< [Please welcome Lou Dubose today's book salon. As always with guests, please be polite and stay on topic -- any off-topic remarks should be taken to the prior thread. Thanks! -- CHS]
There are any number of times in life where hyperbole is overblown in discussing the accomplishments and impact of someone. Not here.
Molly Ivins was, pure and simple, one of the most talented wordsmiths I have ever read. She could take a political or personal problem and make you laugh, rage and cry about it, all at the same time. She was a genius at a deft turn of phrase, and my greatest regret is that I never got to meet her in person to tell her how much I loved — LOVED — her work.
She and Lou Dubose previously wrote Bushwhacked together, which had me so doubled up in giggle fits on a plane once, the stewardess thought I was choking and tried to heimlich me.
What Molly and Lou have put together in this slim yet powerful tome,Bill of Wrongs, is a detailed, human look at the destruction the Bush Administration has wrought on all of us and on the rule of law. Most of the instances described therein will not be new to our readers, but the level of personal detail that Molly and Lou gained by interviewing the very real people in the center of each legal and personal maelstrom cannot — and should not — be overlooked.
It is the personal stories in Bill of Wrongs that bring these very real problems to life, standing as a cautionary tale to each of us in this country: this could be you.
Molly begins by talking about her speeches regarding the Bill of Rights — which she made every month for more than fifteen years — in communities all over this country.
I say unto you, you do not know what courage is until you have sat in the basement of a Holiday Inn in Fritters, Alabama, with seven brave souls, led by a librarian, who are fixing to form a chapter of the Ay Cee Ell You. They are driven to this extreme by local pinheads who not only don’t get the Bill of Rights but are eager to trash it.
I have been called in through the American Library Association on some bizarre cases: say, the local Christian fundamentalists have decided talking animals are satanic, and consequently, they demand that The Three Little Pigs, Goldilocks and the Three Bears, and The Wind in the Willows be removed from the town library. Town meeting to be held, can I come and explain the First Amendment?
I try to explain what the First Amendment means with good stories, because that’s what John Henry taught me to do. For that matter, Mark Twain and Jesus were both fond of the form, not that I’m putting myself anywhere near there. You’d be amazed at how much even the most sophisticated people still enjoy a good story. And you will find a lot of good stories in this book.
That you will. From the start of the book, the details about everyday Americans being subjected to very un-American treatment from their own government are infuriating.
Bill of Wrongs begins with a t-shirt wearing protest in WV, at a public speech given on the steps beneath the glittering gold-leafed Capitol dome in Charleston on the Fourth of July, wherein the Ranks — husband and wife — expressed their disgust with George Bush with a "not" symbol on their shirts. And were hauled off to jail for wearing their freedom of speech.
Only later do they discover that there had been a systematic written handbook for how to do just that — using the Secret Service and loyal Republican volunteers and local law enforcement bedazzled by the pomp and protection requirements as personal criticism shields for a President too cowardly to face up to anything but abject adoration. Further into the book, we meet Brent Bursey, arrested for holding up a "No More War For Oil" sign on public property. His crime? Picking out a spot where George Bush might actually see him. Or, worse, where the press might snap a picture.
There is Josh Wolf, a blogger jailed for months, with USAtty Kevin Ryan using a little-known legal provision meant to be used for terrorists…for blogging about a video that didn’t even show the allegedly criminal act Ryan was trying to prosecute.
We get a big ole glimpse inside the idiocy that was the Dover school board’s attempt to foist "intelligent design" (or, as Molly calls it "creationism in drag") on an entire school district because too many members of the board decided their version of God was the only way. Anyone wondering about the reasons for "separation of church and state" need look no further. But the vignette about the "battle of the bulge" alone, is worth the cost of Bill of Wrongs:
The call to arms in 2002 came from a social studies teacher reviewing a sample copy of an eighth-grade textbook. She was bothered by a bulge between General George Washington’s legs, as depicted in Emmanuel Leutze’s Washington Crossing the Deleware….She began to worry that eighth graders looing at the nineteenth-century masterpiece might conclude that the nation’s founding father had a penis. (Perhaps he did, but the bulge in Leutze’s painting is a watch fob.)
Sometimes, you have to laugh out loud. Not, though, about the plight of Brandon Mayfield, a Portland, OR, attorney who was held as a material witness against himself based on misidentification of a single fingerprint, despite no charges ever being filed against this American citizen. His home was searched without him being given notice via a warrant using anti-terrorist sneak and peek provisions with little oversight — and his 10 year old daughter’s diary was used as mens rea evidence of his sympathies with Al Qaeda because she questioned bombing Afghanistan. Repeat after me: this could be you. And you would never know until they came to haul you off.
Especially, it seems, if you are Muslim. Ask German national, Murat Kurnaz, who was held in Gitmo for more than five years — and we knew he was likely an innocent man. We waterboarded him, alternately froze and sweltered him, and hung him for days by his hands. This is who we have become in George Bush’s America, where we now also use sneak and peek provisions to intercept and violate attorney client privilege communications under the secret NSA domestic spying program. And where we have an FBI that has abused National Security Letters to librarians and internet providers across the country with no oversight from the DOJ.
As Molly and Lou say:
This has happened before in our history — in fact it’s a pretty predictable reaction to fear. We get so rattled by some Big Scary Thing — communism or crime or drugs or illegal aliens or terrorism — something that scares us so much, we think we can make ourselves safer by giving up some of our freedom. Now, not only does that not hold a drop of water as a logical proposition but it has consistently proved to be an illusion as a practical matter. Empirically, when you make yourself less free, you are not safer, you are just less free….
As Lou reminds all of us in his afterward, Molly passed away after a lengthy and tough battle with cancer, but she was kicking until the end and determined to tell the stories of the brave, everyday Americans who "stand up to the bullies, bastards and ideologues who have hijacked our government and came dangerously close to destroying a document created by colonial subjects resolved to re-create themselves as citizens of a constitutional democracy. The fight ain’t over."
