[FDL is pleased to welcome Scott Horton, who writes No Comment for Harper's, to discuss politicized prosecutions and the Siegelman case for today's installment of First Monday -- our monthly legal discussion in conjunction with Alliance For Justice. As always, please stay on topic and take any off-topic comments to the prior thread. Thanks! -- CHS]
Last Sunday, CBS aired its long-awaited feature on the prosecution and imprisonment of former Alabama Governor Don E. Siegelman.
The CBS piece, for which I was repeatedly interviewed, came through on its promise to deliver several additional bombshells. The most significant of these was the disclosure that prosecutors pushed the case forward and secured a conviction relying on evidence that they knew or should have known was false, and that they failed to turnover potentially exculpatory evidence to defense counsel. The accusation was dramatically reinforced by the Justice Department’s failure to offer a denial. It delivered a fairly elaborate version of a “no comment,” and even that came a full twenty-four hours after it had conferred with the prosecutors in question. The gravity of the accusations made and the prosecutors’ failure to deny them further escalates concerns about the treatment of the former Alabama governor.
Republicans Lead the Attack
But the show was dominated by one of 52 former attorneys general from 40 of the 50 states who have called for a Congressional probe of the conduct of the Siegelman case, former Arizona Attorney General Grant Woods. He leveled a series of blistering accusations at the Bush Administration’s Justice Department. With the Alabama G.O.P. this evening issuing a near-hysterical statement in which it characterizes the CBS broadcast—before its transmission—as an anti-Republican attack piece, it was notable that Woods, like the piece’s other star witness, is a Republican. Not just any Republican, either. Grant Woods is co-chair of the McCain for President leadership committee, and a lifelong friend and advisor to the presumptive 2008 G.O.P. presidential candidate. Woods is also godfather to one of the McCain children.
Attorney General Woods has this to say about the Bush Justice Department’s prosecution of Siegelman: "I personally believe that what happened here is that they targeted Don Siegelman because they could not beat him fair and square. This was a Republican state and he was the one Democrat they could never get rid of."
In other words, not being able to beat Siegelman at the polls, Woods believes that his own party corruptly used the criminal justice process to take out an adversary. This is an extraordinary, heavy accusation. Not something that a senior Republican would raise easily about his own party. And the facts back the accusation up, beginning to end.
Crimes for Democrats, Fundraising as Usual for the G.O.P.
Start with the notion that the conduct that figures in the accusations is actually a crime. The basic charge is that businessman Richard Scrushy gave $500,000 to the Alabama Education Foundation, a vehicle Siegelman created to run a campaign for a state education lottery, and Siegelman in exchange appointed him to the state’s hospital oversight board.
WOODS: You do a bribery when someone has a real personal benefit. It’s that you’re exchanging an official public act for a personal benefit. Not, “Hey, I would like for you to help out on this project which I think is good for my state.” If you’re gonna start indicting people and putting them in prison for that, then you might as well just– build nine or ten new federal prisons because that happens everyday in every statehouse, in every city council, and in the Congress of the United States.
PELLEY: What you seem to be saying here is that this is analogous to giving a great deal of money to a presidential campaign. And as a result, you become Ambassador to Paris.
WOODS: Exactly. That’s exactly right.
Indeed, Karl Rove pursued financing for the Bush-Cheney campaign in 2000 and again in 2004 by organizing a special elite status—called “Pioneers” and “Rangers”—for persons who donated or raised $100,000 or more for the campaign. These donors understood that if they wanted to be appointed to a government office, like an ambassadorship, they only had to ask for it.
So how many Bush-Cheney donors in amounts of one hundred thousand and more were appointed to government offices or to positions in the Bush-Cheney transition team? The answer is one hundred and forty-six (146). And in how many of those cases did the Justice Department initiate investigations of corruption? The answer is zero (0). The Justice Department’s rationale is that this crime is one that can be committed by Democrats alone. When a Republican does it, it’s normal campaign fundraising.
False Evidence
But even if we accept that it’s possible for the Bush Department to create a new category of “Democrats Only” Crimes, we still have the basic fact that the evidence on which the Siegelman conviction was secured was false, and was known by the prosecutors to be false from the beginning. Indeed, the evidence of this is now so overpowering that the Justice Department refused to answer charges on camera, just as it has resisted Congressional demands to turn over documents and wrongfully failed to comply with FOIA requests. The key testimony at trial came from a man named Nick Bailey, who, unbeknownst to Siegelman, was a crook. He never contested that fact. And he’s now in prison, where CBS interviewed him—notwithstanding the Justice Department refusal to authorize an interview. The prosecutors nabbed him and then told him he could get a light sentence if he worked with them to nail Siegelman, their real target. This very process is a perversion of the justice system, which as former U.S. Attorney Jones very properly says, requires that prosecutors investigate crimes and not people. But it gets still worse. Bailey testifies that he saw a check change hands at a meeting at which Scrushy’s appointment to the oversight board was decided. This is the evidence that landed Siegelman in prison. And it was false. And the prosecutors knew that it was false.
JONES: They got a copy of the check. And the check was cut days after that meeting. There was no– there was no way possible for Siegelman to have walked out of that meeting with a check in his hand.
PELLEY: So, Siegelman could not have had that check–
JONES: No.
PELLEY: –in his hand that Bailey–
JONES: It was–
PELLEY: –testified to seeing?
JONES: Absolutely impossible and they knew that, absolutely impossible.
PELLEY: That would seem like a problem with the prosecution’s case…
JONES: It was a huge problem especially when you’ve got a guy whose credibility was going to be the linchpin of that case. It was a huge problem.
So the Justice Department’s silence in response to the charges was masked with a platitudinous statement. They stated that Siegelman’s case was pursued and developed by career prosecutors, that it was based on the law, and justified by fair evidence.
Each of the statements is about as honest as Attorney General Gonzales’s statement, under oath, before Congress, that he just couldn’t remember any details concerning any decisions to fire eight U.S. Attorneys on December 7, 2006. Which is to say, they are false.
First, we know that the first two career prosecutors assigned to the case, including the most experienced prosecutors who worked on it, came to the same conclusion that Grant Woods did: no reasonable prosecutor would ever have charged this case. The Justice Department has consistently made false statements about the roles of the two earlier prosecutors, and their role only emerged in the last few months. It’s extremely noteworthy that throughout the history of this case, whenever a career prosecutor concluded that charges should not be brought, that career prosecutor ran into a bump in his career and was off the case. The message to the remaining career prosecutors was plenty clear. In fact it is clear that the career prosecutors’ views were overridden by political appointees driven by a strong partisan political agenda.
Second, they claim that the case was brought on a fair reading of the law. It was not, and indeed reasonable career prosecutors never would have acted on the basis of the reading they advanced, and a fair detached judge never would have allowed the case to go forward. This case offered neither.
Third, they claim that evidence was produced to sustain the charges. But the key evidence that the prosecutors brought forward was false, and they knew it was false. In this case proceeding on the basis of that false evidence was a corrupt wielding of prosecutorial power, pursued for a corrupt partisan political end—the elimination of a political adversary. They withheld the Bailey notes which would have demonstrated that his memory on this was conflicted or wrong and would therefore have devastated his testimony. There is mounting evidence that one or more witnesses were unethically pressured to give false evidence or face retaliation. This suspicion surrounds not only Nick Bailey, but also Jefferson County Republican Commissioner Gary White. Note the affidavit of his wife, which a federal judge in Birmingham stated only two weeks ago he found “established a prima facie case of impermissible conduct” by the prosecutors. The claim put forward there goes precisely to these facts. White was pressured to give false evidence supporting Bailey on his false claims about the meeting. It is suggested that he would be prosecuted if he failed to do so. He refused, saying the testimony would be false. And he was prosecuted. This seems to summarize the crooked criminal justice system that Karl Rove and his friends have promoted in Alabama.
This is Only an Introduction
CBS conducted dozens of interviews and has much more that it hasn’t shown. The additional footage concerns the Canary team—husband Billy who advised the campaign of Republican gubernatorial candidates against Siegelman, and wife Leura Canary, whose prosecution of Siegelman was essential to the G.O.P.’s efforts to secure the Montgomery statehouse. And they have much more on the inexplicable conduct of federal Judge Mark Fuller, appointed by George W. Bush, a former member of the Alabama G.O.P.’s Executive Committee, and a man who publicly stated that Siegelman had a grudge against him—but who refused to recuse himself from the case.
The Significance of the Siegelman Case
On December 7, 2006, Alberto Gonzales fired eight U.S. attorneys for refusing to implement a program of political prosecutions. Many observers at that time notes that the case of the eight terminated U.S. attorneys might ultimately prove far less interesting that the 85 U.S. attorneys who were retained. The Siegelman case suggests this approach has merit. The two U.S. attorneys involved here—Alice Martin and Leura Canary—are Rovian models of politically engaged prosecutors. As the case continues to be investigated, I believe there will be a strong focus on them and their ties to the Bush White House. They both have a tight connection to Karl Rove, through the same figure, Billy Canary, a man who worked with Rove for 17 years.
But as I have argued in “Vote Machine,” this is but one manifestation of an overall phenomenon of modification of the Justice Department for partisan political purposes. The shift in policies and personnel in the Civil Rights Division, and particularly in the arena of voting rights, is another clear example. The accelerated hiring of partisan hacks to fill career positions. The prosecution of “voting fraud” cases consciously measured to dampen minority turnout at the polls. The prosecution of political figures and donors associated with Democrats, with prosecutions timed to overlap with election cycles.
Michael B. Mukasey has promised that this political process will end on this watch. But there is no evidence so far that he has recognized the problem or that he has taken any steps to end it.
