Comments on: The Worm is Turning http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/04/the-worm-is-turning/ Firedoglake weblog Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:48:26 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: shell http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/04/the-worm-is-turning/#comment-1314452 shell Wed, 05 Mar 2008 06:42:45 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/04/the-worm-is-turning/#comment-1314452 <p>I grew up in Oklahoma, 35 - 50 years ago. Even then, the state was vastly Democrats. But the kind of Democrats who elect Inhofe, etc. It is not socialist, and if it ever was, it was VERY long ago. I doubt it will ever be nearly liberal. Democrat? Sure. But what does that mean? Blue dogs? Shoot. Those are GOP.</p> I grew up in Oklahoma, 35 – 50 years ago. Even then, the state was vastly Democrats. But the kind of Democrats who elect Inhofe, etc. It is not socialist, and if it ever was, it was VERY long ago. I doubt it will ever be nearly liberal. Democrat? Sure. But what does that mean? Blue dogs? Shoot. Those are GOP.

]]> By: shell http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/04/the-worm-is-turning/#comment-1314434 shell Wed, 05 Mar 2008 06:38:02 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/04/the-worm-is-turning/#comment-1314434 <p>So — McCain is the GOP candidate — we have known this for quite some time. Why are the pundits pushing Hillary up? My guess is that they think she’ll be easier to beat.</p> <p>And I have seen Hillary do disgusting things the past 3 weeks — and tell lies. Why do you deny that?</p> <p>And again — the worst is: She and Bill Clinton say they love McCain. In fact, Hillary said she and McCain had the experience necessary to be prez. Obama? Just a speech. (Apparantly the one 4 years ago.) First time I heard getting through college, law school, and decades of work — NOTHING. Yet brain-dead Americans don’t realize she said that THEY were nothings, too.</p> <p>If you dropped out all those with IQs under 100, Obama would win in a landslide.</p> So — McCain is the GOP candidate — we have known this for quite some time. Why are the pundits pushing Hillary up? My guess is that they think she’ll be easier to beat.

And I have seen Hillary do disgusting things the past 3 weeks — and tell lies. Why do you deny that?

And again — the worst is: She and Bill Clinton say they love McCain. In fact, Hillary said she and McCain had the experience necessary to be prez. Obama? Just a speech. (Apparantly the one 4 years ago.) First time I heard getting through college, law school, and decades of work — NOTHING. Yet brain-dead Americans don’t realize she said that THEY were nothings, too.

If you dropped out all those with IQs under 100, Obama would win in a landslide.

]]> By: broadbrush http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/04/the-worm-is-turning/#comment-1312851 broadbrush Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:01:54 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/04/the-worm-is-turning/#comment-1312851 <p>Marquis of Queensbury doesn’t apply in politics.For a guy from Chicago he hasn’t learned much about hardball.Bobby Rush muscled him and he got trounced in Ohio today and in an anti-nafta state against the first lady of Nafta and a Wal-Mart board member and he has done nothing to improve his standing with seniors where he gets absolutely obliterated. After outspending her 3-1.This campaign needs a strategy session.When he played rough in South Carolina his campaign took off- tonight he lost male voters against Hillary-that is hard to do.This will hurt with money as well. His best shot Texas and hugh pressure from Democrats to force her out- but she won’t back down and PA will be tough.Get lawyers for Michigan and Florida and look for an extended nasty fight that will hurt Dems- The answer to are you are fighter had better be Yes I am and you better get ready to fight dirty.</p> Marquis of Queensbury doesn’t apply in politics.For a guy from Chicago he hasn’t learned much about hardball.Bobby Rush muscled him and he got trounced in Ohio today and in an anti-nafta state against the first lady of Nafta and a Wal-Mart board member and he has done nothing to improve his standing with seniors where he gets absolutely obliterated. After outspending her 3-1.This campaign needs a strategy session.When he played rough in South Carolina his campaign took off- tonight he lost male voters against Hillary-that is hard to do.This will hurt with money as well. His best shot Texas and hugh pressure from Democrats to force her out- but she won’t back down and PA will be tough.Get lawyers for Michigan and Florida and look for an extended nasty fight that will hurt Dems- The answer to are you are fighter had better be Yes I am and you better get ready to fight dirty.

