Good news: both Sen. Clinton and Sen Obama support labelling Frankenfoods. Why care? Well, all of us in the US - and everyone in our families and communities - are human lab rats in a giant experiment. American adults and American children are the first test subjects in world history to be eating Frankenfoods.
Not so good news: both Senator Clinton and Sen. Obama have a long way to go on the Precautionary Principle, although Senator Obama has a small lead on the issue.
Good eco-news doesn't come along every post, so let's open that treat first.
As we've discussed, Frankenfoods are plants and animals created in labs by forcing wholly alien species' DNA into the species of plants and animals we rely on for food. With so many other pollutants in our food, why care about alien species' DNA? I mean, pollen is basically just plant semen, and every spring the whole biosphere gets alien pollen sprayed all over the place.
Who knew hay fever was so kinky?
Anyway, the flowering plants we know and love and plant and fawn over - and sneeze over - have been painting the globe with plant semen for about 130 million years. Yet like college students, just because the flowering plants play catch with a whole lotta their friends' DNA, they don't play catch with all the other plants' DNA. Instead, the flowering plants negotiate through the Plant Kingdom's annual pollen keggers very carefully. They don't fall for the first bit of pollen to float by - rather, the flowering plants carefully select pollen partners who are from the same neck of the evolutionary woods: the same species, a closely related species, or closely related genera. I want a pollen just like the pollen that fertilized dear old mom. And depsite their pollen parties, the flowering plants don't play any DNA catch with fish or other animals.
We humans have been playing matchmaker among plants in the same neck of the evolutionary woods for thousands of years. Over the last decades, we humans have used various sources of radiation and a few chemicals to heat up the plants' pollen swapping parties, but the swapping was still confined to closely related plants. And the plants used ther own natural mechanisms to combine their close relatives' DNA into their own DNA, otherwise known as their genome.
The matchmaking techniques above are broadly considered conventional plant breeding. The results of these conventional plant breeding techniques may be new to us, but they are made up from the genetic material of a single species or - a most - of closely related species or genera (a group of closely related species is called a genus; plural form: genera).
Frankenplants are the artifical creatures of genetic engineering, which is used to force the DNA from other organisms (distantly related plants; animals; fungi; bacteria) into familar plants to produce mutant offspring. Over and over, these brand-new Frankencrops turn out to be toxic to animals. Since we're animals, that's bad news.
Unlike chemical pollutants, the Frankengenes forced into our familar food crops can manufacture themselves outside the lab. And they do - everytime their "home" Frankencrop reproduces. The Frankengenes are copied along with the rest of the DNA from the Frankenplant into Frankenpollen that contaminates non-GMO plants, resulting in genetic pollution: the spread of Frankengenes through our familar food crops.
So - you don't wanna eat Frankenfoods? Tough beans - if you live in the US. In the US, BigIndustrialFood successfully fought off Federal legislation that would allow us to know if a product contained GMO crops. Why would BigIndustrialFood fight labelling Frankenfood labelling? Well, around the world, consumers don't want to buy Frankenfoods 'caus ethey don't want to eat them. In EU nations that mandate Frankenlabels, foods made with GMO ingredients are impossible to sell. US consumers don't want Frankenfoods either.
Despite the fact we don't want the toxic crap, 70 percent of the processed foods in US supermarkets contain Frankencrops. The same GMO labelling that EU consumers rely upon to avoid Frankenfoods would allow US consumers to opt out.
Mandatory Frankenlabelling in US foods allows Amercians to stop being lab rats in the vast experiment with our diet - and our families - which is GMO agriculture. Fortunately, both Senator Obama and Senator Clinton support Frankenlabelling.
And just in time, too. Even our pathetically compromised FDA/USDA are supposed to be aware of new Frankencrops (although now that both agencies are controlled by Big Pharma/Big Ag/Big Mutant, they usually just roll over and let the new Frankencrops out of the labs and into our fields - and our kids). Yet as the sharp-eyed Tom Philpott over at Grist noted, Forbes magazine reports farmers in India are rasing Frankseeds for planting in the US - for Frankencrops even the FDA hasn't approved.
