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		<title>By: MarktheSpark</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/02/collective-punishment/#comment-1310558</link>
		<dc:creator>MarktheSpark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow– the trolls in favor of genocide (”Shoah”) are really out in force in posts 146, 149, 151-3, etc. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A racist government bombs civilian areas killing 30 ordinary noncombatants in one day alone and it’s all okay, or somehow the victims’ faults. After all as your former Likud tourism minister said, the Palestinians are “cockroaches in a bottle,” subhumans to be exterminated, or as former P.M. Begin said “beasts  that walk on two legs.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And the pathetic lies these fans of murder tell: “Israel exercises its power within the international law”! Ha ha, that’s rich! They’ve been in violation of UN resolution 242 for decades. They torture (but only Palestinian “terrorists”, that thug that killed Rabin for trying to make peace is never harmed), murder children (20 in the last day or so), practice collective punishment and other tactics borrowed straight from the Nazi.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Like John McInsain they believe that if the objects of their imperial terror resist or fight back they must be more thoroughly exterminated. Frightening, evil, racist sons of bitches!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you fdl for at least telling the true story of this ethnic cleansing &amp; horror.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow– the trolls in favor of genocide (”Shoah”) are really out in force in posts 146, 149, 151-3, etc. </p>
<p>A racist government bombs civilian areas killing 30 ordinary noncombatants in one day alone and it’s all okay, or somehow the victims’ faults. After all as your former Likud tourism minister said, the Palestinians are “cockroaches in a bottle,” subhumans to be exterminated, or as former P.M. Begin said “beasts  that walk on two legs.”</p>
<p>And the pathetic lies these fans of murder tell: “Israel exercises its power within the international law”! Ha ha, that’s rich! They’ve been in violation of UN resolution 242 for decades. They torture (but only Palestinian “terrorists”, that thug that killed Rabin for trying to make peace is never harmed), murder children (20 in the last day or so), practice collective punishment and other tactics borrowed straight from the Nazi.</p>
<p>Like John McInsain they believe that if the objects of their imperial terror resist or fight back they must be more thoroughly exterminated. Frightening, evil, racist sons of bitches!</p>
<p>Thank you fdl for at least telling the true story of this ethnic cleansing &amp; horror.</p>
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		<title>By: SueN</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/02/collective-punishment/#comment-1310164</link>
		<dc:creator>SueN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If the US had rockets frequently fired into its cities from Mexico, I warrant that the response would be bloodier than anything Israel has undertaken in Gaza. The Palestinians in Gaza democratically chose Hamas and its uncompromising hostility towards Israel. Their Government chooses to launch rockets indiscriminately into Israel, which is something that no sovereign nation could tolerate. Why aren’t peace activists flocking into Gaza and attempting to stop Hamas’s belligerency? Here was an opportunity for the Palestinians to show that they could function as a peaceful state, which would then put pressure on Israel to withdraw from other territories. Instead, we are once again reminded that the only acceptable solution for the Palestinians,apparently, is the eradication of Israel.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the US had rockets frequently fired into its cities from Mexico, I warrant that the response would be bloodier than anything Israel has undertaken in Gaza. The Palestinians in Gaza democratically chose Hamas and its uncompromising hostility towards Israel. Their Government chooses to launch rockets indiscriminately into Israel, which is something that no sovereign nation could tolerate. Why aren’t peace activists flocking into Gaza and attempting to stop Hamas’s belligerency? Here was an opportunity for the Palestinians to show that they could function as a peaceful state, which would then put pressure on Israel to withdraw from other territories. Instead, we are once again reminded that the only acceptable solution for the Palestinians,apparently, is the eradication of Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: AbeBird</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/02/collective-punishment/#comment-1310132</link>
		<dc:creator>AbeBird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Israel exercises its power within the international law. All military acts are checked and balanced in proportion to the threat, violence and intentions of the enemy.  On the other hand, the Islamic terror groups, who ever they are, act as terror use to act: against civilians. Hamas shows its cowardly actions by launching terrorist attacks against civilians in Israel, using Palestinian civilians as human shields, fire rockets from their roof’ houses and provoking the IDF with no option but to retaliate and eliminate the roots of the activity. Hamas has again demonstrated its distortions of the truth blaming Israel and using their propaganda tactics against Israel to besmirch Israel as a perpetrator of genocide. Why don’t the media headline Israeli civilian casualties instead of pointing the blame at Israel? Israel is acting in its self defense as would any democratic country! Palestinians shoot rockets, send bombers and rejoice when they kill innocent Israeli people. Their actions prove they do NOT want to live in peace. Israel can and should defend herself from those Muslim warmongers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Palestinian Arabs elected a government dedicated to the eradication of the Jewish state. The Palestinian electorate must now accept the consequences of that decision. Since the Israeli pull-out from Gaza in august 2005, around 4,000 rockets have landed on Israeli populated soil. And rockets are not Danish cartoons as you know! The Israelis were fully entitled to retaliate as a measure of defense. