The Bush/Cheney/McCain spiel that "the surge is working" has been repeated without challenge by US media so much that it’s become an article of faith. Too bad it’s not true.
As Dahr Jamail points out in this February 22, 2008 posting:
The death toll is high, according to the website icasualties.org, which provides reliable numbers of Iraqi civilian and security deaths.
In January this year 485 civilians were killed, according to the website. It says the number is based on news reports, and that "actual totals for Iraqi deaths are higher than the numbers recorded on this site."
The average month in 2005, before the "surge" was launched, saw 568 civilian deaths. In January 2006, the month before the "surge" began, 590 civilians died.
Many of the killings have taken place in the most well guarded areas of Baghdad. And they have continued this month.
They have indeed. As Chris Hedges notes:
The supporters of the war, from the Bush White House to Sen. John McCain, tout the surge as the magic solution. But the surge, which primarily deployed 30,000 troops in and around Baghdad, did little to thwart the sectarian violence. The decline in attacks began only when we bought off the Sunni Arabs. U.S. commanders in the bleak fall of 2006 had little choice. It was that or defeat. The steady rise in U.S. casualties, the massive car bombs that tore apart city squares in Baghdad and left hundreds dead, the brutal ethnic cleansing that was creating independent ethnic enclaves beyond our control throughout Iraq, the death squads that carried out mass executions and a central government that was as corrupt as it was impotent signaled catastrophic failure.
The United States cut a deal with its Sunni Arab enemies. It would pay the former insurgents. It would allow them to arm and form military units and give them control of their ethnic enclaves. The Sunni Arabs, in exchange, would halt attacks on U.S. troops. The Sunni Arabs agreed.
The U.S. is currently spending hundreds of millions of dollars to pay the monthly salaries of some 600,000 armed fighters in the three rival ethnic camps in Iraq. These fighters — Shiite, Kurd and Sunni Arab — are not only antagonistic but deeply unreliable allies. The Sunni Arab militias have replaced central government officials, including police, and taken over local administration and security in the pockets of Iraq under their control. They have no loyalty outside of their own ethnic community. Once the money runs out, or once they feel strong enough to make a thrust for power, the civil war in Iraq will accelerate with deadly speed. The tactic of money-for-peace failed in Afghanistan. The U.S. doled out funds and weapons to tribal groups in Afghanistan to buy their loyalty, but when the payments and weapons shipments ceased, the tribal groups headed back into the embrace of the Taliban.
As Carl Levin and John Warner stated earlier this month (h/t Blue Texan):
Sen. Carl Levin, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said Wednesday that the U.S. troop buildup in Iraq has failed because it hasn’t achieved its primary goal of sparking political reconciliation among that country’s rival sectarian groups. His pessimism was shared by senior Republican John Warner, who said the war is still not going as well as hoped.
…
"It is long past time that the Iraqi leaders hear a clear simple message: We can’t save them from themselves. It’s in their hands, not ours, to create a nation by making the political compromises needed to end the conflict," he added.
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Warner, the No. 2 Republican on the panel, said there are signs of progress in Iraq and Afghanistan. "But I think by any fair standard, that level of progress to date has fallen below those expectations we’ve had as a nation," he said.
Before Bush invaded, Iraq was a functioning nation, where women could wear jeans on the buses they took to work. Now it’s a charnel house where women don’t step outside without two male relatives and a burqa — and can be raped at will by any male who wants to do so. The surge didn’t change this one bit.
By the way: concerning what even Alan Greenspan admitted was the real reason Bush invaded Iraq, here’s a blast from the past.
Seems that, in an April 14, 2005 press conference, Bush himself said that there was no need for subsidies or incentives to the oil companies if oil hit $50 $55 a barrel. ("I will tell you with $55 oil we don’t need incentives to oil and gas companies to explore. There are plenty of incentives.") Well, guess what? It will never be less than $55 a barrel — or even $65 a barrel — ever again. So why are Bush and his Republican colleagues in Congress so flatly opposed to the Democratic bill that takes the $18 billion in free money away from Big Oil and gives it to companies developing and selling renewable energy?
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Is tomorrow’s MTP a ”clusterf*ck” or a ”circle jerk”?
