"Collective punishment" is the name of the game, in both Gaza and in Iraq. The video clip above provides just a taste of what this looks like from inside Palestinian neighborhoods. Yesterday alone at least 60 Palestinians were reported killed in the latest Israeli attacks on Gaza.
While Israel’s Deputy Defense minister Matan Vilnai threatens the people of Gaza with a "shoah," Gush Shalom, the Israeli peace party, gathered today to once again demand an end to the "siege of Gaza" by the Israeli government. Sadly, the Hamas led elected government of Gaza has been offering a cease fire and the majority of Israeli citizens support a cease fire:
Yossi Beilin, the former minister and ex-leader of the left of centre Meretz Party, said that a diplomatic rather than military solution was needed. He said that Hamas had at least twice made requests "via a third party" to agree a truce. He added: "My solution is to reach a ceasefire with Hamas."
A Haaretz-Dialog poll this week showed that 64 per cent of Israelis were in favour of such an agreement to end the rocket fire, and secure the release of the Israeli corporal, Gilad Shalit, who was abducted by Gaza militants in June 2006.
but these calls for an end to the violence go unmentioned in the US press and unanswered by both Olmert and the Bush administration.
The latest violence follows an increase in rocket attacks on Israel – following the killing of five Hamas members by Israeli forces. And this all occurs in the context of Israel’s blockade which prevents Gaza residents from access to proper food, water and humanitarian supplies:
Following the Hamas takeover of Gaza last summer, the embargo has been intensified and this coastal territory has been largely shut off from the outside world.
Israel, which controls most of Gaza’s borders, only allows essential goods – such as medicine and basic foodstuffs – to enter the territory. Almost none of Gaza’s 1.5 million citizens are allowed to leave.
Ahmed Abdullah, 61, a retired headmaster, says he spent the last two days terrified in his home as fighting raged round him.
He had no candles or batteries – the economic boycott has led to widespread shortages – and following an electrical power cut sat in the dark unable to obtain information from his radio about the fighting.
Mr Abdullah says the only way to stop the violence is to allow to Hamas govern.
"We voted democratically and we’re punished for our choice," he said.
"They need to be given a chance, they need to breathe. If you give Hamas a political opportunity then it will only moderate the movement."
Uri Avnery, a leader of Gush Shalom, provides a very good overview of the situation – and a sane call for an end to the violence in his essay "Good Morning Hamas"
We Israelis live in a world of ghosts and monsters. We do not conduct a war against living persons and real organizations, but against devils and demons which are out to destroy us. It is a war between the Sons of Light and the Sons of Darkness, between absolute good and absolute evil. That’s how it looks to us, and that’s how it looks to the other side, too.
Let’s try to bring this war down from virtual spheres to the solid ground of reality. There can be no reasonable policy, nor even rational discussion, if we do not escape from the realm of horrors and nightmares.
More valuable background can be found in Al Jazeera’s People and Power report on the "rocket men" and the Israeli forces who hunt them. Part one is here, part two here.
We’ve often noted that US tactics in Iraq have mirrored the Israeli military’s tactics and this weekend we again see the disaster this approach creates. Collective punishment of the residents of Gaza is not so different and no less illegal than the ongoing killing of civilians by US forces in Iraq. Just this week, there are reports – again unmentioned in our own press – that US troops shot and killed an elderly, deaf, disabled man in Miqdadiya , a US air strike killed an Iraqi teenager who was digging roots for firewood north of Samara and
"Three civilians were wounded when U.S. forces blew up an explosive vehicle in al-Eslah a-Zirai district, western Mosul," Brig. Khalid Abdul-Sattar, the spokesman for the Ninewa operations command, told Aswat al-Iraq – Voices of Iraq – (VOI). "The U.S. troops opened fire at the vehicle, leaving three people nearby wounded," he added.
AFP reports that Iraqi violence "surged" in February with 636 civilians deaths reported "compared with 541 dead in January."
When we will learn to look to leaders like Bellin and Avnery for guidance rather than the provocative and inhumane hawks such as Vilnai?
Related posts:
- Gaza – Some Things Never Change
- President Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize, Wingnuts Throw Collective Temper Tantrum
- US Contractors Held in Iraqi Jail for Green Zone Murder
- You Can’t Chew Meat Unless You Have Some Teeth – Jerusalem Evictions Continue
- Obama in Cairo: Aspirations, Admonitions, but No Apologies





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Siun!
