Laura Rozen writes today about the Post sending out Charlotte Allen like a two headed dog in the Village freak show for an online chat, rather than addressing the appalling lack of journalistic ethics they showed in giving her column inches in the first place:
The Post's efforts to pretend this whole affair just "made readers angry" and would warrant a nice, cathartic chat are pathetic. Accountability? There was no editorial agency here? While Allen is responsible for what she wrote, the real issue is the Post taking responsibility for publishing it. Something they have so far refused to do, or even explain.
Megan Garber of the Columbia Journalism Review:
The Allen story seems to me a pretty clear case of page-view sellout; you don’t have to be Nick Denton to know that pissing people off is a surefire way to increase your eyeball count. And, judging by the hundreds of comments the piece has already received, it’s a winner, tally-wise, whatever else its (many) failings. Because of that, we’ll probably see more similarly ridiculous pieces in the Post’s pages and elswhere. I, for one, am already looking forward to the paper’s upcoming eyeball-grabbers, “Asians Can’t Drive,” “Jews Are Cheap,” and “Old People Smell.” They’ll all be tongue-in-cheek, of course.
This was a deeply foolish act of publishing. The editor responsible, John Pomfret, told Laura Rozen that he “ran Charlotte Allen’s piece to provoke, but not to offend.” But if that were the case, he would not have chosen as provocateur a political opponent of the people who needed to be poked.
Allen from her chat today, after having said she wrote the piece for "fun":
West Lafayette, Ind.: Your idea of fun is to paint a (horribly inaccurate) picture of your sex as stupid?
Charlotte Allen: How about an accurate picture?
If the John Pomfret cover story is that it's "satire," nobody told Allen about it. She thinks she told some great truth.
Laura Rozen says the paper needs to address this at the highest levels, and she's right. Deborah Howell is better left to covering pie eating contests -- it's Len Downie who needs to explain what the Post's standards are for publicly attacking and degrading groups of people with crap like this.
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stupid!
Jane! Downie’s got some ’splaining to do.
nahant, you are fast tonight. looks like you got the single-single.
Next week in the Washington Post-It: David Duke on Obama’s candidacy.
Sorry for the repetition. But I posted this at the end of the last thread:
People who claim to be change makers should be bold enough to challenge convention. There’s no rule barring a potential nominee from debating an actual nominee. Only convention stands in the way. Either Obama or HRC should call out McCain and challenge him to a debate. The only condition would be that the other Dem. would also challenge McCain to a one on one debate. Wouldn’t you like to see, in real life, how each of these candidates stacks up against McCain before the decision is final? If the other Dem. won’t issue the same challenge, it’s a sign of weakness. And if McCain won’t accept the challenge he’s a really a weenie instead of a hero.
A self portrait, obviously…!
…the picture…it burns….
Jane!!!
I’ve got this feeling of deja vu, as though I’ve seen this post before…
FunnyD
LOL
How are you doing tonight?
Heh, you’re as evil as always…! ;-)
Kinda digging their hole deeper aren’t they?
Bonne Soir, Ma Cheri!
not as bad as that darkblack a/c picture of the mouth that roared
I think Donald enjoys seeing his mother’s newspaper trashed. The pattern of editorial incompetence is too recurring to be random stupidity.
the following week: Karl Rove on the state of the Democratic Party
It seems that at least one female member of the Post staff was not amused. Caitlin Gibson, legal administrator for The Post, co-wrote a piece along with writer and actor Rachel Manteuffel, slamming Allen’s work as “A Dumb Argument.” They open like this:
It gets better. Have fun and click through for the whole piece.
All right. Class went okay, the young minds got corrupted.
Now you’re talking.
In all fairness, it seemed an obvious cheap shot to me.
Then your day was a complete success.
Harking back to an earlier comment I made:
When Pomfret was saying it was “tongue in cheek”
Tongue in cheek? You know, Pomfey probably believes this. Because bashing women is funny haha. Just like jokes about blacks used to be so “funny”.
Heads up- hate speech against women (generic, but not by the legal definition, alas) is still fine and dandy. Whereas racism does get slapped down. Just try rewriting that column imagining it was written by a black person, saying blacks are dumb, bad drivers, etc. and its hatefulness is apparent.
I look forward to the time when it is every bit as unacceptable to bash women as it is to do race bashing/ racism.
This wasn’t degrading “groups”, it was a slur on over half the population. Some of them can read too, and perhaps slightly less can write. (Tongue-in-cheek)
Still no public mea culpa from the WaPoo folks?
