This has been a fairly ho-hum week in wingnuttery. Nothing very wonderful, just the same old, same old. Ann Althouse is seeing things again, this time jammies inexplicably splattered with racial slurs. But such hallucinations from the Miss Havisham of Madison are by now old hat, and only Kevin Drum finds them startling.
The Corner has of course been festooned with the blackest of crepe, so the NRO monkeys have been unusually subdued, hooting and chittering in an uncharacteristically mournful fashion. The bananas lie on the floor, half peeled and uneaten; the poo has been flung only despondently. (Though Ahab did catch Michael Ledeen being bitchy, probably just to have something juicy to distract K-Lo with as he groomed her fur, carefully removing the ticks, and eating them.) Jonah Goldberg, especially, reads like a Magilla bereft of his Peebles. His attempt to explain exactly why Edmund Burke wasn’t really a fascist seems halfhearted and pitiable. It’s almost as if he knows that he has an endless future before him of having to answer questions exactly like this, because the flatulent thesis of his nitwit book invites them. ("Was Ben Franklin a fascist, Jonah? By your definition, looks like it! What about Lincoln? Joe DiMaggio? Gandhi? Flava-Flav? Barbie dolls, are they fascist? Toasters? Pop Tarts? Huh? What about Pop Tarts? Count Chocula? Lug wrenches — just like Hitler! Hmmm?")
Which is not to say there haven’t been some fine minor moments of right blog lunacy. If you missed the episode where some poor GOP dope from Tennessee took a joke about Barack HUSSEIN!!!11!!ONE! Obama having ties to Kaddahfi seriously, made a mess all over his lap, belatedly realized he looked stupid, and then tried to erase the evidence by flushing the post — well, that was fun.
And we won’t soon forget the name Goeglien, nor his wacky friends. I myself enjoyed Roy’s anatomy of a "conservative" film review, and The Editors’ discussion of why the Right Blogosphere is so adamant about voting reform. And Echidne did a fine job explaining why Joel Stein is so freaking funny, the sexist twerp.
On a final note, I agree with everyone that Tim Russert was full of crap when he demanded that Obama not accept and also reject Louis Farrakhan. What I really want to know is if Obama, and Hillary, would denounce the video below, because dammit, they should, as should all right-thinking folk. John McCain probably beats off to it, the disgusting old pervert.
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Crap! hey Thers
Thers!
Zed?
Evening. Be sure to watch the whole video, right through to the end.
Heh! 8-P
However, Bonne Soir, Ma Cheri!
ohmystars…
Pop tarts are so fucking fascist!
totally accidental – i figured for sure others would get the zed/non-zed before my comment posted
Pumpkin Head had better call out McCain for calling the Catholic Church a Whore! Otherwise I want the Bishops to excomnicate him. Or at least treat him the way the treated Democrat Presidential Candidates who support the right to choose!
Yeah right. Not like you have insider connections or anything. Totally accidental. As in no one could have predicted…
How ya doin’ Suz?
Heh, I wouldn’t blame McCan’t, there’s some USDA Prime beef in that ad…! ;-)
Honestly, if you email Jonah about that, he’d probably answer, in at least 13,450 words, all of them dumb.
Thers- I need to confirm- iS tHat reaLlY a genuine Burger King commercial? Or are you forking with me?
pinkie swear, gordon!
doing ok – getting ready for the meetup tomorrow and having fun playing in the utubes finding stuff for here and my place.
how’s the northern bit of the east coast?
I tells ya… Hmmm…! *g*
Hey, I just realized. “Goeglien” is only two consonants removed from “Joe Klien.”
Coincidence? I think not.
FRITZ…late
I’m trying to Digg this post, but Digg keeps trying to get me to join Digg again, when I’m already a member of Digg. What’s up with that?
When he could have said “they’re covered in white sugar, so they must be good”, right?
forking digg was doing that last weekend too. i resolved it by having them send me the password link and was finally able to get it to work. i hope the fix that “feature” soon.
Oh yes. And that really is Hootie singing it.
It is one of the most ghastly things ever filmed by mortals.
Hillary stop the negative adds on Obama Puhleeze.
Covered in about 14″ of slush that is now freezing into an impenetrable mass. Grrr.
Doesn’t look like this post got a lot of traffic, does it? Was it disappeared that quickly? Heh.
Hee hee. That’s why his book was 400 pages long, so he could say things without saying them at enormous length. He’s a clever boy!
He’s a Master of Disguise.