Of course, while we're waiting for mandatory Frankenlabels, we US consumers (and those who eat food products exported from the US) can choose foods labelled organic; US organic standards exclude GMO ingredients.
I don't know about you, but I don't go to the market to read - I'd rather spend my reading time on something else. The fact we all need to scrutinize labels just to minimize the amount of toxic crap we bring home to eat is an eaxmple of externalization. The Mutant Ag/Industrial Food megacorps force their products onto the market, and externalize onto us the burden of avoiding Frankefoods - as well as the burden of Frankenfoods' toxicity.
In a bizzare perversion of fairness, the Fraknenfoods are treated as innocent util proven toxic. We humans are treated as lab rats: when enough of us sicken and die from toxic substances already on the market, we than have to fight epic battles with some megacorp to force the toxin off the market - and out of our bodies.
This is called the "body-count" principle. We the victims have to prove the toxic substance harmed us before we can be free of the substance.
The precautionary principle restores rights to the living. The precautionary principle basically requires the manufacturers of the new substance - including Frankenfoods - to bear the burden of proof:
When an activity raises threats of harm to human health or the environment, precautionary measures should be taken even if some cause and effect relationships are not fully established scientifically. In this context the proponent of an activity, rather than the public, should bear the burden of proof.
I contacted both Senator Clinton and Senator Obama's camapigns to ask about both Dem candidates' position on the PP:
As part of a series comparing Sen Obama's and Sen Clinton's respective legislative histories and campaign platforms on these issues, I'm writing about toxic substance regulation, with specific attention to the candidates' advocacy of the precautionary principle as the basis for toxic substance regulation in the US.
Though both campaigns 'net media contacts made themselves available, Sen Obama's policy office never provided any meaningful answer. Sen Obama's policy office did not provide a direct answer to the precautionary principle question, but did provide the Senator's previous answer to a queston about toxics:
Q: Despite years of debate and scientific effort, only a tiny fraction of the approximately 75,000 chemicals in commercial production have been subjected to even rudimentary toxicity testing. Children up to age six are most at risk because their vital organs and immune system are still developing and because they depend more heavily on their environments than adults do.
How will existing regulations be bolstered to limit children's exposures to industrial toxins in our environment? Do you support adopting Europe's REACH here in the U.S.?
A: First, I will ensure that current law is enforced to meet its original intent. The Bush administration has weakly interpreted too many laws, including the Clean Air Act, to provide protections to corporate interests, and that trend will end in my administration.
Second, I will build on my leadership in the U.S. Senate to ban lead in children's products and work to identify gaps in our regulatory process for other toxins that adversely affect children. I think that Europe's REACH program is innovative and I look forward to working with chemical safety experts in my administration to determine how well REACH is being implemented, and what aspects of the approach would be beneficial for the United States to adopt.
OK - Clinton punted on the PP. Obama's answer is encouraging, yet disappointing.
What is REACH?
The strongest promise of REACH is its potential to identify and phase out the most hazardous chemicals by requiring their substitution with safer alternatives wherever possible (“substitution principle”).This solution-oriented requirement would offer a precautionary approach to protect our health and environment. It would replace the current system which is based on establishing “safe” levels of chemical exposure. Attempts to establish safe exposure levels and effect thresholds are flawed by the impossibility of determining the consequences of long-term exposure to low levels of hazardous chemicals, singly and, especially, in combination. The urgency for change is driven by the growing evidence of contamination of the population at large, in which the blood of unborn children may already contain as many as 100 man-made industrial chemicals.
Specifically, REACH is intended to:
-fill the gaps in our knowledge of the hazards of chemicals
-only allow chemicals onto the market if specific safety data on them are made available (principle of ‘no data - no market’)
-detect, limit and when needed replace hazardous substances with safer alternatives (‘substitution principle’)
- transfer the burden of proving that chemicals are not dangerous away from the public authorities and onto chemical manufacturers, so that the latter will have to prove the safety of their products (‘reversing the burden of proof’)
- ensure that there is adequate information on all chemicals and that this information is communicated to all who come into contact with the chemicals from users to final consumers (‘right to know’)
- remove competitive disadvantages from tested new substances as compared to untested existing substances
So what's not to like? Well, we still don't know where Senator Obama stands on the Precautionary Principle, though we know he likes REACH. We still don't know whether (if elected) Senator Obama will end the "body-count" system and protect us by placing the burden of proof on manufacturers, rather than on our families and our funerals. And - most important of all - we still don't know how Sen Obama (if elected) would choose his experts and advisers on eco-issues.