I’m appalled the Israelis are calling for ’shoah’… 8-(
Siun you are a breath of fresh air. It’s appalling how little air time is given to people who want to talk to each other.
What is shoah, please?
Essentially, Jihad or crusade in various other forms… 8-(
Evening!
Twain – Shoah is the hebrew word used for the Holocaust though it can also mean disaster but that usage is very very rare.
I stand corrected…! *g*
the holocaust.
The Israelis themselves now admit that they’ve killed 70. And “Shoah” is the word for “Holocaust” in Hebrew.
BRB
Dubhaltach
I just saw reports in Haaretz and Jpost that the IDF (Israeli Defense Forces) counted another 12 Palestinians killed today – not including the teenager they killed on the West Bank today .. and that they are gearing up for even stronger actions against Gaza.
Olmert is meeting with lawyers tomorrow to see if it is legal to bomb residential neighborhoods (though it sure seems that is already being done.)
Hello Siunshine, Do you have any idea what to make of this (if anything)?
Update: Masrour Barzani arrested in Vienna? [Michael Rubin]
Aloha, Du! I was just gonna ask Siun if you’d pop by for a visit! *g*
The U.S. lowered the bar on war crimes in Iraq. And look what happens. I only hope other countries don’t become as inured as we have.
Hadn’t seen that Eureka … perhaps our Guides friends have a comment?
It does point to the unsavory “friends” we have adopted in Iraq though…
Laura … not sure if you’ve read Pity the Nation by Robert Fisk about Israel’s actions in Lebanon but it is like a road map for our actions in Iraq … and the results are as brutal.
Crsp. How is that not an act of war? I hope the lawyers tell Olmert so, and that he’ll be visiting the Hague on a one-way ticket if he does bomb residential neighborhoods.
What, with cluster bombs…?! 8-(
Also the following in the FDL newsbox:
US and Arab states clash at UN Security Council
Just like in America, the citizens are outraged and want to see some peace and the governments of Israel & America won’t listen.
I haven’t, but I shall. Thank you. (Hi Du.)
How can shock and awe not be a war crime, while we’re at it?
Kay … the persistence of Gush Shalom in the face of such ongoing odds really inspires me. They’ve been pushing for peace and sanity for so long and we could learn a lot of lessons from them.
The National Review are as usual way behind times we’ve been reporting on that for ages. He’s a Kurdish human rights activist and a “clean government campaigner” and very brave. He got badly tortured when he was detained by Barzani’s thugs in Arbil and only was released after all hell broke loose in the European press about it. Masrour Barzani is Barzani’s son and is widely believed by well-informed sources to be even more vicious than his dad.
Du – thank you for filling that in.
The continuing support of thugs is an important story.
not to worry, our secretary of state is headed to israel and the occupied territories tomorrow. i’m sure she’ll get it all sorted out. /snark
on a serious note… .yes, the people who continue to advocate for a just peace are inspiring and i wish we would start listening to them.
ES, if the resolution was strongly worded it would be torpedoed by the US when it gets to the Security council anyways…! 8-(
From BBC News:
Hello Siun,
Thank you for continuing to speak out and blog on these ME issues.
Having read your post, I have to admit to being nearly stunned into virtual silence. Yes, I knew the outlines of this, but not in such detail.
The Israeli actions in Lebanon were an abomination. One of my dearest friends is from a family (Christian mother, Jewish father) who left Berlin in 1933. Although he identifies himself as a secular Jew (my label), and lost family in the Holocaust, he abhors the actions of the Israeli government. Said at the time of the most recent attacks on Lebanon that the Israeli government is using exactly the same abhorrent tactics that were used against the Jewish population during the Holocaust.
Hi siun!
from Paris…
Ironically, Abbas has no support from Gaza, a hollow gesture indeed…!
Selise … Condi going to Israel is so reassuring (not) and the Israelis are already preparing their comments for her:
Biodun, I thought you’d be amidst your hot date, right about now, your future bride, IIRC…! *g*
I see they’ve finally finished putting up the posting for today on “guides” if you scroll past the Arabic and hit the jump you’ll get to read about what went on today in Irak from Arabic sources summarised into English:
Those two day old terrorists are the worst.
