ohio, they are obsessed and Hillary is going to town on it, because she knows Ohio’s the only place they can win.

“She is a monster, too – that is off the record – she is stooping to anything,” Ms Power said, hastily trying to withdraw her remark.

“Interestingly, the people in her innermost circle seem to not mind her; I think they really love her.”

Ms Power was head-hunted by Barack Obama to become his foreign-policy adviser in 2005 and combines this role with her job as a Time magazine columnist and professor of practice of global leadership and public policy at Harvard.

link

In this household, we will…

wait a minute, it’s just me. Oh well, there is the fact that I do tend to talk to myself – so….

In this household, *we* think…..

(”You’re Never Alone With a Schizophrenic”)
h/t Ian Hunter

First she channels kiddo, and now Norske!

She may be trying to prove her claim that she will be “ready on Day One” to be commander-in-chief.

Unfortunately, however, as her commander-in-chief role model, she appears to have chosen Chimpy McFlightsuit.

great show!

Sounds like Holy Joe LIEberman. Two peas in a pod.

I still think that her meeting with Ned and “loaning” him some of her campaign advisors was designed to sandbag him. And Bill sealed the deal.

Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956).

Kiddo has taken over Marion’s body and mind.

She is setting herself up for 2012. She cares about nothing but her own ambition. All of it has been rationalized I’m sure. She deserves it and no one else does. She wants to cripple Obama while she still can.

hahahahahahahahahaha
u killin me

Ever see Altman’s Three Women?

I’m a multi-channeler!

I got nothin’ to say to this. Nothing’

It is Bill and Hill’s party and no one else gets to play with it.

Use guys are the greatest!

Has Hillary decided that she does not need the African-American vote? Sounds like it.

No, but I like Altman a whole lot.

broken record…in more ways than one…*g*

Three Women Ebert

And so I descend once more into the mysterious depths of “3 Women,” a film that was imagined in a dream. Robert Altman’s 1977 masterpiece tells the story of three women whose identities blur, shift and merge until finally, in an enigmatic last scene, they have formed a family, or perhaps have become one person.

They will ruin it before letting anyone else have it.

Not. Good.

AZ Matt, I was curious as to whether you are in Trent Franks district, and if you are, did you get a call from him last night? He did a conference call. I wanted to hear what he had to say, and more importantly, I wanted to ask about warrantless wiretaps. Of course, his theory is that the only wiretaps that were warrantless were to persons overseas, to “foreign terrorists.”

and may i say that Roland foods make Hoisin Sauce very,very good $1..50

I said this in the last thread. Thanks for doing it again

Where you been, jet laggin?

right next to the dog tags, eh?

Obama is David and Hill, Goliath. How can a skinny black guy have the nerve to go against the Machine. And win.
This is new stuff for politics. This is a ground up campaign… 55 million last month from folks like me that gave $25. We own it!

Mississippi will answer that question resoundingly.

Roger that! And the little buddah.

i have…

she’s praising McCain over Obama because she’s scared shitless of Obama.

Never mind that, should she ever be in the general against McCain, all these statements will bite her in the ass so hard that there may not be any left.

The Clinton campaign seems incapable of thinking more than 5 minutes ahead.

Seeing everyone else’s rage is calming me down. :)

it tastes good on EVERYTHING

God, but it’s refreshing to talk with people who know what end is up. I actually had to explain to a doctor I work with, speaking slowly in words of one syllable, why a flat tax is regressive. It took 3 examples, but I think I finally got the idea across… [banging head against wall]

Did you catch my flower’s caper?

yep, and tryin’ to write a book report…right Jane?…*g*

no,nonono…….bang his head against the walll…muchhhhhhh bettah

The Canadian Government claims that both Obama and Hilary told them not to worry about their pledge on a TV debate to renegotiate NAFTA and add some labor and environmental provisions.
The Obama and Hilary campaign morons seem unaware that Canada now has a conservative government that would like to see McCain elected.
Expecting Canada not to talk was an amateur move.

Uh-oh, I think I’m pegged as an agent provocateur, Oceanic cable asked me about two specific days of a possible viral attack emanating from my ‘puter… Dang, They’re on to me…! ;-)

I don’t get any of it…maybe she thinks that whatever Ohio wants the country gets.

I am in his district but got no call from him. He doesn’t really come around the Hopi Rez.

Wow! they are giving to Obama like crazy over on Kos because of Keith’s show.

Why do you believe Canada’s conservative operatives? I don’t.

Canada would like nothing better than to see 100 years of war McCain elected because Canada’s oil sands only make money if oil prices are high.

