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	<title>Comments on: Dems&#8217; Eco-Views II: Frankenlabels and the Precautionary Principle</title>
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		<title>By: JugOPunch</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/01/dems-eco-views-ii-frankenlabels-and-the-precautionary-principle/#comment-1308015</link>
		<dc:creator>JugOPunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hillary Clinton says she is terribly worried about future generations of farmers, so she strongly supports the Farm Bill’s crop insurance.  But, oh, look closer, it’s kind of like that Technology Agreement, all in the fine print: the USDA-crop-insurance forces farmers to purchase Monsanto’s GE-seed-corn to get it.  So, Hillary Clinton is really pushing farmers into what sure looks from here like pure (impure?) GE-seed-hell, helping her friend Monsanto ensnare insurance-desperate farmers.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/25/231619/602&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;An Open Letter to Texas about Hillary and Monsanto and Your Farmers&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hillary Clinton says she is terribly worried about future generations of farmers, so she strongly supports the Farm Bill’s crop insurance.  But, oh, look closer, it’s kind of like that Technology Agreement, all in the fine print: the USDA-crop-insurance forces farmers to purchase Monsanto’s GE-seed-corn to get it.  So, Hillary Clinton is really pushing farmers into what sure looks from here like pure (impure?) GE-seed-hell, helping her friend Monsanto ensnare insurance-desperate farmers.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/25/231619/602" rel="nofollow">An Open Letter to Texas about Hillary and Monsanto and Your Farmers</a></p>
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		<title>By: Larue</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/01/dems-eco-views-ii-frankenlabels-and-the-precautionary-principle/#comment-1307859</link>
		<dc:creator>Larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 09:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Love the thread Doc Kirk. But we’ll all be dead LONG before the bio diversity lack of law kills us.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We got more prominent stuff that will slay us we really should tend to.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;N if we DO survive the present issues of life, then our food sources WILL certainly be the next level of cause to worry about.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But for now, we got loony government’s, loony elected officials, failing economies, lack of jobs, increasing homeless, and likely a whole SERIES of oncoming viral bugs to worry about. Not to mention all them nukes and the phools with their fingers on the triggers . . . &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Course, I ’spose ya gotta write about SOME thing, in here. And DNA and food sources is something. Monsanto is DuPont for foods, I guess.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the thread Doc Kirk. But we’ll all be dead LONG before the bio diversity lack of law kills us.</p>
<p>We got more prominent stuff that will slay us we really should tend to.</p>
<p>N if we DO survive the present issues of life, then our food sources WILL certainly be the next level of cause to worry about.</p>
<p>But for now, we got loony government’s, loony elected officials, failing economies, lack of jobs, increasing homeless, and likely a whole SERIES of oncoming viral bugs to worry about. Not to mention all them nukes and the phools with their fingers on the triggers . . . </p>
<p>Course, I ’spose ya gotta write about SOME thing, in here. And DNA and food sources is something. Monsanto is DuPont for foods, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/01/dems-eco-views-ii-frankenlabels-and-the-precautionary-principle/#comment-1307507</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 06:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Some more on &lt;a href=&quot;http://medicine.jrank.org/pages/2918/Transposable-Genetic-Elements.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Transposable Genetic Elements&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some more on <a href="http://medicine.jrank.org/pages/2918/Transposable-Genetic-Elements.html" rel="nofollow">Transposable Genetic Elements</a></p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/01/dems-eco-views-ii-frankenlabels-and-the-precautionary-principle/#comment-1307492</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 05:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One of the most important grafting cases was when a parasitic fungus began attacking wine plants in France and Northern California. Tens of thousands of acres had to be pulled up and burned in order to try and prevent it’s spread. Eventually they found that by grafting the root stock of one wild variety of grape with the domesticated wine stems they could reintroiduce resistance to the plants.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then there is the hybrid plant varieties…especially fruits…that are from what was once thought to be impossible to crossbreed. MNany citrus varieties are cross-species hybrids.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In addition Barbara McClintock found that bacteria are changing the genetic character of plants all the time. Bacteria intergrate the genes of one plant and will infect another plant after taking that transposon into it’s own genome and put it in the new plant. They do this with animals as well…in fact about 70% of our own genome has a bacterial or viral origin that’s been passed down, made into multiple copies that have “infected” other parts of our genome, and copied again.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the most important grafting cases was when a parasitic fungus began attacking wine plants in France and Northern California. Tens of thousands of acres had to be pulled up and burned in order to try and prevent it’s spread. Eventually they found that by grafting the root stock of one wild variety of grape with the domesticated wine stems they could reintroiduce resistance to the plants.</p>
<p>Then there is the hybrid plant varieties…especially fruits…that are from what was once thought to be impossible to crossbreed. MNany citrus varieties are cross-species hybrids.</p>
<p>In addition Barbara McClintock found that bacteria are changing the genetic character of plants all the time. Bacteria intergrate the genes of one plant and will infect another plant after taking that transposon into it’s own genome and put it in the new plant. They do this with animals as well…in fact about 70% of our own genome has a bacterial or viral origin that’s been passed down, made into multiple copies that have “infected” other parts of our genome, and copied again.</p>
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		<title>By: ACitizen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/01/dems-eco-views-ii-frankenlabels-and-the-precautionary-principle/#comment-1307395</link>