What the Bush Administration began to systematically do to consolidate unilateral executive power from January 2001 forward, we must all continue to work to undo in the years ahead. Bill of Wrongs lays out a solid case of where to start. And, as Molly and Lou say:
Raise hell.
Keep fightin’.
And don’t forget to laugh once in a while.
Amen. With that, I open the floor to the discussion of Bill of Wrongs, and the incredible lifetime of work that Molly Ivins and Lou Dubose have put forth fighting for American values, for which we owe them a lot of thanks…and some serious applause. Welcome, Lou!
(You can watch Molly in this superb interview from Democracy Now! — Part I, Part II, Part III, and Part IV.)



188 Comments





Support this site!
Subscribe to the newsletter
Advertise on Firedoglake
Send
us your tips
Make us your homepage
About Firedoglake
Welcome, Lou. Thanks so much for being here today, and congratulations on the book.
Molly!
Lou and Christy, Welcome to the Lake.
Lou Dubose here in Auustin, finally finding my way through the prompts.
Welcome, Lou — the book is such a great contribution to the discussion and to the nation. I cannot thank you and Molly enough for writing it — even though there were parts that so infuriated me, even having known about the background of the cases, that I had to stop reading for a bit and pick it up later. It truly is an amazing set of true stories about some very brave Americans.
Thank you so much for sharing them with all of us.
Lord I miss Molly Ivins. Imagine what she’d be saying and thinking these days. Molly Ivins is not really gone for me. She dwells within my very soul. And she always will.
Glad you could make it.
I’m curious about your opinion, Lou, as a veteran of the Texas political reporting scene. There are a lot of people talking about the possibility of Texas going blue in November, and I always just assume they’re smoking the good shit. What’s your appraisal of the situation?
Hey Lou, great to have you here, and my only regret is that Molly is no longer around to join you. But she’s definitely still around in our hearts.
Must be an interesting time down there in Austin!
Lou — your afterward on the book was so touching with regard to how ill Molly was the last few weeks of working on this, and how committed she was to the project nonetheless. I wondered if you could talk a bit about the catalyst for writing this — why telling these stories was so important for both of you, and how you came to track down so many of these folks and talk with them.
The stories are so poignant — I was particularly struck by Murat Kurnaz and your interview of him, which had to have been extraordinarily difficult as a conversation.
I, too, found the material infuriating. That said, the subjects are all Americans (and two Germans) who kick back against the people who have hijacked out country. Molly and I were overwhelmed by their quiet courage and persistence. To a woman, and to a man, they represent the very best of our country.
What was it really like to know Molly Ivins? I’m talking on a personal level. What was this giant like?
Regarding what’s being smoked down here, it would require a hallucinogen to convince me that Texas will vote Democratic. That said, I felt as if I were hallucinating when I walked into a debate watch party at Scholz Garten, the venerable Texas beer hall made famous in The Gay Place (the finest political novel written about Texas). I have covered politics in Texas for 25 years and cannot go to a political event where I know half the crowd: 1,000-plus at an Obama rally. And I knew ONE person, a candidate pushing cards. Something is happening here, and we don’t know what it is.
Welcome, Lou. I live in WA state and thought I was familiar with the Brandon Mayfield case. I knew he was held as a material witness, but did not know he was a witness against himself. That’s insane!
I am looking forward to buying and reading the book. I miss Molly very much, used to go to look for her columns on a regular basis.
Lou, thank you so very much for getting this project done and for being here today.
Lou…I haven’t gotten out to pick up the book, but do you also go into the outageous use of constrictive “free speech zones” often placed as much as a mile away from the scene of a speech or meeting…and the sweeping of people along intermediate points UNL:ESS they are displaying a sign in favor of the President or cheering the event? They usually rationalize this as “necessary security”.
I find this interesting given the recent episodes where the Secret Service apparently ordered security to stop screening people at an Obama speech.
Does that mean that Bush is much more hated than Obama so that security is “unnecessary”?
I meant to link to this in the post above, but Scarecrow did a lovely tribute post featuring some of his favorite Molly columns a while back, and I thought folks would enjoy the links to those as well. So here you go.
My favorite is the one in the middle where she verbally destroys Kate O’Beirne in three tidy paragraphs.
I love hearing this. The young should rise up and take back their country.
That’s great to hear — I’ve been struck by how many new voices and how much excited participation we have seen in every primary thus far. Quite interesting to hear you are seeing much of the same in the run-up to the primary. Perhaps the odious John Cornyn should be quaking in his shitkickers…
Welcome Lou!
I miss Molly Ivins. Christy, just reading your post made the feeling worse.
I love this comment of yours Christy: “She and Lou Dubose previously wrote Bushwhacked together, which had me so doubled up in giggle fits on a plane once, the stewardess thought I was choking and tried to heimlich me.” The book, Shrub, that Molly & Lou did gave me the same kind of reaction!
Welcome Lou ! this Central Texan is so very pleased to have you join us – chicken frieds and Shiners for the house !
believe Molly was recovering from a mastectomy, and yet there she was at the Enron Employees Townhall w/ Donahue, sick as a dog, weak as a kitten, but willing to lend her voice to help those folks – incredibly moving
Lou,
I would be interested to know if you think there are some good up and coming Texsas writers in the vein of Molly?
I may offer something. I spend a lot of time in
TexasBaja Oklahoma, and to a man, nearly every republican is deeply dispirited, one might say ashamed. One enters who can speak in coherent English, who they may not vote for, but may not vote against.Just a thought.
So how long before the wrongs can be righted? Not so simple, I guess.
They do get into that issue quite a bit — the Brent Bursey link above tells you a bit about what happened to one person who wasn’t in a “free speech zone” in South Carolina, and what the USAtty down there at the time — one Strom Thurmond, Jr. — decided to do to make an example of him. But Molly and Lou get into much more about this issue in the book.