Hill always underestimates the blogsphere

Seems to me someone up there is not telling the whole truth.

We believe Senator Obama has class, is inspirational, and cares about himself being liked. We think this man has the potential to uplift us from the last almost eight years of intellectual and compassion drought. Obama has an aurora of warmth about him. We think Obama cares about the rule of law, justice and fairness. We are sure he cares. About us. About everyone.

Huh?

Hell, she underestimates the intelligence of average Democratic party voters, at least over the long term.

I reading a major reaming of Hil over there, is that what you mean?

Has the Clinton campaign begun to lower expectations about Mississippi yet? What excuse will “the first Black First Lady” have if she loses there?

We think Obama speaks to us.

Pretty soon American drivers won’t be able to afford to work. Nice goin’ Neocons. That is pissing off American driver/workers. People don’t like losing their homes and their jobs. America is experiencing a rude awakening and its gonna get worse.

Cause if they were flat out lying then why haven’t Hilary and Obama said so! Honestly I want them both to denounce this story cause if its true a lot of Dems might stay home.
After all if our candidates are willing to lie about NAFTA then they might lie about ending the war and giving us healthcare.

Is this a poo-flinging thread?

I have spent two days this week trying to explain to lawyers why our AR Dem senator Mark Pryors vote on MCA against Habeas Corpus and pro torture is totally forked up.

I think we need a Haley Barbour alert. Hope Dr. Dean has the polls covered.

Is Kiddo now a style?

;)

LOL

When they figure out that it was the plan all the time…they will be really pissed….

Lahoma and I resent 3:00 AM-ism.

Haven’t you heard, it’s another state that doesn’t rally matter. Like Indiana and North Carolina. :)

And you thought they really wanted to end the war and give us health care? Surely you jest.

The supposed “leaks” coming from up north are from conservatives in the Canadian government. Since I’m sure they’re on the phone with Rove every day, I don’t believe anything they say, whether it’s about Clinton or Obama.

I read recently (at The General’s) that St. McCain has human rights issues. Is any of this exaggerated? If it’s true this is a club we can beat him with.

When is America gonna realize that their troubles right now are caused by Bushco, and McBushco means more of the same. When???

that’s really a sad commentary. Are they graduates of Regent Law School?

Hey you guys. I may be wrong lots of times. But I do it with style. ;0)

I also do not believe any of this hoohah. Circles within circles – American politics.

That hasn’t been forgotten.

OT- Barack Obama released a statement condemning the attack in Jerusalem today, but did not mention the 100+ Gazans killed in the past week. It reeks on pandering. I thought it was interesting in the comments that many Obama supporters are calling him out on this. I agree he is better on Israel/Palestine than HRC but its nice to see people holding their politicians accountable.

http://my.barackobama.com/page…..sen/gGB3dF

KO had a body language expert as a worse person today because they doubted Hilary could drink beer left handed if she is a righty. My right holds my smoke my left my beer now then how do you get a job as a body language expert for the media?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..009/470873

no this

Yea, OK, so what’s the point? Clinton took advantage of it.

Arrgh I’m such a trusting person:)

The Obama campaign has denied it. Clinton may have as well, but I haven’t seen it yet.

I’m sorry, I see almost nothing but negatives about Clinton.

Cool now we just need Hilary to deny it

Whoever is elected, this November, if that person doesn’t do the job, it is felt they will be a ‘one-termer’.

I seriously doubt it.. I rather think they AR die hard DLC FOB’s (friends of Bill’s) and old school Dem Pryor family supporters. *sigh*

Yes, that was another low mark of the Clinton campaign.

Yes, The Hillary campaign flatly denies the Cannuck story and challenges anyone to name a source for it.

He’ll probably have plenty of chances, somehow I don’t think the “cycle” of violence is quite done yet.

Kiddo,

Go catch some catfish.

Maybe make a place for those who seek refuge after the apocalypse.

Kos seems on the verge of an official Obama endorsement.

Look. The Clintons always pretend to be yer bestest friend when they are getting ready to skew you. That is what the McCain stuff is about. It was Bill who did the set-up on McCain…HRC loves McCain….then it was HRC who said how honored she was to be campaigning against Obama…then kablambo. There will be a McCain kablambo moment…when the time is ripe, and he won’t see it coming…Just saying…that is what they do.

Well, there is his flip-flop on torture…

John McCain supports torture by the United States of America

Kiddo, earlier in the thread I tried to channel you, apparently with some success. It was an honor to have that recognized. Hope you don’t object! ((((Kiddo and Lahoma)))

I think Jimmy invented the style. :)

Jerry: You said, “George likes spicy chicken.”

