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		<title>By: DennisQ</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/06/clinton-campaign-on-3-am-ad/#comment-1318932</link>
		<dc:creator>DennisQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Obama’s not going for the bait.  If Hillary’s going to win this thing, she’ll have to &lt;em&gt;win&lt;/em&gt; it, not sucker him into an emotional over-reaction.  She tipped her hand with her nasty remark that all Obama has going for him is a speech he made in 2002.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I voted for Obama and have experienced twinges of buyer’s remorse.  Hillary’s intemperate ads and her intemperate remarks have made that remorse go away.  &lt;strong&gt;Leadership&lt;/strong&gt; counts as much as experience, and she didn’t show any with that war vote.  Imagine if she’d done the right thing instead of the expedient thing.  Think of that in terms of a different metric than votes in primary elections - lives lost, children orphaned, human beings blinded or maimed.  If she’d risked her political career by opposing the war, how much closer would we be toward ending that terrible tragedy?  &lt;em&gt;That’s &lt;/em&gt;how I measure Hillary.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama’s not going for the bait.  If Hillary’s going to win this thing, she’ll have to <em>win</em> it, not sucker him into an emotional over-reaction.  She tipped her hand with her nasty remark that all Obama has going for him is a speech he made in 2002.</p>
<p>I voted for Obama and have experienced twinges of buyer’s remorse.  Hillary’s intemperate ads and her intemperate remarks have made that remorse go away.  <strong>Leadership</strong> counts as much as experience, and she didn’t show any with that war vote.  Imagine if she’d done the right thing instead of the expedient thing.  Think of that in terms of a different metric than votes in primary elections &#8211; lives lost, children orphaned, human beings blinded or maimed.  If she’d risked her political career by opposing the war, how much closer would we be toward ending that terrible tragedy?  <em>That’s </em>how I measure Hillary.</p>
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		<title>By: peony</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/06/clinton-campaign-on-3-am-ad/#comment-1318863</link>
		<dc:creator>peony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 06:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Exactly!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly!</p>
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		<title>By: peony</title>
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		<dc:creator>peony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 06:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RW, if you’re still here:  Josh @ TPM had a post about this yesterday.  The leaker was identified as Canadian PM Stephen Harper’s chief of staff.  Evidently, the idea was the conservatives in Canadian and US government wanted to take down Obama.  Here’s the link:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080305.wharpleak0305/BNStory/National/home&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.theglobeandmail.com.....ional/home&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RW, if you’re still here:  Josh @ TPM had a post about this yesterday.  The leaker was identified as Canadian PM Stephen Harper’s chief of staff.  Evidently, the idea was the conservatives in Canadian and US government wanted to take down Obama.  Here’s the link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080305.wharpleak0305/BNStory/National/home" rel="nofollow">http://www.theglobeandmail.com&#8230;..ional/home</a></p>
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		<title>By: peony</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/06/clinton-campaign-on-3-am-ad/#comment-1318850</link>
		<dc:creator>peony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 05:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rob, you’d be great as a communications director or media spokesperson, assuming you’re not being paid to do this for a living.  Keep it up!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, you’d be great as a communications director or media spokesperson, assuming you’re not being paid to do this for a living.  Keep it up!</p>
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		<title>By: MarilynSanAntone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/06/clinton-campaign-on-3-am-ad/#comment-1318782</link>
		<dc:creator>MarilynSanAntone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 05:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s the state Demo parties that foot the bill for the primary elections. No chance of getting any federal money for it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My suggestion for Howard Dean is to “split the difference” by allowing Michigan to redo their primary.  Only Hillary’s name was on the ballot there.  Those voters did not have a choice.  (I believe I am right about this).  Delegates out of this redo should be seated.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Neither candidate campaigned in Florida (although some of Obama’s TV ads found their way in).  Florida delegates should be seated.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dean should take charge of this if he is to retain any clout as national chairman.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As to the rapacious turn this campaign has taken, it is disgusting all of us.  I had a long conversation with a friend tonight.  She is politically astute and as committed as I am to seeing a Democrat win this election, but is saddened to see this disintegration of the party.  We have just about concluded we will work to support Noriega for the Senate and stay out of the presidential campaign.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Many of you have decided that Clinton is the biggest offender…maybe so.  But I believe a constant barrage of sliming Hillary on this blog and other liberal blogs sickens me.  Jane has written article describing a Clinton conference call and gives that campaign one teeny weeny good point and many now jump on her for that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If we lose to McCain, Hillary shares a great deal of the blame.  But liberals like us , if thinking clearly, will have to say we paved the way.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Obama is to be our nominee, he needs to toughen up and tell his supporters to get a life.  I like his cool calm demeanor, but some of his supporters are getting me down.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s the state Demo parties that foot the bill for the primary elections. No chance of getting any federal money for it.</p>
<p>My suggestion for Howard Dean is to “split the difference” by allowing Michigan to redo their primary.  Only Hillary’s name was on the ballot there.  Those voters did not have a choice.  (I believe I am right about this).  Delegates out of this redo should be seated.</p>
<p>Neither candidate campaigned in Florida (although some of Obama’s TV ads found their way in).  Florida delegates should be seated.</p>
<p>Dean should take charge of this if he is to retain any clout as national chairman.</p>
