Bloomberg has an intriguing theory regarding the split in votes between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in the OH and TX primaries -- let's call it "the Archie Bunker divide."
The white, blue-collar voters personified by the 1970s fictional television character cost Obama yesterday. His Democratic presidential rival, Senator Hillary Clinton of New York, beat him 54 percent to 44 percent in industrial Ohio, and 58 percent to 40 percent in heavily Catholic Rhode Island.
In Ohio's 10th district of Cuyahoga County, a suburban enclave on Cleveland's west side that includes a large population of Polish-Americans, Clinton trounced Obama 61 percent to 37 percent, according to exit polls. In the state's Belmont County, an economically depressed Appalachian border area that is predominantly white, she had a 50-point lead over Obama, the first black candidate to have a shot at the White House.
"Race played a significant factor in Ohio,'' said Cuyahoga County Commissioner Timothy Hagan, who supported Obama. "These people are not necessarily bigots, but the image they see every day of black America is drugs, crime, guns and violence.''....
The challenges he faces with these groups are evident in his hometown of Chicago, where voters know him and he is popular. Still, he faces resistance in working-class, white ethnic neighborhoods.
``I can't support him,'' said Richard Dorsch, a 53-year-old paramedic fire chief from Chicago's Edison Park. Dorsch, who said his kids liken him to Archie Bunker, voted for Clinton in the primary, though he plans to support Republican Senator John McCain of Arizona if Obama wins the nomination.
``When he talks to you, it's like he's talking down to you,'' Dorsch said. ``He doesn't have the experience to talk like that.''
Dorsch's 41st Ward, which gave Clinton, 60, a six- percentage-point advantage, is 90 percent white, dominated by German, Polish and Irish ethnic police officers, teachers and city workers.
Living as I do in the hills of WV, I have heard this sort of talk from a lot of folks -- both about not feeling comfortable casting a vote for Obama or for Clinton, on race or gender grounds. But it isn't limited to the Archie Bunkers of the world, because there are a whole lot of Ediths in the racial and gender discrimination closet as well. You can see from the "These people are not necessarily bigots, but the image they see every day of black America is drugs, crime, guns and violence.'' that a lot more discussion and education on this is sorely needed. (No siree, no bigotry there. Sheesh.)
Pam Spaulding, who has been writing about this issue quite a bit this election cycle, provides a perfect example of an "Archie Bunker" that isn't reachable. But he is illustrative of the sort of education and bigotry issues we will all face as we head toward November, whether Clinton or Obama is our nominee.
Where people have researched the candidates and can have a broader discussion about specifics, the gender and color questions fade in light of particular pet issues. At least, that's proved true when I've talked about this with folks here. But I always get the feeling that, for a lot of them, there is still a bit of a comfort question and that the person who looks like a traditional presidential choice for them is...McCain.
No matter who the Dem nominee may be, we are going to have a lot of work to do.
Both Democratic candidates ought to stop flinging poo at each other via the surrogate blather networks, and start thinking about building up their own images instead. If these traditional blue collar democratic-leaning voters don't have a solid feel for what the Democratic presidential nominee stands for, how hard the candidate is willing to fight to solve their problems, for the things that matter to their families, for the kitchen table worries and the fear of job loss and health problems and no insurance and rising energy costs and on and on that are hitting Americans square in the gut? Then the Archie Bunker problem is going to be a whole lot bigger than just this one segment of the electorate.
People want change. Absolutely. But they need to know what "change" means for them -- what are we changing to? What are the goals toward which we all ought to work together? How do we get there? And how do we make it crystal clear that a vote for McCain is a vote for even more Bush/Cheney purgatory for all of us?
These issues are going to cut across voter groups larger than just the Archie Bunker segment of the population. And they need to be hit now...not later.
It doesn't help that the racial and gender tensions of the Archie Bunkers of the world keep getting egged on and exacerbated by foot-in-mouth surrogates with both campaigns. Here's an idea -- how about we all start trying to lift one another upward and talk about the things we ought to be doing instead of just lobbing pies and insults back and forth? Both campaigns could start by taking a peek at this article from Kavita Ramdas in The Nation, and adding their voices to the conversation. It sure would be a helluva lot more constructive than "neener, neener, neener" or any number of other stupid things that have come oozing out lately.
Ah, well, a girl can dream...