George: No I didn’t.

Elaine: Yes, you did. You said, “George likes spicy chicken.”

Jerry: You’re turning into Jimmy.

George: George is getting upset!

…but its nice to see people holding their politicians accountable.

Now, is the time to do so…!

Good cause if either of our Presidential Candidates were going backwards on NAFTA that could have wrecked the voters trust in us.

That’s really sad.

Even MyDD seems to be getting a bit of a stomach virus.

OT for all you NYC firepups:

A Town Hall Meeting:

“Is Impeachment Necessary to Protect The Constitution?”
Sunday, March 9th, 4 P.M. to 6 P.M.
Judson Memorial Church
55 Washington Square South, NYC.

Speakers include:

Bruce Fein – constitutional scholar, former associate deputy Attorney General, & Chairman of the American Freedom Agenda

Elizabeth Holtzman – former member of Congress & co-author of The Impeachment of George W. Bush: A Practical Guide for Concerned Citizens

Scott Horton – contributor to Harper’s Magazine, adjunct professor at Columbia Law School, & member of the board of the National Institute of Military Justice and the Council on Foreign Relations Invited Speaker:

Representative Jerrold Nadler – member of Congress & Chair of the Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights and Civil Liberties

Special Guest: John Nirenberg – former professor, college dean, author, & “March in My Name” impeachment activist

This is a true town hall meeting, so you will be able to question the speakers on the topic of impeachment.

This is systematically screwing Native Americans in his back yard. That sucks in ways I don’t have the language to describe.

What do you expect on a fundraising thread for Obama

Now, is the time to do so…!

“Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party.” A typing exercise from my youth…

I was sure surprised when I got the call!

More like a vent thread

I got nothin’ to say to this. Nothing’

and i got nothin’ to add. zip.

OK’ I don’t understand what this means?

Wow! they are giving to Obama like crazy over on Kos because of Keith’s show.
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Why do you believe Canada’s conservative operatives? I don’t.

Ron…I think you are right on this point. I the course of a long conversation about Trade and other issues either, or both, campaigns probably reiterated the same points they have made in the debates. Neither has said that they were going to throw out NAFTA, both have said that they would press to renegotiate the environmental and labor protections to strengthen them. That may have been written down by a Harper crony as saying it was all “public show”.

Obama has been saying that NAFTA is “flawed” for years…Hillary has more recently. But both are talking about revisions…not throwing it all out.

Wait wait, you mean “donating to”! I get it, I kept thinking you were saying they were jumping ugly on Barak.

Just a wee bit into comments, so the conversation may have veered away, but I’m hearing more and more people out in the “real” world muttering about the Hillary tactics as the desperation factor seems to be building. If ya can’t win an honest race, trip the other guy seems to be her current tactic.

Turning people off.

Would be interesting if there were any polling on her “likability factor” or a comparable yardstick as the negativity tactics increase.

As I noted at my place, it’s not “on me” whether or not Hillary wins, it’s on her.

Tis said, that discretion is the better part of valor…

‘Kiddo’, as a philosophy, may well become a great political force and possibly the major ‘wing’ of the Democratic Party. Let hope soar!!

(*_-) Winkin’ at ya!

Hmmm! They kept their mouths shut for a month regarding Clinton. Obama…they hit right away…just before the Ohio Primary. And it’s not absolutely clear, since it’s not a verbatim transcript what Goolsby actually assured them about NAFTA. If it was that Obama wanted to negotiate tougher standards for environment and labor WITHIN the treaty…that’s precisely what his public statements already were.

No secret there. But the memo didn’t specifically say what Goolsby said…other than “assurances” about NAFTA.

Conveniently leaked by Harper’s staff just before Ohio…which is ripe for disturbance and essential for a Hillary win.

Now the Clinton material has leaked out. If THAT had leaked before Ohio it would certainly have damaged her campaign there. But they were able to keep that little secret for a month. How odd?

quite

I am really, really tired of the s.o.s. from all of the pols on this subject…

I plan on holding the Dem winner Accountable from Day One, cause yesterday and today did not work.

There’s always tomorrow…

oh, and lucky NYC Helen @ 146!

Her campaign has denied it both times it came out.

March 6 (Bloomberg) — The chief of staff to Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said that an official from Senator Hillary Clinton’s campaign told the Canadian embassy in Washington to take her criticism of the North American Free Trade Agreement with a “grain of salt,” the Canadian Press reported.

Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said the campaign “did not sanction nor would we ever sanction anyone to say such a thing.”