I saw something today that I put in the category of Wingnut Crap. Matlin was on Russert’s show along with Dee Dee Myers and some journalist whose name I can easily be happy forgetting. She said that in the general election, no one will care about what has happened in Iraq, but they will care only about the “future” in Iraq and who can “deal with Iran” on Day 1. She reasoned further that in polls Iraq had been relegated lately to 3rd behind (I suppose) the economy/jobs and healthcare. Polls are snapshots at best, but it sounds pretty cavalier to dismiss the current fiasco in Iraq with a prim, arrogant sweep of the hand.
I thought that was a metaphor for Republican arrogance towards Iraq, and I didn’t think it would make anyone with skin in the game very happy.
I also saw this clip, and while the Nicholson clips were okay, I didn’t see what it had to do with making a political point at all, but Jeraly seems to:
Jack Nicholson Makes a Video
Thers, if ya think Jonah is a gasbag, check this Rightard out…
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/i…..geId=56494
Good grief!
And, to think, only last night I drove through Burger King and got a special meal- “double whopper with cheese, ff and a coke”- something I have not done in at least six years.
See, the deal was I was listening to a book on tape in the car “R is for Ricochet” by Sue Grafton, and there was this episode where Kinsey and her parolee charge were having a craving for a “Big Mac”. No McDonald’s nearby, but I drove into Burger King…
Corporate America is quite insidious. ;)
Dr. Lyle’s a few years late on that, I’m thinking. Could have made a bucket on that kind of crap a few years ago.
Wingnuttery…corporate oligarchy still has our government taken over.
Congress threw the constituion in the trash can.
Government is spying on us.
The world economy is tanking. Thanks Bushco for the commimg recession now that you have emptied the federal coffers for the next four years and food is becoming dear…is that wing nut enough for the week…cover that all with torture prisons all over the world. Retched Bastards.
So in the dead-tree version, it’s a steak and a baked potato?
I don’t know if I’ve read that one.
I get my alphabet all mixed up, but I’ve read a lot of them, and, I think Kinsey stops in a McDonalds for a Big Mac in all of the novels.
And, it’s a good thing that it’s quiet time in this house and I’m moving slowly towards the B Room, or I’d have to run down the hill and get me a…
cheeseburger.
(1) is just another example of “but this is good news for Republicans!” (repeated ad nauseum after every scandal of the last 5 years).
(2) at this point, Clinton loyalists are using the Sun-Times (Bob Novack’s home paper), or WingNutDaily or theCityGuide or any other source they can find. Don’t hold it against them. They’ll come around.
Thers! Always make me laugh. Thank you so much.
You can find this ‘theory’ floated on tons of thug blogs day in and day out–it’s pretty typical of the stuff on WorldnetDaily. It’s the mantra of Rt. Wing Radio, the emails that Rove and Gillespie send out, full of sound and fury signifying an arrogant self view that their way must be the right way or else people who disagree must have a ‘mental disorder.’
I think that in ‘09, a special tax bill ought to be passed that taxes everyone involved in the Iraq WMD story extra. A lot extra.
???? I was not making this up. What are you saying? (Or, the phrase I like so much from faculty meetings, adapted for present purposes, “what newt was trying to say…” So, what are you trying to say?
I saw that, but haven’t been able to work up the energy to deal with it. It’s the same schtick as that “Dr. Sanity” person, who is one of the silliest of all the Wingnut All-Stars, but who is also so incredibly dull you can’t eve make fun of her.
Actually, if he’d have concentrated on the neocons… I’d have agreed with this premise; “Eminent psychiatrist makes case ideology is mental disorder…”
I guess he would have to include pretty much everyone in Scandanavia as being irrational.
We have our own system, paying for the government to run programs, and then they don’t deliver. That’s rational, for sure.
“On Being Certain; Believing You Are Right Even When You Are Not”
By Robert A. Burton
” Whether you’re sure about political affiliations or alien abduction, that feeling of knowing derives not from rational thought, he argues, but from the brain’s primitive limbic system; the gut feeling is more likely to emerge from careful electric stimulation than from careful consideration “
Discover magazine March 2008 pg 72
Now then just what does he mean by “careful electric stimulation”?
Still it sounds like an interesting read especially if he explains why such beliefs are created.
This is most disturbing to us CA libs as Ronnie closed our asylums after turning the patients out…then he went Alshiemers. With the diagnosis and no hospital we’ll have to find a subprime house to cohouse ourselves. Tnat Pis
finally got the digg to work.. you are properly dugg now thers
Yes, we’re psychotic. We think Ayn Rand belongs in the 9th circle of Hell where she already is. And St Pete doesn’t look anything like Scalia.
We believe that business and government should be regulated answer to the people Conservatives think that Business and their government should have no regulation/checks and balences.
Careful electric stimulation is what happens at Abu Garaib.