Will the truth be told about Iraq or any other subject in the reality based universe?
There’s a difference? MTP is a circle jerk AND a clusterfuck.
I’m gonna go put on Disney’s “Peter Pan” and enjoy it with a lap lump. Min, my precious almost 19-year old, blind, hypertensive and diagnosed with diabetes yesterday, will enjoy a couple hours in dad’s lap. We both need a rest.
PW! I love your incisive analysis after the CHS nurturing thread.
THis is From the LA TImes this morning: White House ties troop levels to Iraqi elections
A couple of OT drive-by comments.
Goeglein has resigned.
There are rumours that HRC will be on The Daily Show this Monday.
The surge is working because al-Sadr has a cease fire going on and just extended it another 6 months. See?
Morning, everyone! Is there still any coffee left?
MrWhy: Yeah, I saw that on CNN this morning. Talk about your late (late late late) Friday news dumps!
How sweet. Enjoy. ;-)
Exactly. But al-Sadr’s undeer extreme pressure to rescind the extension, as his troops are getting hammered by both Sunnis and other Shia groups.
So for all practical purposes the “surge is working” because we are handing over our lunch money to the mean kid not to smack us around and are telling everyone that we kicked his ass into submission. Priceless.
A good question to ask McCain, when he says the surge is working, is “Working for whom?”
{{{{SouthernDragon}}}}
Of course, George Bush’s BFF, the Saudi Royals, are still financing the killings over there. Will the Saudis back off? Nope! With gas approaching $4/gallon, Bush and the Saudis could care less what is happening in Iraq or who is financing who!
Tired of it all.
The 5th surge in Iraq is not working. Just a sham to make Georgie feel better about his illegal occupation of a country that did not attack us or had the means to do so.
Hi PW, thanks.
your title says it all. sadly.
It’s really discouraging how little the powers-that-be know about what they’re doing, especially since it’s so easy to know enough not to make major mistakes. I cite my experience not to toot my horn, but rather to suggest how easy it would have been to avoid the whole mess that is Iraq. In summer 02 I could barely find the country on a map. The first book I read, in July, was The Reckoning—Iraq and the Legacy of Saddam Hussein by Sandra Mackey. That gave me the basics of Sunni, Shia, Kurd, and the simplified history. Mackey’s conclusion was that the country was an artificial creation of three groups that had built-in animosities, but it had been a country for 70 years, too long to break up into component parts. Combine that knowledge with a nodding acquaintence with post-Tito Yugoslavia, and the post-U.S. invasion quagmire was a dead certainty.
But W et al lived in a bubble where U.S. troops would be reduced to 30,000 within months and the Iraqis would be happily coexisting under U.S. puppet Chalabi. It makes my teeth grind every time I think back on it.
My son said that he saw a clip on tv the other night where he was asked how much gas was and he didn’t know; and of George Bush’s astonishment that gas was $3.27 a gallon.
Bushco and Bandar-Saudico caused all of this and are perpetuating this disaster. They are responsible for all of it.
When Dubya had the dumbfounded I hadn’t heard that reaction to the likelihood of $4 gal gas, my inner geiger counter went uh-oh.
Either this guy is even more ignorant about what he’s wroughting–Iraq included–than we thought…
or he’s an even more corrupt b.s. liar that we could have believed humanly possible.
Or both.
Thanks for this post, PW.
WRT Saudis, what are they going to do when oil prices plunge? (Assuming W doesn’t bomb Iran, of course.) Higher prices are in the process of reducing demand & increasing supply. For years, Saudis kept oil prices from going too low, or too high, because the latter have bad medium-term consequences for their oil revenues. Remember the oil glut & plunging prices of the mid-1980s? We’re headed for another one of those. Maybe next year, or perhaps the year after. Slowing U.S. economy will also contribute.
It will be very interesting to see how Saudi support for terrorists works out when their oil revenues diminish. Though I suppose it might not make much difference because terrorists are so cheap.
Prairie Sunshine at 19:
Both possibilities seem limitless to me.