“We flatly deny the report,” Singer said. “We give the Canadian government blanket immunity to reveal the name of anyone they think they’ve heard from.” ”

Hmmm! I thought that blanket-immunity was something that only the source itself could offer…not the campaign. I’d like to see the release forms that the Clinton campaign makes people sign!

“I swear that the Clinton campaign may reveal me as the source in any statements I may make to the press. I am not under any duress when I sign this. I swear!”

Ian Brodie, chief of staff to Harper, told reporters on Feb. 26 that a Clinton campaign official told the embassy staff “not to worry” about her calls to renegotiate the trade agreement, the Canadian Press said, citing a person who heard the remarks and wasn’t identified by name.

Clinton has accused rival Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama of misleading voters about his views on trade, after a leaked Canadian government memo indicated someone from his campaign had told Canadian officials the candidate’s promise to re-open Nafta was “political positioning.”

Harper, who on March 4 denied Brodie was the source of the leaked [memo about Obama], said the circulation of the memo was “unacceptable” and that an internal investigation is under way.

Canada’s CTV television network on Feb. 27 first reported Clinton campaign aides may have told Canadian officials to downplay her NAFTA comments. Clinton’s campaign denied the story at the time.

If Brodie is spreading such false assertions about Clinton, then why would we believe them about Obama? Instead of attacking Obama for making such statements to the Canadians, knowing that her own campaign had been hit with such “false” accusations by the Canadian government…shouldn’t the proper thing to do have been to point out that anything coming out of the Conservative Government in Ottawa was HIGHLY SUSPECT? That would have been the ETHICAL thing to do. Instead she allowed the assertions to spread like wildfire and allowed her own campaign to assist in spreading them.

IOW…she allowed what may have been likely to be a CONSERVATIVE smear (perhaps originating from Washington…or a fellow in retirement in Texas) to putrify because it happened to help her.

When the truckers of this country pull off to the side of the road in protest, that could be the day we see some action in White House to attack the residence(s) of the Saudi Royals. See?

Sorry, but I don’t exactly see the comparison between a memo, whose author is identified, referencing a meeting, that did take place, with an Obama campaign official who is named, and a report that an unnamed Clinton staffer met with an unnamed Canadina official. I can’t say for sure the Clinton meeting didn’t happen, of course, but I think it’s a bit disingenuous for Obama supporters to be crowing that ”it turns out both sides did it.” Not to mention the fact that the Obama campaign lied and said the meeting never happened.

I recall when the Somali picture appeared on Drudge, there were demands that the Clinton campaign immediately deny that they had anything to do with it, and every minute that ticked by was further proof of their complicity. All the Obama campaign had to do was check with one guy, and Obama tries to mealy mouth with ”That’s the information we had at the time.” A bit of a double standard, no?

I’m still waiting for any confirmation of the Clinton meeting beyond ”some guy told another guy” reports.

That is my read too. she is trying for two things at once — the 2008 nomination, or failing that the election of the one opponent still in the race certain to serve one term at the most. If Obama is nominated, she prefers McCain and in effect endorsed him. If McCain wins, she gets to run in 2012 saying that the Democrats made a mistake. I think that this is overweaning ambition, but it might also be ideological preference.

I should also say that until she said this, I was OK with her as a candidate though she wasn’t my preference. It really is too much and all I can do is hope against hope that she is not the candidate and that she does not destroy the person who is. That was a truly, truly appalling thing to say.

The oil sands are profitble at about $30-40 per barrel. We don’t need a hundred years of war to keep prices well above that level. A whole lot of Canadians want to stop the expansion of the tar sands which are trashing the environment.

Most Canadians hate Bush with a passion and McBush would not be much more popular. McCain is beloved by Harper and his small pack of neo-cons, but about 64% of Canadians vote against them in their goodd years (but the vote is split) and even most Canadian Conservatives are not so warlike as McCain.

Isn’t that a Rove/Cheney tactic? Accuse the other side of doing something that you’ve already done. I do believe I read that here, and have seen it echoed elsewhere on the intertubez.

Is it really true that around 1/2 of the progressive blogosphere is going to let this stuff go, continue to support her, make excuses or ignore it?

What about this are people not getting?????? We’ve seen this before! 7 and a half years ago and 3 and a half years ago. Same tactics.
Only THIS time it’s a dem doing it to another dem, which is about the only way it could be worse!

And she’s getting away with it, it would seem to be working, while promising everyone that she’ll “change the Washington is run”. what’s wrong with this picture????? I thought we were all on the same side, that we wanted a real change and that we wouldn’t be fooled again or buy into the right wing bs. But because it’s coming from a Dem, and the Dem is HRC, it’s somehow UNRECOGNIZABLE?