I wondered what that tingly sensation was…
Well, Count Chocula is a fascist. He was a Republic congressman from Indiana. QED.
demi- well, it’s a more dangerous proposition if one is in the car, listening to the tape, and it’s dinner time… and yeah, there are a lot of repeats in those books. Always the jogging stuff. Tying her house key to her shoe before she goes jogging. Etc. I prefer Ross McDonald’s up coast place to Sue Grafton’s. But, right now I can’t remember- Did he use Santa Theresa also? I kinda think so..
Now you’re channeling Tweets.
But Scandanavians are irrational! They don’t speak English (at least, not without an accent). QED (courtesy Huck Finn).
SNL spoiler- opens with a take off on last week’s debate in OH. The mockery is as insufferable as the debate was.
Ha! I’d forgotten him.
But I still like intelligent women and they do not frighten me!
ack – no spoilers for us in another time zone please
Yes, I’m nearly sure he used Santa Theresa. It’s been awhile, but that sure rings an acnied 60’s Chevy bell.
Dunno about Ross McDonald.
The Grafton books don’t pretend to be anthing more than they are, I think.
Pretty simple, but sometimes that’s exactly what I need, ya know?
exactly what i thought – after doing an all over shudder as it went from my subconscious to my conscious.
please—anything but that!
and Suzanne, I’ll leave out any of the blow by blow so that you can enjoy/or not, on your own.
I’m stuck on the Stephanie Plum novels at the moment. Janet Evonovich is on a roll.
Hi Thers: thanks for the post. I have one question. I read the link to the piece on “voting reform” and I noticed that there was a picture of a man and his cat, both wearing tinfoil hats. I don’t follow this innntoobsphere politcs very much and am confused.
Is that the good liberal guy or the dumb conservative guy and his cat wearing the hat? If it is the liberal guy, are we supposed to supply tinfoil hats for our pets now?
I have some goldfish and an antfarm, and am not sure what to do. Could you please advise.
But if the picture was making fun of a the conservative guy, then never mind.
thanks,
Confused in California
Anyone want to know if Hill is or is not on SNL? Would that be a spoiler?
thanks, RevDeb.
I’m rereading Jane Austen. No cheeseburgers, but some damn fine snark, really.
SNL opening with a mock debate. Senator Clinton is in it. For someone who wasn’t talking to the press until after Iowa, she has become quite the TV star. I guess somehow she believes this will help when she says “Live from NY yada yada…”
I did see a comment in NYT today that made me smile. Clinton’s Media man and major advisor from Glover Park Group Howard Wolfson said in a media conference call Friday afternoon that
That’s a lot of questions. Wolfson can hold a press conference anytime he likes, and does, and Dee Dee said he should be speaking for his candidate more. I don’t know what is stopping him from asking the staggering load of questions.
I always thought that picture of the Iraqi in the black hood hooked up to wires arms spread was a Christ reference but it may have been a mind control experiment.
saying she was on the show would not be a spoiler at all
Lula leaves me just crying with laughter. I love those books and have read every one.
I love Stephanie Plum novels.
Most of all I love K.C. Constantine novels. That’s a pseudonym; they’re written by some guy in Pennsylvania.
Hey, it could be Billmon. You never know!
Reading about Lulu while on a morphine drip was a real experience, twain. Love grandma too.
Hee hee. I believe that is an imaginative representation of Captain Ed, a wingnut. Also, The Editors like to post cat pictures.
I hope you are serious, and not pulling our legs.
I love Jane Austen. Read and reread. Never could make it through Mansfield Park, however.
Hi Thers…
This Edmund Burke…my my…the Irish turncoat…, and not this Edmund Burke… or even this one...
RevDeb,…you’re cracking me up.
Great post, Thers!
I loved the PBS Jane Austen series last month. Wonderful snark!
Hey ya’ll I’ve posted Pelosi’s impending sell out on FISA, on DU and need some support in kicking it upstairs, it’s steadily rising, but, needs a little boost…
http://www.democraticundergrou…..15;3205678
what gives?
No joke. I wrote a book on Austen, actually — came out last fall. In real life I’m an English perfesser.
Uh, thank, I guess. Sounds like an interesting book. I am sure that it was throughly peer reviwed. Looks like the kind of publisher that would do that. The book might be on to something:
“In his penetrating analysis, Dr. Rossiter reveals modern liberalism’s assaults on:
–The freedom of adults to make good lives for themselves by cooperating with others
–The ability of families to raise children to be self-reliant and mutual
–The morals, rights and laws that protect our freedoms”
I’m going to read the book, because I want to know “Is our children mutual?”
not any more. Her and Tina Fey both in the brown suit from the debate the other night. Maybe she missed NY or something (homesick? but where exactly is home? IL? AR? NY? hard to tell)
Gordon M- okay, if two dim memory bells ring at once it must be correct. ;)
Just had occasion to reread (page not tape) a Ross McDonald novel. imo detective fiction is seriously underrated as a genre. Course, I am biased.