If elected, will he choose advisers from Big Ag/ Big Pharma / Big Vat? Or will he step outside the Beltway feeding trough to choose experts with a track record of protecting people, rather than products?
[photo credit: pelikanol]
[Sen Obama's Frankenlabelling statement: h/t Grist]
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What’s Up, Doc? *g*
that is why we don’t eat processed foods and I rarely shop at a ’standard’ grocery store.
Thanks for the post (as I sip my raw recipe chocolate banana shake)
What the heck are Frankenfoods?
Bob in HI
Planted onions today. lettuce tomorrow( with a row cover)
Hey kirk—
1:18 AM Sunday here in Paris—
Gettin’ up for work!
Great post, Kirk. We need to keep pressing them on this matter as well as the state of our food supply. It amazes me, when I do perchance wonder into a standard grocery store, just how much crap is out there and how poor the fruit and vegetable choices and quality are.
There is semen in our food? Okay, on that note I’m going to bed…with some food, of course. Bah hahahahaha! Just kidding…
Nite nite everyone. ;-)
Bob, he summed it up…
Become a locavore *g*
boa noite Kay
I buy as much from local sources, my Farmers market, and, I’m blessed with year round production…!
Aloha, Kay!
Barack will repeat at about 11:30 on C-span
Hi Bob - Frankenfoods are foods containing genetically modified organisms - creatures (usually plants) that were produced by genetic engineering. Sorry I did not make that clear.
Aloha, CT!
snowbird, good luck with the garden - where (climate wise) are you?
Biodun, good morning.
And woobly - thanks and good for you for protecting your family!
East Tennessee zone 6
Bon appetit, Kay! ;)
snowbird42, sure agree with you on locavoring - can you tell us more?
buy local, eat food that has not traveled more than 100 miles. Read Kingsolvers book “Animal Vegetable Miracle.”
thanks Kirk, funny and informative!
Funny four minute movie.
You can right click on the image and hit “show all “to make it a little bigger.
http://www.archive.org/details/StoreWars
Do you think the family farm will ever return are we doomed to agra biz forever, till death do us part?
We buy organic as much as possible since we don’t grow our own. It is not so important for my wife and me as it is for our 10 year old. Our son gets mad because we often tell him that he can’t eat something because it is not organic. He says it would be much easier if we didn’t concentrate on organic food. Unfortunately we are unable to get everything organic. Sometimes we even worry about the truthfulness of the organic label.
I’m at about 95% raw and hubby is at about 75%. It took some getting used to but I also do most of my shopping at open air markets. When I do have to go into the store, I make sure that I read that PLU label so i can tell if the produce is organic, conventionally grown or modified/frankenfruit
I read all packages now and dont buy things with high fructose corn syrup. At least as there first ingredient.
Unlikely..at the National Level, the DLC, NDN, DNC, etc and their operatives and consultants are interconnected. Pressure for change will have to be bottom up.
11:30 ET?
Thanks, Kirk. This is all very scary. I remember actually trusting our government. I’m going to plant a garden this year.
Mostly tonight I heard a commitment to listen and I believe he will.
I think so but it was on the thread on Kos, so Im not sure.
BigAg has paid off the USDA and FDA so the criteria for being called “Organic” are so blurred that the only thing that you can be sure of is that you will pay more.
You wont be sorry. Just dont get too big. You will get discouraged. Use mulch for weeds. Gardens are addictive.
I’m wondering if FrankenFoods will crowd out normal different plants who have character traits that we need or will need in the future.
We need to encourage a wide range of biodiverse crops.
We have a long way to go in cleaning up our food industry, but we have made some progress. Ten years ago it was hard to find organic “anything” in a super market. Now most sell products labeled organic.
But I’ll be dead before we have widespread healthy foods easily available and affordable for the people.