Just pray they’re not listening.
Laura Rozen is a great journalist.
WarandPiece por vida!
Any thoughts on Modo’s ’shoulder-pad feminism’ opinion piece in this morning’s NYT?
Going to sic Horowitz on you. You probably made them more “liberal“
Perfect analysis.
And men who think women are dumb are also dumb.
They say that they’ll say something on Sunday.
TeddySF is not holding his breath.
what more could one ask?
*g*
They can? ;-)
Not sure this can be handled by Len Downie, actually.
I’d very much like to hear new publisher and WP President Katharine (II) Weymouth’s take on it all.
Dugg
http://digg.com/2008_us_electi.....tupid_Does
Maybe they’ll do a rebuttal piece:
“Most Chicks Are Not Lamebrains”
They’re anthropology majors. If they aren’t liberal yet, they’re in for a very rude awakening.
thanks nahant :)
They serve cow pies at the WaPo?
I think I’ll pass on their coffee too. Probably served in dribble cups.
Jane,
can you read this without moving your lips?
Heh, only the ones that write for the WaPoo…! ;-0
OFG- cracked me up with that one! ;)
“Most Chicks Are Not Lamebrains”
Another fun blurb from Gibson and Manteuffel, with emphasis added:
Does FDL really want to go wwaaaay out on a limb, and suggest that measuring an indvidual’s intelligence using the average weight of their group’s brains is bad science?
I suppose you are going to take on the science of One Million Years, BC next. I mean, really. That established beyond a doubt (for me, at least) that cave women were totally hot, and I suppose you consider that sexist too?
BTW, is it true that Deborah Howell asked, in the pages of the WaPo, people who did not read the WaPo to contact her? That is another thing I read this week that I am not sure whether it is a joke or not.
Yes, Deborah Howell is a joke.
uh, are you snark-tag impaired?
or, uh, are you serious?
I don’t even know that that means. I am confused again.
did it really NEED a snark tag?
I mean, rilly!
FunnyD
“Yes, Deborah Howell is a joke.”
I’m still waiting to hear the punchline…
You should have them dig threw the trash middens of the Rethugican Party to see if they can figure out why the party went bad and turned rancid.
”New research shows that young girls may learn language more completely than their male peers”
link
Is she a knock-knock joke?
link
WaPoo Bulletin:
Top Doc Sez All Babies Born Male; Penises Removed From Dumb Ones.
/snark?
I bet you could find “artifacts” in the Republican convention garbage that would make a brave soul quake.
uh, maybe not. But, I have been teaching freshmen. And I remember when he called me a Stalinist moderator. It was a dark moment in my FDL history.
cave women aren’t totally hot?
time to cancel the Carlsbad trip.
Laura Rozen project much?
“So, Deborah Howell walks into a bar, and the bartender says…”
i had that same exact feeling, especially reading the chat with allen.
especially when i got here:
Still no link…!
Is that a missing link?
Yes. Jan 27, 2008:
Jeez!
Glad you’re back!
I was asking if you were serious about the first two paragraphs. Sometimes you confuse me.
“…writing another column, right?”
serious, but OT, question:
If elected, will HRC be a threat to Dean’s 50 state strategy? That is my only real concern about HRC -that her crowd will try to bring back the failed DLC electoral strategies.
Is my fear realistic?
I don’t like the obsession with the presidential race. Would prefer to concentrate on how Democratic Party can continue making progress in the right direction, no matter who wins.
Keeping 50 state strategy approach going is one of my obsessions, right next to more progressive and aggressive next Congress. What is best approach to helping keep progressive, grassroots approach to politics alive in Democratic Party?
Keep digging…! ;-)
I’ve hasd it with these fascist freaks. They are a menace to society and should be wiped out.
let’s be careful when straddling that very fine line and not advocate that which will result in comments being pulled
Lord help me. if I ever get Laura Rozen, Lindsay Beyerstein and Jane Hamsher mad at me at the same time. A lot of really stupid men are mishandling this situation.
OT - Alaska’s Governor Sarah Palin announced two hours ago that she is seven months pregnant, expecting her fifth child in mid-May.
First things first;
((((((((Valley Girl))))))))))
Now then,
Is the Post so desperate for material it looks to the cleaning lady?
Or did they find her at the lunch counter?
After reading this post I swooned, had the vapors, pitched right over and hit my head. I will never be able to do math again. Couldn’t do it much before. Wait right there. I have to go pee on a stick in the bathroom to see if I am preggers. Oh wait . . . . I already went through the change. Forgot.