OK! I need details, sez the librarian…
Not much, just hangin’.
A conference call? So we don’t know if Wolfson was wearing his lucky sweater (or anything else for that matter)?
gasp – hopefully, the pups will not hold your past and where you came from against you Thers
The best one was the 10 year old Pride and Prejudice with Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle.
Phew! Thanks, what a relief. Even though I am liberal, and infantilely reject “mutual” I do feel a paternalistic responsibility to my ant farm, and would want to provide them with the tools they need to survive. But, not good with detail work and… well, never mind. It isn’t a problem now, I guess.
Where do you perfess?
I’m with Loo Hoo, tuttle.
Hi Loo Hoo!
Oh RevDeb,
Yes, own and love that! But I did love them all.
actually, which Edmund Burke is Jonah boy referring to? I have–and will–not read the book…
The number of questions that we do know about Clinton adviser Mark Penn and his clients never mind his bad advice to Hilary is quite interesting too.
Especially when the MSM does not make a big deal about it.
Its always attack Obama more, not try to appeal to the 70%ers who want out of Iraq now and a French type healthcare plan that overall costs the country less money than our present plan.
Which costs more money per person but unlike other countries plan’s covers everybody.
McCain thinks that cost is seperate from tax. Government the private sector cost is cost lowering cost even at the price of profit is efficent.
Hee hee.
The first one, though I wouldn’t call him a turncoat. He was right on Catholic Emancipation, for instance. It would have been interesting to see what he would have thought of the Union, but he died 3 years too early.
omigod! in real life I’m a science perfesser, but could have gone the Eng. Lit. route.
Linkey please? Please? For your book?
And, have you ever read the Stephanie Barron “Jane Austen” detective novels?
you know what I’m talking about… you can’t get out of this one…
Email me. I am a modest fellow…
It was all regurgitated in a letter to the editor in my local rag… I promptly submitted an e-mail response online and a letter to the editor, shredding his ‘logic’ point by point, it hasn’t been published yet…! ;-)
Hi back atcha!
See my profile here. Community college, upstate NY. I chose a CC because I like teaching and the academic job market annoyed me. But I still like writing about lit.
Seems to me I once sat down and compared California detective fiction and concluded that Hammett was tops.
List of human beings with the same names...
Fortunately, I don’t have that to worry about. I’m the only f*cking Biodun Iginla on the planet!
Lots of CA detective fiction seems to be set down in LA – only a few seem to set their novels in SF.
That’s the one that was just on PBS. My favorite adaptation too.
There’s been a full-length film or miniseries of an Austen book every year since 1968 — fun facts to know & tell! I want to see a really good Persuasion, myself, which is probably the most underrated novel in literary history.
They mostly all have to drive up into the hills to a lakeside cabin at some point, though.
So Thers, people pay you money to teach them?
Scarecrow is another JA lover. We were e-mailing back and forth during most of them. His most frequent comment, “there is no kissing in Jane Austin!” I guess he wasn’t as enthusiastic as you about the others. I didn’t see them all but I think I agree with him.
RE:
“WND Exclusive
Top psychiatrist concludes liberals clinically nuts
Eminent psychiatrist makes case ideology is mental disorder”
I remember reading a wingnut diatribe about Scandinavia from the Reagan years. It described the horrifying oppression of the Scandinavian system, the stultifying nanny-state, the high taxes, the sheer creaky welfare state awfulness of it all.
Then it moved on the the catastrophic effects economic and social democracy had on the economic system, particularly innovation and growth. The picture of economic ruination was so devastating and dispiriting that no facts, figures or statistics could be provided, I suppose for fear of upsetting the readers. I was glad, I am not sure I could have borne the horror.
But the most horrifying was last. The author described the horrifying effects on the Scandinavian psyche -the people seem to be satisfied and happy with their system. The author concluded with the warning about how the horrifying social democracy was so devastating to the humand mind and sould that the Scandinavian citizenry were irrevocably ruined as functioning human beings who could appreciate freedom and innitative.
I was shaken.
ah, a professor…other FDL professors: Edward Teller; Richmond (who seems to have disappeared); and EvilDrPuma (who also seems to have disappeared). Another teacher who claims he’s posted his last comment at FDL is kiddo, earlier today.
WTF is going on?
Well, for me, about the only detective fiction since Ross I’ve been able to get addicted to is Tony Hillerman. Or sometimes Elmore Leonard (which is only sometimes detective fiction). Or maybe the horse jockey from England who crafts a fairly good tale.
But in my family, Dorothy Sayers and the Miss Marple series were required reading, so maybe I burned out early.
