zed

“as Ohio goes, so goes the nation”

Gawd, fire her speech writer.

Are we there yet?

aaargh

One of the most excellent trends we’ve seen continue tonight is the fact that the total Democratic vote is dwarfing the Repug vote. In every single state.

That is the harbinger of things to come in November, and you better believe the Repugs are weeping and gnashing their teeth.

Welcome back to being the permanent minority party Repugs, you deserve it!

only 4.67% of Houston/Galveston reporting so far

Suzanne!

As of 11 minutes ago, Burnt Orange has Clinton with 62 delegates and Obama with 64 from the primary voting. Clinton leads the vote but not the results.

That’s with 54% of the precincts counted.

No word from caucuses yet – some are still going on.

Tomorrow McCain gets to don the mantle of Mr. 19%!

-G

Yes we need to keep hammering this point in. McCain can’t even beat the second place Democrat vote totals tonight!

Remember the math.

Be of good courage.

Defeat the Neocons.

oops that was false, that is the number for one of the CD in houston/galveston

so i may get to vote in PA after all, eh?

Well, unless you move, you don’t get to vote anywhere else.

i’d call in sick if i was him

Reporting in… from precinct 3089 in San Antonio. 85 in attendance, 40 for Clinton; 45 for Obama. 15 delegates/alternates. Clinton took 7; Obama took 8.

Republicans voted at the same polling place. Only 2 Repubs showed up for their precinct convention.

Otherwise, I don’t have any more updated information than you have from CNN.

John W. McCain

John “Don’t call me Bob Dole” McCain

John Cryptkeeper McCain

hmmmm which fits best?

The official branding of McBush!

Gas was $3.49 a gallon at the highest price I saw in Oregon. All the way to and back from Susanne’s the price of gas was going up.
I wonder how that is effecting GOP turnout?

I was thinking Brattleboro might be nice ;)

hahahaha only 2 r’s showed up.

thanks for the report, marilyn

I hope so. My only concern is how biased the MSM is against Dems.

cryptkeeper

Thanks for the report, Marilyn

Marilyn – thanks for caucusing and for reporting in!

Turnout sounds amazing all over – and all the reports we’ve had from firepups have been pretty upbeat about the caucus experience – though some were on long lines, etc.

We had to remove all political endorsements from our person, at least 150 feet from the door to our polling place. Mr. CE had to take off his Dem button. Is this new?

in wangdangdoddle’s response to yellowdog jim @ 129 of the last thead

But we do know it will be a Dem! No Pubs filed to run.

yes.
no republicans are in contention.
three of the four are assistants to Ronnie Earl.
i voted for Mindy Montford.
mrs ydj voted for Rosemary Lehmbreg.
these candidates are an embarrassment of riches.

Current Status of the DeLay indictments

While Earle recently announced that he will not be seeking re-election, he stated that, “There are particular cases pending that are enormously important to this state, this country, and democracy itself. If they are not resolved during the forthcoming last year of my term I will offer my assistance on those matters on a pro bono basis to my successor.” [24]

DeLay and two Republican fundraisers are still awaiting trial. [25]

http://timetheos.blogspot.com/…..birth.html

John “Don’t call me Bob Dole” McCain

my personal fav.

I forgot to say that I am a Clinton delegate to the District Convention.

Biased? Naw… haters more like. The SCLM thing has polluted our political landscape to the point where the media has become not even a lapdog, but a dead dog.

Scenario: McCain is pronounced “King”

The “turnout” says……

I don’t think so…all hell breaks loose…

End of story.

No. There’s not supposed to be campaigning right in front of voting locations. Not new.

TX caucus results finally coming in!

Obama at 56/44 with 5% reporting.

rofl

Completely. Except KO, Stewart, Colbert.

I heard a great one this afternoon, but I can’t remember it now. Dang it.

can’t watch msnbc anymore…forced instead to watch old superfriends cartoon

So will it be the DLC or 100 years of McCain?

Why?

Is telling the truth a firing offense for Obama supporters now?

Inquiring minds would like to know….

In the Rose Garden, no less!

OK, perhaps we’ve never seen the signs before (big international no sign), or,maybe we’ve never worn a button to the polls.

No, it’s not new.

unchanged, 66% precincts reporting

is houston still slow coming in?

I think I want to puke.

McCain’t

Some Houston precints just finished primary voting about 1/2 hour ago.

Holy Cow! Eight threads?! That’s gotta be a record.November is going to be really, really interesting around here come election day.

I have been doing some tinkering with my new site behind the curtain,

Now I gotta talk to somebody familiar with Wordpress to ask some questions about……Moderating comments.

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA.
I FEEL THE POWAH!!!!!

HMMM, I would have to think I could rustle up a couple of mentors around
here somewhere on their day off, if I asked real nice.

MSNBC is reporting that Obama called Clinton.

We had to remove all political endorsements from our person… Is this new?

Rules vary from state to state. Yours may have changed recently, but every state I’ve ever lived in has such regulations.

lol

Looks like TX will be blue in Nov, considering the turn out for rethugs.
Guess they’ll have to get scarry ballot issues to get the voters to the polls.

The MSNBC discussion just now is sorta fascinating – recommending that Obama go nasty on Clinton, etc. Guess they’d like to see the fireworks .. sigh

yep

LOL

Thanks

Jeeesh, just caught up with Thred #7, and #8 already has 50+ comments!

I forgot to say that I am a Clinton delegate to the District Convention.

(APPLAUSE!!)

that’s called job security

SCLM = ?

November should be real interesting the GOP has to stop the blogs from further energizing the Dem base. I expect the trolls to return in force and with new tricks.

Oh please. First of all, I’m only a mild Obama supporter; Progressive first, Democrat second, particular politician third. If Hillary wins, I will still GOTV and donate and ….

What’s wrong Hillary supporters can’t take criticism?

I would think the quote is lame if Obama said it.

It is you that forget that Ohio’s contribution to the presidential election in the past has been suspect. Remember the last one????