The term “military success,” when applied to a campaign that did not achieve its stated objective, is a euphemism for “failure.” The only thing that the surge has succeeded at it to serve as a fig leaf covering the glaring fact that the United States has been defeated in Iraq. Let’s note that the initial objective, ridding Iraq of their WMD programs, turned out to have already been accomplished by Bill Clinton. The hastily embraced secondary objectives of nation building in Iraq and spreading democracy throughout the Middle East, not only have not been attained but have slipped farther away than they were when U.S. troops arrived. There may be some tertiary objectives, e.g., establishing permanent bases in the Middle East and/or stealing the Iraqi’s oil on which progress is being made, but the attempt to attain those goals is wrecking econommy. Bin Laden and the Iraqi insurgents are doing to us what the conservatives say Reagan did to the Soviet Union, forcing unsustainable military spending.
George Bush has been helping al-Qaida for years now. Hell, even on the morning of 9/11 he said the pilot of the first plane was a bad pilot (citing inexperience I guess *rolling eyes*) knowing full well that the PDB’s that came across his desk said Osama & Gang would be using commercial airliners as missiles.
This explains why Georgie said he hadn’t heard gas would be going up to $4! Oh wait. Just like the morning of 9/11, he knew what was going on and didn’t stop it beforehand, as it was happening, and ever thereafter.
From today’s Juan Cole.
Well, Georgie did say he would go after anyone who harbored or financed the terrorists! Oh boy. I guess his personal friends and party animal partners weren’t included in that statement. Hell, all his buddies are now making Dubai their vacation destiny! They want to be close to the terrorist money they’ve come to love.
Ben Stein stated recently that the price of gas & oil is going up because of the Federal Reserve. The neocons will say anything to make themselves feel better, huh? Wow. I guess hoarding the oil we stole in Iraq isn’t driving up the price of oil/gas at all. Spit.
Second that.
The surge is working for the oil companies, Blackwater and KBR. My nephew leaves for Iraq in July. He has 4 kids.
Let’s have a spit parade today! LOL
That’s awful. I hope that all will be well and that he would come home safely. Thoughts with all of you.
My reaction to the pres not knowing the prediction on gas prices was different. He was just being his usual assholish (new word developed just for Bush) self. He was being confrontational with the reporter. Jeb said georgie’s a ‘hard-ass’. That’s what he was being. Rather than answer the question, he challenged him on his facts.
Jeb’s definition of ‘hard-ass’ is the same as ‘asshole’. It just sounded better.
My nephew in the Air Force got back last December. Not easy when it is family.
She is going to be. Crickey that! Trying for a last ditch grab at the youth vote, as Ickeys gets rejection and defection in a steady stream from his attempt to win via Super Delegates.
A good twosome for Jon Stewart would be HRC and Jennifer Flowers who is actioning off her Bubbuh Bill tapes and has been offered millions already for them.
Today Texas and Ohio are a dead heat. My exceptional math skills tell me that’s not the 65% margin HRC needs to win and Obama gains in the polls every hour. Penn is getting close.
BTW if anyone missed it a 22 year old history major Chelsea Clinton who topped off her history major with a thesis on her dad’s minimal roll in an Ireland peace effort that brought mixed results was hired by McKinsey as a favor. She was asked to leave and told she wouldn’t be promoted. Her dad’s good friend who also contributes substantially to Bush gave her a job at the Hedge fund.
McKinsey does crisis advise management for large enterprise companies–telling them which executives and units to get rid of, and how to restructure. That wasn’t the stuff of a college history major.
When told she had failed at McKenzie, Chelsea started frequenting 2nd on 2nd, the Karioki bar where she often had to be helped/carried to a cab drunk.
Thanks Twain. It will be his first time over there.
Yup, and with the extra added bonus that we’ve tried this with other mean kids and they’re kicking our asses anyway:
I have to clean out a 3rd bedroom. See you later.
ENOUGH Couldn’t you find someone else to trash this morning?
Of course, then there are the Bush Twins who were writing themselves prescriptions for drugs, running naked through the halls of hotels down in South America, talking about sex at the RNC on behalf of their daddy, and then the countless times these little angels stuck their tongue out or gave the finger to the press!
See? Really. No one can beat their record on inappropriate behavior as the child of a president. Seriously…hands down the Bush Twins win it.