Email me for a link. It’s meant as an introduction for AP high school students & first & second year college students, but I tried to write it also for the general reader who would like historical context, explanations of themes, and so on.
Never read the other series — any good?
oh sure.. big bear and lake arrowhead. totally forgetting about the running to tahoe we can do up here. no to mention we have the napa valley and stormy coasts that are just perfect for mysterious goings on during dark stormy nights.
I have no explanation why it doesn’t work… On DU it’s the ‘House Dems may split the Spy Bill’ I can’t seem to link to even that…! 8-(
Of course Barbie is facist. I think she lived in Bolivia somewhere…
Oh yes, the Big Money.
Well, speaking as a born and bred Central Californian, I suppose that is because a lot of detective fiction is dystopian.
–OK, just kidding. I had a hoot during my dystopian Sourthern California years.
So, you’re on assignment?
I’m just a simple gal.
I know nuffin.
No argument on that. Red Harvest the best, imo. Poisonville. Been a while since I read it, but irrc part of the brilliance was that the protagonist stirs up a whole shitload of trouble by telling everyone he talks to the truth (perhaps abbreviated truth), but certainly does not lie.
That sounds right.
no wtf at all – the lake has its ebb and flow and people come and go, return, come and go. tis part of the season of life at the lake.
Yeah, turrible, turrible Sweden. I would go over there to work at a lab where they had invented a microscope no one else had at the time, get my a** handed to me on a platter by the brilliant, funny students and professors, and generally enjoy the heck out of being there. Seemed the only maladjusted people I met were from somewhere else.
Ok, I will. Please don’t be modest, we LOVE Jane Austen.
What did kiddo say? What happened?
But not stirred?
me perv.. perfessor, proffesor por professo. Shit. I teach at a college to. But number is my racket, so the problems above are OK. I sometimes daydream about going to a community college and just teaching. As opposed to be only given time enought to pretend to teach.
Thers- I love Persuasion. Second fave of JA after Emma.
For the BBC! Now, why on earth would they subsidize his accommodations in gay Paree? I thought they despised the froggies…! ;-)
Yep–
My Facebook here…
I teach too. Psychology, at community college.
Lots of music too.
There is NO kissing in Jane Austen! Even Ciaran Hinds and Amanda Root knew that!
I got some good comments toward the end of the last thread but I’m only a B.A in Philosophy:)
fork – school of hard knocks here
loohoo, heart attack and vine
Thers-
Various books have their moments. They fill in a lot of detail about the different places that the Austen family lived at various times, and relationships between various family members. Fun for a lover of detective fiction and also JA lover. Not the strongest detective plotting, but the local color of the times is worth reading.
I was a perfesser wannabe. But by the time I finished the PhD, was ready for something else … so continued working as bouncer in a bar, a job I had to supplement my entirely inadequate (aprticularly after St. Ronnie’s Tax Reform Act of ‘86 made it taxable) grad fellowship pay. Also taught at a CC for a while, as an adjunct. Now I work at an airport, and I’m happy there.
VG, have you ever read Susan Dunlap? Set in Berkeley, main character is a female BPD officer.
he left FDL after his dustup with CHS at her book salon, and announced his departure on the thread subsequent to that…IIRC, he’s left before and then came back…EvilDrPuma also left after a dustup. Then he came back and seems to have disappeared again for good. And Richmond? I don’t know what to tell you about him/her…
I took kiddo’s as a good bye for the day. Not forever. Did I miss something?
i told you you’re not gonna be able to wiggle outta this one. honest.
SNL: Wow, Ellen Page is beautiful.
Hee hee.
I’m just careful about my ID is all, though it’s not really a secret. But I do love Dear Jane.
I’ve spend a good bit of time in Finland Sweden, Daneland and Estonia. Wonderful places. Except, I cannot drink all that beer all the time. Man, do they all drink beer. Phew.
I was at an lakeside roadhouse place in Sweden one summer and tried to beg off having beer with lunch. I ordered ice tea. The waiter said “What, NO BEER?” After negotiating with the waiter in front of my humiliated friend (humiliated because of my odd anti-social behavior, not because of the waiter), it turned out that they carried a light 1% Swedish “non-alcoholic” beer.
The waiter was very happy because it gave him a chance to rail against the miserable piss and kitchen sink water that was called non-alcoholic and light beer in the US. He ended up assuring me that this 1% beer was wonderful beer, not like that crap in the US.
That 1% beer was great and I looked for it everyplace I went for the rest of the summer for relief from the damn daily drink (or two) of beer every adult seemed to drink.
lets not gossip about other commenters who are not here – there is so much we can say about and to the ones who are here
Aw shit, Suz, Marysville ain’t nuttin but a wide spot on the road.
Be drivin’ all the way to Reno on the wrong side of the road.