Ohhh, Olmert getting a little testy with Rice? My, my, my. She can tell him to do as we say, and not as we do, huh?
Condoleeza Rice is probably the most incompetant high rank gov official of our lifetime.
Totally unprepared for the job as National Security Adviser; one reason that 9/11 was not foreseen or prevented, even though she had been briefed by the outgoing admin. Should have been fired on 9/12/2001.
Instead, continues to be incompetant as Sec of State at a time when we have needed world class talent. Shame.
I’m guessing she’ll make the appropriate “gosh we’re concerned” noises and then arrange another rush shipment of clusterbombs
The sheer irony is astounding, Du! What a travesty…! 8-(
Conditions in Gaza appear to be worse than the situations on Native Indian reservations in this country a hundred and seventy years ago. The people of Gaza are living their own “trail of tears”.
Lahoma.
swell (not)
thanks for covering this siun.
Yes.
Kiddo … very apt!
The rhetoric is heating up all over the region this is from the Saudi government press agency:
They’re starting to realise the level of fury in the general population and are getting worried and it’s not just the Saudis.
As a backgrounder you might want to read the entirety of the Analysis by Darryl Li again here’s a quote:
Aloha, Lahoma! Is OKK still sore…? Did ya see my Lenin comment on the Book Salon thread…? 8-)
so sad, no learning from the past.
glad to see you here again Lahoma.
Didn’t the US recently deploy a war ship of some sort near the area?
we had a great dinner last night at a couscous restaurant on rue Xavier Privas in the Latin Quarter–not too far from where she lives…We had drinks afterward, and then retired for the night–separately. I need to sleep to get up for work at 3:30 AM Monday (Paris Time). I’m working now–double-dipping as usual when I’m at the Lake.
In any case, Assia and I are both headed fro London on the EuroStar in a coupla hours…I have to be at Bush House (BBC HQ) to meet with some powers that be–negotiate my contract–current one ends in August. (So far I’ve been under subcontract with one of their major US correspondents, a close friend of mine who was in grad school with me at U of MN in the mid-1970s).
Assia and I will spend sometime in London, then take the EuroStar back to Paris…I’m not sure what’s happening tonight. Tomorrow morning Paris Time, I head back to the US, to Minneapolis…
Looks like Assia and I are in for the haul…we’ll see how things unfold.
welcome back, my friend…*g*
Yes. I keep thinking we’ve learned something as a folk, but we haven’t. Not well enough, anyway. Indifference to the suffering of others is the most invidious form of hate.
The wall the Israelis are building reminds me of the Berlin Wall…
Insanity. Here we go again. No shame.
Picture
More here
Lahoma @ 40 click here
Off the Lebanese coast (Hey there, ES!)
You’re a true Stud Muffin…! Good Luck, all the way around! *g*
Hello CTuttle.
L.
Yeppers, the USS Cole, no less…! ;-)
Look, I’ve said this before here: Condi’s expertise was the old Soviet Union, which collapsed outta history in 1991. And Condi’s expertise disappeared along with that of the defunct Soviets. The current Russia is not at all the same Russia that was part of the extinct Soviet Union.
Translation: Condi has been left since 1991 with a totally useless expertise and a body of knowledge.
The Middle East? She’s completely benighted– and at sea…
Aloha, Ma’am!
They remind me of the walls the Germans built around the Ghetto in Warsaw and so do the walls being built in Baghdad, Baqubah, Fallujah, al Basrah, Tal Afar, Al-Mosul, Kerkuk,
Need I go on?
I posted the onion bread for you down in Rule of Law Still Clinging to Life
Useful and interesting editorial in the Daily Star from Lebanon:
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/ar…..ateg_id=17
Ding.
Hello Laura, Hope you are feeling better this evening.
Got it. Thanks so much..)
Not at all! I fully concur with your apt analogy! 8-)
So true. Good to “see” you Lahoma.
Just one story from today in Gaza:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new…..aza203.xml
Hello Biodun Ignila.
L.
Wouldn’t it be great if everybody with out of date expertise could still get a job with benefits?
Lots of folks here in the U.S. need that deal.
Hello Du, and the best as always. Where are you posting from?