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hi christy
You’re an optimist, Christie. So am I, but I’m not holding my breath waiting for any candidate’s campaign to start acting logically.
Doesn’t much surprise concerning the overcoming race attitudes.
“…drugs, crime, guns and violence.”
I thought he was describing U.S. policy in Iraq and Afghanistan.
No surprises here, wish there were.
It’s sad that these attitudes still exist.
He’s not talking down to you, he’s talking TO you. It shouldn’t freak anyone out to have a discussion with a smart, black man.
Sorry, nothing constructive to add. I’m frustrated with this election and need to turn off the tv.
Ya know, to be honest, if you’re a white man in this country and you’re still not prepared to vote for either a black man or a woman, you’re a certifiable idiot, nutjob and an asshole who doesn’t deserve what this nation offers, so get the hell out of my country.
How the fuck do you get “prepared” to vote for anyone? Are these exemplars of white male virtue putting themselves through horrendous torture to better prepare to vote for McCain? Are they making shady deals with big money donors? Are they gleefully accepting the endorsements of crackpot preachers? Really, what the fuck are they doing to “prepare”?
The economy will be the good news/bad news joke for the Democrats. The bad news is that the economy will be much worse: the good news is that the bad news will favor the Democratic candidate.
Open racism is generally unacceptable now (unlike when I grew up) but will show itself with the “acceptable” “anti-Muslim speak.” MSM shows that misogyny is still very “acceptable”. I suspect that among people who would consider voting for a Democratic party candidate, misogyny is probably more of a factor. It was much different when the racists were Democrats..thank you LBJ.
The one good thing about getting this “Archie Bunker problem” out in the open now is that I’m much happier confronting it during a year when the Republican candidate wants to privatize Social Security and stay in Iraq for 100 years.
Come November, anyone who is running against McBush gets my vote. In the meantime, I’m an interested observor. I already voted in the primary (for Edwards) and I guess the convention will decide who I vote for next. I am at peace with that.
I agree..
Hey Christy!
McCain “looks like a traditional presidential choice” because he is. He’s a White Male and that’s what all the viable Presidential choices have been in this country since 1788 or so.
People are seeing history of a new sort and they don’t know how to respond.
Perhaps with a little more effort my party, the Democratic Party, can help elect John McCain. I’m disgusted.
Racism is alive, doing quite well, and confined all over the place.
Nice ta see McBush giving President Clusterfuck a public blowjob yesterday….seemed a little hesitant though- as if he hadn’t brought mouthwash.
Democrats need to inspire and register many, many more currently disenfranchised voters for this election: the young; single women; people of color; working folks. We must expand the electorate and give the voiceless a vote for change.
It’s the only way to overcome the latent, unspoken bigotry and sexism that’s ingrained in too many Americans. They, unfortunately, will have to see a successful woman or black President before they will believe it possible. It’s up to us to make that happen before their eyes, and against difficult but surmountable odds.
So let’s stop listening to the verbal jabs at our own candidates and demand they both show us their best GOTV and anti-McCain campaign, starting today~!
Obama and Clinton, let’s see your general election campaign right now. Show us what you’ve got against St John — we’ll sure help, here in the blogosphere, but you need to craft and hone your anti-McCain messages and speeches starting right now.
Show us how you’ll defeat him, and let the remaining Democratic voters pick the candidate who does that the best. We don’t need to see any more criticism of one of you by the other. That we understand, and really don’t like. Give us your best shot against Bush/McCain.
Whatcha got?
And it is true with all cultures. The “genius” of Lee Atwater and later Karl Rove was to have a political message that “pushed” those buttons and induced people to vote against their self interest. That worked out real well for the Reagan Democrats in the Upper mid-West.
I was not at peace on Tuesday night. Was a bit surprised because I’d decided to support Clinton if she is the nominee, in spite of her connections to Wall and K Streets, and in spite of Penn and Wolfson. For the first time, on Tuesday night my gut was flip-flopping. So I don’t know now what I’m going to do.
Just ask your white pals (liberals or not) (Republicans or Democrats) if they would be comfortable with their kids marrying a person of color.
hi christy
I’ve said from the start, if we were to give the republicans a chance it would be by mobilizing their base, we are doing just that by fielding candidates that they hate
if there were ever an election we might have a women or a black man elected to office, this is the one
but man, what we are risking is the very existance of this country if we fail
ah me, so torn
Things like this remind me of the “hard hats” for Nixon many years ago.
