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Jane!

If I was a guy I’d probably be just about as insulted by this article on “The Angry White Male” that Jill highlights.

When I step in dogshit I usually just scrape it off and move on.

Video via Feministing in honor of Charlotte Allen and the Washington Post, who can all kiss my ass.

Be careful what you wish for Jane… you just never no :>)

I agree with that one busted….

So I should quit responding to those “Single Seventh Day Adventist” ads that I get spammed with?

but it’s so much fun….

Apparently I did, and I tracked it in so everybody left.

Where is everybody today?

jayt, I thought you were spoken for.

jayt, I thought you were spoken for.

me? Hell, I’m not sure I’m even spoken *about*……..

Heh, I seem to recall his feeble efforts with Val and Rachel…! Bwhahaha…!

I think it’s a fundie religious thing. Wanting the woman to obey her husband and all.

I heard a JDL speaker a few years back tell about a Walmart in the south whose manager had a thing for hiring pregnant white women. They’d come back to work and pretty soon they were pregnant again. Turns out they were trying to out baby by race…

I’ve been campaigning!

Wanting the woman to obey her husband and all.

I wish mine did, more often, at least…! ;-)

hey now – I was *this* close with Val – I just never expected that Joe Wilson would be reading that day.

Who could ever have anticipated….?

If only the web had flow charts, to determine what fool crapped out what and who zinged aforementioned fool. I start clicking back and then forget what I was outraged about, except to realize there are more primates typing than Shakespeare would ever need.

Props also go out to Nancy Pelosi for calling on McCain to dump the Hagee endorsement:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/181924.php

Dreams are a wonderful thing…! *g*

McCain can’t dump this endorsement. It would destroy him and hell will freeze over before he does – IMO.

The repug nomination is secured… Time to tact left…! 8-(

So I should quit responding to those “Single Seventh Day Adventist” ads that I get spammed with?

but it’s so much fun…

I haven’t gotten those yet..I only get the blue and beige pills..Seventh Day Adventists are very healthy; are they “Cute”?

I am glad, however, that Nancy called him out on it. BIG signal to Catholics.

True, A spine, perchance…? At least, Hoyer has delayed FISA…! *g*

OT but I cannot help but note the death of Eve Carson, the young lady killed in Chapel Hill this morning. She is from here in Athens. This was an extraordinary young woman, class president at UNC, pre-med and a complete delight. There is much trouble in the world but this loss is especially tragic.

BTW, I love the fact that Jello Jay hasn’t any of his Repug friends backing him up in the Conference Committee’s Meetings on FISA…! *g*

No, Mitch, Scottish Haggis, Hoekstra, Davis, etal… Thank God, for small miracles…! 8-)

.Seventh Day Adventists are very healthy; are they “Cute”?

You’ve heard of “an acquired taste”? Let’s say that I’m still waiting for that possibility. I think maybe it’s the bat-shit crazy aspect that is holding up the whole process…

They *do* shock pretty easily – I find that to be kinda cute – and a whole buncha fun.

Ladies First

I’m pretty sure the graphic is actually clipped from the larger crowd-scene graphic that appeared in the print edition. I can make sure when I get home. The Post website may be responsible for putting it up there, but they didn’t just pull it out of nowhere; so I’d say the print edition people are actually responsible for that.

what conference committee meetings? didn’t mcconnell object when reid proposed them?

Raven @ 23

My condolances. Very big loss. Thanks for sharing it
Jim C

Which is why we need to hang it around his neck at every opportunity.

Good for you!

Yes’m, Duly noted and scolded, I was gonna put the Con Com in Quotes…! *g*

It is a sad tale, indeed, Raven…! 8-(

I’m careening between depression and serious anger.

didn’t mean to scold! i haven’ been reading any news since lunch time and who knows what could have happened since then.

(((raven)))

saw The Leoni was in Vietnam ,trying to bring awareness to the agent Orange problem for kiddies…sad ,sad good on her….and for Hillary at 3 am…Do you know where your Bill is?

That’s dreadful, and such an awful loss. Chapel Hill creates wonderful doctors, and we’ve lost a future leader. Such a sadness.

jeeze, what a waste.
This kind of thing always saddens me because of the potential of a bright individual being snuffed out.
Tragic.

Toni?

argh!@#$%^&@#$%^ER%^….replace every gun with a switchblade,and lower the murder rate overnight imo

No bitches here- but some interesting numbers- (unfortunately they are from Rasmussen)

Eight states with 97 Electoral Votes are either a pure Toss-Up or just slightly leaning to one party or the other. These are likely to be the early battleground states of Election 2008: Florida (27), Ohio (20), Virginia (13), Missouri (11), Colorado (9), Iowa (7), Nevada (5), and New Mexico (5).