]]> By: PetePierce http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/04/the-worm-is-turning/#comment-1312565 PetePierce Wed, 05 Mar 2008 00:30:08 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/04/the-worm-is-turning/#comment-1312565 <p>What you’re going to see a lot of efforts with the press, to pin things on Obama just as Jane has said. The TV are people like Pat Buchanan or Tucker Carlson who don’t want to take a second of time to understand what the context of the Rezko case is, but they feel by learning to say the name they have something to bring up negative towards Obama.</p> <p>Rezko will give TV and some of the print media something to talk about, but is not going to implicate Obama in anything criminal whatsoever except the judgement that since he was considering a run for office and knew Rezko was a target of the feds, he should have cut ties with him them. The more the media tries to smear him with Rezko, the more they will waste their time. The two conservative Chicago newspapers are maximally frustrated because they’ve been playing with Tony Rezko story for over two years and have come up dry on Obama.</p> <p>Note that almost no one on television has a clue what the Rezko case is, or that it has been a vehicle to try to flip witnesses to nail a bigger fish, the governor of Illinois. </p> <p>Fitz is going to fail at nailing Governor Rod Blagojevich aka ‘Public Official A’ though is my prediction, and Fitz doesn’t conduct business at all the way Leura Canary and her husband and Alice Martin did and the Public Integrity section at DOJ that has become a Rove/Gillespe weapon in Alabama does. It would have been a huge mistake for Rove to try to coopt Fitz the way he coopted Canary, and if he had the emails that were discarded, Rove would be residing in the Bureau of Prisons right now.</p> What you’re going to see a lot of efforts with the press, to pin things on Obama just as Jane has said. The TV are people like Pat Buchanan or Tucker Carlson who don’t want to take a second of time to understand what the context of the Rezko case is, but they feel by learning to say the name they have something to bring up negative towards Obama.

Rezko will give TV and some of the print media something to talk about, but is not going to implicate Obama in anything criminal whatsoever except the judgement that since he was considering a run for office and knew Rezko was a target of the feds, he should have cut ties with him them. The more the media tries to smear him with Rezko, the more they will waste their time. The two conservative Chicago newspapers are maximally frustrated because they’ve been playing with Tony Rezko story for over two years and have come up dry on Obama.

Note that almost no one on television has a clue what the Rezko case is, or that it has been a vehicle to try to flip witnesses to nail a bigger fish, the governor of Illinois.

Fitz is going to fail at nailing Governor Rod Blagojevich aka ‘Public Official A’ though is my prediction, and Fitz doesn’t conduct business at all the way Leura Canary and her husband and Alice Martin did and the Public Integrity section at DOJ that has become a Rove/Gillespe weapon in Alabama does. It would have been a huge mistake for Rove to try to coopt Fitz the way he coopted Canary, and if he had the emails that were discarded, Rove would be residing in the Bureau of Prisons right now.

]]> By: goldberry http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/04/the-worm-is-turning/#comment-1312350 goldberry Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:27:45 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/04/the-worm-is-turning/#comment-1312350 <p>Jane, I agree that the media is turning on Obama but I think it would be a mistake to discount Clinton’s efforts. The Cleveland Plain Dealer is reporting a high number of crossover votes and strangely enough, msny of them are voting for Clinton for precisely the same reasons that many Democrats are voting for her. She’s got more experience, she sounds like she knows what she’s doing, the country is a mess, her husband was known for good government and she’s a woman in an historic election season. These are all very good reasons.<br /> What is really strange is all of the people on the left who insist on attributing brilliant politcal skills to Obama. It’s a real mystery to the rest of us who are seeing him as merely an vessel to carry the hopes and dreams of a disaffected left. But he is pretty much turning his back on us to court independents and Republicans. What to make of the enthusiasm for a man with very little track record who has no idea what kind of crucible he has been dropped into?<br /> Those of us, both Democrats and Republicans, who have been burned by inexperienced politicians who had an easy ride are tired of government by personality. We want something more. I keep waiting for the WMD on Clinton that the lefty blogosphere and the media keep saying are there. But I have seen no evidence of that yet. And one stupid vote on the IWR should have been enough to condemn Kerry as well as Clinton. But what we can overlook in a man, we find somehow unforgivable in a woman. What else can we attribute the meteoric rise of an inexperienced man to knock her off the pinacle? He cannot match her in any other way. He even has the backing of establishment Democrats AND many Bush Dogs. I’m surprised at the lack of scrutiny our side has given Obama. Whatever is driving this is as elusive as a bubble and it *will* pop.</p> Jane, I agree that the media is turning on Obama but I think it would be a mistake to discount Clinton’s efforts. The Cleveland Plain Dealer is reporting a high number of crossover votes and strangely enough, msny of them are voting for Clinton for precisely the same reasons that many Democrats are voting for her. She’s got more experience, she sounds like she knows what she’s doing, the country is a mess, her husband was known for good government and she’s a woman in an historic election season. These are all very good reasons.
What is really strange is all of the people on the left who insist on attributing brilliant politcal skills to Obama. It’s a real mystery to the rest of us who are seeing him as merely an vessel to carry the hopes and dreams of a disaffected left. But he is pretty much turning his back on us to court independents and Republicans. What to make of the enthusiasm for a man with very little track record who has no idea what kind of crucible he has been dropped into?
Those of us, both Democrats and Republicans, who have been burned by inexperienced politicians who had an easy ride are tired of government by personality. We want something more. I keep waiting for the WMD on Clinton that the lefty blogosphere and the media keep saying are there. But I have seen no evidence of that yet. And one stupid vote on the IWR should have been enough to condemn Kerry as well as Clinton. But what we can overlook in a man, we find somehow unforgivable in a woman. What else can we attribute the meteoric rise of an inexperienced man to knock her off the pinacle? He cannot match her in any other way. He even has the backing of establishment Democrats AND many Bush Dogs. I’m surprised at the lack of scrutiny our side has given Obama. Whatever is driving this is as elusive as a bubble and it *will* pop.