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Hamas government (if one can call it that) is, explicitly, dedicated to the complete eradication of the Jewish state. Hamas leaders call for eliminating Israel from the face of the earth. Israel has long ago already accepted the legitimacy of one Palestinian state (Jordan, which was part of Mandate Palestine) and is prepared to accept the legitimacy of a second (”Palestine”). This is the official policy of the elected government of Israel.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Israel has the right to self defense after they relinquished Gaza totally into Hamas hands in August 2005 who then permitted not less than 4005 (uuupppppssss, 5 rockets more fell in the western Negev since I wrote the former paragraph) rockets. They then attacked Israel proper and kidnapped a soldier. They knew they were playing with fire. All they had to do was to release him as was requested by most countries. But no - they want Israel in; to create sympathy for them selves. It doesn’t wash. They are getting what they deserve and I hope that the world will see one less terrorist organization in the near future.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel exercises its power within the international law. All military acts are checked and balanced in proportion to the threat, violence and intentions of the enemy.  On the other hand, the Islamic terror groups, who ever they are, act as terror use to act: against civilians. Hamas shows its cowardly actions by launching terrorist attacks against civilians in Israel, using Palestinian civilians as human shields, fire rockets from their roof’ houses and provoking the IDF with no option but to retaliate and eliminate the roots of the activity. Hamas has again demonstrated its distortions of the truth blaming Israel and using their propaganda tactics against Israel to besmirch Israel as a perpetrator of genocide. Why don’t the media headline Israeli civilian casualties instead of pointing the blame at Israel? Israel is acting in its self defense as would any democratic country! Palestinians shoot rockets, send bombers and rejoice when they kill innocent Israeli people. Their actions prove they do NOT want to live in peace. Israel can and should defend herself from those Muslim warmongers.</p>
<p>The Palestinian Arabs elected a government dedicated to the eradication of the Jewish state. The Palestinian electorate must now accept the consequences of that decision. Since the Israeli pull-out from Gaza in august 2005, around 4,000 rockets have landed on Israeli populated soil. And rockets are not Danish cartoons as you know! The Israelis were fully entitled to retaliate as a measure of defense. </p>
<p>The Hamas government (if one can call it that) is, explicitly, dedicated to the complete eradication of the Jewish state. Hamas leaders call for eliminating Israel from the face of the earth. Israel has long ago already accepted the legitimacy of one Palestinian state (Jordan, which was part of Mandate Palestine) and is prepared to accept the legitimacy of a second (”Palestine”). This is the official policy of the elected government of Israel.</p>
<p>Israel has the right to self defense after they relinquished Gaza totally into Hamas hands in August 2005 who then permitted not less than 4005 (uuupppppssss, 5 rockets more fell in the western Negev since I wrote the former paragraph) rockets. They then attacked Israel proper and kidnapped a soldier. They knew they were playing with fire. All they had to do was to release him as was requested by most countries. But no &#8211; they want Israel in; to create sympathy for them selves. It doesn’t wash. They are getting what they deserve and I hope that the world will see one less terrorist organization in the near future.</p>
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		<title>By: donaxle</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/02/collective-punishment/#comment-1309997</link>
		<dc:creator>donaxle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In recent years we have bombed Serbia, Libya, Iraq, Nicaragua, and many other places with less cause than Israel’s wreckless cross-border killing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In recent years we have bombed Serbia, Libya, Iraq, Nicaragua, and many other places with less cause than Israel’s wreckless cross-border killing.</p>
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		<title>By: AbeBird</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/02/collective-punishment/#comment-1309886</link>
		<dc:creator>AbeBird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sure you could. I am from Brussles, Belgium, studying my MA in TA university.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure you could. I am from Brussles, Belgium, studying my MA in TA university.</p>
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		<title>By: robgard</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/02/collective-punishment/#comment-1309718</link>
		<dc:creator>robgard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Being born and raised in the Detroit area of parents and grandparents also born and raised in the U.S., I fully agree with the posting from Abe Bird.  My native language is English, and that, unfortunately, is the only language that I speak, read, or understand.  Would the U.S. politicians be urging military restraint if groups in Mexico or Canada, with the tacit support of the local governments (or at the very least, with the policy of non-interference from the local governments, were launching military grade missles from the back yards of civilians/residents across their border at U.S. cities, with the intention of causing massive civilian casualties, and with the knowledge that the U.S. could track the trajectory of those missles, and send their own ordnance right back at the missle launching sites ?  When the same loud voices call for an end to cross-border missile launches while using civilians as human sheilds, then I would expect Israel to respond with restraint.  Until then, the blood of Gaza civilians is on the hands of Hamas. The restraint request should be put to Hamas, to the weapons smugglers of Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon, and to their financial backers in Iran and Saudi Arabia. Condi should be given a pre-paid Visa or Mastercard, loaded with a few hundred dollars, and told to go shoe shopping, and leave any diplomatic heavy lifting to the experts.