		<dc:creator>ACitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One good placed to start is with Mark Shapiro’s Book: Exposed: The Toxic Chemistry of Everyday Products and What’s at Stake for American Power. My post on this, which set up our book salon with him in person, &lt;a href=&quot;http://takeaction.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/brain-food-is-back/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;is here………….&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mark really was informative on the political side of the split between Boosh’s corporate poisoner program and the EU’s precautionary principle.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One thing, I live in The People’s Republic of Berkeley and there are at least half a dozen markets and several supermarkets where I can shop without fear of ingesting corporate poison. That is so because we, the  citizens of The People’s Republic, made it so.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You can to it in your community also. Just stop buying the poison and tell the purveyors of same why you are.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One good placed to start is with Mark Shapiro’s Book: Exposed: The Toxic Chemistry of Everyday Products and What’s at Stake for American Power. My post on this, which set up our book salon with him in person, <a href="http://takeaction.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/brain-food-is-back/" rel="nofollow">is here………….</a></p>
<p>Mark really was informative on the political side of the split between Boosh’s corporate poisoner program and the EU’s precautionary principle.</p>
<p>One thing, I live in The People’s Republic of Berkeley and there are at least half a dozen markets and several supermarkets where I can shop without fear of ingesting corporate poison. That is so because we, the  citizens of The People’s Republic, made it so.</p>
<p>You can to it in your community also. Just stop buying the poison and tell the purveyors of same why you are.</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/01/dems-eco-views-ii-frankenlabels-and-the-precautionary-principle/#comment-1307337</link>
		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It sure does I don’t think people are asking/researching the right questions. The Racist idea that Brown folks just breed more is I think a cover for not asking the right questions about chemical exposure. Brown Folk don’t get good paying chemical jobs.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sure does I don’t think people are asking/researching the right questions. The Racist idea that Brown folks just breed more is I think a cover for not asking the right questions about chemical exposure. Brown Folk don’t get good paying chemical jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/01/dems-eco-views-ii-frankenlabels-and-the-precautionary-principle/#comment-1307318</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BTW, last fall an issue of the Economist made a case that –purely from a biz perspective — any smart US biz would comply with EU standards. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which means that by keeping its head up its collective ass, the US regulatory agencies are impeding our economic progress.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(I figure it the Economist prints it, then it’s sanctioned by the MoversAndShakersWhoKnowAboutTheseThings.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, last fall an issue of the Economist made a case that –purely from a biz perspective — any smart US biz would comply with EU standards. </p>
<p>Which means that by keeping its head up its collective ass, the US regulatory agencies are impeding our economic progress.</p>
<p>(I figure it the Economist prints it, then it’s sanctioned by the MoversAndShakersWhoKnowAboutTheseThings.)</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/01/dems-eco-views-ii-frankenlabels-and-the-precautionary-principle/#comment-1307310</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kirk, I hope that you’ll consider doing a specific post on just this topic alone.  I think people really don’t stop very often to realize that many kinds of diseases take years to develop and that it’s really important to push for funding for l-o-n-g term research that follows people over as many years as possible.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s hard to get your head around the idea that the Frankenfoods you eat break down into the wrong sorts of molecules, which then mean your cells get the wrong nutrients, and this plays out over weeks, months, years.  A post on this would be helpful.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Another impressive post from you — thanks much ;-)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirk, I hope that you’ll consider doing a specific post on just this topic alone.  I think people really don’t stop very often to realize that many kinds of diseases take years to develop and that it’s really important to push for funding for l-o-n-g term research that follows people over as many years as possible.</p>
<p>It’s hard to get your head around the idea that the Frankenfoods you eat break down into the wrong sorts of molecules, which then mean your cells get the wrong nutrients, and this plays out over weeks, months, years.  A post on this would be helpful.</p>
<p>Another impressive post from you — thanks much ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/01/dems-eco-views-ii-frankenlabels-and-the-precautionary-principle/#comment-1307299</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Things, I am unaware of any studies concluding that (when other variables are controlled for) non-Caucasians are less affected by any aspects of chemcial pollution.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If I understand correctly, the premise that non-Caucasians are less affected by aspects of chemical pollution is not a valid premise.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hope this helps.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things, I am unaware of any studies concluding that (when other variables are controlled for) non-Caucasians are less affected by any aspects of chemcial pollution.</p>
<p>If I understand correctly, the premise that non-Caucasians are less affected by aspects of chemical pollution is not a valid premise.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You have raised what is probably the most important question of our times.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do not, however, expect any form of serious answer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In fact, do not expect much of anything.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You have fingered the most holy of holies and that is the BIG no-no.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It matters not that you are absolutely correct, only that you are not ‘right’.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have raised what is probably the most important question of our times.</p>
<p>Do not, however, expect any form of serious answer.</p>
<p>In fact, do not expect much of anything.</p>
<p>You have fingered the most holy of holies and that is the BIG no-no.</p>
<p>It matters not that you are absolutely correct, only that you are not ‘right’.</p>
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