1) As mentioned above, past corruption makes Ohio suspect; can’t be trusted as an indicator.
2) Correlation does not equal causation.
3) There is always a first time.
4) If you haven’t noticed, much of the country has already voted
…

LOVE IT!

I caucused in prec # 326 in NW Austin. Around 250 dems showed up, looked like maybe a dozen in the GOP room.

In our caucus Barack took 17 delegates, Clinton 7.

I heard a rumor that the days vote in my precinct was around 227 for Obama, 191 for Clinton. If that is true then the Caucus was cutting in favor of Obama more heavily than the primary.

Going to be a long night, but my gut feeling is Obama will pick up more deligates in Texas than Clinton even if she narrowly wins the primary.

I am suprised it is so close here, but look what big media has done for Hillary in the last 10 days, an apperance on Saturday Night Live, plus a full guest spot complete with softball interview from John Stewart on the daily show just last night. Holy un-tabulated campaing contributions, Batman. That daily show apperance was worth MILLIONS. I’m really pissed at The Daily Show for that. Won’t be watching Comedy Central for a while.

The more you think about it the stupider this one day Texas Two-step system is. What could possibly be the public policy argument on its behalf?

If you are a working single mother or a 75 year old man or a disabled iindividual, it would seem this is a hell of a burdensome system.

Plus, what is the caucus supposed to be measuring that the general election didn’t? Stamina?

I have so much respect for Obama in the way he’s conducted himself and his campaign. I haven’t heard him sling one thing at Clinton. He’s only responded to her attacks, and exceedingly well! Class. Real class.
I hope he holds that!

Thanks Ray,
It just hit me, seeing the big sign with the red circle/slash NO endorsements beyond this line…felt creepy.

OK, just returned from my precinct caucus here in San Antonio (although they’re still going on). The caucus was delayed until regular voting had ended which took quite a long time as the line was L-O-N-G!

There were four precincts together. We broke up into our individual precincts in the school lunch room. There were approximately 20-25 total Republicans across all four precincts. There were approximately fifty or so Dems for each of the four precincts. The split looked to be fairly even between Obama and Clinton supporters.

I left before the voting began on a number of proposed resolutions to push up to the Senate District caucus in late March but in general there were resolutions for:
1. Universal Health Care
2. Get out of Iraq
3. Public financing of campaigns
4. Non-discrimiination

and a couple of other resolutions that I missed.

Da trolls aren’t that clever,they use the same tactics over and over again expecting a different result.

Hey waitaminute, thats one of the definitions of insanity!

speaking of trolls, do we know which bridge rove is hiding under?

Dakine and Dismayed! Thanks for caucusing!

Turnout, turnout, turnout! wow!

and stupidity.

Hopefully one that is getting ready to fall in the river without warning, on his head.

HRC to make SIX morning show appearances tomorrow, per KO.

seems to run smoother in those places that have (a) done it many times before (b) have done appropriate planning

Just home from our Austin caucus in precinct 342 where we had CNN with us all day. 728 people at our democratic caucus in the cafeteria. 30 republicans in the library, all of us at the elementary school in the neighborhood. there are hardly any republicans in this precinct.

my strategy when the polls opened this morning was to explain to people on line for voting that they needed to come caucus because more delegates would get apportioned to their candidate that way. i did it completely non-partisan as i had to, but i figured our precinct was going for obama so the more people who understand why we needed to caucus the better it would work for us. when i left at noon i trained others to take my place for the rest of the day.

normally we get 20 – 40 caucusing for the dems. there were 728 dems tonight! i helped with the tallies with a bunch of obama and clinton folks and a judge. clinton got 34 delegates to the state senatorial district convention and obama got 69. i’m one of the obama delegates. we then split up and the clinton folks went to the library, all 30 republicans having finished quite early.

and i was working also at the caucus having all the people who signed in to caucus and willing to be a delegate or alternate sign up. that way those who didn’t wait for the count could still be added. after the count there were 62 people present who wanted to be delegates, so we don’t have too many we need to add. we’ll try for 69 delegates and 69 alternates. i’ve got a list of about 100 names (some are overlap) of willing obamans that we can fill out our delegation from.

tomorrow i’ll get together with the precinct caucus chair for obama and we’ll start assembling our delegation.

and that’s the report from precinct 342 in austin. skies are clear.

Congratulations and the thanks of a grateful Lake to all who caucused and voted today!

I’ll pass, I’m still upset with her

I have the impression that he’s set some boundaries on what he’s willing to do to win – and so far he’s stuck to those. I respect that and keep hoping we are a country that does not require trash and burn campaigning to reach victory … a better politics would be good for all of us.

well, with the way our infrastructure is holding up, that could be any, I’ve got a few levees down here in new orleans we could stick him near…

Kudos to you both, Dismayed and dakine01. Are either of you going to be delegates Saturday, 3/29? I signed on as an Alternate.

thanks for the report

Rove is busy working with the Canadian government.

No Dems want that I’m for Obama my Brother is for Hilary. Going negative only weakens us! I want more talk about the issues. If it were not for Ohio there would have been no talk of NAFTA.
Now we have both Dems saying they will change/add ecological and labor parts to the treaty.
Hilary went after Obama for saying he would use Mercs. Obama pointed out he tried to get oversight for Blackwater.
In a sense the candidates are out Lefting each other as well as attacking each other.
Corporate America and the MSM wants them to just go negative. We want the issues. I’m betting gossip fades before new ideas do. WE ARE WINNING THE LONGER THIS FIGHT GOES ON.

AH! i feel better for reading that! Thanks gw!

Greenwarrior! I’ve been following your reports today about helping folks understand the process – bravo for that! so cool!

And wow to the turnout – and delegate-hood!

Awesome, greenwarrior!!

was shipping him up there part of NAFTA? ;-)

Check this out. This is Central Texas stuff..look at the counties’ results:

http://www.news8austin.com/con…..nty=Travis

Greenwarrior is jammin!

The more we talk issues the better – that’s for sure.

MSNBC calling primary TX for Clinton …

Hillary! WoW!