I can see her as a little girl at the folk society dances running around like mad!

I took a nap…zzzz, but I’m back now..

sorry Tea

http://afp.google.com/article/…..arR2z20kEg

Sounds right about the battleground states. This tells us which states our eventual candidate needs to win.

Any suspects? Sounds like an execution almost. Horrible crime and what a loss…

Survey USA did polls in all 50 states.

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=4374

The takeaway lesson is that this race will be close! I don’t like hearing how we will win in a blowout. The Electoral College is not our friend.

OT but important — I just got a call from the ACLU regarding FISA. They patched me through to my Congresscritter’s line so I could leave a voicemail for my DINO. I told the nice lady who called that, given my critter, it might be an exercise in futility. She said she’d been hearing that a lot. I also said to patch me through and I made a plea for the 4th Amendment. Has anyone else gotten a call like this? WTG, ACLU!

I did some research, pulled weeds and did some letter writing on behalf of human trafficking to my elected officials *g* Had to do something positive as all this campaign stuff has gotten way too negative.

Don’t know, we’re pretty far from Chapel Hill here. We’re following it as well as we can.

That is why they should run together or we could well end up with Prezdinent McSame.

i think it is the abject SECRECY of this regime,that makes me so very nervous and uneasy

replace every gun with a switchblade,and lower the murder rate overnight imo

There was a sci fi series of books that had that law, the Darkover books. It made for an interesting society…

brava jane!

remember not too long ago that people went to college, not for a degree, but for a husband with one? well, some of them are journalists.

when i hear ’feminist movies’, i always wonder why people leave this one out-i always immediately think of

crimes of the heart.

women thinking they’re doing what they want while constrained, then breaking free, not realizing they weren’t free and whole, because they were doing what they thought they wanted, then reordering their lives after facing what was holding them back…….and moving on.

a total delight of a movie, i laugh and laaugh and laaaaaugh every time i see it.

diane keaton, jessica lange and sissy spacek playing the three sisters.

everyone should see this movie. and remember the time period when it came out.

it was a play.

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raven, so sorry about eve carson………so sorry…….a few years ago, one of my friends was murdered by someone that knew her, that she helped, but had a skitzo attack, a legitimate one, so, noone to blame really….professor, community leader, hands on kind person, even did her own roofing for years……..amazing person, like eve sounded amazing, too……..still forget she’s gone. i drove by her houses last time i was home, she rehabbed victorians and turned them into apartments, created a whole historic neighborhood, started back in the 70’s………rented to gays and blacks back when noone else would.

she rode an old-fashioned bicycle around the neighborhood, when she drove, it was an old barracuda.

they’re making a monument for her in the park with a bicycle and water.

i drove over for all of the memorial services and then to pennsylvania for the funeral.

was damn hard. she was really loved by many.

hope they find a way to honor eve that helps her family and friends get through it. let us know.

Yes

It takes a bit of time to re-adjust to presidential politics and that dear old electoral college.

When one considers that you still need to take Florida or Ohio or some other swing states to win- one can see why wise dems are stickin close to the middle of the road—get in the left lane and they’ll run ya off the road there.

Two female college students killed by GSW in as many days..odd.

Yea, I cannot imagine how they are coping.

That was the first thing I thought, Auburn to Chapel Hill, could it have been the same person? They are saying no.

Raven–

Indeed it is sad to hear of the loss of such a young life. i wish nothing but peace to her family.

i soooooooooooo tired of the argument,guns dont kill people…let me run away from a knife weilding crazy anytime,before id have to outrun a bullet

Me too. The premise was that any weapon that acted beyond the reach of your arm was illegal. No slingshots either. You had to get up close and personal to kill or wound someone. What a concept….

hey blunt objects,silk stockings etc,etc….give me some odds please

and can anybody tell me what HAND GUNS are used for except piercing human flesh

Whatever is nearby, MacGyver…! *g*

I guess I’ll skip the gun control argument tonite.

nope, your preaching to the choir

Be Nice…! ;-)

KO Time… And Hill is at Bat…! *g*

There are societies with that still intact too, i’d think. Not just a scifi concept. Japan has it’s love of gun culture, but really has very few guns as a whole on the entire set of islands. They romanticize it, but gun murders are rare. Granted, you see your share of knife related crime but that’s a given in a place with as many people crammed into a tiny space.