You and me both, brother
The only way that goopers win big out of the ongoing dem primary is if dems turn the primary in Armagendon as if one of the candidates was the annointed saint and the other the devil incarnate…Sadly- this is happening.
I hear more than a few of my local Democratic women friends telling me they don’t think that the country is ‘quite ready’ for a lady president. Blows me out.
I keep reading the candidates position statements- and other than a relatively minor disagreement about health care- THEY ARE THE SAME. There is no rational reason to expect a signficantly different govt. out of either of em.
“You’ve come a long way baby”. This head up the ass, I’m proud to be an ‘meracan stupidity elected Bush and may elect McBush. As a nation I guess we get what we sow: Bigoted, under educated, reactionary electorate and increasingly arrogant and corrupt politicians.
I want a President, not a Commander In Chief. I would be much happier if Clinton and Obama would try to out “President” each other instead of the phony ‘red phone’ business.
and my father is absolutely convinced american will not vote for a black man
Amen Christy,
Inspiration (aspirational) politics.
Unfortunately it doesnt sell newspapers or retain eyeballs.
I’m so despirited watching the Dems from both camps (including my own mother for cripes sake) act like this. I’ve never seen anything like it, and pray it doesnt kill our chances.
Regardless of the rather tasteless “3 AM ad”, we will vote, in this house, for the Democratic nominee. To rid ourselves of the Republicans and to defeat McCain remain our primary objectives. And of course we feel the Dems will bring much needed relief to the nation and the world.
The old “Edith, stifle yourself” is alive and well. Makes me sick. Here we are in 2008 and people still think it’s okay to be against an AA and a woman. Please, could we just grow up.
Bloomberg has a theory … Yeah, right!
Like Bloomers doesn’t have a dog in this hunt.
Any real or imagined differences between Hillary and Obama are trivial compared to the disaster that four years of a McCain Presidency would be for this country. I am 64 years old and I never though that I would live to see what the Republican Party has done to this country. I thought Edwards probably had the best message to win in ‘08 mostly because the economy would be in obvious trouble by Nov. But as Russ Feingold pointed out,
Edwards was not a paragon of Progressivism either. IMO, most of the “my candidate is great, yours is shit” is projection by the supporter and is not based on reality.
This divide is the reason the northern cities burned in the mid 60’s.
The Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act had no effect in the north,
where working class, blue and white collar, and mostly Catholic voters
walked away from the Democratic Party… there was no reconstruction
in the north, racism was supposedly a southern problem. Listen to the
racist under/overtone of the Tweety set, the Murdoch crowd, and talk
radio banzai types… it is mostly race most of the time and the Republicans built a political party on it and no one has called them out on
it to any extent… they are the establishment now… that is what most of
the buzz about “liberal judges” and “law and order” is… race code…
mandatory minimums, three strikes, no knock searches, profiling all brought
to you by that nice white peoples party the Republicans. This country has
already disgraced itself abroad, watch it disgrace itself at home this fall.
Obama has run one of the most positive and issues-oriented campaigns I can ever remember seeing at this level. He has been the whole time. Responding strongly to Wolfson, Penn, Clinton attacks that often have no basis in fact does not count a poo-flinging IMO.
We’ve all spent years bemoaning dirty politics, and when we have a candidate at this stage who is actually doing things differently, so many around here are still lumping them all together as “they all suck” or “I sick of them all..” etc.
Obama is clearly living and breathing a new era of politics that most of us have said we wanted.
Obama is half white as probably most of us know. I wonder how, if at all, this fact figures into things?
I’ll be glad for a moderate this time around over Insane McCain. He’s already tied to Bush, now’s the time to throw the book at BushCo so voter will see the real choice.
My lady and I are hoping Obama becomes the next president.
I fear that this election, at the Presidential level, will NOT be about the issues. My sense is that, relatively speaking, few people care about issues when voting for President.
No, this election is all about symbolism-the President as figurehead-who’s gonna make us feel better about ourselves, an old white guy, a handsome black man, or a competent professional woman? I just don’t know. I think unforeseen events between now and November will determine most people’s final decision.
I am sure it helps kiddo, I am also hoping he has energized more new voters then his race will alienate
that looks like it could be the case
It bothers the bigots a lot.
Interesting isn’t it. Or ask Hindu Indian or a Japanese or a whatever. My great niece is Afro-Euro and has interesting perspectives on the subject.