MSNBC just called Texas for Hillary.

KO calls TX for Clinton

MS-NBC just called Texas for Clinton.

I have to agree, but it’s time for him to go on the offensive, with class of course. He can’t continue to play defense. His speech tonight was great, but he played defence yet again. He’s got to start going after Hillary. He’s not going to be saying anything McCain won’t say in November, so as long as he stays out of the mud with it it’s the thing to do. Already McCain is parroting Hillary against him.

Start punching, Barack. Just not below the belt.

oh, totally. He’s said we need to change politics, and he’s doing it in his own presentation.

Hill is now projected to win Texas…

Wonderful news!!

Oh,boy. Keith is projecting Hill as the winner in Texas.

I think we Democrats have to stop fighting and get united. As a compromise, I suggest that we give our candidates a choice. Like one person cuts the cake and the other chooses, I suggest that we let them choose between

Person A – 4 years as president

Person B – 4 years as VP, then up for election for 8 as president

Let them decide which suits their purposes better – a short stay as president or taking the back seat first.

How can they call it? Houston Galveston has barely started reporting.

Oh, crap. Timmeh is a psychologist again.

I thought he was on offense, but gently, tonite: “John McCain and Hillary Clinton want….” He repeated that construction several times, tying them together, and I bet you’ll hear it more in the days to come.

Cnn just called texas for hilary

hey, cool. i’ll see you there.

just the primary though

Just noticed:
Mean Jean Schmidt 58%
Brinkman 39%
Bailey 3%

Even the Rebubs don’t like Mean Jean!

And no call from caucuses or any delegate counts yet – Burnt Orange has them evenly split on primary delegates at 63 each.

Marilyn…maybe that precinct was odd. But wasn’t San Antonio supposed to be strong “Hillary country”?

Bummed that Glen Maxey didn’t do better for Tax Ass/Col. :(

And how can I guy with the name Sam Houston lose in Texas? :)

Oh, crap. Timmeh is a psychologist again.

Is he projecting again or just acting like an asshole? or both.

The delegate totals are the key.

Hillary is still in, but…..we’ll see…

May the best Dem win and defeat the Neocons….take them down!

There was an old time democrat at my caucus who explained that normally the caucuses got about 6 people to show up (mostly party insiders) who got to chose 30% of the delegates. It’s just a hangover from the bad old days when party insiders made it so they could have extra clout in the elections.

That said, mine was a pretty positive experience, despite some shitiness by some of Obama’s supporters. I wouldn’t want to have to do it every election, that’s for sure. But you could argue that it builds party infrastructure and involvement. Before Ned Lamont I had never contributed to a campaign. Now I’m a Hillary alternate to the State Senate District Convention in Bexar County. And for me Hillary was only the lesser of two evils (cuz Edwards dropped out). Plus I met a lot of interesting people.

I am from Iowa and have participated in may caucuses. Yes, in Iowa we know how to do them,but believe me, there is nothing like a straight secret vote to select your nominee. A caucus, even when run well, is not a good system.

I signed on as an alternate. I nominated and got my neighbor elected as a delegate so we’ll be going to the county together.

LOL the comment from the folks over at Burnt Orange Report

11:50pm (Phillip) – MSNBC has called the race for Texas. Umm..OK..

Hat-tip to you, Loo Hoo.
Faith rewarded.

Sandman, I don’t understand.

In response to yellowdog jim @ 47

LOL

Thanks

(thief takes a deep bow for the stolen wise crack he purloined he knows not where)
my pleasure.

Latest comment from Chris Bowers is interesting:

Still A Volatile Campaign: Clearly, there is still a lot of volatility in the electorate. Obama won early Texas voting 50.6%–47.7%, and was tied or ahead among likely Texas voters just four days ago. However, three days of bad media for Obama, and Election Day voters seem to have swung in favor of Clinton by about ten points (and yes, the polling did see this coming tonight, within 1% of current margins). With the wild swings in this election, clearly, nothing should be taken for granted in the future. Of course, after tonight, Obama will still comfortably lead even with Florida and superdelegates included.

Right — Obama may well walk away with more delegates than Hillary tonight. But in terms of spinning the supers, the headlines will read that Hillary won three out of four…

Hi Suzanne.

Rove is busy working with the Canadian government.

Oh Rob, don’t even joke about that. I’d find him and kick his butt directly to The Hague.

In my humble experiences in the past few elections, it hasn’t mattered what our ’secret’ vote was as our vote didn’t count anyways

Results in Travis County, according to your article:

Primary votes cast for:

Barack Obama…~106,000

McCain’t…………..~19,000

Looks pretty convincing from here.

For all the negatives about caucuses, look how many Firepups are coming out of those caucuses as delegates, etc …. that is party building!

Sounded to me like it was against Hill, but more importantly pro McCain. Delicate balance between the dems.

I may be nuts, but I think that the more it drags on, the more excitement builds …

Loo Hoo. March 4th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
103

Oh, crap. Timmeh is a psychologist again still.

Fixed it for you honey.

Thanks for that, LS.

Looking at the senate districts that have not fully reported, it bodes better for Obama than Clinton

Excellent editing skills.

Lordy, my ass is gonna be dragging at work tomorrow…

Yeah, I’m sorry to see Glen Maxey going down too.

Obama’s folks just forwarded the link for his speech:
http://my.barackobama.com/page…..sen/gGB2yx

If I get Clinton’s I’ll forward that as well.

Interesting demographics – Republican vote is older and rural. Dem vote is urban and younger – both bode well for the future.

We’ll see! I’m more interested in hearing about the call from Obama to Clinton. If he would give it up now, (which I don’t expect) that would be soooo cool for our team if he was the VP.

Anybody paste this yet?