I just find it interesting the way they use it to romanticize the violence of it, but the guns aren’t the main weapon of choice either. Stylize it, play with it, have some crazy ass fictional characters with it. Otherwise, most that own guns are the SDF(Self Defense Force), or the crooks that get them in other ways. And it still doesn’t stop the citizens from defending themselves by other means.

One of those interesting points of views society wise that makes me go back and look, and look again.

ot – I’ve been struggling with the flu since mid Feb, so I just drop in for a few minutes at a time. I don’t know if this has been covered, but the Carlyle group is having some credit problems….hmmm…maybe the economy will finally get some attention?

From NYTimes
Carlyle Fund Misses Margin Calls

By JULIA WERDIGIER
Published: March 6, 2008

LONDON — A fund linked to the private equity firm Carlyle Group became the latest investment firm to run into trouble amid deteriorating credit markets when it said on Thursday that it failed to meet some margin calls and had received a notice of default.

A fund linked to the private equity firm Carlyle Group became the latest investment firm to run into trouble amid deteriorating credit markets when it said on Thursday that it failed to meet some margin calls and had received a notice of default.

And once again, I feel just awful about that.

Poor crooks guys…

She praised McCain again ? What is going on? What is her lifetime of experience? I’m not being a smart ass, i really want to know and also what is the commander and chief threshold??????

Raven, recently on my blog I did a post about Glenn Beck who said the only way to stop college campus massacres is for every student to carry a gun while on campus. I went batshit crazy with rage, of course, and was then told by a neocon in the comments that gun safety classes make us safe because the person is less apt to go out and shoot someone because he/she has a respect for the gun. I said in response, “Uh ha. I see. Dumbass!”.

Japan has it’s love of gun culture, but really has very few guns as a whole on the entire set of islands. They romanticize it, but gun murders are rare.

The UK is very similar… Much of the Commonwealth, too…!

I cannot believe that Clinton would say these things.

The one person I look up to most, was my grandmother. She’s been gone almost a quarter of a century. By God, now there was a feminist. I loved that woman so. We are coming up on the anniversary of your passing Grandma. And there’s not a day goes by I don’t think about at least one of the lessons you taught me. You weren’t just a woman, you were an individual. That’s what I admire about you most.

Archie Bunker wanted to arm all plane passengers.

Everyone should carry TWO guns- in case the first one doesn’t work.

I like Florida’s law in which if someone makes you FEEL threatened- ya can blow em away. One shouldn’t be required to be rational in order to drill someone.

that’s beautiful, kiddo *g*

Heh, words are being exchanged…!

I was just sitting here pondering that…well, by throwing McCain a few bones, it will be harder for him to attack her personally down the road…it will make him look like “mean”…she’s setting him up by disarming him first…keep your enemies close. JMHO

This has to stop. is she really going to throw it to McCain? So she can run in 2012.

What is her lifetime of experience?

i really want to know and also what is the commander and chief threshold??????

well, according to the clip KO just showed, Hillary says it was sleeping next to Bill when *he* got phone calls…

I have no dog in this hunt—I’m an Edwards gal—but I’m getting really pissed off at Clinton for the crap that she and her lackeys are trying to pull.

As KO said, is she a LIEberman Dem. or a McCain Repug?

“What separates Hillary from Lieberman”? KO

Clinton: no do-overs, no caucuses; seat the delegates as is

wow

Nah.

Please defend her Clinton folks…please

Keith seems incredulous at the Clinton campaign’s comparison of Hillary Clinton to Ken Starr…

Obama needs to unload on these slimeballs.

good grief, this is way out of control now.

She has people comparing her to Lieberman!!

Same mentality. *shaking head*

He compared Obama to Starr.

defend the indefensible?

HRC is becoming completely unhinged. As is our party. She is the new lieberman and Huckabee simultaneously.

KO seems pretty pissed off in general at the Clinton campaign…

even Richard Wolffe (sp?) says it’s getting hard to tell Hillary from Lieberman.

But of course…! The bulk of the pledged would be her’s… With, MI voting 40% ‘uncommitted’… interesting…!

KO says, “OK, into the back room or the courtroom” re: Florida and Michigan

You know, I just didn’t want to go there!

People, this is Keith Olberman. Wake up.

that was Wolfson, Clinton’s mouthpiece.

I’m sitting here shaking my head, just unbelievable

you are correct, of course

See me at #83…typical Clinton strategy…she’s creating a wall that McCain will have difficulty getting over…and trying to keep Obama down.

I’m an Edwards gal too but have chosen Obama to go the distance. He’s the only breath of fresh air left in the field.