The book is excellent! It’s words are nothing less than soul food. Don’t wait for Christmas, buy one for yourself and two copies for fellow patriots today.. The conversations to follow will last for years.
A toast to Molly.. and thank you, Lou.
Said Molly and Lou in the introduction, after a story about two boys hurting themselves running from a snake that could not hurt them:
Emphasis added. Lou, I think you’ve come to the right place.
One of the resonances I had with what you and Molly have written here was that so much of the same passion that leaps out from your pages is also the passion I often see here at FDL, from both the posters and the commenters.
But that’s just me.
Where do you hear the voices of those stepping up to stop the Bush administration’s assault on the Bill of Rights?
I regret that I got to Murat after Molly’s death. He is a rock of a man. I had to remind myself that I was talking to someone who was 25 at the time of the interview, a teen when arrested. Yet he never broke during his five years of captivity. Or if he did, he had put himself together by the time I spoke with him in his lawyer’s office. His book, Five Years of My Life, is out and he will be on either nightline or 60 minutes at the end of this month.
Only last week, a DOD lawyer told the NYT that Murat was associated with Al Qaeda, despite the fact that even the tribunal in Guantanamo declared that they found no terrorist connection whatsoever.
His American attorney, Baher Azmy of Seton Hall, set the record straight in the Times. Yet the offense never rests. They still insist he has terrorist connections — as a defense of their gulag and court system in Cuba.
I recommend Murat’s book. He will be filmed in Bremen because he cannot come to the U.S.
Welcome Lou, and thank you Christy.
Jane, this might be worth a future book salon appearance. If so, we might want to shift the time, out of courtesy to an author in Belgium.
The most gentle and decent giant. And also the most complex woman I’ve ever known. A Smith College graduate from a Republican family in Houston’s River Oaks, Molly was so intelligent. She was also smart enough to know that she could better make her point writing in the Texan idiom she did, as authentic as Mark Twain’s acquired language, rather in Smith College English. Also one of the best editors I’ve ever worked with. And frightfully prodigious. Also generous. She employed more people than Elvis did. I’m certain that some old friend fallen on hard times is still drawing a paycheck off Molly’s estate.
Lou, I really do have to thank you and Molly for several years worth of belly laughs at Shrub’s expense. He generally pisses me off to no end, but being able to laugh to the point of tears…and interrupting my husband every five minutes to read him sentences while I’m giggling out loud…has been no end of entertaining. For that, I thank you — y’all are correct that laughter helps ease the dark a bit, and we should all be mindful of that.
Lou the vogue hallucinogen is apparently something from over the border called Salvia. Not to be confused with saliva. You can get it from smokeshops, believe it or not…it’s still legal.
I don’t know what to make of the massive early voting in the Democratic Party campaign…3:1 over Republican turnout. Could the Blue Dogs be turning yellow?
Smith girls are usually pretty sassy (she says, being a Smithie herself)…
stange days in Austin ? come out here to once red Williamson county – there are actual Dem signs, only 1 Repub sign sporting the once popular ‘conservative’label and we just watched a pack of Texans for Obama get a bazillion honks outside the Wal Mart !
I have this fantasy of Molly, Ann Richards, and Barbara Jordan sitting around a table in a small bistro with a bottle of bourbon, solving all the problems. And if they are in a good mood, they let Ben Franklin, Sam Clements, and Will Rogers join them. So long as they behave of course.
It is fitting that Molly Ivins was born in Monterey, California, not far from where John Steinbeck grew up.
Brandon was asked to testify about a crime he might have (but didn’t commit). He initially had no clue why he was arrested. Steve Wax is a federal public defender without peer. The lawyers I met, Steve Wax, Tom Nelson, who got this guy out of jail, are the second line of heroes in this book. In the end Gerry Spence obtained the $2 million settlement. But not all of us can persuade a Gerry Spence to represent us. Gerry is a hero, too, but those first-responders from the local bar are to be celebrated. Smart, principled, and doing this day after day.
I am also seeing more dem support throughout central Texas, but not enough to guarantee a win in November. We need a lot more local organization here.
lovely image!
They’re all Cassie’s heroes and role models you know.
How America ended up with Bush as President once Shrub was in print never ceases to amaze me. What an incredible indictment.
Thanks for this new book, as well, sir. I’ve ordered a coupla copies today. Do you think these scoundrels will leave office voluntarily in 2009? Seems to me they’ve put quite an infrastructure in place to stay a while. What are your thoughts?
Yeah, we’re mighty fond of Smith College English hereabouts….
That’s a new one to me. I was at an Obama event two days ago and went through metal detection with all others. But it was indoors. I was taken by the size of his security detachment.
Sad news is that Bush is still loved and admired by many here in the Great State.
Welcome, Lou, and in spirit, Molly.
Your book sounds great, and I’ll try to scrape up the scratch to buy a copy.
Molly’s writings have often been an inspiration to me, and almost always a laugh.
Platitudes aside, I am troubled to my core about where this country is headed. For instance, I avoid flying now because, and only because, of the TSA. I’m afraid to speak out too boldly with my political opinions because I understand I might be next, landing up in jail just because I held up an anti-war sign somewhere I wasn’t “supposed to”. Heck, I even fear writing letters to the editor of my local paper because I might lose my job for exercising my 1st Amendment rights.
But, like Molly, I do not intend to go down without a fight.
Thanks, Lou. I feel better.
Hello Lou.
Thank you Howie.
Bill of Wrongs is my kind of book. It will be a reat gift to friends. Bunch of commie radicals ;)
I never met Molly Ivins yet I feel she is my good friend. I have to remind myself that I never really met her. I miss her terribly. Her poignant wit encapsulated the core of what is happening to our country.
So many of these new protect America laws are for the main purpose of filling our prisons with political prisoners to keep us silent. I laugh at the ridiculousness of them while getting upset at the tragedy of them. This ideology seems so entrenched, how can we turn it around?