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Scott Horton is a legal affairs and national security contributor to Harper’s Magazine who teaches at Columbia Law School. A life-long human rights advocate, Scott served as counsel to Andrei Sakharov and Elena Bonner, among other activists in the former Soviet Union. He is a co-founder of the American University in Central Asia, where he currently serves as a trustee, and has been involved in some of the most significant foreign investment projects in the Central Eurasian region. Scott recently led a number of studies of issues associated with the conduct of the war on terror for the New York City Bar Association, where he has chaired several committees, including, most recently, the Committee on International Law. He is also a member of the board of the National Institute of Military Justice, the EurasiaGroup and the American Branch of the International Law Association and a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. He was a partner at Patterson, Belknap, Webb & Tyler until January 2007, when he left to write a book on private military contractors and to manage a project on that subject for Human Rights First.
(Above is the first part of 60 Minutes’ report on the Siegelman case. Part II can be viewed here.)
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Great to be with you here at Fire Dog Lake. This is Scott Horton standing by for your questions and comments.
Welcome to FDL, Scott — so glad to have you here today to talk about the Siegelman case and the politicization issues with the DOJ.
There are so many troubling issues surrounding this case. Based on your extensive research on this case, what have you found most troubling.
my god, what an incredible expose documenting the depravity of those in this administration and those he is not only happy to hire but cherished
every single exposure makes these despots even more brazen, they no longer even have to deny their depravity, they are content to sit and say;
“so what”
“so friggin what”
“what the frig do you plan on doing about it?”
this congress had better get on the ball, there will be even more depravity as they become even more exposed and we are in tons of trouble
Scott — one of the continuing questions that our readers have had is what is taking so long with the transcript from the trial court? We know that the initial court reporter passed away, but why has there been no expedited transcript done in the months since then, since the case is to be appealed. Any insights on that?
Hi Scott, thanks for coming to talk with us.
I was notified by one of Siegelman’s lawyers on Saturday that he had been told that the transcript was now finished. So evidently, it could be wrapped up almost immediately after it became a focal point of reporting critical of the Judge, Mark Fuller, on MSNBC’s Live with Dan Abrams.
The court reporter who sat through the trial was suffering with cancer and died shortly thereafter. This would have caused some delay. But I believe it was taken as cover to delay Siegelman’s appeal for half a year or longer. Given the technology available to court reporters today, this transcript could have been completed in a couple of weeks. And it was Judge Fuller’s responsibility–not to actually prepare the transcript, but to be sure that it was done. This was consistent with a series of other steps that Fuller took to slow down the process. The objective: be sure that Siegelman served as many weeks in prison as possible, before his case is reviewed and, quite possibly, thrown out.
I think the Bush League Administration is trying to “run out the clock” on the Siegelman case and the entire U.S. Attorney scandal.
Do you think the 60 Minutes broadcast finally got the story to break through?
Do you think there will be justice, at least of a sort?
Also, Scott — the immediate Rove denial and his subsequent walk-back, with the attempt to play the “you show me what you have” game with CBS and others is amusing, considering it’s the very same behavior we saw from him during the Fitzgerald grand jury investigation. He and Luskin would front out any number of theories and spin to attempt to flush out information from the media as to what they had been told, and it often worked. (Viveca Novak, comes to mind.)
How much should Karl be sweating at this point, in your opinion? Considering the various ties he has to so many aspects of this, and his past dabbling in AL politics…
Scott,
What is the remedy for all these abuses?
He’s probably way too busy attenuating prosecutors and investigators handling all the information Abramoff has spewed, or trying to derail the Alaska legislative corruption investigations, or keeping Domenici out of jail, or keeping his dozens of inept prosecutors from screwing more stuff up, to get to anything remotely resembling “ending this political process…”
This trainwreck at the DOJ will continue unabated until noon on January 20, 2009.
Mr. Horton, I read your blog daily…outstanding content and writing!
Frightening, these and other political prosectutions. I had a brush with a federal attempt at similar myself. In this case DOJ had returned a letter to my agency that I had done nothing illegal…the agency pursued anyway (another story).
The Nick Bailey info should result in a mistrial declared. Shameful prosecutorial misconduct!
The frightening thing is, this could be done to anyone the administration doesn’t like! Amazing what this country has come to.
Has Alice Fisher effectively squashed the Abramoff investigation?
The most disturbing things here all relate to the conduct of the Justice Department. They include: (1) manipulation of the prosecution by Karl Rove, (2) the case being brought for political reasons by two US Attorneys who were politically active (one the wife of the man who helped run the campaign of one of Siegelman’s Republican adversaries), (3) violations of clear-cut ethics rules by prosecutors at many points (for instance, having the wife of the attorney for William Pryor cut a plea bargain deal with a person who was bringing evidence against William Pryor–and then decide not to use it), (4) cajoling, threating and pressuring witnesses to give false testimony, and (5) the suppression of exculpatory evidence. But the point that circles over them all is the double standard: the Bush Justice Department is applying a concept that it applies only to Democrats, not to Republicans. That is the very definition of corruption.
Having practiced in WV as I have, I could not imagine that our tech practices in federal court could be that different from those in AL. (We tend to be on the back end of upgrades, as I’d imagine some areas of AL are as well.) And no federal judge here would have tolerated a delay that long, given how there are almost always back-up provisions for coverage in case of illness or other emergency with a court reporter.
Very interesting indeed to see that a little media spotlight made such an impression on the presiding judge, I must say. Probably just a coincidence. *G*
Scott, welcome to the Lake, and thank you for being here.
In your investigation of this case, did you ever get the sense that this was the tip of the iceberg?
Thanks for taking the time to talk today. I’ve heard that William Pryor is potentially involved, or is implicated in the same “scandal” that took down Siegelman. What, if anything, do you know about Pryor’s involvement? Is his seat on the court of appeals potentially in trouble?
Assuming, of course, that the Bush administration does “run out the clock” on this investigation (and I think it’s a fair assumption), what is the likelihood that a Dem AG appointee (John Ewards, for instance) could/would prosecute those responsible for this atrocity…to the fullest extent of the law (as they say).
I live one city block away from Heather Wilson’s (R-NM) district. Her grandstanding during the Republican walk out two weeks ago has become a major issue in her fight with Rep. Tom Udall for Domenici’s soon to be vacated Senate seat. I have repeated blasted Heather on walking out of a contempt citation vote for Bolten/Miers for not testifying on her meddling with Domenici on the firing of David Iglesias.
The entire Republican part needs to be indicted for racketeering under the RICO statutes.
I agree. If you look at the way DOJ has responded to House and Senate inquiries about the U.S. Attorney’s scandal and related matters, it becomes pretty clear that they have one objective: get to January 20, 2009 without doing anything. In fact there is a major internal ethics inquiry pending against one of the U.S. Attorneys who went against Siegelman, Alice Martin. She is accused of having perjured herself in an employment dispute. The DOJ has been “examining” these allegations, which are open and shut, since 2004! Nothing has happened in four years. Amazing.
Hello Scott – thank you for keeping the Singelman case in the foreground. I figure it doesn’t take the whole country, just a few well informed people can make a difference in this case. Having said that, how can lay people like me be effectively involved to turn a political justice department around so it serves the people and not an administration? I don’t want to see this become the new status quo.
Hi Scott–
Wow that was quite a comprehensive introduction. It took me a while and I need to read it again a couple times. Thanks for that.
Welcome to FDL and thanks for coming and for your outstanding digging into the details of this case which to me is a metaphor for the way that Rove, Addington, Cheney, Gonzales, Miers and many from DOJ and the West Wing basically seized DOJ and used it as a tool for prosecuting successful Democratic candidates. They also inserted people like Monica Goodling who actually vetted Immigration judgees and installed many who never litigated in a federal court room–but that happens at the appellate bench level as well.
I have had some questions based on your articles and articles on the web I’d like to clear up. Christy has done some articles that have been excellent here in looking into this as well.
1) Give your article recently on Judge Fuller’s business dealings –
Siegelman judge’s firm got $18 million contract
It seems that Siegelman’s lawyers –Vince Kilborn and the other one assisting him would have had grounds for recusal prior to trial and certainly now with a probable appeal of that motion to the 11th when and if Fuller denied it.
was trying to clear up a couple points I haven’t been able to on the web.
I know the appeal bond issue is separate from the appeal of the conviction. A lot of people become confused over this, but in the Eleventh Circuit you’re basically arguing in the context of
US v. Giancola 754 F. 2d, 898, 901 (11th Cir. 1985)
as well as of course that the client is not a flight risk/harm to the community per the statute.
My understanding is that the Eleventh Circuit issued an order on November 7, 2007 that asked Mr. Kilborn and the government (Franklin is now acting there I believe) to file briefs (30 page limit) and then they could file reply briefs (15 page limit). I saw from the Alabama papers that Kilborn filed a brief on February 19 that I assume was in the appeal bond matter.
I don’t believe Kilborn has filed a brief on as to the conviction yet, which by 11th Circuit FRAPS would start the clock on the actual appeal, and my figures might be a bit dated, but it’s pretty much been the last few years that in the Eleventh Circuit about 17-18% of appeals make the cut for oral argument.
Do you have any info on the status of the appeal bond issue–i.e. have the reply briefs been filed which would put the release decision in the lap of Judges Marcus and Black right now who were drawn to make the appeal bond decision>
Do you know when Kilborn and the attorney helping him plan to submit their brief for conviction?
I shot an email to Vince Kilborn a few minutes ago.
And another question… Is there much hope that Congress will take significant steps to exercise some oversight of the Department? Any indications that there is a willingness to take real and meaningful action on the part of congressional leadership? Or are they essentially trying to run out the clock, as well?
Scott,
Thank you for your efforts and information. As one who lived through all the H2Ogate craziness, I never ever would have thought we’d reach a point where John Mitchell and Richard Kleindist would look like honest, constitutional lawyers in comparison to the current world.