]]> By: Again http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/04/the-worm-is-turning/#comment-1312213 Again Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:42:55 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/04/the-worm-is-turning/#comment-1312213 <p>Thanks, PetePierce. I really need to get up to speed on this one as I think we’re going to be seeing lots of efforts to pin it on Obama. As Jane states, the worm has turned!!</p> Thanks, PetePierce. I really need to get up to speed on this one as I think we’re going to be seeing lots of efforts to pin it on Obama. As Jane states, the worm has turned!!

]]> By: PetePierce http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/04/the-worm-is-turning/#comment-1312199 PetePierce Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:37:41 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/04/the-worm-is-turning/#comment-1312199 <p>I apologize for the botched link. The link should have been</p> <p><strong><a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-rezkofeb26,0,3564222.story" rel="nofollow">Judge reveals Blagojevich is ‘Public Official A’ who is probably Fitz’s ultimate target with this case as a pathway.</a></strong></p> I apologize for the botched link. The link should have been

Judge reveals Blagojevich is ‘Public Official A’ who is probably Fitz’s ultimate target with this case as a pathway.

]]> By: tw3k http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/04/the-worm-is-turning/#comment-1312192 tw3k Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:34:58 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/04/the-worm-is-turning/#comment-1312192 <p>Here is the <a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/04/if-you-have-any-poo-fling-it-now/" rel="nofollow">poo room</a>.</p> Here is the poo room.

]]> By: apishapa http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/04/the-worm-is-turning/#comment-1312188 apishapa Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:32:24 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/04/the-worm-is-turning/#comment-1312188 <p>From NO QUARTER<a href="http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/04/obamas-dirty-tricks-in-texas-and-ohio-further-evidence-needed/#more-1710" rel="nofollow">SusanUnPC at 16:56:21 </a>:</p> <blockquote><p>I’m listening to an MSNBC report — but it’s backed up about 1-1/2 hours since i’ve been putting it on pause a lot. Interview with Secretary of State of Ohio.</p> <p>ALSO, this report comes from Texas:</p> <p>Reports of at least <strong>10 instances of signing in people using Caucus Signup Sheets </strong>(Actual name is Exhibit A: Precinct Convention Sign-in Sheet) have been reported. The Texas Democratic party is aware of this illegal tactic to stuff the ballot box. People are not allowed to sign these sheets UNTIL the caucus is convened, and that will NOT start until 7:15 p.m. this evening.</p> <p>John Oeffinger has asked that Texas volunteers be vigilant. Hillary tables are for signing in people by getting their names only, but please attempt to verify that this is ALL the Obama people are doing as well. Report any incident as soon as you discover it.</p> <p><strong>The violations are all suspected of being from the Obama </strong>campaign.</p></blockquote> From NO QUARTERSusanUnPC at 16:56:21 :

I’m listening to an MSNBC report — but it’s backed up about 1-1/2 hours since i’ve been putting it on pause a lot. Interview with Secretary of State of Ohio.

ALSO, this report comes from Texas:

Reports of at least 10 instances of signing in people using Caucus Signup Sheets (Actual name is Exhibit A: Precinct Convention Sign-in Sheet) have been reported. The Texas Democratic party is aware of this illegal tactic to stuff the ballot box. People are not allowed to sign these sheets UNTIL the caucus is convened, and that will NOT start until 7:15 p.m. this evening.

John Oeffinger has asked that Texas volunteers be vigilant. Hillary tables are for signing in people by getting their names only, but please attempt to verify that this is ALL the Obama people are doing as well. Report any incident as soon as you discover it.

The violations are all suspected of being from the Obama campaign.

]]> By: kiddo http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/04/the-worm-is-turning/#comment-1312177 kiddo Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:27:51 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/04/the-worm-is-turning/#comment-1312177 <p>In this house we love Asleep at the Wheel. ;0)</p> In this house we love Asleep at the Wheel. ;0)

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