I should warn you I grew up in the South and I know many of the people there never did like democracy and certainly not the Constitution. They would like to see both of them go and the elite rule. How much has this kind of thinking spread across the country? Why do you think it is so popular?
John Cornyn, a creation of Karl Rove, has a legitimate opponent in Rick Noriega, a state legislator. Much depends on money and what the national ticket spends in Texas.
Attorneys who do federal bar defense appointments stand up for the Constitution every day — sometimes for incredibly vile defendents who have done horrible things — because they must. They get incredible amounts of pressure and taunts from conservatives for doing the job, when they ought to be hailed as Constitutional heroes. I’ve done both defense work and worked as an assistant prosecutor, and it’s some of the toughest work to do well that you will ever see done…with an enormous burn-out rate because the fate of someone else’s life rests, in large measure, in your hands, along with the rule of law and upholding justice.
The lawyers you feature in this book did amazing work under some of the most difficult circumstances imaginable. And the degree to which the Bush Administration has politicized law enforcement and the DOJ is appallingly clear in so many instances of very bad judgment. We have several readers (and at least one writer) who worked in USAtty offices who are livid about this, for good reason. Thank you so much for shining so much sunlight on this issue.
I know of none, I’m afraid.
Molly spent a lot of time writing about the machinations in Texas politics…especially the “Lege”. I used to read her stuff about Texas from out here in California since it was so well written and interesting (Okay, confession, I have ancestors who were in the province who go back thirty years before the Alamo so these folks are almost like relatives).
I was wondering if you know of any other political writers from other States that have something approaching the same wordsmithing abilities and snark that Molly had. She was great. I reacll one remark she made about a Texas politico that went something like “If one pruned away a few more points off his intelligence one would have to start watering him.”
I guess you don’t have access to a C.B. radio. Not so much love for Dubya with fuel prices among truck drivers. Pick up a cheap hand-held and ask a few questions while on the road. Great kicks.
Absolutely right. Tom Nelson was Mayfield’s voice in the local media, since Wax was barred from speaking publicly about the case. He’s a good man, from what I know of him.
It may have been tempting to let the whole thing drop after he was released, but thank God Mayfield didn’t, and Gerry Spence took the case.
I had the great pleasure & fun to do a weeklong raft trip with Molly & 12 other interesting women in 1980. group phot here http://www.flickr.com/photos/22233394@N05
I’m looking forward to reading this book, and miss Molly’s columns. She was one who helped keep me sane during the W prez.
As a reporter, I find them, again, at the ACLU, Human Rights WAtch, the Texas Civil Rights Project, where the fight is being advanced.
No doubt it is Bush’s ability to cut brush that attracts them. I just read to the story in the Dallas Morning News about the Texas Log Cabin Rethugs trying to get the Rethug State Platform changed, to be nicer to gay Rethugs. It made me think of Molly.
I would hope that the new Congress and Administration thinks about banning arrests of people outside of political events. Of course you wish that a politician would not have his/her political events declared off limits to those who disagree.
Hi Lou, it’s great to see you at the Lake. I’m more used to seeing you here in Austin at the pool. It’s a real pleasure to see you here too. I miss Molly as all of us do.
Fantastic! Which one are you? ;-)
Christy – My apologies. I was in the past when I credited Howie. I know your writing style. Really, I do. Maybe I need another shot of dark chocolate candy to keep my head clear. Forgive me for the brain dead error.
“So long as they behave of course.” God what would you give to be privy to that get-together?
Far left (hahahaha) standing.
I’ll never forget Molly’s comment about “don’t ask, don’t tell.” She wondered whether gays in the military were hiding behind their Foster Grant sunglasses.
I don’t anticipate them going as far as abrogating the election and declaring that they will not leave. But I’m giving them credit that many didn’t give Hugo Chavez, who accepted the people’s vote — thus far. That said, David Addington and Dick Cheney would find a way to annul an election if they thought they could get away with it. I spent a year working on a book about Cheney. A far more interesting subject (and more dangerous) than the president. Addington has been with him since Iran Contra and is to me, and a number of conservative Republicans, a grave threat to constitutional government. (See Bruce Fein and Bob Barr)
Great photo! Must have been a wild paddle!
I have read all Molly’s and those written with you, Lou, and enjoyed them all as much as Christy, guffawing till I can’t breathe and reading every other paragraph to my innocent bystander husband. I can’t wait to get this new one.
I really miss having an incoherent rant going in my head and picking up Molly’s column and find that she has articulated my outrage perfectly and with great humor to boot. Thanks to Christy and Scarecrow for the retrospective collection.
My question for you, Lou, is what is your next project?
hi lou… love love love molly. i heard recently that molly wrote that ann richards(also love)would have never voted for h clinton. do you know if that’s true?
Awesome! How lucky you must feel to have been with Ms. Molly back then. Wow. Something else!
Addington has also served a nice front and enforcer for the Cheney theory of unilateral executive power, just as Libby did before he was indicted and convicted. I loved the description of the Straussian’s in Bill of Wrongs, Lou — it was spot on.
You may have more than enough material to do “Bill of Wrongs:II”, Lou! These folks in the Bush Administration don’t seem to be slowing down at all. They’re acting like buck-rabbits with the hounds coming in on them, running and swerving and lying and breaking the law of the land like it was just a piece of hemp paper that needed to be eradicated in the War on
Drugs“Terrah”.A recent incident concerned the mentally disabled US citizen the INS picked up and dropped off South of the Border in God knows where. He was so confused he actually traveeled south, without money, scrounging from locals who were speaking to him in Spanish (which he didn’t really understand). He eventually made his way back up to Calexico and hung around the border-crossing asking the police and border agents to let him across. He had no ID, and they simply didn’t believe he was American.
Eventually someone inquired about him and found out that an American family had been looking for a lost relative that matched his description. What a nightmare!
The kid has smarts.
AzMatt @ 21 – check out Redneck Mother – definite Molly flava there
apparently, I have to go back to linky school, but you can find her
at http://redneckmother.blogspot.com/
off to the Cafe, y’all be good to one another
Thanks again Lou!