See you all tomorrow
Digging has me tired …but happy
This is not a Obama comment..but all politicians listen..we just have to make sure our voices are heard..very few get elected to national office without taking big money contributions..which buys access..that’s politics.
Thanks, I won’t get too big. I’m thinking tomatoes, snow peas, green beans, cucumber…nothing that’s already cheap and okay at the markets like onion and carrots. Maybe some melon. I already have avocado and peach trees.
I was just sorting through the seeds I bought for the garden this year. I realized that 1 - either I have to change the entire backyard into a garden or I bought way too much and 2 - I have onion seeds (I forgot!) and I can plant them tomorrow!
As the current agrabiz system is only possible with massive (and unsustainable) direct subsidies (Farm Bill) and indirect subsidies (petrochemicals for fertilizer / Ag Chems / transport lacking carbon tax), I’m actually hopeful the agra biz system is not sustainable.
Our challenge will be to keep the pressure on so subsidies drive the retention of the remaining farm families and the creation of ag ploicies that support them.
Nite, snowbird. Sleep tight.
Is there any research about people who do eat Frankenfoods? Is there any research that shows harm done?
sleep well, snowbird. happy garden dreams.
Kirk, I’m wondering: With the rising costs of gasoline (and the fact that biofuels like gasohol are taking up the slack in our corn and beans production), will “regular” food wind up catching up to organic food in price?
Also, did you hear about NYC’s licensing veggie-cart vendors? A fleet of about a thousand (edit: make that 1500) of them are going to hit New York’s poorest, most food-deprived neighborhoods, in an effort to bring decent, affordable fresh food to places without anything but Quik-E-Marts.
Sounds like a good idea..food prices are projected to really increase.
PetroChemicals are oil by products right so the higher the price of oil is the more sense it makes to go organic from a farmers pocket book standpoint then.
Plus organic food commands higher prices anyway.
The law of unintended consequences and Murphy’s law might be working in our favor then.
Do you have a garden? I’ve got rabbits, which haven’t been a problem since they just eat the grass, but I’ve got to figure out how to keep them away, along with the gophers. Or is it easiest to just share??
Yeah. That’ll teach me to comment first, and read later. Frankenfoods, as in Frankenstein, huh?
Well, I hate to be the one to break the news, but humans have been messing with the genetics of our food supply for thousands of years. Our “corn on the cob,” for example, is a real frankenstein, compared with the wild ancestors of corn, which don’t look anything like it. And mules– aaack! inter-species sex! Gross! Ick! Against nature!
And let’s not get started about grafting!
Aaack! Horrible horrors! Bastardizing nature!
sniff. whimper.
Bob in HI
Things, one of the difficulty with human studies is that - well - we live so damn long. Toxins can affect us even before we’re conceived (by affecting our parents’ or grandparents’ “germ-line” DNA: the DNA in their eggs and sperm. As we develop from a fertilized egg, we have a multitude of “toxic windows”: time periods in which specific systems’ development can be disrupted by low levels of a chemical (yet at other times in our development the same low lovels would not disrupt the system).
FOr this reason, multigenerational studies would be required to demonstrtae that GMO crops are actually free of toxic effects in humans.
Multigenerational studies in animals have shown significant toxic effects from Frankencrops already present in our food supply.
Grafting of avocado trees is common (and perhaps necessary). One tree has the good root system, and the grafted part has the better fruit. Pretty amazing, really.
Doctor Murphy!
The good Doctor, dispenser of hope, honesty and sustainable tomorrows.
Your prescriptions are tonic, revivimg of life and never lacking in humor.
Much appreciated, indeed!
Apologies for this totally OT posting, but just a heads up. Tomorrow is Feingold’s birthday.
How about mayfly studies then mice then we work up to humans but if problems occur at any stage the Food companies have to pay for further nonhuman research to prove its safe?
I belong to the school if bugs won’t eat something then I can’t. Wait if Frankenfoods kill bugs then what proof do I have it won’t kill me?
Granted as you say at a much later date.
With the current criminal government, forget regulation of Frankenfoods, how about keeping “downers” out of the human food chain. Bovine Prions are a proven threat and the USDA doesn’t give a shit.