<p>As to the rapacious turn this campaign has taken, it is disgusting all of us.  I had a long conversation with a friend tonight.  She is politically astute and as committed as I am to seeing a Democrat win this election, but is saddened to see this disintegration of the party.  We have just about concluded we will work to support Noriega for the Senate and stay out of the presidential campaign.</p>
<p>Many of you have decided that Clinton is the biggest offender…maybe so.  But I believe a constant barrage of sliming Hillary on this blog and other liberal blogs sickens me.  Jane has written article describing a Clinton conference call and gives that campaign one teeny weeny good point and many now jump on her for that.</p>
<p>If we lose to McCain, Hillary shares a great deal of the blame.  But liberals like us , if thinking clearly, will have to say we paved the way.</p>
<p>If Obama is to be our nominee, he needs to toughen up and tell his supporters to get a life.  I like his cool calm demeanor, but some of his supporters are getting me down.</p>
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		<title>By: Mommybrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mommybrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 04:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hear, Hear!  Ian, you have to say this loud LOUDER &lt;strong&gt;LOUDEST&lt;/strong&gt; in other threads.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is it November yet?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, Hear!  Ian, you have to say this loud LOUDER <strong>LOUDEST</strong> in other threads.</p>
<p>Is it November yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Welsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 04:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Folks need to put downt he koolaid now.  Clinton and Obama are both centrist candidates and the differences between them on policy proposals and voting records are fairly minor.  Such as exist are as follows:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Clinton is more left leaning on domestic economic issues though still certainly not particularly progressive..  Obama’s key advisors are right leaning Univeristy of Chicago school types.  That’s not good, that’s not good at all.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obama is better on trasparency issues and the internet.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obama is very slightly  more progressive on foreign affairs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There just ain’t that much difference and folks need to stop acting as if there is.  What’s the line about academia, the fighting is fierce because so little is at stake?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Put down the bloody kool-aid and get a grip.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks need to put downt he koolaid now.  Clinton and Obama are both centrist candidates and the differences between them on policy proposals and voting records are fairly minor.  Such as exist are as follows:</p>
<p>Clinton is more left leaning on domestic economic issues though still certainly not particularly progressive..  Obama’s key advisors are right leaning Univeristy of Chicago school types.  That’s not good, that’s not good at all.</p>
<p>Obama is better on trasparency issues and the internet.</p>
<p>Obama is very slightly  more progressive on foreign affairs.</p>
<p>There just ain’t that much difference and folks need to stop acting as if there is.  What’s the line about academia, the fighting is fierce because so little is at stake?</p>
<p>Put down the bloody kool-aid and get a grip.</p>
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		<title>By: john in sacramento</title>
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		<dc:creator>john in sacramento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You know, I’m not emotionally invested in this (Clinton v Obama) and I’m not getting into a flame war with you&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Have a great evening!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I’m not emotionally invested in this (Clinton v Obama) and I’m not getting into a flame war with you</p>
<p>Have a great evening!</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisO</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Geez, John, you don’t have time to actually look at the ads you’re attacking, but you can post endless paragraphs about subliminal ads? That’s what’s known as a red herring. You go on an on about subliminal advertising, as if the debate is over how effective Hillary’s subliminal ads are. When in point of fact, there is no evidence that there is any kind of subliminal advertising at play. That’s just another Internet fever dream.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And Hillary’s response on 60 Minutes wasn’t “evil,” nor was it “Rovian.” On what planet is a response of “Of course not. I mean, that, you know, there is no basis for that” not a blanket statement? And could you please provide us with a link to the story where it was established that the Clinton campaign “released” the Obama photo? Since you didn’t express it as your opinion, but as a statement of fact, I’m assuming you have some backup.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You know what is evil? Poisoning the discourse by accusing people of every vile tactic under the sun, simply by rehashing Internet rumors. That’s what’s evil.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez, John, you don’t have time to actually look at the ads you’re attacking, but you can post endless paragraphs about subliminal ads? That’s what’s known as a red herring. You go on an on about subliminal advertising, as if the debate is over how effective Hillary’s subliminal ads are. When in point of fact, there is no evidence that there is any kind of subliminal advertising at play. That’s just another Internet fever dream.</p>
<p>And Hillary’s response on 60 Minutes wasn’t “evil,” nor was it “Rovian.” On what planet is a response of “Of course not. I mean, that, you know, there is no basis for that” not a blanket statement? And could you please provide us with a link to the story where it was established that the Clinton campaign “released” the Obama photo? Since you didn’t express it as your opinion, but as a statement of fact, I’m assuming you have some backup.</p>
<p>You know what is evil? Poisoning the discourse by accusing people of every vile tactic under the sun, simply by rehashing Internet rumors. That’s what’s evil.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisO</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, Pete, to answer one of your questions, the Clinton ad never said she had experience handling crises, and Obama did not. It said the President will have to respond to crises, and asked voters who they would want in the White House when that happens. I happen to think that Jane’s reaction about fear tactics is a bit much, but her point is certainly arguable. You are blatantly misstating the facts, and demanding a response to your misstatements.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Pete, to answer one of your questions, the Clinton ad never said she had experience handling crises, and Obama did not. It said the President will have to respond to crises, and asked voters who they would want in the White House when that happens. I happen to think that Jane’s reaction about fear tactics is a bit much, but her point is certainly arguable. You are blatantly misstating the facts, and demanding a response to your misstatements.</p>
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