VIC WULSIN BEAT REPUBLICAN-IN-DEMOCRAT CLOTHES IN OH-02

With over 72% of the precincts in OH-02 counted, Vic beat him in every county (See note about Clermont below). So far 45,000 Democrats have voted in the congressional primary, while 32,000 have voted in the GOP primary (which was also contested– Schmidt getting 56.72% of them). On the presidential level in OH-02, 46,000 Democrats and 34,000 Republicans voted, One of the most corrupt counties in America– when it comes to voters fraud– Clermont (which has a sordid history of just making up election results) hasn’t reported any precincts yet, as is their custom. Like Vic, Schmidt beat her two opponents in every other county.

What the…? Senator Clinton only has an outside shot to end up with more pledged delegates.

For a sitting Congresswoman to get 60% of the vote, is very poor showing.

I’d love to see them spend $30M in Pennsylvania with all of it going to claiming to be the better cure for Bush/McCain. I’m afraid, though, that it will get increasingly bitter and negative and that the Rs will just have us carrying their muddy water for them. How do we get the two of them (especially Hillary) to run a positive campaign (or at least an anti-republican campaign) when the negative stuff she usd in Texas and Ohio worked?

Ooops! Asked in the wrong thread:
Why does Texas have Primary and Caucus? What is the significance?

Just found something I need to bone up on…

http://www.robertsrules.com“> Robert’s Rules of Order and its up-to-date current edition, Robert’s Rules of Order Newly Revised.

well, they need to focus on john mc

Thanks, Busted!

Also these caucuses were also party meetings where resolutions and other elements of the platform and strategy were discussed for the State convention. They’d also select representatives foir Congressional and local races.

What has happened, especially in this election, is that everything has become so much more “democraticized”…even the caucuses. And remember that Texas didn’t have Primary elections until just a few cycles back.

Eventually, perhaps it’ll all go on line…or sadly for party involvement activities…everything will be decided in a primary election. There is something special in getting people out to meet neighbors and seeing the faces and hearing the views of fellow voters.

*waving* how ya been?

Good god; MSNBC now callaing Texas for Clinton. Methinks they are premature. Mehopes so, anyway.

I was wondering why I was talking to myself downstairs — new thread, and more than 77 comments already.

I hope the Rose Garden Party tomorrow is covered on all networks and cable channels. I want them to interrupt the soaps and Oprah, if need be, to show McCain with his Number One Fan, Preznit Nineteen Percent.

have the book…have memorized that thing

Screwed that up good.

Robert’s Rules of Order.

Very roughly speaking, the primary allocates about 2/3rds of the delegates while the caucus allocates the other 1/3rd.

I’m not that suprised, I’ve been calling Texas for the GOTV for hillary for about 2 weeks… they women there were really riled up for hill

How will we recognize you?

From Burnt Orange report

(1) Harris County had a precinct that was still voting a half hour ago. There were several thousand voters in one spot. There were also some precincts in Harris County where, possibly, no votes were counted — the disk was lost or damanged, which means 10,000+ votes haven’t been counted. (These are all from my friend who is watching TV in Houston and telling me what’s going on).

this was just posted

wow, wangdangdoodle – that is a great link. I have always wanted to know that stuff, and now that I’m getting more active locally I need to know it!

Hey diving champ! I’ve been great but really really busy — getting ready to take my painless, continuous diabetes monitors to human trials. Haven’t even had time to lurk much. But I had to drop by the Lake tonight!

Same here, I caucused tonight as a total newbie, but everyone there was so friendly and helpful!

I’m with you on that cinnamon! Getting people to actually participate, talk to neighbors, get to be delegates, etc … it builds the party!

bad link wdd.

The Texas caucus counts won’t come in for 4-7 days in all probability.

And everytime someone is on a program from Urban Radio=black radio, the host makes the point as on Charllie Rose and Tweetyball last night, that the major democratic votes left in the South, besides Hispanics in border states who don’t historically turn out near as well as any other group (hopefully they will in the general), is that most blacks are saying if they’re disinfranchised after Obama wins delegates by anything Dean is now forced to do with Michigan and Florida, they’ll stay home in the general.

If that happens then there’s not likely to be a decisive victory over McCain, and there is the very real specter that if she were the nominee, Clinton could mobilize/galvinize the Republican vote in numbers never seen before in any election.

Hi! Are you the FDL friend that I met last year who had a medical history past?

Texas Primary and Caucus is explained by Wayne Slater at Democracy NOW!

http://www.democracynow.org/20…..maries_and

[SNIP]

AMY GOODMAN: Wayne Slater, you write for the Dallas Morning News, co-author of Rove Exposed. Talk about the unusual system in Texas. You have both a primary and a caucus for Democratic voters. How did that happen?

WAYNE SLATER: Basically, it was the product back in 1988 in the Democratic Party of a reform movement. The idea was that the party officials wanted to get Democrats more actively involved in the affairs of the party, so they thought if we hold a caucus on the evening of an election, a primary election, we could have real people show up, get involved in party affairs.

But what’s happened is that this primary process has become very complicated, very contentious. And so, what you have are about a third of the delegates tonight are going to be decided by the popular vote across the state, and then people who have voted at one point, either early or today, go to their caucus tonight, maybe at a school or a firehouse or somewhere else, where they’ll vote again and distribute another one-third of Texas delegates. We may not know how that full distribution goes for a day or two.

AMY GOODMAN: But explain how that whole system took place. I mean, it’s one of the only places in the country—it’s not for the Republicans, is that right? —a caucus and a primary, only for the Democrats.

WAYNE SLATER: That’s right. Again, it was a product of people wanting to bring Democrats into the party in an active involvement…. (Continues)

True, but

the longer this goes on to get a Dem candiate, the less money there will be left to spend on the Presidential election.

Here you go…

And, right on cue.

Keep scrolling, I fixed it a little further down.

undecideds broke for Hillary.. wonder why

Both Obama and Clinton could lose to McCain. I don’t want us thinking that McCain can’t win. We’re going to have to fight every day to win that election. The Electoral College does not like us.

Guilty. Howhave you been?

A gas leak at one Harris County center delayed the vote count for a bit

Shorty before 10 p.m. Harris County officials reopened the center at 6005 Westview in the Spring Branch area as utility workers looked for the source of a small natural gas leak.