Past tense? Did book get finished? If not, will it come out in the future?
Lou,
In Bill Of Wrongs, what single incident did you find most troublesome?
Lou,
What would you say to a Democratic administration coming into Washington as to where to start reversing this slide downward?
Aloha Lou and Redd! I miss Molly! Mahalo, Lou for all your efforts to keep her words and thoughts alive and well! 8-)
I have to think that “The Grapes of Wrath” was one of Molly Ivins faves.
I hold the media responsible, in part. Drive to a town such as Pecos, Texas, or Amarillo, where your news sources are limited, and spend a month there. But there are also legions of elected officials who refuse to stand up for our most basic values.
Having said that about my profession, I sincerely believe that we have not and probably will not bomb Iran because of what Seymour Hersh has reported in the New Yorker. As bad it is in some quarters, it is one of our last lines of defense.
My comment here was supposed to be to eCAHNomics. Oops. ;-)
oh, very nice thought!! Molly, Ann Richards, and Barbara Jordan together.
Thank you, I will check that out.
It’s finished — and entitled Vice.
Thanks. Odered.
I’m editing the biweekly Washington Spectator, looking at political money, and perhaps another book. But no more political rectography (or proctography) for a while. THe great pleasure for Molly and me with Bill of Wrongs was writing about the very best of our country.
We have Molly Ivins on one hand. And at the opposite is Babs ‘let them eat cake ‘ (Katrina aftermath in N.O.) Shrubush.
Political money sounds fascinating. Might we see some McCain/telecom lobbyist pal stories in your future? (she types hopefully)
Just checked – the link goes to Amazon and they’re out of stock, but our Austin independently owned bookstore called BookPeople has it in stock.
That question has divided the Richards family, part of which has her voting for Hillary and part for Obama. Ann was such an advocate of advancing women in politics — and such a pragmatic politician — this would have been an agonizing choice.
Molly made her position clear in a column in which she ripped Hillary, a difficult (and brave) position for Molly, too.
Yep, it went to Amazon because we get a little hamster chow for our servers that way. Thanks for providing an alternate link, though…
Molly did Strauss. She went to Smith, I went to the University of Houston.
Neocon advocates of the unitary executive is not going to go away, even if the Dem’s are elected.
The Ivins-Olbermann show. Can you visualize?
thank you for the answer lou…love love love you too
Come and gone. Vice: Dick Cheney and the Hijacking of the American Presidency
Lou, my niece is a teenage Texan who’s very liberal, very committed to justice, and who wants to grow up to be the next Molly Ivins. She was in austin for a few years, but has relocated to El Paso.
This is some of her writing.
Hersh’s reporting on Iran has been fantastic. As has Jane Meyer’s work on the Cheney/Addington connection to so much of the undermining of the rule of law. And Charlie Savage’s signing statements pieces. Would that there were loads more like all of them because there is so much more that needs to be exposed. Looks like you are going to be very busy with Washington Spectator digging if you are looking at the money trail, Lou…
Hey Lou,
Will here. Did you have to submit FOIA requests in your research for the book and, if so, how difficult was it to get information from the administration?
Do you think if a Democrat gets in office the unitary executive will weaken some? It feels entrenched to me, too. I know there are many Neocons in the Democratic Prty but I was hoping if the people could regain some power we could be a force to deflate it. Am I dreaming?
Our forefathers must be moaning in their graves.
As disturbing as it was to sit with Jeff and Nicole Rank and listen to their account of being arrested on the Fourth of July for wearing “offensive” t-shirts, I found what happened to Brandon Mayfield the most disturbing event (in this country). Put yourself in a small law office, or accountants office, where you are seated at work. Two FBI agents arrive (always two, like Mormons) and take you away and you have no clue why. The courtroom is closed to the press, other lawyers, even your spouse. This ain’t Kafka. It’s criminal jurisprudence in the age of Bush.
Murat Kurnaz, however, overwhelmed me. He sat and told me how he was hanged by his hands for days in an American prison in Afghanistan. He was asked questions he couldn’t answer (without incriminating himself by answering them falsely: are you associated with al Qaeda, have you ever seen OBL?) He was lowered, briefly, to allow an American physician to check his vital signs to determine if he could endure more torture.
Jim Hightower often says we can’t be a great country if we’re not a good country. No good country would countenance such conduct by it’s military and intelligence officials.
Lou I really was influenced by you and Molly and read ”Bushwacked” and am happy you are carrying on the tradition of political commentary on Texas and Washington. I admit not reading ”Bill of Wrongs”. The appropriate way to reach is not a strength of mine and am happy you are carrying the message to those that need to ”get it”.
Mr. Hightower was one of her fav Tex politicos…how is he doing, is he instrumental in repairing the Dem machine and the damage the Bush Governorship did to the Texas education system and other entities.
Has Baker Botts been subdued by all the Bush clusterfucks at all?
Lou, in reading the book, I was often struck by the Keystone Kops aspects of so much of the Fed responses to things.
Especially when they sent out the Top Secret transcripts of surveillance and then tell the recipients “forget what you’ve read.”
Or the absolute lunacy of the National Security Letters and the response even after the info has been in the NY Times of trying to pretend it is still unknown.
How do we overcome those levels of not only Kafka-esque bizarro world, but the total and complete incompetence?
Although to be honest, the incompetence in some of this is the only positive aspect.
My prayer for relief to the Democratic Congress, not yet answered, is to reestablish it’s constitutional authority as a co-equal branch of government. Provide continual constitutional checks on the president, regardless of party. Henry Waxman gets it. Do what Henry does. In the basement, under the Rotunda, there is a small cell. (I’ve seen it.) It is a symbol of the constitutional authority of the Congress to imprison subjects ruled in contempt. That won’t happen today. But congressional authority needs to be bucked up. Best response to the unitary executive crowd.