One of my first ag jobs was on an avocado farm in Kona, and, I was taught how to graft them… It does produce a much more prolific crop…!
Frankenfoods are plants and animals created in labs by forcing wholly alien species’ DNA into the species of plants and animals we rely on for food.
I find this anti-scientific framing to be repulsive.
Kirk:
Great post–I learned a lot from it–A LOT. Disclosure: Before I read the post, I had no idea all of this shit was going on. Well I had but—not by any means to this detail. Thanks.
As a curiosity: You’re an MD psychiatrist. Just why and how did you pick up all this knowledge? Do you belong to a food coop or something? (I used to sit on the Board of Directors of the Seward Coop Community in Minneapolis…)
I think there is a difference between that and putting pesticides into food. Pesticides that neither we nor the bugs have adopted a defense.
Bugs evolve faster thanks to multiple births and quicker birth rates than us. So the bugs are likely immune to any potential pesticide that won’t hurt us
I think you can find a more explicit description in Kirk’s last post.
PW, I wish I knew the answer to your excellent question. With respect to Frankencrops, the “Roundup-Ready” mutants group tend to offer yields no better than (often inferior to) crops from conventional plant breeding. The Roundup Ready crop just gets doused with more of the herbicide Roundup.
As the costs of fossil fuel based Ag inputs (including Roundup/glyphosate, other herbicides, and pesticides) increases, the equation will increaingly disfavor extra Roundup use.
Good thing, too - Roundup/glyphosate have been shown to be associated with increased rates of lymphoma in humans.
Bob, further down the post you’ll find more new information….
If anyone missed the 60 Minutes piece on what’s happening with the bee population, here it is:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....7762.shtml
- Tom
Great news, PW. As you’ve pointed out, poverty correlates with decreased access to fresh produce/healthy food. The more processed foods pepole eat, the greater their risks of obesity, daibetes, and a whole host of illnesses. I’m really glad to hear of the carts.
Are Frankenfoods and or the chemical bug killers fertilizers related to the Frog/toad disappearing problem which I have not heard much of in the MSM for years even though when Bill was president and I was in college we heard allot about it.
Also I remember something about Gators and Fish with mixed sex organs could this be related to the western world and Japan’s declining birth rate?
Anti? It was science that created the mess in the first place…!
RZ- exactly what is it that you find anti-scientific about this framing? “Science” can be used for good or bad.
Mexico has a great birth rate so what chemicals are used here but are not used or have only been recently introduced to Mexico? These Chemicals could be the culprits.
Again we need research where is Obama and Hilary on that?
Ironically, one of the top ag products shipped from the Big Isle is Queen Bees…
Science has consequences we have to ask questions even if Big Corporations do not like the answers not asking questions and doing research is antiScientific.
i don’t think there’s anything anti-scientific about it.
imo, science is a way (or method) to learn about the natural world. what we do with that knowledge is NOT science.
again, just my opinion.
p.s. “science” is neutral. It’s what humans do with the information that makes the difference.
TomR, thanks for helping people keep informed on what is happening with the crashes in bee populations. IIRC 40% of our crops (or 40% of our crop value) depends upon honeybees and other pollinator.
The African American Birthrate is good too is class and or exposure to chemicals the determining factor again we need research?
snap!
(edit- at least I think so! ;) )
I concur, with you and Selise, science is inherently neutral…! *g*
Whats the latest on bee die off if the bees did not survive the winter food prices will skyrocket. Also doesn’t China lead the world in bee production?
How are their bees doing? Well I would expect them to cover it up if they had a problem.
But still any news?
Any research into Frankenfoods or farm chemicals killing bees in other countries that is Bush I’m sure would not allow anyone to ask that question.
I think 40% is way to low, Doc! IMHO, 75-80% would be more accurate, the vast majority of plants require pollination for reproduction…!
Happened to be living in Ithaca NY when Cornell was experimenting with ‘modified’ corn. Shore kilt of them ugly, pesky Monarch flutterbys …
But then, we can’t make ‘progress’ at much of anything unless we are willing to ’surge’!