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being born and raised in the Detroit area of parents and grandparents also born and raised in the U.S., I fully agree with the posting from Abe Bird.  My native language is English, and that, unfortunately, is the only language that I speak, read, or understand.  Would the U.S. politicians be urging military restraint if groups in Mexico or Canada, with the tacit support of the local governments (or at the very least, with the policy of non-interference from the local governments, were launching military grade missles from the back yards of civilians/residents across their border at U.S. cities, with the intention of causing massive civilian casualties, and with the knowledge that the U.S. could track the trajectory of those missles, and send their own ordnance right back at the missle launching sites ?  When the same loud voices call for an end to cross-border missile launches while using civilians as human sheilds, then I would expect Israel to respond with restraint.  Until then, the blood of Gaza civilians is on the hands of Hamas. The restraint request should be put to Hamas, to the weapons smugglers of Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon, and to their financial backers in Iran and Saudi Arabia. Condi should be given a pre-paid Visa or Mastercard, loaded with a few hundred dollars, and told to go shoe shopping, and leave any diplomatic heavy lifting to the experts.</p>
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		<title>By: brendanx</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/02/collective-punishment/#comment-1309674</link>
		<dc:creator>brendanx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Do you mind if I ask your native language?  Just so we know where you’re coming from?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you mind if I ask your native language?  Just so we know where you’re coming from?</p>
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		<title>By: brendanx</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/02/collective-punishment/#comment-1309672</link>
		<dc:creator>brendanx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Siun:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A representative U.S. headline in response to these events:  “Palestinians Call Off Peace Talks”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siun:</p>
<p>A representative U.S. headline in response to these events:  “Palestinians Call Off Peace Talks”.</p>
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		<title>By: AbeBird</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/02/collective-punishment/#comment-1309514</link>
		<dc:creator>AbeBird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I deplore your suggestion that Jews can’t defend them selves because they are stronger than their attackers. 70 years ago Europe didn’t let the Jews to defend them selves by keeping them weak and separated.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Imbalance of power is not a criterion to decide if the Israelis are good or bad’ right or wrong. It’s not ashame to be strong in hostile Muslim turmoil. Should Israel apologize and sit aside while the Arab Palestinian Gazans rocket southern Israel for years? Should Israel let the Hamas and the PLO to armament their ranks and have planes and tanks in their hands? Are you crazy? Should Israelis spend 7 years (and not 2 days as Ahmed Abdullah in Gaza!) ?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the Hamas have stopped its “Annihilation of the Jews in Palestine” program and stopped all its terror actions, Israel would not attack any one in Gaza. Israel only operates against existing terror preparation and activity to launch rockets or send suicide bombers on civilians in Israel (”Collective punishment” against Israel which you ignore). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Until the Arabs understand that simple fact Israel has all rights and duty to protect its civilians by any measurable means including firing into terror activity spots within populated Gazan areas, action they avoided until now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Those who didn’t call for cease fire when the Gazans sent rocket into Israel have no moral right to criticize Israel now !&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I deplore your suggestion that Jews can’t defend them selves because they are stronger than their attackers. 70 years ago Europe didn’t let the Jews to defend them selves by keeping them weak and separated.</p>
<p>Imbalance of power is not a criterion to decide if the Israelis are good or bad’ right or wrong. It’s not ashame to be strong in hostile Muslim turmoil. Should Israel apologize and sit aside while the Arab Palestinian Gazans rocket southern Israel for years? Should Israel let the Hamas and the PLO to armament their ranks and have planes and tanks in their hands? Are you crazy? Should Israelis spend 7 years (and not 2 days as Ahmed Abdullah in Gaza!) ?</p>
<p>If the Hamas have stopped its “Annihilation of the Jews in Palestine” program and stopped all its terror actions, Israel would not attack any one in Gaza. Israel only operates against existing terror preparation and activity to launch rockets or send suicide bombers on civilians in Israel (”Collective punishment” against Israel which you ignore). </p>
<p>Until the Arabs understand that simple fact Israel has all rights and duty to protect its civilians by any measurable means including firing into terror activity spots within populated Gazan areas, action they avoided until now.</p>
<p>Those who didn’t call for cease fire when the Gazans sent rocket into Israel have no moral right to criticize Israel now !</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/02/collective-punishment/#comment-1309398</link>
		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 06:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for this, Siun. Your assessments of the Middle East are always right on target. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why is it that Uri Avnery’s description of “Israelis” sound exactly like a description of George W. Bush’s foreign policy?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this, Siun. Your assessments of the Middle East are always right on target. </p>
<p>Why is it that Uri Avnery’s description of “Israelis” sound exactly like a description of George W. Bush’s foreign policy?</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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