Always at least two, so they have a witness if they are accused of improper conduct during the interview or arrest. Which happens a lot, and sometimes isn’t a valid accusation. It’s also why they generally tape interviews or now videotape a lot of them.
The torture must stop.
I’ll go looking.
I sure would like to see Josh and Harriet in that little cell for inherent contempt.
Don’t let her leave Texas. We need her.
Part of Molly’s genius in exercising her political free speech was her use of humor. She could say thing via story and humor, as did Twain years before, that could cut through the self-righteously self-important posers.
I love the description of the recent bunch of GOP presidential candidates that you include in the conclusion: “But if you see something we don’t in the current crop of white Republican men who would be president and are promising to keep fear alive, Guantanamo open, and the federal courts in the hands of the Federalist Society, please call.”
I read that, and I could hear the crowds at the GOP convention in Minneapolis this summer shouting: “Keep fear alive! Keep fear alive! Keep fear alive!”
Humor is a powerful weapon for taking down the self-important, and by that definition, Molly was a weapon of mass instruction.
lou have you read “george bush: the unauthorized biography” by w. tarpley? and if so what did you think of it?
http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
I think most of us here have that same prayer. Oversight and action is needed and standing up to the bullies.
Here’s an example of the problem:
Federal Court Orders Geoffrey Fieger to Pull Anti-Bush Administration Ads from TV
from JONATHAN TURLEY http://jonathanturley.org/2008…..s-from-tv/
In a remarkable ruling, U.S. District Judge Paul Borman has ordered firebrand attorney Geoffrey Fieger to pull TV commercials critical of the Bush Administration. Borman ruled that such ads threatened to influence the jury pool in Fieger’s upcoming trial for making illegal contributions to the John Edwards 2004 presidential campaign. It is an extremely rare ruling that pits judicial administration against the first amendment.
I’ve also noticed the Keystone Kops aspect of W’s GWOT. Lou, what insights do you have on why this is so? Is it that W’s (Rove’s) political appointees have so polluted the functioning of govt? Or is it something intrinsic in the terrorism fight? Do European countries display the same buffoonery?
Well done, Lou. Thanks for all you’ve done. We miss Molly.
Lincoln was like that in his story telling or joke to make a point.
I think a lot of that comes from the incessant push from the Bush Administration to back up their public pronouncements by securing convictions and arrests at any cost. It’s the ends justifies the means mentality that they have brought to everything — and the “metrics” malarky that Rumsfeld brought to Gitmo requiring proof they were doing the right thing through convictions, whether or not the evidence justified doing so. A real prosecutor or law enforcement officer starts from the premise that justice and evidence are everything. The Bush Administration starts with conviction being the goal, and the hell with whether the evidence or the law actually warrants even having a trial.
And of course none of those tapes would ever turn up missing, or be found to have been destroyed, right?
FOIAs to federal agencies. But we were fortunate. We had court records, depositions, testimony, etc. A journalist’s dream, if only because people tend to tell the truth when under oath.
(Okay, so the evangelical extremists in Dover, Pa, were an exception and are still facing indictment for perjury. Judge Jones referred them to the DOJ. Think about that, religious extremism that would lead you to lie in order to achieve your objective in shaping public school curriculum.)
It’s as if everyone thinks they are Jack Bauer all of a sudden.
I wonder what Molly Ivins would say today about those who cavort with and work for, in what ever capicity, for the oil industry.
A PR event and control. What did Stephen Colbert say about the Bush administration being able stage the best PR gigs?
Shrubbish
That opinion from Judge Jones is a thing of beauty, truly. And it’s hilarious.
Me too. And I would love it someone illegally wiretapped it so we could hear them crying.
Bruce Fein, a Republican constitutional scholar who has worked for two Republican presidents, is so good on this. These powers were never contemplated by the authors of our Constitution.
Once in office every executive will find expanded power seductive. I remain convinced the Dems, at lest those running now, will be better.
God gives them the right.
I feel sure Molly would have a comment or two about this:
AP – President Bush declined Saturday to promise more U.S. troop withdrawals from Iraq before he leaves office, and underscored the need for a strong military presence during Iraqi provincial elections in October.
Jim currently is supporting Obama,writing a newsletter, and just has a book out on making small d democracy work.
Pretty good. ;0)
Please stay on topic during the book salon. Thanks!
Is there a worse senator than our own John Cornyn? Does Noriega really stand a chance against him? From what I read/heard, Dem challenger Ray McMurrey bested Noriega at the UT debate.
On the other hand, Noriega’s military resume and hispanic surname could be a huge asset in November. I will cry tears of joy to have a Democratic senator again.
I, too, was stunned by the incompetence. The Mayfields knew someone was in their house. THey just didn’t know it was the FBI, who messed with the blinds, left footprints on the floor in a Muslim home where shoes are left at the door, and locked dead bolts that were never locked. And if I’m ever held with a fingerprint as evidence, my attorney will subpoena the analysis the FBI’s latent print unit did on a print they said was 99 percent positive for Mayfield’s index. (It wasn’t an index and it was ultimately traced to an Algerian in Spain.)
There is some level of protection in incompetence. But these are the guys who are supposed to be protecting us from the evildoers (whom I know exist). Instead, they are out picking low-hanging fruit, and doing it badly.
don’t know it, i’m afraid.
I’ll save my commment on your comment for later. Thanks!
Lou — the issues surrounding the NSL’s and the Library Association folks in Connecticut were really chilling. I know that the provision on that was modified somewhat with the Patriot Act revision, but were you able to get any sense from the folks at ACLU or the plaintiffs in that case on whether there has been any direct pushback from the government on this issue? The internal DOJ report on misuse of the NSLs was devastating, and but there has not been a lot of reporting on what internal checks on that have been established in its wake.
Clearly, “trust us” doesn’t cut it with this crowd, and I’m just wondering if any internal safeguards or other checks on this have been established that you know of at this point?