Scott I have been following this story for a while now and you by far have been uncovering most of the facts on this sorry attempt by Rove to use his influence on politics as a tool to gain power for the Republican party by the justice department! Pleaase keep up the good work of uncovering the travesity that has befallen the justice department!!
http://digg.com/politics/First…..cal_Prosec
Karl Rove is going to be taking questions at the Uof I this weekend. I know someone who will be asking a question. What would be the single most important question to be answered? Thanks.
Welcome, Mr Horton, and thanks for the comprehensive explanation of this travesty. For someone coming to this story late, can you explain what the GOP found so terrifying about Siegelman as governor that they would go to these lengths? Were all these machinations simply to keep the statehouse in GOP hands, or was there something particularly worrisome about Siegelman specifically that made this huge illegal effort worthwhile?
Thanks for continuing to bring sunshine to this story; if Siegelman is ever a free man, it certainly will have a lot to do with your efforts, sir.
The sad fact of the matter is that the government has always had that power — which is why there are safeguards which have always been built in to check with regard to federal prosecution and potentially loaded political prosecution questions. That none of these were followed in the Siegelman case — especially that the opinions of the long-time employees who were AUSAs and not political hires were utterly ignored (and these people in effect demoted and shoved to the side to silence the criticism there) should have been an enormous red flag to the oversight folks in DC. That this never raised an eyebrow, yet alone serious questions about what was being done, is beyond appalling.
Those safeguards and stopgaps which previously had separated the DOJ from the political shop at the WH were there for a very, very good reason. The questioning that Sen. Whitehouse did on that when AG Gonzales and Kyle Sampson testified about the USAtty firings was heated for very good reasons. (If you’ll recall the chart that Sen. Whitehouse produce showing the enormous shift in those contacts from the Clinton years to the Bush years, you’ll see why that was so eyepopping in light of this case and the implications that has for so many others.)
Hi Scott
I read your site everyday, and I find you one of the most learned and best writers on the web. I have followed the Siegelman Chronicles since June, and always look forward to you exposing another criminal activity by our current administration. I LOVE my country, but everyday I become more ashamed of how low our ethical and legal morals have descended in the last 7+ years.
This might not be the forum for this question, but I will give it a go anyway. During the Muckasy hearings, you mentioned how you studied(?) under Muckasy, and thought(knew) that he was a decent person, and a Great legal mind. I know you have been dissapointed, so far, in his becoming the newest of Bush’s lapdogs. My question: How can honest, decent men( think Colin Powell, maybe not many others) let Bush Whore them, and ruin both their reputations and profesional ethics, for the privilage of serving under the Worst President Ever? Does he have extra-strength Kool-Aid, or these guys just like being used? I KNOW that this question also refers to so many of our DOJ lawyers who have forgotten that they work for America, not the Republican party.
It’s clear that the Abramoff query trailed off into Alabama, where we say a sizeable eight-figure sum pumped into G.O.P. election efforts. Michael Scanlon who was Abramoff’s “evil twin” was formerly a key staffer to Bob Riley, the man elected as governor of Alabama. When I started tracking the Siegelman matter I kept noticing an amazing coincidence. The people pushing the attack against Siegelman and apparently taken as highly credible by federal prosecutors in Alabama, were individuals who figures as suspects in the Abramoff investigation. Moreover, the two U.S. attorneys in Alabama who should have been pursuing the Abramoff case were off doing other things — in fact, the Siegelman case emerged as their major “public integrity” matter. I don’t think this was a coincidence. Much of the “steering” that goes on at DOJ is “resource allocation,” and this was a heavy allocation of prosecutorial resources for a corrupt purpose — taking down the former Democratic governor — and keeping attention away from the Abramoff debacle, which had the potential of compromising the Alabama G.O.P. hierarchy.
Oh, and thank you, Scott. Both for being here at FDL and your exhaustive research on this case.
The new reporter wrote the Chief Judge of the Eleventh Circuit and asked for an extension to complete the transcript and Judge Lanier Anderson gave her an extension through March 31. I believe that Siegelman’s attorney could actually file his appellate brief given the circumstances, and make a motion to suppplement his brief filing with the completed transcript so the transcript completion was I think, a read herring considering what could have been done procedurally with the Eleventh. This is not the first time something like illness or I’ve seen moving to another state delay a transcript and an extension was gotten by a court reporter.
Also this does nothing to delay the appeal bond timing. Fuller did that both times he was ordered by the Eleventh Circuit to write a memorandum opinion, but that’s not unusual either. I’ve seen district court judges and their law clerks irresponsible enough to hold up an appeal bond decision two full years when motion to make them issue an order had to be made to the Eleventh Circuit. It is abusive and they do it all the time. Not every defendant has the publicity train that Governor Siegelman fortunately has.
Are there any prospects for disciplinary or criminal proceedings being launched against Canary? Against the district judge in the Siegelman case?
What recommendations would you make to an incoming president and his or her AG in the next, presumably Democratic, administration to investigate, clean up and repair of the destruction wrought by this administration?
sorry but the answer and question preceding it, “you’re absolutely right”? It is either out of context or two completely different things. If someone sponsors a state charity it is not even close to the same thing as giving money to a presidential candidate. One is helping the state, one is bribery.
I don’t follow that line from the interviewee?
Scott — THAT is fascinating.
If Siegleman is found to be innocent, what, if any, charges can be brought against the people involved in falsly imprisoning him?
William Pryor is the man who hatched the Siegelman prosecution. He started piecing together a case against Siegelman almost as soon as Siegelman was elected governor, and he consistently attempted to push the charges off on the U.S. attorney’s office so he himself could sit in the backseat. Interestingly, one of the key allegations against Siegelman came from a man named Lanny Young. When Young came in, he detailed specific allegations of petty corruption against Siegelman, and far more substantial allegations against Pryor and Jeff Sessions, the Alabama senator. The U.S. Attorney had her first assistant, Julia Weller, negotiate a plea-bargain with Young. Ms. Weller is the wife of Chris Weller, who was William Pryor’s attorney. So it would come as a surprise to no one that all the accusations against Pryor, and his mentor, Sessions, were dropped, and only the charges against Sessions went forward. This gives you a taste of the rancid “ethics” practiced by the Justice Department in this case. It is the strongest case of selective prosecution I’ve ever seen. But federal judges have life-time tenure, and it takes a special vote of impeachment in the Congress to remove them.
I had no idea this went so deep in the GOP. I knew there were others but this is quite a revalation. Thank you for so much excellent information. It certainly reflects your extensive research.
Unfortunately, and cynically I know the questioning Whitehouse did has effectively ended any significant systemic revamp of DOJ although I know you’ve pointed out that Mukasey has hinted he may make some constructive changes.
I’ll be bold enough to predict and you’re seeing that Mukasey has become a huge roadblock into significant investigation of any of the controversial issues (former wiretapping prior to 911 beginning 2000 or a Special Counsel that Siegelman’s attorney has requested, and of course the requests of Congress to move forward on the contempt citations).
I don’t think you’re going to see any Special Counsel out of Mukasey or signigicant changes at DOJ. He’s there for 11 more moths to hold the fort for Bush, Cheney and obstruct completely and that he will do Christy.
Ethics have taken a back seat, if not thrown out all together, by many professionals in this administration. The law-abiding, and those who would not “bend” the law are forced out of civil service, as I have been.
I often wonder how far up in DC my situation was discussed.
The disregard for law is rampant in many federal agencies now, taking the lead from the top. Though DOJ takes the cake for going even farther.
What are the chances of a Democratic President adding 1 or 2 more justices to the Supreme Court?
The appeal in chief (i.e., not the motion to set governor Siegelman free on bond) is awaiting transmission of the record on appeal from the District Court in Montgomery. This is the transcript issue.
And IMPEACHMENT as we know, apparently of any kind, is off the table for the gutless/spineless Democratic “leadership”.
Thx for coming; I check your column daily.
Catching up with comments now…
This is new information to a lot of us and I hope you and others possibly Christy have the contacts and the means to give this aspect of this sitaution some real legs.
You don’t believe that the request by anyone–Siegelman’s attorneys or anyone in Congress for a Special Counsel has a chance of an icecube in hell do you Scott given we’re talking about Mukasey?
The “passion” and techniques employed against Siegelman seem a mutant strain of the variety that spent eight years ginning up attacks on the Clinton’s via, eg, the Arkansas project.
The Republican “playbook” rears its ugly head again.
And yet the Democratic “leadership” hasn’t the will to hold impeachment hearings.
I would have made a motion to the Eleventh Circuit to supplement my brief with the transcript if I thought I could get it done in time to make a difference. We’re now talking about March 31 given the letter that Judge Anderson wrote to Risa the new court reporter.
I’d imagine given the appeal bond briefs and the case load of the attorneys that it’s going to take them time to get their initial brief done on the case in Chief anyway. You might have answered this but I wondered about the timing of the brief of the case in chief but also if Vince Kilborn and the government had gotten in the two briefs (30 page and reply briefs) on the appeal bond in which case the appeal bond decision is then in the lap of Judges Marcus and Black.
Mukasey’s position on this has consistently been that he will “look at it” after the appeal is completed. This is completely absurd. The question he needs to look at is not whether Siegelman is guilty or innocent, but whether the Justice Department figures involved in the case have violated the basic ethical rules governing their conduct. The evidence of that is overwhelming. The case should have been taken out of the hands of the prosecutors in Alabama and given to independent career prosecutors long ago. Mukasey is simply engaged in a cover-up.
Mr. Horton,
Kudos to you on your masterful series on the Siegleman travesty in Alabama! Please keep up the good work and, when you have a moment, a comment on Mukasey’s thumbing his nose at the House would be appreciated.