Where did you get that information?
I don’t understand why the kids on either side need to be brought into this.
There’s plenty to criticize on both sides without that.
The thread is on Iraq where the Congress has done nothing to stop the fiasco. Hmmm what’s going on in Iraq…
Iraq Casualties Rise Again After Qaeda Bombs
1)Civilian deaths rose 36% in Feb. from bombs as the cluck cluck mush heads MSM and MSTV and ‘Pubs say the surge is working strongly. It is working… to kill more Americans and more Iraqis.
2) Political progress is going nowhere.
Heralded New Law Is Vetoed by Iraq’s Presidency Council
3) The Mahdi army is gearing up after hiding for months.
Bush twins? BobbyG is on their case in the UK Guardian, LOL.
Scroll down, last letter.
Those who Ultralounge also serve, right?
And this has what to do with Chelsea? You won’t answer my question directly because you know that you are wrong wrong wrong to pick on a young woman who had nothing to do with her father’s policies or with her mother running for president. Leave her out of it !
Min, the torty house tigress, and I thank you.
“The contrast between the courageous combat service of your Prince Harry and the pampered lives of our Bush progeny could not be more stark. Sir, I salute you. Party on, Bush twins. At ease.
Bobby Gladd
Las Vegas, Nevada, US”
Bah hahahaha BobbyG! Good one.
I have to agree with those above…we should be keeping the kids out of this. When you look at Prince Harry, however, he is a far cry from the kids of American presidents. That said, the footage I saw of him on the “battlefield” didn’t appear like he was really fighting. It just showed him shooting a machine gun. Is he really on the frontlines or is he in an area that is relatively safe and this video was sent out to dupe us? Not sure, but I suppose it doesn’t matter anyways since the Bush kids are scattered all over the planet to avoid service. *smacking my hand quickly over my mouth* Ooopsie.
See what happens when a Democrat actually fights against the Iraq Occupation, as Obama has. This one comment has raised the Occuopation issue and shows Kommander Guy is nuts. But almost everything he said at his press confrerence shows Kommmander Guy is crazier than John McCain.
“Interesting” means Kommander/Decider does not understand the issue. “Al Qaeda” (which is controlled by Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and the Carlyle Group) is a very minor part of the “insurgency”. The chaos and disorder and looting and stealing their oil, is a deliberate neo-con strategy of Cheney, Wolfowitz, Zelikow, etc. Of course, there is that most scary monster of all, THE CALIPHATE!
I must point out to Bush Dog Nancy Pelosi, that once again Crazy Kommander Guy is amused with Iraq. He laughs with his jackal cackle, when talking about “al Qaeda Base”. Is his laugh a “Tell”, indicating deception?
You got it. I’m not a fan of the Clintons, but by god they were much better stewards of our country than the Bushes have been.
Chelsea spent much of her father’s second term touring Asia with her mother and with her father, particularly India, as a sort of ambassador without portfolio. Since she’s a vegan, the Hindus took to her and her calm, dignified manner while on these tours made a lot of fans for her father and the US as a whole. She’s still very popular there in her new, unexpected role as glamour girl.
My brother-in-law leaves for tour #2 in about a month. He may or may not be here for the birth of their 2nd child.
Thinking back to that statement that he thought it was just a bad pilot…A friggin plane rammed into the WTC which was on fire, and all he could say was a flippant remark about a bad pilot…can anyone fathom that kind of insanity?
MIHOP or LIHOP…take your pick.
Frank33, The Decider does appear to be enjoying his own genocide in Iraq, huh? Wow. What a madman he is. *shaking head*
Poor Min! Poor Min’s human servant!
So sorry about Min…:(
Where did I get which particular piece of information. Delighted to respond if you can be specific
The fact that Chelsea was told in an up and out policy she would not be promoted?
The fact that Flowers is auctioning off tapes that confirm a sexual relationship with Flowers and a colorful one?
The fact that Chelsea had to be helped from bars in NYC drunk around the time that McKinsey gave her the heave-ho?