Just take it to the prior thread as I asked everyone to do at the start of the chat. As always, with every guest we ever have. Thanks much!
This is why your comment earlier @ 96 is right on target. The true check on executive is not getting the right executive in office, but getting the Legislative branch to exercise its co-equal status and stand up for itself AND getting the Judicial branch to cease its lapdog ways.
The latter may take a while, given the number of lifetime appointments made by Bush, but Congress can start moving things back toward respect for the constitution by refusing to confirm those nominees who don’t appear to have ever known the Bill of Rights.
Congressional elections matter — at least as much as the presidential election, if not more so.
That’s the GOP’s worst nightmare: not a single committee chair with a spine like Waxman’s, but a dozen of them.
In 350 newspapers at the time of her death, twice a week Molly Ivins reminded a lot of people isolated by geography and ideology that they were not alone. She did it with humor and intelligence. I miss her personally. But the country misses her, too. The great historian of the Populist movement, Larry Goodwyn, said during the Reagan years “the country is lonely.” Molly’s columns cut through the fog and made people less lonely.
“The founding fathers expected an executive who tried to overreach and expected the executive would be hampered and curtailed by the legislative branch… They [Congress] have basically renounced — walked away from their responsibility to oversee and check.” — Bruce Fein
How could so many in congress disregard their responsibilities? Did they only want to collect a paycheck with good benefits? Did they replace democracy with capitalism?
Lou — are the dilemmas facing librarians and national security letters over, or are they continuing?
Lou,
Do you have any insights as to why the D leadership in Congress has been so whimpy since the 06 elections?
Lou how would you and Molly view impeachment of Bush/Cheney considering all of the unconstitutional activy in this administration/regime?
One of the things I like most about Obama is that he taught constitutional law for several years.
Whoever becomes president in ‘09 needs to hit the ground running, rewriting most or all of the Bush Executive Orders.
That’s exactly right — it worked that way for me, growing up in a fairly conservative little town in WV, whose hometown newspaper printed only GOP-linked columnists. And Molly. She was a lifeline during the Reagan years.
I never knew about the monthly speeches that she gave on the Bill of Rights — that was such an impressive thing to discover. To do that for more that fifteen years is truly amazing, and something we should all not only honor, but try to emulate whenever and wherever we get an opportunity to do so.
Lou, how would Molly describe the impending sell out by Pelosi on Telecom immunity? Especially, considering the fact they crafted the sell out all by themselves… The Repug Conferees did not even attend… 8-(
It’s all about who is hired. Look at the White House aide who resigned yesterday. A former Gary Bauer aide who moved on to Karl Rove. Fired for plagiarism. Look at Al Gonzalez’s hires. Or Al himself, a adequate property right lawyer who could manage deed encumbrances. The problem is the end of a meritocracy and the ascent of hack and ideologues distinguished only by their fidelity to their bosses.
Again, can we all try and stay on topic during book salon and take off-topic chatter to the prior thread. And, please, Lou cannot answer what Molly would have thought about every last thing that may be on your mind at the moment. Let’s try and stick to the subject of the book as much as possible. Thanks!
Christy, you’re too modest to say it, so I will. You give some powerful speeches on the Bill of Rights and the Rule of Law yourself, right here. OK, you haven’t been doing it for fifteen years (yet), but you’re way ahead of the rest of us when it comes to “try[ing] to emulate whenever and wherever we get an opportunity to do so.”
Many, many thanks!
Yeah and doncha love that the plagiarist gets fired forthwith and the real criminals just keep on keepin’ on.
Yes, but I’ve never given one live in Fritters, AL, in the basement of a Holiday Inn. *G* THAT is impressive.
Happy Texas Independence Day, Lou and to Molly wherever you are. (Tomorrow for the unknowing among us). May a blow for independence be struck on Tuesday. I for one will treasure the memory of Molly in her writings and in the few times I did meet her in Austin and Fort Worth, where she was as big in life as she was on the printed page.
I offer my humble apologies, to you and Lou…! *g*
Molly’s father was an oil company executive. But she was more inclined to embrace the Texas wildcatters who set out on a shoeshine and a smile to find oil and whose politics were anathema to Big Oil. I regret that Molly didn’t live long enough to see Steve Griles buy his soap on a rope and go to federal prison. We wrote about him in Bushwhacked. He was a minerals extraction lobbyist who Bush made number 2 at Interior. Went to prison on an Abramoff scam.
Molly had little sympathy for the sort of plunder Big Oil is getting away with today. And she was an advocate of progressive taxation that would have made them pay to play.
Amen!
(But watch it — one of these days, some Firepup is going to email you from Fritters with an invitation . . .)
I print it out, wrap it in a ribbon, and mail it to friends for Christmas. Honest.
As for Librarians
I know my public library won’t keep records of what the patrons take out. As soon as the item is returned they scratch out the record.
TeaPot Dome has nothing on what the Bushies have done. Griles was a small part. And McCain, I think, is covering alot of asses by burying his committee investigation documents on Abramoff.
How irritating is it that your local librarian has to resort to doing something like that to protect his or her patrons? This is what we’ve come to these days…
Lou, I noticed in the book that many/most of those whose stories are told ultimately prevailed over the abuses they had undergone, ie. Mayfield and the Ranks. Was this intentional (by design) for the book layout? Considering that Molly spent so much time urging people to take action and keep the faith, I’m wondering if the book was intended to be encouragement along those lines.
yep, but it seems to be in their blood to protect our privacy. I like that.
I think the checks are coming from the Article III courts. Judge Marrero, after the book was in print, finally ruled on John Doe I, whose identity remains unknown. A great victory for the Bill of Rights, but still on appeal. Anne Beeson and Jameel Jaffer at the NY ACLU, and the courageous librarian plaintiffs did our country a great service.
That said, I don’t think DOJ under the current AG will go along with what Al Gonzales did. (Imagine that John Ashcroft had a moment of heroism, staring down Gonzales from a hospital bed.)