Thank you for posting on these abominations, Siun. The silence has been deafening from the, um, media and I am wearing out the floors by stomping on them while cursing a blue streak everytime I hear/see/think about the tepid pablum we are being served up on the “news” while people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Gaza etc are being terrorized, murdered, starved, frozen, maimed and much more.
How is it that all of our “leaders” vociferously support our and Israel’s right to defense but dismiss and revile the notion that a Palestinian/Iraqi/Afghan has that same right/obligation in the face of brutal occupation and terror???????
How come UN Security Council resolutions only count when it applies to others– you know, the ones we don’t like??????
How come international law does not apply to us or our allies?????
Just some questions I have.
Thought I’d add Mexico…for the hell of it…oh, and Canada…too.
Compartmentalization. Isn’t that the latest “word”.? Lock everybody behind all kinds of “walls”…real walls, firewalls, wallmart..
This f*cking madness needs to stop…! 8-(
An affectionate hello Loo Hoo.
L.
Full account of clashes, with map, from BBC News here.
Listen live to BBC World Service Radio here.
(World Today, the premier news program of BBC, will be on air until 5 AM Monday-GMT)
Time-Zone World Clock here…
Not yet, but I will, thank you. Of course, compared with ordinary life in Gaza or Fallujah or… a little flu is pfft.
Du, how is your son doing?
Hello Laura Doty.
L.
I am at home in Denmark, dad is somewhere close to Baqubah, where exactly I don’t know, Mohammed Hashi, is in al-Mosul, Mohammed Ibn Laith is I think hope and pray back in al-Sadriyah, and I’ve no idea where Khaled Al Basrawi is posting from.
Biodun … thanks!
Since the BBC only provides a windows friendly stream, folks with Macs can hear it overnight on several NPR stations listed under Public on Itunes (I listen to KCRW or WBUR.
Even better, look for streams from Al Jazeera English here: http://english.aljazeera.net/N…..62E31A.htm
and Link TV’s Mosaic broadcast daily here: http://www.linktv.org/mosaic/streamsArchive/
So, while we have been innundated by HRC/Obama/McCain overkill, they are killing MORE innocent people….?!?
Stop!!!! Stop!!!!!
Hello, dear Lahoma.
Hello John in Sacto. Our former home. Before we came home.
L.
LS – each Saturday I do a scroll through several news sources, and each week there are more accounts of Iraqi civilians killed by US troops … but not reported in the US. (And horrifically, we have to assume these reports are not in any way complete)
Hello foxman.
L.
Du…Fy faen i helvede!!! Stritt imot!
Without a doubt…I can’t stand it!
Siun,
I can hear BBC from Biodun’s link on my Mac. Try Flip4Mac if you don’t have it, allows macs to play Windows Media.
Continuing our Sunday night tradition of encouraging donations to the Red Crescent, here’s an article about the work of RC aides in Gaza:
http://www.ifrc.org/docs/news/08/08020101/
He’s doing well enough ctuttle a kidney removal in a baby that young is a big thing but the alternative was far worse, he’s still in a lot of discomfort but healing well. He’s happiest when we put him with the twins as babys always find other babys fascinating and he seems to like the way they gurgle and wave their assorted paws at him :-)
Erdla and I have forgotten the meaning of “sleep” :-)))
And torture cases, of course, we only learn about MUCH later. Still, to imagine it’s not happening is, I believe, naiive.
Thanks Foxman … I continue to be mad at the Beeb for their refusal to directly support Macs (and having listened to them each night for over 10 years, it’s gotten personal y’know )
Oh, Du, my heart goes out to you, your family and your extended family. Now, and whenever I see you at FDL. Thank you for all you do. I will stop now, because whatever else I might say just won’t measure up…
But you certainly haven’t forgotten the meaning of the word love, I’m quite sure. : )
“paws” *G* Awwwww….
As a teacher, I know that Collective Punishment neither works or is fair. Plus, teachers that use it lose all respect from all of the students.
Get a pineapple and stick an aerial in it it’ll be at least as good as an Apple ® and you can actually eat the damned thing.
Meanwhile, things are about to blow up in our own hemisphere:
From BBC News:
watch your step Du ….LOL!
LS, the raygun makes some people giggle. At least one high level woman in the air force. She thinks it’s great!