”It’s moving forward now,” said Harris County Sheriff’s Capt. Russell Sutton. “We’re started letting the judges in.”

County officials kept precinct judges from dropping off election results while the source or the leak was investigated. When employees from the CenterPoint gas utility arrived, the center started to receive vote totals again.

The vote count was also slowed because precinct judges at 50 or 60 locations decided to conduct caucuses without dropping off primary results first, as instructed, county election officials said.

“There’s going to be a lot of this, and we knew there would be,” said Johnnie German, the election administrator for County Clerk Beverly Kaufman.

In Harris County, voting was held at 784 polling locations for 874 voting precincts. Some boxes of returns might not come back until after midnight, German said.

During the day, poll workers had trouble getting machines up and working at a few sites, including Westfield High School, where all 10 voting machines were down when the first rush of Democratic voters arrived. Elementary school art teacher Lakeitha Bassett said she waited there an hour hoping to vote, but had to leave by 8:15 a.m. to make it to work.

We got there, ya did good. i have it saved and will likely get it tomorrow. I definitely will appreciate having some light shined on many areas of personal WTF!
Truly wangdangdoodle! Good move putting that up.
ty

Even better, here’s the free Robert’s Rules.

Just got into my place in the Warehouse District of Minneapolis after a long five-hour layover in Cincinnati after missing my connecting flight, heading back into the country from Paris…and wow!

MSBNC calls Texas for Clinton. The cab driver driving from the airport had NPR on, and at that point, TX hadn’t been called yet. What the f*ck happened? I’ve been in transit all day..so somewhat out of the loop. Will probably be up to speed by tomorrow–

Much needed break from FDL–even only for 24-36 hours or so…*g*

I’m really surprised they are calling this so early. Just taking a look at these two very large counties and you’ll see why.

I got these from the Texas State Secretary of States Office just minutes ago Harris

Dallas

Great, actually.
We attended meeting in Paris in Sept. 2007, to plan a history of medicine meeting in Edinburgh Sept. 2008, theme: models and simulations in medicine. This includes many media.

McCain starting with his shrub endorsement tomorrow, as the talking heads have been saying is going to start to define (they say) Obama, but my guess is he’ll start to define both.

They say Obama not as a projection of anything, but that McCain will spend much less time defining Clinton because the RNC and his strategists feel that Clinton is pretty well defined for their potential voters and established voters who are already behind him.

So while it will be very interesting to watch and see what happens now that Dean and whomever, Gore, Pelosi, people who have DNC power to make decisions, and the rest of the states weigh in, in one very real sense the thugs are high fiving themselves because they enjoy seeing the dems claw this out, and because a lot of money will be spent by both Dem campaigns that they could have put towards defining McCain and going after him.

Welcome Bio! Christy turned us into a NO POO ZONE, and I’m devistated by the results tonite. And we’re trying to be really civil.
:)

Updated TX caucus results:

Obama 54/46 with 13% reporting.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/20…../state/#TX

wdd and newtonusr thanks for the good link. i need roberts rules too.

marilyn, it’s great you’re a delgate. i’m going to district 25. where do you go?

wdd, dismayed are you both in district 25?

Can’t hang any longer…

G’nite pups!

They are “calling” all kinds of shizzola….the votes are not yet all in. We will see. The turnout is enormous, that is the good news. No more Bushco types…that’s for sure.

Glad you are back on terra firma.

nite wdd

Cava

The face of misogyny: Portrait of a Perfectly Perplexed Pundit (to put it politely).

It’s just crazy to call it so early with several major urban areas still far from being counted.

Here’s Harris county as of minutes ago.

Hillary Clinton Early 66,221 37.38% Late 102,791 40.13%
Barack Obama 110,072 62.14% 151,966 59.33%
———– ———–
Total Votes Cast 177,131 256,117
Early Provisional Ballots Reported 253
Total Provisional Ballots Reported 266
Precincts Reported 297 of 875 Precincts 33.94%

yeah, along with the news article i posted, i’m really confused why they are calling so early

wdd, the Freebe! I owe ya!
nite nite!
:)

*waving to the leaving sleepy pups*

RobZuber March 4th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
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Both Obama and Clinton could lose to McCain. I don’t want us thinking that McCain can’t win. We’re going to have to fight every day to win that election. The Electoral College does not like us.

That’s why I would love for Clinton and Obama to run together.

We have allot more money than they do. Plus a longer campaign means free press every state win means a Democratic victory speech on National TV.
Hilary and Obama both give better speeches than McCain

Congressional 10.
Senate 14.
Leg 48.

G’nite all!

thanks, sweetie. i’ve got them both saved now and will look at them in a couple of days.

No matter what happens, we have to be united…we are not the Homeland, we are the United States of America, and Bushco has to go. The whole world is watching. Fight on!!!

if there are any Central Texans still awake – just checked Bell County site, home of Fort Hood one of two largest concentration of military personnel and families in US – yup, 20% more Dems voted than Pubs – booyah !

Obama – 57%
Clinton – 41%

and a local kid, first timer, overall rec’d 10,000 more votes than DeLayMonkeyBoy John Carter and it is so past time for that moron to go

All Power to the People !

greenwarrior! If you’re still around — loved your caucus report. See several others on previous threads.
Think yours had the biggest numbers. I’d guess around 250 at mine, 400 mentioned in Killeen….but 700+!!!Woohoo!
Dems are gonna crush the Rethugs in Texas this year. I’m looking forward to taking this state back.

Woo Hoo!!!!

This is the candidate I’ve been giving tiny donations to for a couple of years now. I’m not even in her district but I really like her, and can’t wait until she wins. Thanks tw3k!~

ooh … Chuck Todd going after Mark Penn … fun to hear

And another county still hardly counted is Dallas.

Hillary Clinton Early Voting 41,318 33.52% Late Voting 65,946 36.46%
Barack Obama Early Voting 81,245 65.91% Late Voting 113,893 62.97%
Bill Richardson 139 0.11% 208 0.11%
———– ———–
Total Votes Cast 123,260 180,868
Early Provisional Ballots Reported 0
Total Provisional Ballots Reported 344
Precincts Reported 248 of 695 Precincts 35.68%

Pretty clearly many of the larger urban areas are going for Obama and these results are yet to be processed.