Ding.
When you are half white, and 1/2 yellow, brown, black or red, life can be sometimes particularly tough. In this house we admire Senator Obama.
Sadly, I think the bad economy brings out the worst in people. Too much competition for the few jobs that are left. It will take optimism and hope, for sure, but it will also take putting this recession totally in the hands of republicans — outsourcing, privatizing (more outsourcing) and the rich not paying their fair share.
Obama is the antidote to the poison. The young voters are really serious
about this, the only solution is an electoral tsunami to flush the
Congress of the remnants of Goldwater/Reagan/Bush racism. I hope we can
stick together long enough to gives this once in a lifetime opportunity
a chance, the Republican game is bankrupt, we have to kick their ass now.
It is very exciting to see young people so excited about a candidate.
A new New Deal for starters, help across the board for the victims of the
destruction of the economy in the name of investment banking. There
must be a modified capitalist model that can be more fair and restore
public confidence so that race cannot be blamed for the shortage of jobs.
First off most of these types left for the repugs long ago. The guy above only voted for Sen. Clinton to stop Sen. Obama in the first place.
No way significant numbers of people like that are voting for HRC in the fall.
Which brings me to this nonsense of open primaries. It may not violate the law, but it sure violates the spirit of what voting is about.
Rush’s knuckleheads skewed the results in Ohio. Sen. Clinton probably would’ve won anyway, but it would’ve been much closer.
Wingjob radio was ordering their minions to vote for her to stop his momentum. And it says much about her campaign’s level of desperation that Bill Clinton would court this nonsense by going on his show, whether he was there or not.
If a white person told me they were voting for Clinton because she is white, I would consider that reprehensible and call them out on it.
Somewhat illogically, if a blck person told me they were voting for Obama because he is black, I would let it pass.
So, I would go after Archie Bunker, but would give George Jefferson a pass. Sometimes, I confuse myself.
A small fragment of a poem that my 15 yo g. niece wrote for Black History month..that speaks to that..
That is what gets me about Big Dog, the Clinton haters in Arkansas were
the Faubus democrats who Little Rock 1957 made famous. Ambition must be
the culprit.
In Alaska we have Diane Benson, a half-Tlingit/half-Norwegian woman who took on an addled white male GOP crook - Don Young -in 2006. She did well enough to encourage two Democratic Party old school white male attorney apparatchiks to take her on in the Dem primary to take on Young again.
The political establishment on both sides here probably disses her less for being half Tlingit and a woman than for being an outsider, running against the Dem machine.
OT - more corruption arrests coming today and/or tomorrow. There will be at least one HUGE surprise.
Lush’s site yesterday replaced the large Vote Hillary button with her logo, with a Photoshopped photo of her today with the words, “We Got What We Wanted: Chaos….Dem Bloodletting Continues.”
One of the Murkowskis or Begich?
((( ET ))) … can I get that link to your blog ?
Thanks much !
I await with bated breath, ET! ;-)
Dood, click on his name…! *g*
There are tons of Archies in this country that is for sure, but I think far less than 20 years ago. The country has come a long way, and the youth is a major factor. If the Archies were going to be such a huge factor, McCain would have gotten a lot more votes in the primaries…he didn’t. I think a big risk is that if either Obama or HRC is not on the ticket in whichever order the voters choose, those loyal to either one will either not vote, or possibly vote for McCain. So, in my opinion, in order to beat McCain, the dream ticket is probably the best way to go. Anything else risks a McBush win.
LOL … thanks Buddy !
Ridiculous trivialization of Hillary supporters. Does Archie Bunker represent Latinos or Asians who voted overwhelmingly for her? And what of Obama’s >80% support from African Americans? Is that the George Jefferson factor?
Kiddo,
While in the military, being around folks of all races and religions was the norm, now I live in a Caucasian area with a few Indians and Asians. The contrasts are stunning. When I visit the air base the multicultural-ness of it seems normal, but where my home is an African-American looks out of place. I do think racism and sexism are more involved in this process then we want to believe they are. The guys that work for us know not to use certain phrases around my husband anymore, because he will call them on it. I was stunned when my husband said what a rock protruding up in the middle of a logging road is called. I won’t repeat it here.
The good news is we are starting to have the discussion, so hopefully some improvement will follow.