I figured that was understood. (Personal opinion: the Hague should only be the first of what happens to Darth and his ‘advisers’.)
Your tuxedo and blunt beak don’t frighten me :-) Here have a herring :-)
hi Laura: I’ve enjoyed all your Karma messages!
Awk Awk!!!
http://www.cracked.com/phpimag…../7/277.jpg
: ) They are fun to send–a little cyber-ki. Thanks back atcha.
Is that not insane?? I giggled when I go shot by this “machine” by the son of a citizen…
Excuse me?
understood. and don’t get me started on Quicktime vs Windows Media.
I’m an audio engineer and mac user since 1985.
Heh, ya know how to bait her, eh? I empathize with ya and Erdla, god bless…! I pray for a speedy recovery…! 8-)
Stop them, don’t let them stop us!
Me too, GG.
From Gideon Levy
http://files.tikkun.org/curren…..4135509310
Hi Du– all the best and blessings to your big and wonderful family.
Angie – thank you.
Why have U.S. & Israel not figured out yet how efficient Xyklon B gas can be? All this random bombing costs way to much and takes much too long.
Yes that was the last one who decided to indulge in unprovoked agression and met neighbourhood watch – let me count in this road alone. 6 households consisting of at least one army officer, there are 2 houesholds with military police, one with a navy captain, one with an investigating magistrate, two with prosecuting attorneys, nine with ordinary civilian police, and three with instructors at the police academy, it’s that sort of neighbourhood :-)
Neighborhood watch? that’s neighborhood fortress! wow!
I’m heartened by the fact that some sane individuals see the light, namely, Carter by denouncing the Israeli’s actions… A faint glimmer, I might add… A*P*C is too influential…! 8-(
It really is important to note the opposition from Israelis to these crimes … these are brave souls who speak up … as are the Israeli pilots who have refused to bomb in the past.
Aliens: “Get away from her you B**ch!!!”
Thanks VG, Angie, CTut, Loo Hoo, et al. He’s a sweet child and is recovering very well.
My humble apologies, there are principled people in Israel, I wasn’t denigrating all Israelis, Haifa is the center of my faith, as a Baha’i…! *g*
It is still being manufactured in the Czech Republic.
CT – I was agreeing, not criticizing.
Didn’t know you were Baha’i – fascinating faith.
Murder Rate Stats from the 2000 election:
Blue states: 13.2 murders per 100,000
Red states: 2.1 murders per 100,000
Ironically, Chemical Ali is about to be executed shortly, eCAHN…!
Totally off-topic question: Has Looseheadprop stopped posting on FDL?
{{{{angie, Valley Girl, Siun & Mark from Ireland}}}}
I’ve been so busy for weeks on Sunday afternoon, I rarely have been free to stop by when Siun tells us about so many things we are not supposed to know or be able to think about in the USA…
No Liberal Heart – but LHP is very busy and does not post at a specific time but when something inspires her.
ET – I was thinking of you last week with all the Exxon coverage.
Please tell her to get inspired soon because I miss her posts.
(Thanks for the response, Siun. Love your posts, too.)
She made an appearance during the book salon…!
I’m expecting a 4-4 tie, with the decision coming out in mid-June.
Did the supremes rule for or against Exxon? Or yet?
4-4 tie means the people win, right?
The appellate court had ruled in favor of the people!
Alito is recused because he owns quite a bit of Exxon stock. Roberts won’t want to compromise and lower the award, so the 9th Circuit Court decision will probably stand, which awards the plaintiffs damages plus interest.
Sorry to drift this thread away from the channel…
And very few people in Irak will mourn him ct – even in Ba’athist neighbourhoods they reckon he’s getting what’s coming to him. There’ll be some protests but more for form than out of any mourning for him. Also he had a reputation as being a physical coward which doesn’t go down well.
Karma’s a bitch…! 8-)
Mahalo, Du and Siun as always…! *g*
good evening CT … mahalo!
In my more malicious moments I wonder if a whole heap of people could get a little bit of preemptive karrma to go along with their preemptive wars. I’ve got an old devil costume from a costume party years ago and if someone wants to supply the lake of burning sulphur I’m sure I could manage the expense of a really sharp pitchfork and an airticket for you to come and help :-)
Hmmm… my acceptance comment was swallowed up…! Du, I’d be honored to assist your efforts! *g*
I’ve long been far beyond the pale in believing that the Isreali’s, Likud, and USA are to blame for the Palistinean’s horrific slaughters.