I first saw this story weeks ago on Raw Story (but Scott, I like your coverage and was glad to see 60 minutes pick this up). I’ve been calling my reps. (Pelosi, Boxer and Feinstein) and am disappointed that none of them seem to be doing anything about this. I thought for sure Feinstein would make the connections with the fired US Attorneys–which she did speak out about. This is so discouraging. Thanks for keeping up the pressure and connecting the dots.
I can’t comment until the case is settled has become the #1 response to any question posed to the Bushistas.
Scott -
These trumped-up charges against Democrats in leadership positions. They have been going on for years. There are some legitimate cases (Jefferson of Louisiana) but they don’t seem to have much interest there. It s a well organized endeavor. Do they have a name? Is it an organization that focuses on this stuff?
In a sense, this is not so far out there as other requests. Siegelman objected to the U.S. Attorney in Montgomery — the wife of the Republican operative who ran a campaign against him — handling the case. The DOJ agreed that there would be an appearance of impropriety. So DOJ has already acknowledged that this calls for a special prosecutor.
The problem came in that they didn’t appoint a real special prosecutor. They simply installed Leura Canary’s head of the criminal division, Louis Franklin, as the special counsel. But he is not independent. He works in her office, has his paycheck cut by her, gets his performance evaluation from her, etc. And the way he behaves shows it. So what’s needed is for the Justice Department to APPOINT A REAL SPECIAL PROSECUTOR. It’s only a half step. But I think they’re bedded down and determined to ride this out, so no I don’t expect them to do it. It would suggest too much justice, after all.
I have thought precisely the same thing. I think many lawyers who worked in DOJ at a time when there was a lot more ethics and integrity will come to that conclusion soon as as they watch so many matters unfold.
I wonder if DOJ is not gearing up in the Northern District of Illinois to go after the governor of Illionois as the Rezco trial cranks up Wednesday with Pat Fitz. I’m not suggesting that they would do it in the way this has been done, but to me this situation is like a 40 foot hole in the middle of a 4 lane street you travel every day. Mukasey cannot be allowed to sweep this under the rug. Thanks for your stellar digging and reporting and Christy and Marcy Wheeler’s as well.
Yes……..it’s called the Republican Party.
Of all the people at DOJ who you would most like to question under oath, where would you rank Noel Hillman?
This may be a stupid question, but what’s to keep them from falsifying the court transcript?
I agree. I never considered Canary, Alice Martin or Franklin independent or honest since this case started in any respect.
This case has a stench to it that spans both oceans. I am frustrated that MSM hasn’t picked up on this and really drilled it the way you are, given the ridiculous things that catch their attention.
I hope you get some reward for the reporting.
Mukasey didn’t come off well when he went before the Senate to approve his appointment and Democrats alike also approved him.
There are backups of these transcripts and the attorneys who are excellent have a vivid idea of what happened believe me, and they will go over it with a fine tooth comb as usually happens and so will the defendant to the degree that he can. I don’t know what was used to record in the trial court maybe Christy or Scott does but there are backups.
Noel Hillman is an interesting figure–he’s in the background in all the political prosecution cases. He insists he is all about good government, but even his DOJ resume lists New Jersey GOP politics among his top pastimes. Still, in the Siegelman case, Rove’s connections run straight into Alabama itself–he is very close to William Canary and his wife, and he seems to have copious connections to Alice Martin as well. So there doesn’t appear to have been any need for Rove to pressure Noel Hillman on this. But if we were to depose a number of political appointees at Justice, Noel Hillman would figure near the top of this list.
Typically, while moving heaven and earth to delay any final settlement or resolution until Karl grows hair again somewhere besides his knuckles.
There is quite a bit to process. Aside from the 60 Minutes piece, what role (if any) is the local Alabama media playing? If the behavior of that CBS station is indicative of a larger pattern, the word “complicit” pops to mind. And do you have a sense of things on the ground in Alabama? Is the populace paying attention/upset? Not paying much attention? Thinking action is futile because, well, what on earth does anyone expect Sessions/Shelby to do?
Hi Scott. Thank you so much for helping bring this travesty out into the public eye.
The candidates running for President (any of them including the ones who dropped out) did not cast votes in the Senate and the vote for Mukasey was 53-to-40 with six dems voting with the Republicans.
As you know Feinstein and Schumer were supportive and the vote then became 11-8 with Feinstein and Schumer being the two dems on SJC to vote for him.
He gave every indication he would be the obstructionist crook that we now know he is in that hearing and Feinstein and Schumer had blinders on and they ran interference for him and cheerled for him if you read the transcript of the Mukasey hearings.
Feinstein even said that since he was a Judge, he probably needed time to consider his obfuscation on waterboarding and torture. While on the district court bench in the Southern District of New York, Mukasey jailed scores of material witnesses and they were denied access to an attorney by BOP/DOJ for a considerable amount of time in the post 911 witch hunts.
I wish that I could say that I hadn’t heard that from any number of former federal employees…but I have. It is beyond appalling, it is risky and horrid behavior that damages things on so many levels for a long, long time to come. The worst part is, I think the Bush loyalists know it.
I’d like to thank you for your coverage of this outrage, I’ve been following it on your blog since you started. You are Siegelman’s Emile Zola!
Scott do you know anything about the Paul Minor and Wes Teel prosecutions in Mississippi — two judges?
Mukasey has proven out to be exactly what we thought he would be….a higher order Republican tool than little Alberto.
I know or believe you are in the NYC area, and there is a lot of fertile material for investigation in the conduct of New Jersey US Attorney Christopher J. Christie and his connection with the contracts given to Ashcroft’s company. It’s going to take more than a House Judiciary or House oversight hearing to investigate that and other dealings Christie has had that are spectacularly political.
Hi Scott. What an awful example of justice running amok. What is your prediction as to how this will unfold over the next couple of years? Will there be any redress to the injustice and will anyone pay for this abuse of power?
and don’t care?
or are keen on using it?
If they broke ethical rules binding on them, they face being fired and disbarred. If they acted with malice, they could have damages awarded against themselves, personally. The prosecutors here are now accused of suborning false evidence and suppressing exculpatory evidence, both of which, if proved, would be criminal acts and grounds for disbarrment. I don’t think the accusation of actual malice is far from the mark in this case either. The two lead prosecutors have repeatedly offered false statements to the public about the case. I believe they ducked out of on camera interviews with CBS because they knew they were going to be held to account for those statements.
Right. Mukasey is nothing more than a slightly more organized Gonzalez.
His primary mandate is to shield the president, the vice president and the rest of the administration — in that order — from scrutiny.
If you’re wondering how they rationalize it, it goes something along the lines of “we are the right men for these times.”
That’s an accurate assessment. Alberto had no federal experience. Mukasey is a very bright capable attorney who litigated for large clients in his law firm in federal court and then was appointed to the federal district court bench where he was for years. Mukasey is plenty sophisticated. He knows exactly what he is doing chapter and verse, and Alberto made a decision with I believe little insight into how much damage he was doing to DOJ and this country. Mukasey knows the score now believe me and he is there to cover for this administration.
Consider Mukasey the best blocking back you’ve ever seen on the field.
Yes, I spent some time down in Mississippi looking at the Minor-Teel-Winfield cases, and have done a series of pieces on them. They are no less outrageous that the Siegelman case in Alabama. In the Mississippi case, the political objective is obvious right from the start–it’s an effort to stop the Democratic Party’s largest funding base from contributing. And it worked. The cases produced a hung jury in the first round and a conviction in the second. I consider the case to be a travesty. But look for John Grisham’s new novel–he’s written it up, and John’s retelling of the story is much better than mine.
Hmmm…wonder if any of that stuff is in McCain’s 750,000 Abramoff documents that he wouldn’t allow to be released….
The Alabama media is a big part of the problem. In particular, two newspapers, one in Birmingham and the other in Mobile, played a focal role in the whole effort to “get” Siegelman and to make the accusations against him look credible. Their conduct in this whole affair needs to get close scrutiny and to be look over. I don’t think the Bush Administration could have pulled off its caper without them.
I haven’t followed this for a while or updated myself but DOJ in this area and many areas has adamantly resisted Congress’ attempts to make them subject to local bar sanctions in fact. I have the legislative history tucked in a folder somewhere, but although there was one vote subjecting them to mild local bar control, essentially–correct me if I’m wrong and I’ll find it later–US Attorneys are not subject to local bar investigations nor or they subject to local bar rules and sanctions. Sure they have to be members of a state bar, but believe me DOJ has lobbied heavily against their being subjected to local bar dicipline with Congress. as far back as when Christy and LHP were at DOJ.
They have several people at Main Justice assigned to do that who do legislative liason with the Hill.
http://www.leftinalabama.com/s…..aryId=1272
The answer is yes. Sam Stein at the Huffingtonpost published the one most important document. Senator McCain did not get into the Alabama side of things, but the materials he collected were shared with other investigating the matter, so they’ve been out there for some time. The problem is that most of the national media has an arrogant “This is just Alabama” attitude — as if they expect politics to operate to the standards of a banana republic down south. That’s unforunate.
Not sure it is possible to scope my question small enough, but I’m trying to better understand how the political culture of DoJ (esp its AL branch) has been altered in an historically brief amount of time.
Are there specific law schools that seem to be coming up over and over again as ‘training grounds’ for people whose view of the law is so… partisan and friends/enemies focused? Or did some of these people work at specific firms, or in specific areas of law that allowed them to win cases despite having such ‘intellectual and ethical blinders’ about the nature of justice?
Any background on what might contribute to the political culture in AL that would help explain how such a systemic trail of injustices occurred?
(Apologies if the question is to broad for a quick response.)
Apparently similar steps were taken against Democratic Party-funding lawyers in Michigan.
Could the False Statements Act have any application here?