This makes no sense to me at all

Jane, thanks for this update.

I was reading, and then got a knock on the door from someone from the GA Dem party- trying to revitalize the party from the grassroots. Long conversation, including her saying “oh, I love Jane Hamsher!”

This whole Post thing just pisses me off to no end, and I particularly liked on of the comments Laura Rozen quoted (link above in article)- snippet to follow-

~~~Update: A well placed, top tier, MSM journalist colleague writes:

Someone should demand of Downie an answer to the following question: Is he willing to issue a clear statement to the effect that it is not acceptable to publish opinion articles that demean women on his pages. And if he’s not, how does he feel about articles that demean black, Jews, Catholics, etc. Are we back in the dark ages?~~~

Pic of Clinton with McCain, Susan Collins and Lindsay Graham in a photo op.

Lovely.

If Clinton thinks so highly of John McCain’s qualifications to be president, why doesn’t she just join Joe Lieberman in endorsing McCain?

so MONICA,and JENIFER are EQUALLY qualified …who,knew

Apparently there are some military types who aren’t all that happy with St. McCain. They think he has possibly a bit of a, how to put this politely, knee-jerk response.

Yes, doesn’t change anything.

Maybe I don’t see the conventional logic here. It would seem to me that the issue is where one can turn out support for ones candidate as well as just looking at States who might be close in the polls. Different candidate match-ups (we now only have McCain) in different States.

So what was the Democratic vs. Republican turnout in the primaries of those States, and others, with the different match-ups?

Florida (20), Ohio (20), Missouri (11), were won by Hillary in the Democratic primaries, though Florida was really not contested

New Mexico (5) Iowa (7) and Nevada (5) were essentially toss-ups between the candidates

Virginia (13) and Colorado (9) were won by Obama.

By just a superficial examination this would indicate that Hillary would be the “best” candidate. But would Hillary bring out more anti-Hillary votes in these States than Democratic votes? Would she put even more “Democrat” States in play? Would Obama put States like Georgia and the Carolinas or Mississippi into play (simply by massive turnout and registration)? I think it’s a lot more complex.

Also why isn’t New Jersey and Indiana in this mix?

You know, I just didn’t want to go there!

I have a feeling that during a significant portion of Bill’s presidency, neither did Hillary.

sorry.

Oh didn’t you know? We just like to read that weekly middle section on cooking and gardening and decorating.

This is all classic scorched earth. She’s setting herself up for 2012.

Me too. Exactly what you said.

Spot on! Why would you rank a repug in front of another dem. *sigh* As a dem, this makes me sick

yup…scorched earth…word

nah

KO…Bwahahahahaha…

HRC making Laura Bush equally experienced to run for president….OFG…

I am refusing to comment, temporarily, on what’s going on between Obama and Hillary. Lahoma exhibits no such compunction. She (Lahoma) is bouncing off the walls.

Yup! *grins* I grew up with my canuck family, and guns aren’t even part of the conversation unless an uncle’s talking about hunting up in the territories!

Granted, even on the american side of the family? Guns just aren’t THERE. I’m amused by fictional ultraviolence but i’ve been aware of the fact from a very early age(like around 6 or 7) that it’s not real. We’ve never had reason for them in our household. Dad doesn’t hunt, and i never saw the reason to even go to a firing range beyond curiousity on what it’s like to handle one. But there’s just no appeal to it, and i dont’ understand. Hell, i like swords/blades better than guns! A much more honest weapon, that.

Yeah, the thought of him in office is enough to make me make sure my brasilian passport is valid

howard dean needs to reign her in

LOL

Love that Margaret, Hillary did have tea and cookies with the Chinese

Geez- Jane puts up a post celebrating the accomplishments of women, and people take the opportunity of a new thread to keep going on “the endless primary”? Sorry to sound testy, but I am testy.

kiddo, you are demonstrating remarkable restraint

KO picking up on the Clinton kabuki with the Canadians and NAFTA. This needs far more coverage if true. The lies went a long way to winning her Ohio.

I had a feeling it was about time for the terra card to be played

i said Monica,and Jenifer

she’s praising McCain over Obama because she’s scared shitless of Obama.

Never mind that, should she ever be in the general against McCain, all these statements will bite her in the ass so hard that there may not be any left.

The Clinton campaign seems incapable of thinking more than 5 minutes ahead.

Oy Vey.

Don’t get me wrong, I think Pennsylvania will see through it. The Obama campaign has been strangely silent today, letting her creep out as far out on her limb as she can manage.

good luck with that one!

It is true, as she got the votes. Thanks NAFTA and Rush

707