Is Pomfret still employed at the Post-It?
Except I’m sure all the best/worst trash is classified.
FunnyD
spew
Yay, the eliminationists have arrived!
This isn’t very complicated. The just-having-fun backoff has been demolished by the article’s author:
A slam dunk! Offense indended! It is now time for Len Downey and Jim Brady to apologize or be fired. It’s not complicated at all.
They didn’t find her at a lunch counter. They found her at a fascist think tank.
ET…did no one notice your gov was so far along?
Is she married?
boosh has a pooper collector when he travels out of the us to prevent his scat from falling into the hands of enemies of freedom
she hates feminists, but her role model is … Cleopatra??
Oh, oops. Didn’t know there was history there.
What are you teaching (trying to teach?) freshies?
FunnyD
May need to be a contest.
Can you guess the state?
Does anyone really expect anything from the WaPo? It’s been nothing more than a mouthpiece for the neo-cons for a very long time. Only until pressure is put to bear on the editors at such media outlets will anything change. If you thought Allen’s article was bad, just wait until the campaign for the POTUS heats up. McBush will be knighted, sainted, glorified and just a swell man’s man.
But, wigwam, it got better… See 58!
No, the first too paragraphs were beyond snark. I read the article and wondered why reporters are writing science articles who
1) seem to have never taken one science or statistics or math course in their whole lives
2) cannot do on an once of library research
3) cannot spot quacks and charlatans
4) cannot perfrom due diligence in vetting their sources (For many of the awful nonsense I have see published lately, calling the local community college instructor would do).
I asked Watertiger when they killed all the science reporters. She said it was back in 2001.
I wanted to be a science reporter once. Main, that would have been a mistake. I’d have been killed off by now.
The post article was a disgrace, one among many.
Condi’s job?
wow - knew it warm today: but prune season already?
I never even had a Santa Rosa…
ACK!!!!!!!
link
Cleopatra’s her role model? Somebody get her an asp!
Here is a good article about your OT question:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080317/berman
I thought all his traveling poo was collected, whether foreign or domestic.
Which proves my thesis (oft-invoked at watertiger’s):
Hildegard von Bingen was kind of a lunatic and a grouchy one at that.
(((Spidey))) An early appearance for ya! *g*
She could hold a second job. She seems to be pretty idle in the one she has.
wigwam! that is great! Yes, offense intended, as you point out.
What is the Post’s business model?
We already have a tabloid press and sucessful national papers like the National Enquirer which would run any kind of story to drive up circulation and provoke readers.
If the WA PO Editors use freak-show columns to drive up page views and create “controversy” they’re taking on the tabloids.
Once the Post decides to legitimize the Enquirer’s business model, they’ll have their heads handed to them.
Can’t you picture her lounging on a barge?
Spiderpaws, were your ears burning on Sunday? The bear creek firepups were chatting about horoscopes and horses and your name came up….
mr tuttle, am barely awake over here
perhaps it was charlotte’s audition to be the new ann coulter or the new melonie morgan or whatever the post-it was looking for
spiderpaws and neurophius,
I’ve got a picture up at my place, taken fairly recently at the DC Gov’s conference, that makes it obvious. But she fooled a lot of people. She’s slim, hasn’t been jogging this winter like last winter, and has been tending recently to make statements while sitting behind desks or standing behind lecturns.
She’s married, has four kids ranging between 19 and six, I believe. Her oldest enlisted in the Army late last summer. She’s 42, and announced that she and her husband Todd know the baby’s sex, but are keeping it private. I’m sure she had amnio, and the late announcement might mean they were concerned at some point.
She is definately NOT going to attempt to take Ted Stevens’s US Senate seat right now. We may see some other GOP figure declare for that seat by Friday, with this news.
So who is the picture of on this post?
A distant descendant of Mel Brooks’ Piss Boy, right?
Or barging into a lounge?
Wow! WaPo editors need to get their asses kicked. I’m not sure what leverage would cause that to happen. It might take an advertiser boycott. Their world view is unconscionable.
…yes, let us not forget our wonderful wild horses which have fallen into the hands of the bad boys at BLM
That’s what I was saying, you’re an night owl…! *g*
Gives a whole new meaning to “The king looks like the piss boy!”
bargaloungers are in her future decorating plans i’m sure
*chuckles*
I think her campaign is. I don’t know that she has anything against it, but she’s run a big-state party-officials campaign, and the people around her are the people who ran that sort of campaign. It’s possible they would see the value in it, but I wouldn’t count on it.