Ethics questions surrounding US Attorneys are to be managed by the Office of Professional Responsibility at DOJ. In the Bush Administration, OPR has essentially been comatose. It does nothing. But US Attorneys are also members of local bars, and their local license and disciplinary processes, whatever DOJ may think. Local bars tend not to act while a US Attorney is in office, only post-resignation.
Scott could you context the main Alabama news papers? Aren’t they heavily conservative and don’t they do a lot of interference running for Riley and Fuller. I understand one of the local Alabama reporters is writing a book on the Siegelman situation and trial and he is staunchly defending Riley and Judge Fuller in the excerpted articles from his pending book.
Feinstein has always been a Republican. She registered Democrat in SF so she would be elected. Additionally, she is a devoted NeoCon. I don’t know about Schumer.
Harry Reid is a Blue Dog Democrat with little persuasion skills for moving Democrats, much less Republicans, nor is he in strong disagreement with many of the Republican positions. They can always count on Harry to capitulate. He’s one of them.
Given how bad the Mukasey hearings went, I have to ask why so many approved and why so little outcry.
Thanks for this very fine piece of work, Mr. Horton.
The paragraph highlighted here just shows how corrupted the DOJ has become, wish it could be carried by the MSM, alas…
I don’t think it has anything to do with a regional legal issue, so much as it does with a culture of “true believer” recruitment within the Rove/Bush/Cheney political environment. A lot of the “true believer” types — who were willing to end-run ethical restrictions and the rule of law in favor of an “ends justifies the means” mentality really has been a rule of thumb in far too many respects in hiring decisions, especially for supervisory positions.
Look at the testimony with regard to the gutting of the civil rights division, just as a starting point on that…
I don’t know if it has changed since the good old days, but back in my time an AUSA had to be a member of the bar in ANY US jurisdiction. So, if you passed the bar in an easy state (NYS is notoriously tough) you could still be an AUSA in SDNY.
We had a surprising number of out of towners who were afraid to take the NYS Bar exam and relied on thier admissions from their home states.
Bush set out to wreck the federal government, and he did. Will take decades to restore agencies [including DOJ], meanwhile the corporate crooks get away un-regulated and un-prosecuted. Look what he’s done with many commissions, not enough members for a quarum…so they can’t do their jobs.
His cronies make a fortune.
What I can’t fathom, is why the Democrats have been so ineffective! Put IMPEACH back on the table!
I think this is a direct outgrowth of the Rovian “Permanent Republican Majority”. Alabama Republicans loved the sound of that, and still do, and Don Siegelman was a threat to that permanent, 1-party fascist “majority”. This is why Karl Rove and the Alabama Republicans were a match made in heaven. And the Cover Story that all Federal Attorney’s are purely political appointments and should always pursue Party over Country/Justice works quite well, thank you very much.
Just wait, there’s much more to come IF their manipulations lose them the White House. The fallout from the permanent majority types will be vicious.
Isn’t Scrushy the HealthSouth guy? I know he was in trouble for something. Healthsouth offices were shut down. Was there any relationship between Scrushy and Siegelman regarding the HealthSouth business?
What’s been the overall response to the CBS segment? Has there been enough positive feedback to run follow-up pieces?
I’m also curious as what impact, if any, the Rather trial could have on all this. They’re tangentially related, I think.
I can see where a local bar association would be a bit nervous at taking on a sitting USA or AUSA. It’s kind of like a lawyer going after a judge for ethics violations: if you’re the lawyer filing the complaint, you don’t want to lose your complaint and then find yourself facing that judge (or USA/AUSA) in a new case.
But you’ve got to do what you’ve got to do — even it it makes you nervous.
What do you think about the indictment of Geoffrey Fieger? Do you think supporters of John Edwards were targeted?
Reading and watching the stories about this case, just makes me so sad.
This is not the DOJ I knew. This is not the DOJ where each lawyer representing the government strives not only to not deplete the resevoir of credibility, but to add to it.
Mr. Horton, thank you for shining a light on all this. Though I am saddened by it, sunshine is the best disinfectant.
Thx, I am not familiar with the economics, nor the law firms in AL.
However, I keep recalling John Dean’s fine book, ‘Conservatives without Conscience’, so suppose that I am trying to look for any factors regional economies, or regional law firms, that might lend themselves to precisely the type of thinking you describe.
In addition, AL had Scanlan, Abramoff, and casinos as moneymakers for the GOP. When the lid’s off that mess, it ought to be mindboggling. Surely, it must link into the Siegelman case at some level.
Anyway, just trying to better understand regional factors, or other reasons that certain kinds of ‘authoritarian’ behaviors can take root. Thx for your insights.
I think Scott hit that in a recent piece of his at Harper’s — they couldn’t not take Siegelman out electorally, and thus this plan was hatched to get him out in any way possible. Odious and smarmy as it is, it certainly sounds like a Rove-hatched plot to me. Given that the USAtty there was married to the man running the campaign for Siegelman’s gubernatorial opponent, that she wasn’t immediately required to recuse herself from any consideration on the case alone is a HUGE red flag in my mind.
Scott–
The diciplining of US Attorneys by local bars was an issue in Congress during the Clinton administration and DOJ lobbied fiercely to oppose it. I can’t remember the name of the bill and the circumstances, but I’ll pull it up.
Prosecutorial misconduct by anyone in DOJ is rarely diciplilned. If it is over the top flagrant, they sometimes have their career finished at DOJ. You would have to look long and hard to see flagrant prosecutorial misconduct that has been proven then be diciplined by the State Bar. It just does not happen significantly whether in theory it can or not.
The attitude is that usually complaints are made by defendants. I know someone at OPR and I can tell you that the bar is high. He is frustrated that they have been essentially brain dead in this adminstration, and they were comatose and on life support during the Clinton administration.
There have been very organized efforts by DOJ every time the bills come up to subject them to local bar dicipline. I’ll have to find the situation the last time this came up because I believe that DOJ succeeded in limiting the reach of the local bar. Absolutely to practice law, a member of DOJ has had to pass the bar and maintain their state license. If anyone can show me an instance of significant dicipline to a US Attorney from a local bar association, I’d love to see that. Good luck in finding one.
The most that ever happens to them with a few political witch hunts I can name within DOJ are that they are asked to leave.
Rachel Paulose was an example of this. She is now reassigned to Main Justice drawing a fat paycheck and the Minnesota Bar hasn’t touched her.
Scott wonderful to ’see’ you here; you have indeed presented an astonding and depressing history.
Many here at FDL argue that the reason Congress is doing nothing is simply that they, all of the Democrats, at least, have been blackmailed by Bush $ CO. and fear for their own and their families’ safety.
Have you any thoughts regarding this ‘theory’?
Interesting that one of the interested parties is the godfather of McCain’s progeny. Would that not indicate that McCain is a Catholic? If so, that makes McCain’s slight against the Papacy via Hagee even more juicy.
Sorry…..a wrecked government with no oversight allows for easier looting by the Corporate Kleptocracy. The Dems are to involved in the campaign contributions spigot to care. Until corporate money is taken out of our campaigns and we “buy back” our elections with public financing for all federal and state offices…………NOT A DAMN THING WILL CHANGE!
when i saw this it reminded me of things i’d read a couple of years ago – about how it looked like mccain (at the senate committee on indian affairs) had begun investigations into the abramoff matter, but then had pulled backed.
it sure looked like there could have been enough evidence gathered to threaten abramoff et al. prior to what sure looks like a cover up. is it possible there is some quid-pro-quo involved? or am i speculating irresponsibly?
I’m not certain that it rises to the level of “many,” but you are correct that a number of readers have raised that as a possibility, given the conduct on the domestic spying use of the NSA…
LHP do you remember the situations where Congress has tried to impose local bar diciplinary procedures on members of DOJ and what the results have been–because I remember a distinct effort during the Clinton administration although not terribly well and DOJ was fighting the bill tooth and nail.
I have never seen a US Attorney diciplined by the State Bar–and I wouldn’t hold my breath to see OPR or any other investigative unit at DOJ do much significant even in the face of proven flagrant prosecutorial misconduct.
I know that in every instance when legislation comes before Congress DOJ fights local dicipline as hard as it can.
Different law firm have different firm “cultures”, even within a given firm, different practice groups can have wildly different ethos.
I think what you are asking–correct me if I am wrong–is whether anyone can identify a given firm or law school that seems to be a germination site for this kind of attitude.
Not unlike Naomi Klien suggesting that the Chicago School of Economics was a breeding ground for Milton Freedman’s disaster capitalists. Or the prevalence of Regent Law School grads at Main Justice during this administration.
I know nothing about Alabama and have no answers for your question, but I see where you are going with it.
I know we’d all love to sink our teeth into all those e-mails he’s been withholding. Given the gems that were unearthed in the little bit we’ve been able to see — that back and forth with Ralph Reed on using the Christian fundamentalists essentially as ATMs and loudmouths was priceless all by itself — I know I’d love to see them.
Now I remember I think–I had to smack my head. At least one of these legislative efforts was the McDade Act in 1999:
Efforts to Subject DOJ Attorneys to Local Bar Sanctions
I think that McCain was Episcopalian then. I believe he has since become a Baptist.
Christy,
Who heads that committee now? Is there some way for us to pressure the D in charge to bring this stuff back to life? After all, St John isn’t running things now so it would seem that someone else is complicit on blocking these things.
There are lawyers for whom the law is a Great Good, as well as a practical way to demarcate competing behavior that might otherwise do great harm. For other lawyers, the law is just something else to manipulate to get what you want.
I suspect that Gonzales & Co., via the Sampsons and Goodllings, hired only the latter, just as their cohorts elsewhere in the Bush administration did throughout the federal government. Which shunts the former into holes or out of government. Gresham’s Law as applied to hiring, intentionally yielding a vile form of government.