Time for this sleepypup to hit the sheets. Bye all! I’ll try to be less scarce.

You know there hasn’t yet been a mistake by the networks using their various services (they say they use VNC, themselves –people like Chuck Todd and statisticians–and other services so that they can have moultiple sources for their projection). I can’t remember very well because I wasn’t following other primaries this closely in past years, when there have been “projection mistakes”, but there could be one with Texas.

Fight on!!!

The Republican primary race has been over for awhile. I don’t think the turnout numbers are as significant as in earlier races, especially in states with open primaries.

The general election will be close. It will not be easy to win.

Exactly. The results will go up and down.

Yeah, because winning 12 primary states and being ahead in delegates doesn’t count. Sheesh!

PetePierce- Hillary is not going to be forced out. She just won 3 of 4 primaries. The Ohio win was huge.
Now, for several days you hve boldly predicted she would taken out tonight. A week ago, I thought so too, but Obama made an unforced error
with the NAFTA snafu. It cost him today.
The fact is that the Democratic electorate simply has not selected a nominee. We have to live with that.

g’nite lake people.
you’re the best.
:)

Why isn’t Tweety complaining about the Pollsters getting it wrong tonight?
Perhaps because in New Hampshire the MSM and him in particular were accused of playing the tape of Hilary crying and throwing the election to Hilary.
Today the polls might be wrong but Tweety could not care less.

i’m still here. thanks. i’m still waaaay too wired to go to sleep.

Yeah, but she’s got about 80,000 votes on him at the moment and that’s going to be hard to make up even with the big counties still out.

As for why things pulled her direction in the last few days. Well, big media did it. All week they’ve been reporting on her “comeback”, and she got the best free media money can’t buy with the apperance on SNL and the super plush apperance on the Daily Show last night. I mean 15 minutes of free time to pitch her stump with John Stewart acting like a high school boy with a crush.

Media wants this contest to go on, they made it happen. Rating man. And well, the pro Israel lobby is a lot more secure about full support from Clinton. Hillary can’t match Obama in fundraising, but wow, what do you think that Daily Show apperance was worth.

Look for more of the same, big media wants a brokered convention. I was pissed when I saw the Daily Show last night – Probably more than doubled the value of Hill’s media presence in both states. Priceless and doesn’t even count as a contribution.

jeez

I tried to sleep but am still too tense. I was listening to CNN on the radio and realized that although I dont like Hillary and never have shed may be the better candidate.
I felt a little better then thought that if Obama conceded for the good of the party, we could have a win-win Clinton/Obama

I feel so much better and we would beat McCain

I think you have to remember that they are factoring in the expected results in the cities … but these “wins” do not count delegates or caucuses results.

Winning primaries gets the press excitement but the strategic win is the pledged delegate count.

Except that the gap is widening still, not narrowing.

Hey Margot,
What a day!

But you could argue that it [caucusing] builds party infrastructure and involvement. Before Ned Lamont I had never contributed to a campaign. Now I’m a Hillary alternate to the State Senate District Convention in Bexar County. And for me Hillary was only the lesser of two evils (cuz Edwards dropped out). Plus I met a lot of interesting people.

I love that! And yes, I think that’s the good thing about caucuses. When people come out, it’s inspiring, and really revs up the participants. Those who don’t come out, not so much, of course.

Are these guys gonna pull an all-nighter on MSNBC? That’ll be somethin’….

That is the most important goal. Beat McCain. No more Pukes.

Hah! I forgot to mention in my caucus report earlier that the only people who were still there when we left was CNN. All by themselves in the empty cafeteria.

One other aspect if African Americans in the South were to stay home if they felt they were disenfranchised besides potentially losing the general, is that the down ticket races for seats in the House, particularly and a few in the Senate that are up because there are Repubs retiring, and the Senate.

There are people emerging very recently in several southern states that I know about now to challenge Senators that are recently perceived to be vulnerable because of the huge Democratic turnouts using the reasoning that there will be such a strong Dem turnout in the general that it will give these downticket races for Congress a boost. Of course the other side is likely to turn out in huge numbers just given the issues alone.

I felt a little better then thought that if Obama conceded for the good of the party,

??? Senator Clinton has only a small chance of passing Senator Obama in pledged delegates. Why would the leader consider conceding?

I think we could figure out a way to trick the media into another Tweety effect of negative press coverage so bad that it produces the opposite effect.
The public hatred of the press for their prowar, the economy is fine, gas prices don’t matter mantra of lies is looking for an excuse to boil out.
It might even erupt again without our help.

Burnt Orange’s latest notes on TX:

Why I’m hesitant about the numbers: (1) Harris County had a precinct that was still voting a half hour ago. There were several thousand voters in one spot. There were also some precincts in Harris County where, possibly, no votes were counted — the disk was lost or damanged, which means 10,000+ votes haven’t been counted. (These are all from my friend who is watching TV in Houston and telling me what’s going on).

I’d also like to remind everyone what I wrote several weeks ago, in my “How Barack Obama Can Win in Texas” post:

Senator Obama could come close to Senator Clinton in the “primary” portion and dominate the “caucus” portion — the only catch is that those 67 votes that come from the “caucus” system won’t be known until June and the Texas Democratic Party Convention.

If the expectations are that Senator Clinton will win and perhaps even dominate in Texas, then even Senator Obama finishing close on Election Day — with an understanding that he will do well in the future caucuses — could be enough to count as a win for Senator Obama.

So what’s happened tonight? I’m still not convinced TX is over, but if it is, it’s still really, really close (they’re going to be counting for 3 more hours out there, folks). Either way, he has gone from (1) Clinton dominating TX to (2) Obama almost (and maybe still) splitting/winning the popular vote, and he’s still winning the caucus system.

The only thing that’s changed, then, is how we’ve defined a “win” in Texas.