AC- no, haven’t read Susan Dunlap, but sounds like I should check her out. Let me write that down!
Some people went to the treehouse, which is good. But I don’t think EDD did.
That was the same impression I was left with! 8-)
The ones about the Aztecs were real good:)
I don’t rank JAs — well, Mansfield Park I don’t go back to so often. But Persuasion really is unfairly neglected, probably because it was originally published with Northanger Abbey and so there’s still a weird thing where it’s associated with her earliest work, when it’s in fact her most mature.
You’re gonna do more Aztec commentary I hope. Definitely appreciate them and the perspective you bring with them.
The best carreer advice I got during grad school was from a very snooty old school (ie, Germany) mathematician who told the class that it looked like we would all turn out to be bums, but, he continued, if you are going to be bums, why not be bums with a PhD?
I like the Mayan enigma of 12/21/2012! ;-)
I got some poems I got at the house but I’m in a hotel heading to Suzanne’s now but yeah I just need to dig them up.
Dude, how far out are you?
Dunlap was a favorite of mine because I was born in the PRB (People’s Republic of Berkeley) and grew up (through high school) in the East Bay. Lots of places I knew in those books. Kinsey Millhone got a little old for me after about letter K or L, but I will probably pick those up again in the future. If you have a strong stomach, I’d also recommend David Lindsey … “Heat From Another Sun” was stout but very very good.
The end of the world? or something different? The “Book of the Hopi” is also interesting.
Really cool, Suz. I got to go backstage and drink Jack Daniels with Tom Waits when I was 28. Fun City!
Confessing my appalling ignorance, might you share?
12/21/2012 …
I like that, but we prefer to call ourselves “slackers” rather than “bums”.
The Toll hotel Suzanne knows the town its near her place. Still I can’t get my Poems.
Persuasion is my all time fave JA.
Well, good evening fellow citizens I am pretending to be all happy. Might I ask you a riddle. I live in a Ca county with average income $67K according to the National Home Buiders Association and am an affordable housing advocate. We are 24th of over 3,000 USA counties ranked in UN-affordabilityWe have 2,4000 chronically homeless. Might there be a correlation in high income and high homelessness? Could they be part of those diagnosed by wingnut Physchiatrist, since his own Ronnie Regan closed the asylum doors and they have no place to go. Do you suppose that because they just want to get in out of the cold and rain into a place where they won’t be rousted, beat up or killed…tjhat they fit the general diagnoses as Liberal, Progressives Populist wackos?
The expanding armies of homeless and poverty population are presumptive enough to wanr food shelter and clothing. As you prepare for your next meal imagine if you were homeless how you might do that. Then the clean up and shower after putting away leftovers. As you go to the computer or turm on the TV imagine what they have to do un order to do those things. Upon waking you might open your closet…well you probably have the idea by now. Take a day and if you can imagine getting the kids ready for school most homeless mothers have children under six an have left abusive relationships. So what are their options for becoming a part of the work force or society as one could sfely assume if they were part of society they would have food, shelter and clothing.
So corelation to wealth and homelessness.
How do they achieve a home?
And how do they do the daily activities that you do?
Felton, just outside of Henry Coe State Park.
The EvilDoctorPuma made an appearance at the TRex treehouse the other day. He is on a self-imposed commenting sabbatical. Indicated he was well.
Gordon- well, if Sayers and Agatha were required reading, and not your own choice, then I can understand the burnout. Have several Hillerman books awaiting on the bureau, but never been able to pick one up, bec. I get distracted by the CA/ Brit stuff. Reading detective fiction at bedtime is one of my two top choices for reading- also read cookbooks. Weird, as I rarely cook. But somehow, both are soothing.
This is OT (I hope the mods let it slide):
If you’re going to be in Philly later this month, get thee to EschaCon, the Eschaton convention. I’ll be there, on a panel with watertiger & FDL alum TRex; Jane I’m pretty sure is coming, we have the Rude Pundit, probably P. Krugman, Atrios (we almost forgot to invite him), Echidne, other great stuff. Musical fun (we think) will be by the hilarious Hamel on Trial. Cheap, very easygoing, give it a thought.
uh, Thers, it is your thread – you get to choose the topic and if off topic is ok or not :)
Best advice I got about grad school was, “There are two things you need to do about grad school: get in. Then get out.”
Oh. Then I am off topic. I go to the bench, and I feel shame.
(I rarely even know what my topic *is*, for the record.)
I think your idea of unaffordable housing and homelessness are linked well that and good paying low income jobs.
Thers:
No need for you to do so. I was only speaking as a reader, in terms of which JA novels are at the top of my list for rereading. And, I really did like Persuasion. I see what you mean by it being her most mature work. A lot of emotional subtlety.