In the 70’s, I was not convinced, but I was young.
Now, I’m convinced, and I’m not so young. I’m long beyond the pale. It’s just too phreakin obvious.
Wrong, is wrong.
And the plight of the Palistinean’s, and their abject existence and continued slaughter is unacceptable, considering the USA helped CREATE Isreal, by taking the Palistinean’s lands, in the first place.
N THAT was cuz the USA didn’t want a buncha Jews making camps and lands here . . . course, there WAS that pesky issue of who owns Jerusalem, Arabs or Christians. And of course, the oil, even then, there was the oil.
Never to be resolved, I guess, not in MY lifetime. I got 20-30 years left on this rock, I’ll be surprised to see THIS one resolved.
Bhudda help them all, I sure can’t help the Jews OR The Palistineans. No matter WHAT I do.
But I sure as shit can blame someone. I’ve cast my blame.
Based on history, and repeated behavior, I’ve cast my blame where it belongs.
A pox on them all, for making war, on a dispossed people shackled behind walls.
A pox on them all. And a blessing, for the oppressed.
Harumph.
Siun
Thank you for the post.
The deliberate infection of blankets with smallpox, and he distribution of same, to Native American’s back then in our history, I would hardly equate with the Gaza Strip issues.
However, both are obvious attempts at exterminating indigenous people’s, and that’s abhorrent, period.
As they say amongst those OTHER indigenous folks of the Himilayan’s, and elsewhere:
Namaste, Lahoma.
Glad to see my misunderstanding of you and Kiddo’s demise from this site is my misunderstanding.
You two both connect with me, often . . . thanks for all you post . . .
Thanks for this, Siun. Your assessments of the Middle East are always right on target.
Why is it that Uri Avnery’s description of “Israelis” sound exactly like a description of George W. Bush’s foreign policy?
Bob in HI
I deplore your suggestion that Jews can’t defend them selves because they are stronger than their attackers. 70 years ago Europe didn’t let the Jews to defend them selves by keeping them weak and separated.
Imbalance of power is not a criterion to decide if the Israelis are good or bad’ right or wrong. It’s not ashame to be strong in hostile Muslim turmoil. Should Israel apologize and sit aside while the Arab Palestinian Gazans rocket southern Israel for years? Should Israel let the Hamas and the PLO to armament their ranks and have planes and tanks in their hands? Are you crazy? Should Israelis spend 7 years (and not 2 days as Ahmed Abdullah in Gaza!) ?
If the Hamas have stopped its “Annihilation of the Jews in Palestine” program and stopped all its terror actions, Israel would not attack any one in Gaza. Israel only operates against existing terror preparation and activity to launch rockets or send suicide bombers on civilians in Israel (”Collective punishment” against Israel which you ignore).
Until the Arabs understand that simple fact Israel has all rights and duty to protect its civilians by any measurable means including firing into terror activity spots within populated Gazan areas, action they avoided until now.
Those who didn’t call for cease fire when the Gazans sent rocket into Israel have no moral right to criticize Israel now !
Siun:
A representative U.S. headline in response to these events: “Palestinians Call Off Peace Talks”.
Do you mind if I ask your native language? Just so we know where you’re coming from?
Being born and raised in the Detroit area of parents and grandparents also born and raised in the U.S., I fully agree with the posting from Abe Bird. My native language is English, and that, unfortunately, is the only language that I speak, read, or understand. Would the U.S. politicians be urging military restraint if groups in Mexico or Canada, with the tacit support of the local governments (or at the very least, with the policy of non-interference from the local governments, were launching military grade missles from the back yards of civilians/residents across their border at U.S. cities, with the intention of causing massive civilian casualties, and with the knowledge that the U.S. could track the trajectory of those missles, and send their own ordnance right back at the missle launching sites ? When the same loud voices call for an end to cross-border missile launches while using civilians as human sheilds, then I would expect Israel to respond with restraint. Until then, the blood of Gaza civilians is on the hands of Hamas. The restraint request should be put to Hamas, to the weapons smugglers of Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon, and to their financial backers in Iran and Saudi Arabia. Condi should be given a pre-paid Visa or Mastercard, loaded with a few hundred dollars, and told to go shoe shopping, and leave any diplomatic heavy lifting to the experts.