Hell, if them other species is complainin’ ’bout becomin’ collateral ‘damage’, it’s their own damn fault. They coulda chosen ta be part of the superior species …
To bee or not to bee . . .
Bats are now dying off:
link
CT- I like the exact way that you said that. I will use it!
“Science is inherently neutral.”
Not with the Thugs..if they don’t like the science they have a “Zampolit” change the report or they just de-fund it.
So the bee keepers think its a tobacco pesticide that is killing the bees.
We so have the GOP they always protect Tobacco we just tell the tobacco farmers we just don’t want it sprayed on plants.
Natural Tobacco should be fine once we get rid of the extra chemicals. But we can’t spray it on plants or we kill the bees.
The election is in November a bee die off and resulting bad harvest will get us even the 30%ers.
Although we might have a famine.
Things, I’m kinda leery about making generalizations about birth rates as a function of geography or ethnicity - I’m ignorant about the presence (or absence) of data that measures birth rates as a function of either, but controls for variables like income, occupation, rural vs. urban vs suburban.
However, multiple sources of data demonstrate associations between a wide range of toxic substances and increased rates of infertility and miscarriage (aka “spontaneous abortion” in medicalese).
One of the best sources for laypeole is Generations At RIsk - I believe it is on the PSR-LA website.
Yep. Our development (including the development of our central nervous systems - which in turn include our brains) in the uterus is guided by hormones. Hormones are molecules produced in our body that carry information (in the form of chemical signals) from one place in our body to another.
The body system that produces these hormones is known as the endocrine system.
One class of hormones are known as “sex hormones” - these include estrogen. Turns out that a whole lot of synthetic chemicals (like those found in the plastic coatings that line “tin” cans and those found in plastic water bottles and baby bottles) can mimic natual estrogen and change our bodies.
These artificial estrogens and similar chemicals mimicing other sex hormones are part of a group known as “endocrine mimics” - they mimic the action of natural hormones.
Endocrine mimics (for sex hormones) are suspected as the cause of the intersex reptiles. Endocrine mimics are also suspected to be cause of increased rates of abnormal development of male genitalia, as well as a very strong candidate for causing increased rates of infertility and other reproductive disorders.
The precautionay principle would test chemicals for endocrine mimicry before they were ever released onto the market - and into our bodies.
Thanks for the bat link- that is scary. The bats species mentioned are insect eaters, so who knows that’s up. Could even be due to change in diet due to global warming….
Monarch Butterflies are believed to be the souls of dead Aztec Warriors if they all die then they have been reincarnated for Krazilec sp? the last battle.
What happens next I don’t know the Spanish destroyed most of our knowledge.
Ain’t that the truth! Or they’ll flat out shoot the messenger…! Stalin would’ve been proud! ;-)
Thanks CT - I believe you all in the Isles are a lot closer to the blossoming world than I am. Not to put you on the spot, but if you have a reference/linky for the proportion that pollinate “on their own” (vs pollinate via insect intermediaries) I’d be grateful.
DWBartoo - that must have been so sad to watch….
Honeybees may be major pollinators, CTuttle, but they aren’t the only ones. Different plants are dependent upon a variety of different animals for pollination. Some plants are pollinated almost exclusively by honeybees (like almonds), some only partly, and some not at all.
I shall scrounge around and try to find the sources…! *g*
One other harbinger, is the depleting Frog populations and mass deformities that are being recorded globally…! 8-(
You’ll get no argument with me there…! I agree there are other sources such as the butterflies and birds…! ;-)
The Hebrews associated the planet Venus with Satan hence the term Morningstar for Satan according to Asmiov’s guide to the Bible. Aztecs associated Venus with the end of one of the worlds ages.
Something bad happens humans are almost wiped out and then we have a new age. Oh and I believe the coming new age is the last one.
Thank you for sharing that poetic belief. We, in the good ole YouEssof Ay are profoundly ignorant and careless of the cosmologies of others, to our great social cost and our very significant human loss.
Sorry, missed the “and other pollinators” in the first comment. Never mind.
Actually, I am a whole lot more worried about genetic engineering at the microbial level than I am about genetic engineering about the food we eat.
Bob in HI
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