VG, Although I do cook a lot, a good read for those who cook and don’t is anything by M.F.K. Fisher. Read her “Art of Eating” — such a great book, especially the “Gastronomical Me.”
i solved that problem by declaring in my posts that off topic is the topic (laughing)
No wiggle.
I left you a reply.
you maybe right there. But please read his comments in context, as always a wise thing to do before you get into deep doodoo…
It’s getting to be almost dawn here again in Paris…Another glorious sunrise in the City of Lights–and-of Love, hehe…
World-Clock Time-Zones…
I so wish I could be there now that I live in the Philly burbs, but I have a church conference I have to be at that weekend. Damn.
Grad School: It’s not just a job, it’s an indenture!
Hey thats why I come on when I got something to say. Late,Latenite early morning threads are freedom:) The day is for focus night and day must balence.
Hillerman’s books are one of the few where I can read the first paragraph and know whether I’ve read it before or not. Plots are good, characters are great and descriptive text is superb.
Per wiki! I’d lost an excellent thesis I had… Sorry…!
It really is a shame we don’t have Sanditon completed. That was a real departure. Part of why I like Persuasion so much was you can see in it that JA was unsatisfied, was really trying to stretch — it’s an imperfect book, but that’s because she was taking risks that nobody else was taking with the novel at that time. I think a lot of people are uncomfortable with Persuasion also for that reason — it’s still a bit dangerous, in a quiet way.
signing off. glad I could be around for a while—usually I’m long gone by now on Sat. nights—working on Sun. but I have tomorrow off!! Yeah.
I got curious and did a searh for affordable housing blogs and information, and didn’t come up with much. If you know some good places to get information, I will read them. Do you have any good links?
AC- I actually am not a big Kinsey/ aka Sue Grafton fan. The shtick got repetitive for me at about the same letter. But, I happened to have the book on tape ($1.80 from the local thrift store) and listening to such does help me not go nuts while sitting in traffic.
So nice to see you here with us denizens, Rev.
Sleep well.
That’s Booman’s home turf! Did ya’ll extend an invite to him?
Sweet and peaceful dreams otherdeb.
you had quite a bit to say last week–that morning–or was it this week? Time has flown for me considerably this past few weeks!
but asI told you: L oved what you had to say. I’m in LOVE with ideas…*g*
BBC World Service Radio now repeating interview with Keith Ellison, about Obama that they ran yesterday…
THINGS…Our County has retained Homebase a NP with 40 years experience to do a study as to how to solve the chronic homeless problem. I am propose 5 or 6 20 acre site to be rezones and build low cast housing for them and other at risk populattions so work force can have a place. The city of San Luis is proposing a homeless campus with services to get folks on their feet. Please wish us luck and support your local homeless shelter and tell you legislators state and local for a bill to fund these efforts.
Sobering questions. A growing reality. But…
Look away! Look away!
We close our eyes.
We close our ears.
We close our minds.
Our hearts are close behind …
enjoy your day off revdeb – g’nite
http://www.clih.net has many good links chech it out…and thank you for asking.
I think a lot of people are uncomfortable with Persuasion also for that reason — it’s still a bit dangerous, in a quiet way.
I like this!
My graduate school daughter is in love with Jane … and we think this novel is her best. I love that you think that is is dangerous, in a quiet way.
Chris
Not quite sure — I’m not in charge. But he’s prolly coming for at least part of it.
EschaCon is very much a Cedar YorPantz Production. The first one we did was chaotic as hell, but tons of fun, came together at the last minute, and broke even. This one is more ambitious but is still just a bunch of basically irresponsible people saying “hey! Let’s have a conference!”
Thers, and one of the most interesting and baffling things about JA, Persuasion esp., is how she came by the knowledge to write what she did. Persuasion especially. It was one of the last JA books I read, and the emotional content really was compelling.
I wish you much luck. You’re on the right track, planting good seeds.
Thanks I can’t do it often though.
Good Luck. Your fighting the good fight:)
Are you inside? or outside in Paris? Sitting on a bridge or another wonderful Parisian park. Hey, what’s up for your morning besides cafe au lait and brioche?
I have long had the impression that mental illness is a significant factor in homelessness … do you know whether this is correct? It sounds reasonable, and I can see where a lack of mental health / support services could contribute to the problem, but is it really so?
Looks good. Better than the sites I found with a couple of searches. Thanks.
i’ve wondered which comes first, the mental illness or the homelessness. i am not an expert but i think homelessness is a significant factor in making any pre-existing condition worse.
Hey Margot!
Late Nite for us — how are you?
Here’s the Facebook profile of the woman friend I’m staying with on rue Rocroy in Paris…She doesn’t mind my posting this on FDL–She’s out there on Facebook after all, and we all what that means!