Scott,
If and when the appeal is submitted, is there any feel as to whether the appeals court will act in accordance with the letter and spirit of the law? It would seem that the conflict of interest of the U.S. Attorney prosecuting is so blatant that it alone would mandate at least a new trial. However, I am beginning to wonder if there is any part of the judiciary which can be relied upon to act according to the law.
Might be Dorgan.
Recent Grant Woods quote
http://www.azcentral.com/arizo…..0415.html;
(emphasis added)
Dems complicit in Republican shenanigans???????…….Say it ain’t so Joe!!
I actually don’t know what you are referring to. It’s just not ringing a bell with me. The most sgificant instances I can recall of AUSA or USA discipline came from federal judges. Contempts being high on the list.
One of the most common, failure to turn over exculpatory material. Judges get really peeved about that.
The Republican Party has become nothing more than a criminal conspiracy that is added and abetted by a complicit and corrupted MSM. There is a need for the use of the RICO statutes to remove this threat to America’s democracy. If Republicans are not held accountable for crimes other than the ones concerning sex, they will be back and more corrupt than ever. Long prison sentences may convince them of the error of their ways.
I think Dorgan does, but I’m not postive on that. Anyone know for certain?
Precisely! Thanks for synthesizing ;-))
It simply doesn’t make sense to me that the fine people of AL agree with this nonsense; there must be something that synchs with John Dean’s analysis that this case would shed more light on.
“Casinos” and “GOP fundraising” are key terms, no doubt.
But you’re correct, that’s where I’m trying to go with my qu.
Correct me if I’m wrong but my memory is getting a little better. DOJ used the 400 plus Patriot Act that they threw on Congressional desks in the wee hours of the morning so they wouldn’t be able to have their staffs read it to tuck in a provision to soften State Bar Dicipline for U.S. Attorneys. I just have to dig it out of the ole so-called Patriot Act.
Professional Standards. Agreement reached to modify the so-called McDade Law. (Leahy)
Because obviously, when that call comes at 3AM and your baby is asleep in the bed, you can protect America better when you exempt US Attorneys from local bar dicipline. Why did it take me so long to remember the mod that the Patriot Act imposed on the 1999 McDade Act?
So Huckabee switched from Baptist to Catholic while MCain switched from Episcopalian (quasi-Catholic) to Baptist. Which is more politically expedient?
Modern day Republicans are nothing but a revitalized version of Dixiecrats. This fits hand in glove with the ruling minority of Alabama. Keep wages low, keep upper level education accessable to a few and keep the working class scrabbling. Make them fight hard for the left over scraps.
So little has changed.
It was not intended by the Founding Fathers that upper levels of government should be occupied by by an army of cockroaches…. But that is what we have, now.
Christy, I am not among those who espouse that theory and have argued against it consistently. However, just as the word, ‘lies’ took a very long time to be spoken publicly regarding a certain ‘W’, at least there should be presented the ‘opportunity’ for our Senators and Congresspersons to come forward, sooner rather than later, if the ‘theory’ is, in fact, a reality, rather than a fairy-tale.
The Siegelman Case and the USAttorney Scandal adds another log to the revolutionary fire…..
Seven Steps To Revolution
http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-…..revolution
Huck is Catholic? I never heard that.
I know, I just try to operate from an “I have specific evidence of the conduct before I front it out for sure” frame of reference. *g*
I prefer what Jim Hightower calls ‘em…………..CongressCritters
Huck is Baptist
Scott, I just wanted to take a minute to thank you so much for being here — and for all of your invaluable work on this and so much of your other reporting on the politicization of the DOJ. It is so essential for folks to speak up publicly on all of this, and I cannot thank you enough for doing so with such eloquence and force at a time when we all need much more of this.
Really…kudos.
Nope. That’s not at all what I’m talking about. I’m specifically talking about the huge Thrillah in Manillah scope of the wrestling match between DOJ, local bars, and different members of Congress during the imposition of the McDade Act in 1999 during the Clinton administration (I have no idea whether Bill or Hillary was for or againt it but I do know that Jan Reno very actively opposed local dicipline).
The McDade Act was passed. I haven’t pulled the actual law up yet. It extended local bar ethics rules and Bar Standards as they are called in some states which get far more respect by many Bar Associations to apply to DOJ attorneys who had been exempt from them previously.
Then we had passage of the Patriot Act as you know but what most people don’t know–after all it was about 450 pages initially, is that many provisions were tucked by DOJ into the Patriot Act which morphed it into a Christmas Wish List that DOJ had been hanging with their stockings with care for years.
Specifically, and I’ll nail it with more time later, the Patriot Act systemically weakened the reach of local bar dicipline to DOJ attorneys and/or it destroyed it.
From Pat Leahy’s Web Site on Professional Standards. Agreement reached to modify the so-called McDade Law.
I apologize I haven’t pulled up that part of the code section from the Patriot Act for you but I will get it.
This is a very complex issue legally. The major issues in the case were never developed before the trial court, so there should be a remand, or a habeas corpus petition in order to develop them. As positioned right now, the appeal would turn on a series of technicalities, not on the major issues that actually undermine the case. The lawyers for Siegelman have a lot of work to do.
That’s what I thought. Catholics are not terribly popular in the south. Most evans are southern baptists.
Mr. Horton,
Is CBS still investigating this? I know Dam Abrams keeps on it. Any other news outlets?
I think that was Brownback who became Catholic.
I just skimmed the article and maybe I missed it, but it did not discuss one of the more problematic issues about direct contact with a reprsented person: which is (and you see this alot with Organized Crime cases–not just LCN)
What do you do when the higher up bad guys obtain and pay for hte lawyer for the lower down bad guy? The lower down bad guy calls you up and says he wants to flip, but that his lawyer will rat him out to the bosses.
We used to run to the duty judge and get the would be flipper into a closed hearing where the court would appoint him new counsel.
I know of one instance where the very next day, he then showed up to a meeting with the AUSA accompanied by the old lawyer. Everyody’s head was spinning.
Turned out he had some crazy notion that he was going to keep the old lawyer, too, so that the bosses would not catch on that he had flipped.
One of the agents actually liked the idea and thought we could use the flipper as an undercover informant to go to joint defense strategy meetings. He was quickly and harshly disabused of that notion.
Today, the “Bushies” at DOJ would probably jump at such an idea.
Scott we very much appreciate your great work in digging into this, and hope you will continue and possibly look into the activities of Christopher J. Christie in New Jersey which extend far beyond his questionable lucrative contract oversight awarding in the case of the pharmaceutical company in Indiana to John Ashcroft’s company.
Yes, thank you Christy, AFJ and Scott. This has been a great discussion to read. I really appreciate all the hard work and open discussion.
Dorgan.
They would love it. The person who suggested that would no doubt be promoted in today’s DOJ.
Yes — and a very conservative one at that. Huck is and has always been a conservative Baptist, though some of the Baptists don’t think he was always conservative enough.
Much of this kind of situation would give you fertile material for a great book.
Thanks Scott
Yes that’s right. It’s Brownback that switched to Catholicism. Not Huckabee. My mistake.
1999 was after my time. I was in private practice by then
Scott, if you’re still there, thank you for all of your hard work and for spending the time with us today.
Thank you Scott and Christy!
Seriously Scott, your work is such a valuable light on the cesspool of corruption that the DOJ has become.
Totally agree, however as an excuse for cowardice, the explanation for appeasement and duplicitous behavior it is a very ‘weak’ theory and lives more in the rarified reaches of ‘belief’ rather than empirical ‘fact’.
It is the unquestioning acceptance of ‘myths’ of this very nature which has ‘helped’ bring our nation into such low repute and allowed Bush to assume power not unlike Augustus did in Rome.
I think our ‘Critters’ should be held accountable and not treated as ‘victims’ who would do the ‘right thing’ if only they could.
Yes, thank you Scott and Christy for bringing light to the darkness.
That is the best “outlook” of the situation I have read. Thanks.
Thanks Scott and Christy, this is one of the best legal threads ever. This looks like “the octopus”, with all the hands in Alabama’s corruption touching everything and everyone in some very dirty work.
many thanks for allowing the bandini to become familiar with the ventilator. Clearly this will not be the last of this story
I’m late but I just wanted to say Thank You to Scott Horton for his tremendous dedication to justice.
Christy, I also appreciate the link to Alliance for Justice. I intend to dig into that site a lot more. First Mondays are going on my calendar!
Thanks Scott and thanks Christy!
It really is an odd set of tangled circumstances. And, like the Hydra, you take one end out, and more pop up from out of the blue. That this is happening with the DOJ and the USAttys offices is beyond painful. Let alone the rest of our government.
I’m sorry I didn’t have a better command of this for you. As an attorney very familiar with election law and active on bar committees dealing with it, the Siegelman situation I think would be very interesting for you given its potential connections with the US Attorney situation and Rove, etc.
I used to know it, but it’s been a while, and it came up on the fly in this discussion when people started asking Scott Horton about possible dicipline of US Attorneys Leura Canary, Alice Martin, and Judge Fuller in the light of allegations made as to misconduct of all of them. As you know well, misconduct claims by defendants proliferate in many cases, but in Siegelman’s situation they certainly appear to have substantial merit.
You may have been so busy, and I know you’re in NYC not Alabama, you haven’t been able to dig into the many articles written on this case but Scott Horton mentioned up above some possible connections with Abramoff’s situation, and there have been strong allegations in Alabma that the trial court judge was helped significantly by the current Republican Governor Bob Riley.
This is the McDade Act
This is the modification of McDade in the Patriot Act in 2001:
Incorporated in section 501.
modified the McDade law by establishing a set of rules that clarify the professional standards applicable to government attorneys
I know that district court judges sanction (sometimes) when they are swayed that their are discovery violations, and I’ve seen a lot of instances where harsh words were directed at either the defense or the government but rarely much done to the government by either the District Court or at the Circuit level or OPR that has any teeth.