I didn’t turn thr tube on all night and i am going to sleep better for it I bet.
What happens happens, they might have their shit together by 6:30 AM Left Coast time tomorrow.
If not, I will tune in to coverage at the lake. ;)

think about it the AA’s could still be proud and we would be real Democrats and reslove without any more hate.

me too

boa noite, siri

Didn’t the Clinton campaign tell us after Iowa that it was “all about delegates?” And it still is. Clinton’s three state wins enabled her to stay in the race tonight, but their difference in delegates is the same, or maybe Obama pulled ahead, we won’t know until the caucuses are in from Texas.

The campaign that designed its campaign to win delegates is — surprisingly — winning delegates. And the campaign designed to beat John Edwards decisively on Super Tuesday is losing.

what do you consider a win?

AA’s?

Probably not in the far north precincts, however.

because when they talk together the handwriting is on the wall,Clinton will win and it would be better without anymore fighting.
I still prefer Obama but what if we could have a win/win

OT: Yet again Glenzilla shreds the Washington Press Corps:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/g…..index.html

How hard must he beat them, before they learn?

There were also some precincts in Harris County where, possibly, no votes were counted — the disk was lost or damanged, which means 10,000+ votes haven’t been counted. (These are all from my friend who is watching TV in Houston and telling me what’s going on).

This is very disturbing to hear.

African Americans sorry

No more hate, just stop the Neocon takeover of America.

Thanks….I’m dim…!

What do you think?

Hi Chris! I had to wait in line to vote. Not very long line but still. I voted with a paper ballot, so nice.

fresh (well, not much poo) thread upstairs.

How bout poo, poo, poo, bacon and poo? That’s not got much poo in it.]

I just think every voter has to cast their vote and that vote must be counted. So far, the people have spoken..they have come out in droves, and they want peace and a different direction. They don’t want more Bushco.

There will be no Clinton/Obama ticket. There will be no Obama/Clinton ticket. If the delegate lead is not honored the party will collapse. HRC salivating at the prospect of a prostrate Obama accepting the so-called defeat and inheriting the larger measure of support that he has built only to subvert and co-opt it is a pipe dream of immense proportions. That support will evaporate totally. We will not settle for half a loaf. Get this through your heads now. It is not negotiable. Arguments over using the superdelegates to put HRC over the top are unacceptable. The candidate endorsed by Rush Limbaugh will not be tolerated. Negative campaigning may soon be answered in kind. Mississippi and Wyoming will be huge losses for HRC. Pennsylvania is a closed primary, so you can’t rely on help from Rush or Fox there. HRC will never agree to do-overs of Michigan and Florida because she will surely lose, especially in Michigan. This is the landscape. Make your choice. We have recruited and enthused millions of new party members that will be irretrievably lost with a brokered HRC nomination. Once again, as your heads are so incredibly thick, these are the facts: the delegate lead is largely unchanged, we will not surrender, and it will be on your heads not ours. Reap the whirlwind.

LOL at “democratic caucus”.

LOL at bad losers before they’ve even lost.

Likewise.

If Dean lets MI & Fl count, he’ll have a huge mess on his hands in 4 years. How many states will change their primaries? I don’t see how he can count them with out all hell breaking loose in 4 years. It would hurt the party too much with all this in fighting amongst our selves about primary dates.

I don’t have a horse in the race, Carlos. I just want a Democrat to win in November. I’m not particularly impressed by Obama or Clinton. They’re both centrists. Threatening not to vote for the other if your guy doesn’t win is horrible though. Us vs Them does not start in the primaries, buddy.

North Carolina and Indiana will be repeats of Maryland and Virginia. But of course, forgive my ignorance, those are states that don’t matter.

BTW, I will still pull the lever for Clinton in November if this dark outcome comes to pass. But 90% of our newly recruited membership won’t, even if Obama begged them to.

She certainly is not going to be “forced out.” I never thought she would quit and in fact, said I didn’t think she would quit if she were beaten decisively into 2009. She has not won Texas yet. Projections have been wrong before, and a lot of Texas is not reported. And I think you’re forgetting one thing about delegates. (I’m not arguing with you btw). If you take the map of Texas and you take a yellow marker along the border–the bottom–the panhandle–anything that borders anything else in the south–she’s won strongly there and she gets diddly squat as to delegates there exactly as Chuck Todd has said.

But the large urban areas like Houston have weighed in yet. So I’d hold off saying that she won “3/4″ When you say that, even if she wins Texas narrowly as to delegates it’s all about where she won. And he will probably come out of Texas very well off delegate wise.

And I did think Obama would win Texas, and if you believe that Texas is going to automatically follow MSNBC’s projections, I think that’s far from unsettled.

Whatever voters do in any state, I accept. I don’t put a lot of stock in anything coming of lawyers filing complaints for either campaign, like the ones that have been reported and pasted in the last several threads and lots of blog sites.

I would wait though before you call this a runaway victory for Clinton tonight to see how many delegates that she actually gets.

I would say this. As I’m typing it Rachel has cosmically said the same thing. It’s time for Obama to take the gloves off. Clinton is clawing and she’s going as negative as it gets. There’s no turning back. She offers a plethora of opportunity for Obama to go negative.

I know I’ll get flack for saying it’s time for him to go negative but look at what’s happening. Negative is helping her–although I can’t say exactly how much it helped tonight. And if anyone says “woe is us we don’t want negative campaigning–well Hillary has forced it now. Unless you’re dreaming she is hitting Obama as hard as she can. He has no choice but to hit back. I won’t bother to post about 15 areas where he can start hitting, and I’m well aware that this helps McCain, but either Obama goes after her or he has to watch the Super Delegate game play out.

And again–I’m happy to accept what people vote and choose. I got to vote. I grew up in a state that doesn’t get to vote until May. One of my best friends there is a freshman in Congress. All of us who grew up with him were thrilled to see him get there. I know he wants his constituents to be able to count just as much as I wanted to vote, and it’s not a state that Obama is picked to win.