But the courts, district court bench, is so important. Which is why this election is so critical.
I’ve often wondered how aghast folks in TX were to see the speedy 15 minute reviewer of death penalty cases become the US AG. I would imagine it was a painful thing to behold on many levels. I’ve always thought that David Addington has been running things when Fredo was in the WH counsel’s office and then on into the AG chair.
What do you think Noriega’s chances will be against Cornyn?
My best guess is that they settled on a strategy by which they hope to expand their majority in November. Irresponsible and an utter failure if it doesn’t play out.
Interesting, raising the other Q: where are the stories of those who failed to overcome W’s squashing their rights? I think many are in jail on plea bargains because they found govt opposition too daunting. And W then advertises them as victories in the GWOT.
For those who have not yet seen the book, here’s another slice from the introduction:
The only other book that I know of that’s been dedicated to me was my mother’s dissertation (and to my knowledge, only five copies have been printed). Thanks, Lou — and to Molly, too!
And the tales are indeed right and joyous — though the necessity for having to tell them is not.
Jett Rink in Edna Ferber’s Giant was one of those Wildcat types and the a bit like that Oil establishment in Texas. I like to stay away from Texas (no guts.
Molly had smarts and guts and did huge work for freedom.What couyrage to take on the red necksand politicos. Spose Lyndon had a good relation with her? Thank you for coninuing that patriotic effort.Maybe you could help Amricans understand what Patriotism is not pissin your pants in fear, but standing for the rightd that set this nation apart and above what Bushwhacker stand for.
Would you consider a syndicated column? Apologies for the impeachment question Lou/Christy. I knew you were in her head.
Absolutely agree with you on the importance of the future of the federal bench for all of us — this election cycle, especially. The arguments they have had in San Francisco on the NSA wiretap case that’s winding it’s way through federal court alone make that case for working my rear end off to elect candidates carefully this time around airtight for me.
How stunned were you and Molly when you heard Comey tell that story?
Great question.
I don’t know if it was blind luck or journalistic skill. We picked what we thought were egregious abuses and somehow they got righted. I think that the subjects who really fight back, and persist in finding good counsel, prevail. Al Haramain, clearly with its privacy rights violated, is an exception.
You will find little sympathy for those on Texas’ death row in Texas.
And I think your right about Alberto Gonzales, clearly a man in way over his head. Dave Addington proposes and Al Gonzales disposes.
Addington is as brilliant and forceful as he is secretive.
He’s the underdog. But still too soon to tell. The press, including my beloved Texas Observer, should be doing a better job on Cornyn.
Lou, it has been such a thrill to be able to talk to you about the book, I have to say. Your work and Molly’s have been such an inspiration. And this book is such a fine tribute to her legacy, and to what must have been — for you — an enormous amount of tracking down some difficult and gut-wrenching interviews over a period of months and months of work.
Really, folks, if you haven’t read the book, you definitely should. It’s superbly done…with just enough humor to keep you going through the darkest parts.
Somehow the reply went missing — I was quoting Lou @ 154
We were so unimpressed with Chris Bell and his campaign for governor in 2006. Hope that Noriega has his act together a bit better than that.
Lou,
Thanks so much for joining us and answering our Qs. I look forward to reading Bill of Wrongs, and also Vice.
I agree. The Portland Seven, for example, were pisswit jihadis. They got lost in China, never made it to Afghanistan, and came home. Hardly a threat to U.S. security. Think about that. You sit in front of Frost Bank and think about robbing it, with a friend. Then you end up doing time. Dangerous business.
And remember, for every Murat Kurnaz, there are hundreds of people locked in Guantanamo. Many of them innocent.
And lots of protestors gave up their signs, paid their fines, and went home.
Thanks Lou. I’m at p. 144.
Thank you so much, Lou and Christy
This has been great. I’m exhausted. Rarely think this much on a Saturday afternoon. Great questions.
thank you all,
L. Dubose
Late to the party, but on my way to order a copy. Thanks very much Lou.
Thanks so much for coming Lou.
thanks, Lou! Can’t wait to read your book!
5:00PM here, time to have a cold one and think of Molly! And Lou too for what you do!
Thanks from the H.W. DuBose family
Very Phillip K. Dick and “pre-crime” with that one, definitely.
Thank you so much for being here today, Lou — we really enjoyed having you. Come back any time!
Lou, I have your book reserved at the library. I try to read the books before the FDL Salons, but it’s hard to keep up! Thank you so much for chatting with us today.
Sorry I’m a geek for USAPA (Patriot Act) which is what got me started on digging up things on W and his minnions; I have no allusions that the attitude has changed since these letters were first sent out
You have no expectation of privacy according to Daniel J Bryant, Assistant AG
http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/…..22302b.pdf
Admissions of “mistakes” which does not take into account the brazen disregard for anyone’s rights by the Bushies since they passed USAPA and the PAA
http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fisa/ec.pdf
More here
http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fisa/
Thanks, Lou. Thanks, Christy.
oh, i most certainly will buy this book – i’m addicted to Molly and Lou. Thank you, Lou, for being here.
Late, and thank you FDL. Thank You Lou Dubose, your book with Ms. Ivans will be read in this house, and thanks for taking the time to be here.
Lou thank you so much for coming to the Lake and spending the afternoon with us. Everyone, if you haven’t bought the book, it is a must read.
Chrisy thank you, too.
I read Bill of Wrongs a few weeks ago, and was glad to get it through CREDO (Working Assets), and have loaned it to an old friend. What I enjoyed was the style and the anecdotes. I knew some of the stories because I live in Oregon. Typically Molly, the book is so readable and so important. Thanks, Lou for getting it done.
I went to see Molly Ivins at Harvard a few months before she died especially to tell her that there were more people who loved her than she knew. She said, “Well bless your heart” and smiled. I hope that will be some consolation to those who didn’t get the chance to tell her of their love and respect in person. My guess is that she knew how much we all loved Miss Molly Ivins and still do.