BTW in this case, the motion for appeal bond which in the Eleventh Circuit revolves around arguments over whether the Eleventh Circuit standard in US v. Giancola 754 F. 2d, 898, 901 (11th Cir. 1985) is met included an order by the Eleventh Circuit to the District Court Judge Fuller to write a memorandum opinion explaining his denial of an appeal bond to Governor Siegelman, and the judge refused the Eleventh Circuit. They then responded with a second order that he do this, and he grudingly produced a 30 page memorandum written by his law clerk, and then the Eleventh Circuit issued an order to Siegelman’s attorney to brief the issue allowing the defense and government a 30 page brief and then 15 page reply briefs.
The decision on appeal bond is pending from Judges Marcus and Black. I explained some of it
here and other places
This is an article Scott Horton wrote on possible illegal land dealings by the District Court Judge Fuller in connection with this case and current Republican Governor Bob Riley:
Siegelman judge’s firm got $18 million contract
Thank you Scott and Christy. This was a great thread.
Christy thanks for putting on this discussion. I hope you and Scott, and EW and LHP will keep digging into this at the level you have been.
There sure are some good books to be written about this case, and again I am really surprised that major print media journalists haven’t done much on this.
This is a great example of one of the ways blogs with experienced attorneys doing them are important investigative tools, with the potential for Pulitzers or Polk awards for the investigative reporting.
There is no doubt that work being done on blogs like this one is surpassing the quality of print journalism’s coverage and investigation in a rapidly increasing number of instances.
If you and Scott are correct, and if there exists sufficient evidence to make out a Prima Faciae case, all BIG assumptions.
It sounds like these folks have their own criminal exposure to worry about. You know there is more than one way to obstruct justice, if you catch my drift.
I forget if it was Cristy or EW who first said it, but when the USA firing scandal hit, some clever firepup queried “what did the rest of them have to do to avoid being fired?”
Now, I guess we are finding out.
Thank you so much Scott! What a great discussion.
and Christy, this is a wonderful series. thanks.
I simply can’t understand why our society has been unable to put a stop to any of the lawless behavior of this administration! Our admirable legal system, much vaunted systen of checks and balances, democracy itself appears impotent against it. There’s been a steady stream of horrors infecting almost every area of government. We seem to be helpless to hold anyone accountable for anything!
Christy, as you are a former prosecutor, clearly possessed of great conscience and with a well-fuctioning moral compass, these ‘goings-on’
must be particulary painful for you to observe, as you truly understand their implications.
That you provide this ’series’ is testament to that understanding and a measure of your own incredible value to the rest of us.
There are not sufficient words to express what that means, but should this nation somehow regain its self-respect and become what it should be, a beacon of hope for humanity and the future, it shall be owing, in very great measure, to the efforts and steadfastness of courageous people who behave as you do.
My sincerest appreciation, respect and admiration.
Had to speak a portion of my ‘truth’. I hope it does not embarrss.
No problem at all. And thanks so much, that was really lovely…and very nice to hear. Much appreciated!
I will be blogging on this after the hearing.
all BIG assumptions.
Of course. But getting to the level of a competent substantial investigation as you know well is a very high bar to reach. I don’t see AG Mukasey appointing a Special Counsel and given his apparent stonewalling across the board in investigating wire tapping, the dragging of investigation of rape allegations by contractors and State Dept. employees in Iraq, and to me the obstruction of investigations by DOJ into murder in Iraq and the jurisdictional questions that were crafted with input by DOJ when these contractors were set up in Iraq–no bid most of the time– the tepid attempt to do anything about the email fiasco, I don’t have any confidence that DOJ will investigate any of these issues. It may be my fantasy, but I imagine discussions with Mukasey, Fielding, Addington, and Cheney or Bush where it was stipulated if Mukasey is appointed he makes sure there is no Special Counsel appointed on his watch.
I wasn’t trying to make loose allegations and raise them to the level of evidence, but I hope when you get a chance you will look at Christy’s previous discusssion and I think Marcy has done a few now. I think there is compelling circumstantial evidence here. I don’t know how you feel about Special Counsels and the pluses or minuses or when they should be appointed, but I think this rises to the level where it would be imporatant and constructive given the tentacles that seem to connect to the “US Attorney Scandle.”
There “appear to be” some substantive things that US Attorneys might have done to get off the lists. There are some current US Attorneys who were on lists and removed. And of course the lists may have been made by all kinds of people and revised.
I hate to see so much obstruction to finding out by Mukasey, and geeze Louise look at the way State Secrets has now permeated rulings by the Sixth Circuit in the ACLU v. NSA case, and the Ninth Circuit, the D.C. Circuit, and now we have had two cert. denials from the S. Ct. where it was upheld in the lower courts.
Thanks so much Scott. Keep on keepin’ on. It’s a very important fight. I wasn’t able to find a web site for your blog when your articles first came up–if you’re still here can you give us your blog site?
“>Scott Horton’s Blog
Scott Horton’s Blog
ccmask, I doubt very much if your benefits can be pulled like this, especially without warning or even notification, but I strongly suggest you get yourself a lawyer who specializes in employment law. This is total bullshit behaviour on her part.
You’re the only one this has happened to? You have some kind of employment agreement? How long have you worked for these people? Have they (to your knowledge) been documenting any performance of behaviour issues? Do they do regular performance appraisals?
Scott’s blog — No Comment — is the very first link in the post above, and is also linked in his bio at the end. HTH!
No behavior problems. I’ve been there 4 years. No notification and I have no agreement or contract. She just decided to cut corners. And since I had cancer twice last year, I was so upset. I don’t know if she cut anyone else. I guess I’ll go to an attorney tomorrow. Thanks for your response.
I wrote this earlier, about #30. I think Scott couldn’t answer because of his personal relationship with Muckasy. So, let me ask you:
“This might not be the forum for this question, but I will give it a go anyway. During the Muckasy hearings, you mentioned how you studied(?) under Muckasy, and thought(knew) that he was a decent person, and a Great legal mind. I know you have been dissapointed, so far, in his becoming the newest of Bush’s lapdogs.
My question: How can honest, decent men( think Colin Powell, maybe not many others) let Bush Whore them, and ruin both their reputations and professional ethics, for the privilage of serving under the Worst President Ever? Does he have extra-strength Kool-Aid, or these guys just like being used? I KNOW that this question also refers to so many of our DOJ lawyers who have forgotten that they work for America, not the Republican party.”
This is a very interesting and important question, especially today, in that the presidential candidates keep swiping at each other about experience, but as my examples show, past performances do not guarantee future performances will be the same!
Where is the outrage? The MSM(except for 60 minutes) is predictably ignoring this but the blogs also seem strangely muted on this story. This might be the backdoor into the corrupt heart of Bush’s DOJ. Presumably everybody involved in this sordid affair could be made to testify before congress (no executive privilege or state secrets involved here).
Start beating the drum. FREE DON SIEGELMAN!
Thanks–I found his blog before and the page might not have loaded. That was a whale of a post and I was torn between reading it as carefully as I should and missing the discussion.
This was an excellent discussion. Good luck when you get your new Mac. I’m envious.
hey – not my area, but I seem to recall that health insurance may *not* be canceled without notice. Notice must be provided *and* include information as to how you can choose to carry insurance through COBRA.
By all means, contact a local attorney, and bear in mind that I’m a crim lawyer – but I’m pretty sure I’m remembering correctly.
Well, as someone who wasn’t exactly a big Mukasey supporter after his refusal to do anything but dance around the illegality of torture, it’s tough for me to say anything but we pretty much saw something like this coming.
But, to be fair, there have been some improvements made since Mukasey came in — most notably the attempt at restoration of the civil rights division comes to mind. I think that honorable people come into positions like this thinking that they could either stay above the political fray rather than be swept into it, or they see some level of good that they could do that would not be done by someone else, and so they rationalize work within the administration for themselves by trying to do the good that they can and walling off what they cannot fix — or at least making more of an attempt to move things than a predecessor might have done. (Considering his predecessor was Gonzales, that’s not a stretch to say that any real attempt to make changes toward respect for the rule of law or to push back at the Cheney/Addington line would be more than we were getting for years from Gonzales.)
But I think there may have been some tacit agreement to stay away from what was past, and to focus on rebuilding for the future, to try and salvage what could be saved or rebuilt within the DOJ rather than let it continue to wither and die before everyone’s eyes. Frankly, there is a lot of value in that — I’m just not certain that I could, personally, stomach turning a blind eye to the past conduct to achieve that as a goal were I in Mukasey’s shoes. But someone needed to step in and start the rebuilding process sooner rather than later, before they lost even more decent and honorable longtime attorneys who could no longer stomach working under the prior conditions — because holding the line on the rule of law had to be put before even personal feelings about all of what had come before, and I can see how that could be a seductive personal argument to do that if given the opportunity to salvage something of what was a very honorable place to work in the not too distant past.
Does that answer your question at all?
Interesting from EPU land. I reread the intro, and Scott Horton was in the same law firm that
Patterson, Belknap Mike Mukasey was a member of.
My worst fear is that, given the obvious intent to run out the clock in this administration, the decision is made in the next to avoid upsetting the other party by excusing or not investigating the conduct we’ve seen. I don’t mind bipartisanship, but ignoring illegal, if not unconstitutional conduct is worse than the original conduct itself. For me, task number one for the next administration, no matter who wins, is repairing and rebuilding the many government institutions that were subverted and corrupted for the last seven years in the interest of partisanship and power grabs.
”Well, as someone who wasn’t exactly a big Mukasey supporter after his refusal to do anything but dance around the illegality of torture, it’s tough for me to say anything but we pretty much saw something like this coming.