Whatever it takes, the country is at stake, make no mistake.
Here in the Isles, there is a large undercurrent of racism, each of the ethnicities have their own ‘pet peeves’… But, the melting pot tends to obscure it…! 8-)
Under advice from my Samoan attorney, who is sober for a change, I can only say one or MORE ex-governors, one a Dem.
Click on Edward Teller to go to my place.
OT..Oh shit!!!
CNN
The Shadow Government was out to neutralize Edwards from the beginning.
Why do you think Obama appeared out of the blue … loaded with money?
The MSM vanished both Edwards and Ron Paul. Obama is next.
I think the Archie Bunker image is rrestricted to the industrial north,
not so much the southwest, although Catholic older women nationwide
favor HRC 2 to 1.
See, there ya go stereotyping…! *g*
Sounds interesting! ;-0
Can’t vote for a black, can’t vote for a woman…
The only way out of this nonsense is a joint ticket. We should all sink or swim together.
Together I believe we’d swim. Apart, I’m afraid we could sink.
With one, without the other it’d like this for the next 50 years: “we can never nominate another xxxxx, rememeber what happened in ‘08?”
Besides Archie Bunker archetype would vote for John McCain. And quite possibly an African American male well before he would vote for a woman.
Many know precisely how to respond. Keep their biases closeted until they are in the voting booth. Then vote those biases. That is the basis for the misogyny, and scary brown people memes that are currently out there and getting amplified.
Has anyone put numbers on the Rush Limbaugh factor?
Well GW Clusterfuck can still point at the economy- right?
On the day he came into office, the DJIA was at 10,588
Today, over seven years later- it’s at 12,052
So the Harvard MBA has grown the value of the market by under 2% per year during his time in office, BEFORE adjusting for inflation….
McBush promises the same policies.
Yeah, and the surge is working…2 huge explosions in Baghdad…a whole bunch of people killed…and injured..
I wonder what it is in the human mind that causes us to feel “better than” someone? It seems that every group needs this but I can’t understand why. If I’m doing okay, why is it not okay for someone else to be doing okay?
i read that 8-10 percent were Repugs voting for Hillary because Rush said to.
Why would Bill go on that show? I dont get it.
GW Clusterfuck administration complaining that the media isn’t paying attention to Iraq- and the surge.
Has anyone put numbers on the Rush Limbaugh factor?
Yeah, 8% of Hillary’s vote.
kiddo at 19-”
Just ask your white pals (liberals or not) (Republicans or Democrats) if they would be comfortable with their kids marrying a person of color.”
kiddo, just as i was getting ready to comment, i saw your comment…so, i’m changing what i was gonna say….yeaaaaaars ago, late 70’s,my mom and i were out on the deck, and she genteeeely broached the subject with me……that if i didn’t know it already, that it was ok with her and my dad if i decided to marry outside my race……i had a friend who was black, and they thought we were just acting ’as friends’ when around them…….nope, we were just friends..still are…..i was lucky to grow up in a socially/economically diverse way. my folks are great, so were my grandparents.
my sister’s first boyfriend in the 6th grade was black, they used to talk through the living room window for hours, with mom and dad right there watching tv or not…….we had to come in when the streetlights came on, and he was allowed out……they could have talked on the phone, but it was more fun laughing and talking in person. we used to pass him snacks and stuff through the window……what a hoot.
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sttp at 49–”Rush’s knuckleheads skewed the results in Ohio. Sen. Clinton probably would’ve won anyway, but it would’ve been much closer.”
senator clinton won in all but 5 counties in ohio…….there are 88……..the claims of nafta messup, rush, and racism can’t cover that i don’t think.
“Obama has run one of the most positive and issues-oriented campaigns I can ever remember seeing at this level. He has been the whole time. Responding strongly to Wolfson, Penn, Clinton attacks that often have no basis in fact does not count a poo-flinging IMO.
We’ve all spent years bemoaning dirty politics, and when we have a candidate at this stage who is actually doing things differently, so many around here are still lumping them all together as “they all suck” or “I sick of them all..” etc.
Obama is clearly living and breathing a new era of politics that most of us have said we wanted.”
I agree.
This reminds me of the same MSM “balance both sides of the story” crap that so many here have (rightfully) railed against for years.
Sen. Obama’s campaign (like him on the issues or not) has been refreshingly absent of negative bs; so much so the talking heads are all suggesting how he’s got to now “get down and dirty” with her and “hit back.”