Sure you could. I am from Brussles, Belgium, studying my MA in TA university.
In recent years we have bombed Serbia, Libya, Iraq, Nicaragua, and many other places with less cause than Israel’s wreckless cross-border killing.
Israel exercises its power within the international law. All military acts are checked and balanced in proportion to the threat, violence and intentions of the enemy. On the other hand, the Islamic terror groups, who ever they are, act as terror use to act: against civilians. Hamas shows its cowardly actions by launching terrorist attacks against civilians in Israel, using Palestinian civilians as human shields, fire rockets from their roof’ houses and provoking the IDF with no option but to retaliate and eliminate the roots of the activity. Hamas has again demonstrated its distortions of the truth blaming Israel and using their propaganda tactics against Israel to besmirch Israel as a perpetrator of genocide. Why don’t the media headline Israeli civilian casualties instead of pointing the blame at Israel? Israel is acting in its self defense as would any democratic country! Palestinians shoot rockets, send bombers and rejoice when they kill innocent Israeli people. Their actions prove they do NOT want to live in peace. Israel can and should defend herself from those Muslim warmongers.
The Palestinian Arabs elected a government dedicated to the eradication of the Jewish state. The Palestinian electorate must now accept the consequences of that decision. Since the Israeli pull-out from Gaza in august 2005, around 4,000 rockets have landed on Israeli populated soil. And rockets are not Danish cartoons as you know! The Israelis were fully entitled to retaliate as a measure of defense.
The Hamas government (if one can call it that) is, explicitly, dedicated to the complete eradication of the Jewish state. Hamas leaders call for eliminating Israel from the face of the earth. Israel has long ago already accepted the legitimacy of one Palestinian state (Jordan, which was part of Mandate Palestine) and is prepared to accept the legitimacy of a second (”Palestine”). This is the official policy of the elected government of Israel.
Israel has the right to self defense after they relinquished Gaza totally into Hamas hands in August 2005 who then permitted not less than 4005 (uuupppppssss, 5 rockets more fell in the western Negev since I wrote the former paragraph) rockets. They then attacked Israel proper and kidnapped a soldier. They knew they were playing with fire. All they had to do was to release him as was requested by most countries. But no – they want Israel in; to create sympathy for them selves. It doesn’t wash. They are getting what they deserve and I hope that the world will see one less terrorist organization in the near future.
If the US had rockets frequently fired into its cities from Mexico, I warrant that the response would be bloodier than anything Israel has undertaken in Gaza. The Palestinians in Gaza democratically chose Hamas and its uncompromising hostility towards Israel. Their Government chooses to launch rockets indiscriminately into Israel, which is something that no sovereign nation could tolerate. Why aren’t peace activists flocking into Gaza and attempting to stop Hamas’s belligerency? Here was an opportunity for the Palestinians to show that they could function as a peaceful state, which would then put pressure on Israel to withdraw from other territories. Instead, we are once again reminded that the only acceptable solution for the Palestinians,apparently, is the eradication of Israel.
Wow– the trolls in favor of genocide (”Shoah”) are really out in force in posts 146, 149, 151-3, etc.
A racist government bombs civilian areas killing 30 ordinary noncombatants in one day alone and it’s all okay, or somehow the victims’ faults. After all as your former Likud tourism minister said, the Palestinians are “cockroaches in a bottle,” subhumans to be exterminated, or as former P.M. Begin said “beasts that walk on two legs.”
And the pathetic lies these fans of murder tell: “Israel exercises its power within the international law”! Ha ha, that’s rich! They’ve been in violation of UN resolution 242 for decades. They torture (but only Palestinian “terrorists”, that thug that killed Rabin for trying to make peace is never harmed), murder children (20 in the last day or so), practice collective punishment and other tactics borrowed straight from the Nazi.
Like John McInsain they believe that if the objects of their imperial terror resist or fight back they must be more thoroughly exterminated. Frightening, evil, racist sons of bitches!
Thank you fdl for at least telling the true story of this ethnic cleansing & horror.