But, to be fair, there have been some improvements made since Mukasey came in — most notably the attempt at restoration of the civil rights division comes to mind.”
Perhaps you’d like to re-write this? What you seem to say is: we pretty much knew he was corrupt and he is pretty obviously commiting corrupt/criminal acts, but, hey, all of his acts aren’t criminal, some of them produce some good.
And then there is: ”But I think there may have been some tacit agreement to stay away from what was past, and to focus on rebuilding for the future, to try and salvage what could be saved or rebuilt within the DOJ rather than let it continue to wither and die before everyone’s eyes. Frankly, there is a lot of value in that…” I’ll bet every criminal defendant would like to have prosecutors stay away from the past. How can we have a justice system in which past acts are ignored? You can’t prosecute acts to be committed in the future, nor is there such thing as prosecution of present acts, you can only prosecute past acts and to ignore them is to be unjust. All criminal acts committed within the DOJ should be prosecuted. Not to prosecute them means the Republicans are right: they are above the law and so is any future administration. But then, perhaps, this is what the Democrats, especially those following/allied with Rahm Emanuel have in mind?
Not to quibble with you Christy, and perhaps overstepping proper ‘bounds’as I am merely a citizen and not a lawyer, however;
‘Holding the line’ on the ‘Rule of Law’, going back, with respect to ‘our’ law to the Magna Charta, cannot tolerate too many gaping breaks before becoming either a discontinuous bunch of snipped threads which won’t support the weight of Justice or just the ‘right’ length to ‘hang’ us altogether.
What you define in other terms is often referred to as ‘rationalization’ and deemed, in certain circumstance, if we are honest, to be less than
‘honorable’.
Certain ‘Positions’ with respect, once again, ‘to’ and also ‘for’ the Law require more than that, else the ‘Law’ means nothing except another club to beat down decency, courage and conscience in the face of clear depravity.
Any nation which depends upon ‘the Rule of Law and not of men’ requires a certain fundamental coherency a well as a clear continuity to its legal ’system’, otherwise it is a piecemeal sham and a source of continuing pain, loss and destruction, at the whim of those who claim to be ‘above’ said law, as Augustus did in Rome and Bush/Cheney have asserted in our times.
It is of interest to me that our nation’s founders, not having the experience of more recent tyrants, used particularly their understanding regarding the destruction of the Roman Republic as the model which they hoped to design protections against. Their design, though not perfect, as many well know, still yet would be viable were courage and basic humanity at play in our august chambers of government. At this place in time, it could well be that our founders’ gravest concerns and deepest fears are to be realized.
Now, perhaps more than ever before, we’ve need of men and women willing to stand, even at the ultimate cost for (that thrilling line from the old Superman television series) ‘Truth, Justice, and the American Way’.
I wish I could have been here real-time, but to read Scott, Christy, LHP, and PetePierce on this topic was such a superb way to spend my time this evening. I’ve copied/pasted a number of the comments into an email that’s gone off to some of my colleagues who only know the case from the Mobile Press Register (Mobile Prejudiced Register, to some of us in the area) and therefore think that Siegelman must have done something and is now only whining, rather than winding, his way through the court system.
Thanks to all!
Well, as someone who wasn’t exactly a big Mukasey supporter after his refusal to do anything but dance around the illegality of torture, it’s tough for me to say anything but we pretty much saw something like this coming.
But, to be fair, there have been some improvements made since Mukasey came in — most notably the attempt at restoration of the civil rights division comes to mind. I think that honorable people come into positions like this thinking that they could either stay above the political fray rather than be swept into it, or they see some level of good that they could do that would not be done by someone else, and so they rationalize work within the administration for themselves by trying to do the good that they can and walling off what they cannot fix — or at least making more of an attempt to move things than a predecessor might have done. (Considering his predecessor was Gonzales, that’s not a stretch to say that any real attempt to make changes toward respect for the rule of law or to push back at the Cheney/Addington line would be more than we were getting for years from Gonzales.)
But I think there may have been some tacit agreement to stay away from what was past, and to focus on rebuilding for the future, to try and salvage what could be saved or rebuilt within the DOJ rather than let it continue to wither and die before everyone’s eyes. Frankly, there is a lot of value in that — I’m just not certain that I could, personally, stomach turning a blind eye to the past conduct to achieve that as a goal were I in Mukasey’s shoes. But someone needed to step in and start the rebuilding process sooner rather than later, before they lost even more decent and honorable longtime attorneys who could no longer stomach working under the prior conditions — because holding the line on the rule of law had to be put before even personal feelings about all of what had come before, and I can see how that could be a seductive personal argument to do that if given the opportunity to salvage something of what was a very honorable place to work in the not too distant past.
Does that answer your question at all?
Scott, thank you for your amazing work and vigilance. I so regret I missed the discussion you brought to the Lake and Christy hosted for us. Thank you both for creating this conversation today.
Scott, I have a question for you (should you return to this thread) and other attorneys here. Though the tone may be a bit flip, my intent is serious; any disrespect in the question is directly to the legal community at large, not to the Constitution-defenders like yourself and our attorneys here at the Lake.
Pryor’s apparently criminal and certaintly unethical actions on multiple matters may ultimately be overturned (I sure hope they will) as Siegelman’s appeals progress. Yet that appropriate relief for Siegelman will not remove Pryor’s power on the Appelate Bench.
As impeachment is the only mechanism by which Pryor can removed, the fact the legal and judicial authorities aren’t demanding his removal as a matter of course appalls me – and fascinates my inner shrink.
Pryor’s behavior is so corrupt – this prosecution is so corrupt – and yet I don’t see or hear the legal establishment (or even Dem attorneys) publicly calling for the only way to stop Pryor from possibly abusing power: impeachment.
As much as organized medicine sucks, even the AMA and state medical boards pull licenses from incorrigibly dangerous docs – especially (all too often subsequently) if the doc’s “bad practice” gets big media play. The media – appropriately – run with the story, too – and ask why the doc’s still able to work. And the MD from the doc society du region may get camera time to say what is and is not allowed (like, don’t fuck your patients, even if you’re a plastic surgeon. duh.)
Yet here Pryor’s actions look awful – and great ethical attorneys like Scott and Christy make certain the world knows about it.
I am so sincerely grateful for you both and folks like you (and lhp and hugh and…).
What I don’t see in legal culture is the default value that abuse of power – past or present – gets Judges’ present power pulled.
OK – so the Constitution vests the Impeachment of Federal judges in Congress. And Impeachment’s a poltical decision.
Yet the State of California vests licensure removal in the State Medical Board – and like all State appointments, Board appointments may be quite political.
We docs can usually kill only one person at a time – even working at HMO speeds. Judges who misuse their power – for money, party, jollies, or lunacy – can injure millions. And though they can usually only kill one person at a time, they can imprison many.
If docs have anesthesized a patient to abuse them, everyone expects we’ll lose our licenses. That’s the professional and public culture. We abuse our power to harm patients, we lose that power.
When the very special attorneys we call Federal judges have misused their power to imprison – for party hence money and jollies – I expect the judicial ethics panels and relevant Congressional Committee members to stand around with their briefs up their butts and do nothing. And I expect media and the (vast majority of) legal and public culture to treat Impeachment like some legendary act from the Cargo Cult God, remembered only by elders.
Of course, with overt crimes prosecuted in criminal court, they do pay attention. But for all else – they’ll apparently wait for action by the DOJ – under Bush.
[BTW, what I really hope to learn is that legal culture is crying out for impeachment and I’m too ignorant to know it.]
OK, so what are my questions?
(1) Just as a corrupt doc is often removed only after a series of Medical Board efforts, a corrupt Federal judge may not be removed the first time Congress discusses their Impeachment. But why – when faced with monstrously corrupt Federal judges – does legal and political culture not reflexively attempt their impeachment?
[Docs certainly sound off to patients - and sometimes the media - when they hear another doc’s reported practice deserves Board sanction and removal.]
(2) Why is the cultural norm among attorneys to treat the part of the Constitution setting forth the power of impeachment as though it were near forbidden knowledge, generally not brought up by attorneys to the public, and used even less?
[The media sure don’t let up (nor should they) when an apparently corrupt and/or deadly doc still has a license. Once roused, the Medical Boards don’t, either.]
(3) Why do American media and audience – we the people – apparently expect we’ll have far less vigilance over the corrupt Federal judges among (less than) 2,000 Federal Judges then over the corrupt docs among over 300,000 physicians?
[Do we simply expect the corrupt Federal judges will hide their tracks better? Or that the robes just make them harder to spot? *g*]
(4) And…uh…what does the foregoing say about the expectations for ethical behavior on the Federal bench?
[If our expectations have come to be so low, why?]
(uh – technical correction). State medical boards pull licneses. The AMA (and professional specialty socieites) pull affiliations/memberships.
Damn Kirk!
You ask some of the best questions around. Go on, Doctor, I am anxious to hear what answers you may provoke.
DW, thaks for your kind assessment, but I’m quite legally ignorant.
And I think I was quite late to the dance here…..
Well, considering what has been passing for legally ‘astute’ of late, that might not be any hindrance to encouraging ‘truth and consequences’ …’G’
(*_-)
Pete, seems to me that after all this time in prison w/o transcript, and no ability to prepare merits appeal w/o such, habeas is due. I hope the good Governor is not holding his breath for any ‘investigation,’ as a properly done appeal should short-circuit the need for such, vis a vis getting him out of there.
Not familiar with Giancola. Distinguishes between appeal bond issues and merits appeal?
I hope Governor’s counsel is able properly to handle such; as you suggested, he apparently didn’t seek recusal of fuller.
Scott, thanks for hanging with this.
Scott, Super article in March Harpers.