Nonsense.
He’s just got to keep on doing what he’s been doing- bringing more young people into politics by appealing to their hopes and better selves, and increase that delegate lead.
I think that I read somewhere that Obama got more of the crossover Republican vote in Texas than Hillary, which would indicate that Limbaugh wasn’t much of a factor.
The Rush factor:
Two weeks ago he was telling his audience to vote for Obama. A week ago he switched and joined Laura Ingraham in suggesting Repubs vote for Clinton. The local Central tx DJs were advocating voting for Obama.
The exit polls: 9% of Republicans voted for a Democrat.
Obama received 53% of their vote and Clinton got 47%.
It’s a riff on HST, who used the attorney’s uncle.
“Under advice from my Samoan attorney, who is sober for a change…”
Dr. Gonzo, I presume..?
The American myth of rugged individualism with it’s roots in the
completely government subsidized west is a good starting point.
Reagan bitching about welfare Cadillacs and welfare queens was a
marketing strategy that played to that myth.
I think Obama’s been getting the bulk of the gooper crossover vote for some months now.
My NW side Chicago city worker says the country is “not ready for a black President”
He is a pretty open individual, so I am not certain how much is him, and how much is perception.
But he has a better first-hand take on the Archie Bunkers than I.
I believe vanity, or several other, of the seven deadly sins, would come into play…! ;-)
Nice…good work Hillary and I guess Rush is crowing. Just what we want in our primaries…not
What about what they did to Mike Gravel? and why are you trying to marginalize the best candidate? [/snarkypoo]
Hmmm. Looks like it’s a good thing for your state that Tony and Frank both lost in ‘06.
by PA Rush should have his base whipped up to a lather. Hillary will win.
Heh, I must’ve forgotten to tag it with the obligatory ‘/TS’…! My Bad! *g*
Perhaps vanity. I have never understood what this is about. I have read that lighter-skinned AAs are considered “better” than darker-skinned even in the AA community. That simply amazes me.
I believe that Pennsylvania does not allow crossover voting.
Explaining Hillary’s wins by invoking Rush makes about as much sense as attributing them to the actions of a mood ring.
Sadly, the level of bigotry and ignorance in America is epidemic. I find that even when I speak to well educated upper middle class people in my community, they have little political or historical knowledge whatsoever. Many of the ones that know anything about politics merely repeat the salacious rumors and GOP talking points spewed by FOX and Rush. It is astounding to me that otherwise sensible people know and care so little our their country and the world they are handing their children and grandchildren. Arrogance and ignorance abound.
Yes, he does. There’s a GIANT difference though about his numbers.
Obama gets crossover votes because people LIKE HIM. Hillary’s crossover is largely to throw a wrench in our primaries and suck up money and energy.
It’s not just Limpdick’s show. I’ve heard this from people I know that work on campaigns around the country, where word has been out for weeks now in Repub circles to get people to vote for Hillary when possible.
A local TV station did their own exit polling on video and almost 50% of the Hillary voters were laughing and saying they were encouraged to do this by the local Repub Party. There wasn’t one single one that voted for Obama for this reason. This was weeks ago and before Lush started his deal.
Hillary staying in now is hurting us tremendously for Nov.
Ironically, as a former Harvard Law Review editor, I admire his rejection of top elite Law Firms in either DC or NYC, to work in the southside of Chicago…!
I have noticed prolonged teevee discussions about “why did Hillary win?” They attribute her victories to:
her teevee ad
Obama slipping
Obama not having his hand over his heart
etc.
None of em pick the obvious explanation—-these were her states with her demographics- they had been polling in her direction from the beginning and voted as expected. In other words- there’s NOTHING TO EXPLAIN!!!
Racism is worse than sexism, perhaps. Our Governor, Sarah Palin, announced yesterday afternoon that she’s 7 months pregnant. The newspaper blogs and right-wing radio are screaming for her to resign because “she can no longer do her job!”
The old saw that a pregnant woman is “ill” - strange.
Knocked up gov eh? Who will answer the calls at 3am?
There is a vast demographic difference between the NW and SW sides of Chicago.
And yes, I admire that decision as well.
I have a great respect for the do-gooders of this world.
“I think that I read somewhere that Obama got more of the crossover Republican vote in Texas than Hillary, which would indicate that Limb