I agree with you as to NAFTA’s impact today in the vote– but not the reality of what’s going on for people in Ohio. From all I can tell NAFTA might have worked well for Hillary in Ohio. And to me that’s the difference between perceptions that people like Penn and Axelrod use in campaigns and reality because as this article points out very well, although people in Ohio might think NAFTA is hurting them severely economically it most likely is not near as important as other factors.

This is the article I like that I think illustrates the reality of NAFTA as opposed to other factors that are hurting people economically in states like Ohio.

The Politics of Trade in Ohio

Maybe the flap about his economic advisor and Canada hurt him there–I don’t know but I’ll guarantee you that Obama didn’t know about discussions he had or intimations he might have made with Canadians until very recently.

I think also the red phone and the negative campaigning that Hill did that Obama didn’t do hurt him tonight. Boy I sure need to hear “3am red phone” a few thousand more times this week so I’ll remember that two commericals were made using it.

I think he is forced now to go negative towards her. That isn’t me saying anything negative about her btw in this post–it’s just a fact of survival. Once a candidate has made it clear they are going negative, you don’t have a lot of choice but to also go negative when it clearly seems to be working. And as everyone knows, the long time now that the dems will duke it out is very significant for them individually but it’s also very significant for the Dems together in “defining McCain” as the talking heads are saying over and over.

District 25…whoopee, let’s find each other.

Texas

78 % reporting
Clinton 1,243,244
Obama 1,159,320
difference 83,924

82% 1:15 abt
Clinton 1,275,744 16d
Obama 1,191,488 10d
difference 84,256

83 % abt 1:22
Clinton 1,287,764 16d
Obama 1, 196, 275 10d
difference 91,489

84 % reporting abt 1:26
Clinton 1,295,845 16d
Obama 1,202,562 10d
difference 93, 283

84 % reporting abt 1:28 am
Clinton 1,300,899 16d
Obama 1,205,310 10d
difference 95,589

84 % reporting abt 1: 36 am
Clinton 1,302,460 16d
Obama 1,207,222 10d
difference 95,238

85% reporting abt 1:50
Clinton 1,309,673 16 delegates
Obama 1,212,480 10 delegates
difference 97,193

Also BTW, we are not at all worried about our candidate be tarnished in November by HRC’s last minute negative ads. It is not a problem.

Get ready for our long-term campaign. HRC’s short-term strategies will lead to her destruction.

The electorate shall become educated that trying to win the nomination with Rovian tactics doesn’t work with Democrats, especially amongst the progressives.

Hi Dismayed,

Re:

I was pissed when I saw the Daily Show last night – Probably more than doubled the value of Hill’s media presence in both states.

It strikes me that you might be a bit histrionic here. I have figures from about 18 months ago indicating that at that time The Daily Show had an audience of about 1.4 MM per night. Extrapolating that figure to today, that would be somewhere between 1.7 and 2.0 MM viewers across the country.

Using 2006 Census Bureau statistics, TX, OH, RH and VT represent about (36.6/300)% of the U.S. population or about 12%.

12% of 2 MM Daily Show viewers is about 240 K viewers in the 4 states that had primaries/caucuses on Tuesday. Assuming, wildly, that 25% of Daily Show viewers are so superficial, shallow and insipid as to be swayed by a gratuitious display of Hillary shilling, that would be about 60,000 people swayed by Clinton’s “Daily Show” appearance.

There will be slightly over 5,000,000 votes cast for either Obama or Clinton when the counting is done in Tuesday’s primaries. 60,000 is 1.2% of the vote. I can’t say that I’m persuaded that Jon Stewart has much of an influence on the outcome.

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What is of more interest to me is that John McCain received around 1.4 MM votes in the four primaries, which is less than 30% of the combined total of Obama/Clinton. That, I think, is a significant fact.

I think the pic of Obama in Muslim garb hurt him alot.
And if he makes it to the general election it’ll probably be used over and over again, along with his unusual name…
Why didn’t he change his middle name a long time ago?

I agree with you. CNN reports that Obama is up by 81 delegates at this moment: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/20…..orecard/#D

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If I were a Hollywood script writer, I’d have been proud to call the Tuesday, March 4th Act — “Cliffhanger, Redux: The Revenge of Super Tuesday Indecision”

I think the pic of Obama in Muslim garb hurt him alot.

I tend to agree, knowing my neighbors as I do.

But the real question is, who leaked the picture? Should we trust Drudge to be telling us the truth? Did Clinton decide to play that terror card? I sure wouldn’t put it past her. But then again, the Clintons haven’t exactly been the best Drudge sources over history…

So, which candidates are the most beholden to and influnced by the Neocons?

Interesting comment. Doesn’t sound to me like this is a person who just makes threats. I hear commitment. Anyone with a “d” after their name will do? I don’t think so.

I know this is wild speculation, but maybe Clinton won today because more Democrats preferred her as their presidential candidate than preferred Obama.

Carlo, I’m interested in knowing is the “90% newly recruited membership”across different age groups or within a single age group?

Good points all around. But put the daily show with SNL and all the “comeback” press she got this week, and it had an impact. The timing of her appearance on the daily show was no accident.

Barack made a mistake or two, and he’s playing defense when a little offense is now called for.

I’ll give Hill credit for a little more metal than I figured she had here in Texas. I’m suprised, never expected it from talking to folks around town here, but Austin isn’t Texas, and she adjusted and come across pretty well lately.

Yeah, I’m over reacting, but media did step up for her, and it sure helped. And I’m still peeved at Stewart.

Done, girl.

I would bet money the Clinton campaign called and asked if she could be on the Daily Show just like McCain did a couple months ago, IIRC. Stewart pointed that out in the interview that they called and asked to be on the show. McCain isn’t what typical Daily Show viewers want to see.

I know this is wild speculation, but maybe Clinton won today because more Democrats preferred her as their presidential candidate than preferred Obama.

I suspect the two were equal, or that Obama was ahead, but that the Republican ”cross-overs” [a la Rush] is what did it.

NB: blockquote no-workee.