I have an english degree and am ashamed to admit i have never read Jane Austen. Where should I begin?
And since off topic is the topic, I don’t think I have mentioned today that John McCain supports torture by the United States of America…
Nice bunch of ‘irresponsible people’… I’m sure there’ll be no lamp shades involved…! Or tie-sucking as is so common at Rightard conventions…! ;-)
…very funny post thers, great imagery
your daughter is a novelist? And…? Then we have more than one thing in common…*G*
I see you’re well attended to, Biodun! *g*
Well, sort of. I see Persuasion as Jane asking herself various “what ifs”… and then following through on the answers. But she had every reason to have speculated about the situation in Persuasion. Her sister Cassandra’s fiancee died in the Caribbean, and so she never married, for instance. When to trust your head, and when your heart? It was a tough question. That’s the question in all her books, but in Persuasion it becomes more complex.
please enlighten me about “tie sucking”…never having been to any Rightard conventions…
OK, niters for me. Loves ya!
thanks for asking that – i read it 3 times before i realized it was not toe sucking
g’niters thers – another evening of fine crap
i’m inside,waiting for dawn to break. i got up severl hours ago and have filed some stories i edited andfact-checked wwhile yakking with you guys..aot of you know tht I double-ddip when i’m at FDL…in any case, when dawn breaks i’ll walkover to Gare du Nord–not too far away to change more of my increasingly useless US dollars into euros, coz i have ahot date tonigth–with a young woman novelist of Algerian heritage who wasborn in Paris…talk about have a lot in common
TMI? I’ve been knownfor this, and it hasgottenme in troubl occasionally…
hehe…
Dearest Neuro,
Really, I didn’t begin to read literature until I was old. As an art history major, I should have read Italian philosophy, etc. and I didn’t. I love being here and I’m not apologizing.
Are you associated with the clih.net site? Looks like there are out of date links in their pages to an old version with an .org domain name. Makes navigating difficult since you periodically get dumped into a clih.org, which seems to now be a commercial dead end site with links to all sorts of commersial stuff. An affordable housing dating site seems interesting, but have not checked it out yet (that’s a joke).
But with effort, I can get to most of the pages, they seem very intereting. You are correct, the clih.net site has a very good affordable housing links page.
Heh, I’m recalling an infamous photo of two younger repugnants drunk at a CPAC(?) convention, with one of ‘em sucking the other’s tie… It wasn’t pretty… ;-)
Whoo Hoo! A hot one! Have a great time.
the inner longings are sometimes revealed while intoxicated.
one reason i don’t drink :)
I have a sudden flash of vision of Tweety sucking the tie of one of his guests…I don’t want to know who the guest is…
bet it made his leg tingle neuro
I might suck, but, I’ll surely never be too intoxicated to suck someone’s toes, err… tie! ;-)
i’ve alread had said baguette and fromage…and sausise and caafe au lait…after Gare du Nord, I might return to Geneviev’s to work or head over to a cafe with wifi hotspot to work. One of may favorites–they don’t make you register for a fee–is Taverne de Cluny on rue de la Harpe at the Quartier Latin–problem with this one is–streets full of tourists. Americans are turning up early–March 1! in Paris this er. late winter. it’s not even sprint yet, for chrissakes…
Anyway, Americans are on thestreets but not in the cafe, a good thing. Another problem is no outlets in most Paris cafehotspots…my laptop battery lasts only 3 hours…
Hey Biodun,
I was last in Paris in Sept. 2007, and did not take my laptop. I never expected it to work there! I’ll be going in Sept. 2009 — will it work there?
“When I was 46 in the Year 13″…the universe collapsed inside of me.” A musical d’homage to the end-time prediction of the Mayan Celestial Calendar by Anton Barbeau.
Yes definitely…but until you have to volunteered at a shelter or sat down with some you can’t imagine the challenge to them or society. Read some tennessee Williams plays on William Faulkner’s mentslly ill characters. Remember Street Car with Brando playing a dependent husband…their is a gamut from criminal to incompetent.
I asked a man one day who was limping badly obviously homeless if he could use some money…his response was he thought I was trying to harm him and he hurried of as fast as he could. The National Guard use to open their armories to homeless at night some were coupled up for security and had found another human would could gey along with. Many socilaizing skills missing,
A friend ended up hating them after working in a shelter for a year. Many churches take overflows and dailyt lunche. They are fighting here for a building as a warming shelter. Truly heroic vounteers with hearts filled with compassion.
Lost my web manager a freebee he also hosted for free but put some adds links in against my wishes but still mostly works got me into bruhaha with IRS. Need new host and have a friend who may correct and update. My apologies. It is my site and nd my public benefit corporation just no bucks.