raven at 59–”yea, I cannot imagine how they are coping.”

i would think right now, not knowing the how and why would be the hardest part.

at least with my friend we knew the how and why…….even though horrible, it would have been much harder not knowing that. even though the who and why were utterly unbelievable, at least we had that.

just let them know you are feeling it with them, that’s what i did, and later on, her family let me know how much that helped them.

my friends let me know they were feeling it with me, it helped me, and that let me help her family the same way. i don’t think i would have reached out as much if it had gone differently, and her entire family was in shock……i knew her parents, they visited pretty often and did work on the rentals with her…….nice family, horrible thing.

people cope better when they feel support. any kind. big or little it’s all the same.

She (Lahoma) is bouncing off the walls.

It’s gotta be a woman thing … [bounce] … we can say things about each other we won’t let you guys, sometimes … [bounce] … [bounce]

That would be like Italy before the Renaissance dagers and swords no guns.
Stilldeadly. Civilization has noved backwards.

KO now pointing out it was the Clinton campaign, not the Obama campaign (as the Clinton campaign originally alleged) that told the Canadian government that its candidate (Clinton) didn’t mean what she said about not really wanting to alter NAFTA…

EPU’d

bounce, bounce, bounce

yup

dosi- yeah! really, I used to use “sexism” but really it’s “misogyny” as Jane keeps pointing out. It is so discouraging that women have to keep fighting this battle every generation. (I trust you agree ;) )

Somebody send Hillary to Christy’s pooh thread -quick!

even Richard Wolffe (sp?) says it’s getting hard to tell Hillary from Lieberman.

Problem is, I don’t think Hillary thinks that’s any insult anymore. Here’s the deal as I see it: Obama said he wants to have some Rethugs in his cabinet; I think Hill’s fixing to name McCain as her VP choice. After all, that was considered by Kerry, from all reports. We seem to have some real good choices. My mood is getting darker by the day. There’s no telling me that for the super delegates to turn the nomination over to Hillary wouldn’t take all the wind out of the youth sails, or burst the bubble of any other Dems that Obama has inspired, and you can include me in that. Soon, that giant sucking sound you hear will be the air going out of those bubbles. Then a huge swishing sound as the electorate runs away from politics completely. Guess the Democratic party will just be living up to its reputation. Disgusting!

Hiilary isnt any woman Id like to be like when I grow up.

Lahoma is livid. And watching Olbermann isn’t helping. But that’s what she want’s to do (we do that evernight) so that’s what we’re doing. The problem is, whatever attitude Lahoma takes on, if it lasts long enough, I will take on.

I think Hill’s fixing to name McCain as her VP choice.

Say what?

that is fine,have many pillows to throw

Now I am becoming livid, along with my lady. And the target of our anger is coincident. Naturally.

I was in the car going to pick up my son when I heard this on the radio. I just started crying. Too sad.

yes …very GOOD judgement indeedy

Obama is David and Hill, Goliath. How can a skinny black guy have the nerve to go against the Machine. And win.
This is new stuff for politics. This is a ground up campaign… 55 million last month from folks like me that gave $25. We own it!

Lahoma and I are supporters of Senator Obama. Win or lose.

Good for you, my friend. ;0)

Sorry, I’m not getting your point. There are other women in the world, and Jane points out in her post examples of good things they’ve been doing.

Yeah, well I’m testy too. Sen. Clinton is way over the line here and she needs to be called out on it.

It is inexcusable to put McCain in a positive light against a fellow Democratic candidate.

Or visa versa! She’s giving him big kisses on the lips in her speeches. I find it disgusting that she’s being so deferential to McCain and so rude to Obama, while at the same time she berates him for being mean to her. I had every intention of voting for whichever candidate won the Dem nomination, but she’s steadily losing all the respect that she’s built up with me.

wobblybits March 6th, 2008 at 5:09 pm 88
Clinton: no do-overs, no caucuses; seat the delegates as is

wow

Taking what you did not earn: stealing…id that a presidential quality?

diane keaton, jessica lange and sissy spacek playing the three sisters.

Jessica and Diane find Sissy in the kitchen with her head in the oven. They ask her what is wrong and why she would do something like this. As Sissy is pulling her head out of the oven she says in a very southern accent, “I don’t know. I guess I am just having a bad day.”

Clintons are not protective of the dem brand. That is something that Dean should take up with them and their statements about Mi and FL delegates and the super delegates. Clintons in no way represent any ideals I hold of value including her not being a FISA supporter at the vote.
Very sad to say