The fact that Chelsea was a 22 year old kid with a history major and a year at Oxford writing a thesis basically culled from the policy papers her daddy’s administration pros generated while partying and drinking a lot at night with Madonna, Gwinneth Paul McCarntney and the then friendly heather, Kevin Spacey, when McKenzie hired her.
The factual account of what McKenzie and company executives who are considerably older than a 22 year old out of a history major who also have considerable industry consulting experience and an MBA at a minimum do?
The fact that any guy that Chelsea has associated with has had daddy’s money in the millions and she lives in her boyfriend’s$3.5 million apartment?
The fact that she never has to worry about health insurance and wouldn’t have a clue what health issues and struggles are? I’d be delighted to go one one one with Hillary or Chelsea based on my experience for years in health care and theres. Could you please set this up? In prime time? I’d love to knock holes in her ridiculously vague health care plan and her 15 million figure that has no medical basis in fact.
I love documenting my statements and I love it when I’m held to a standard no one else is to footnote and document any post I make.
Which particular point do you want drilling on?
And when I focused on Chelsea’s work experience and qualifications yesterday, I had not started the conversation on Chesea on the thread. Many other commentors had talked about whether whe was fair game for criticism.
Of course she is. And by the way she is speaking at selected spots after a staff carefully prepares her talking points. When she answers questions she looks terrible.
She absurdly then refuses to talk to the press because she is more afraid of questions from people who are paid to know the issues. She won’t even talk to a 9 year old from Scholastic press. LOL!
LS, how was the gig last night?
If you read the other letters in The Guardian you find that most of the Brits are not amused, they see his combat tenure as dilettantism. The UK anti war sentiment is very high.
Yeah, the Bu’ush progeny are not responsible for the Dad’s clusterfuck policies, blah, blah, blah. Point taken. Still, their Dad says “it’s worth it” — but only, it would seem, for the children of others.
As far as I can tell, that morning Bush burned his own house down for the insurance money, meaning, he knew that morning his house was going to burn because he was going to be lighting the match (letting the 9/11 attack happen). He drove away from his house as the flames got good and hot (hid in a bunker for hours) and then called the fire department (he told the nation later that day al-Qaida/Osama did it) and when he got his insurance money (when he successfully lied our nation into an illegal occupation to capture and hoard Iraq’s oil to keep them from nationalizing it), he’s been a happy criminal ever since. See?
When one wants to burn their house down for the insurnce money, they have to cover their tracks. And they have!
““If
al Qaedathe US is securing aal QaedaUS base — yes, well, that’s exactly whatthey’vewe’ve been trying to do for the past four years,” Bush said.“That’s their statedThe intention, was to create enough chaos and disorder to establish a base from which to either launch attacks or spreada caliphateour agenda.”Funny how his comments are so easy to see through.
And this has what to do with Chelsea? You won’t answer my question directly because you know that you are wrong wrong wrong to pick on a young woman who had nothing to do with her father’s policies or with her mother running for president. Leave her out of it !
Twain–let’s have a reality check for you.
1) I have more going on than answering your questions right now as prior #1.
2) I’m on call this morning.
3) I posted on Iraq @40 because that was the subject of this thread. I post when I have time.
4) If I can find a question you have, when I get a chance, I’ll answer it.
Hows that. I never duck questions on material covered at FDL. I am enjoying the systematic elmination of HRC from this race every hour and every day.
If you have a question or questions, put them up and I’ll respond when I can get to them. I welcome them. How’s that.
If you acuse me of avoiding questions from you, you are mistaken but you’ll have to excuse me if I don’t see answering them as priority over the phone when it rings or other things I have to do.
Projection has been the finest tool of the Rs, esp W, Shooter. Accusing them of what we are doing. Almost every statement they make can be reversed in that way.
Fantastic. It is a revival of the band Fever Tree from the 60’s with the original singer, Dennis Keller, whose voice is mindboggling….the band is just magical. This is their second gig as Fever Tree Rising, last week was Houston…
Why don’t we start with this:
I didn’t see what you wrote yesterday. Just seemed like this blast came out of nowhere.
LS, this is why Bush keeps saying Iraq is the Central Front in the waronterra. He and the Regime are using it as their base to attack other countries from and to control the Middle East, because as we all know whoever controls the oil controls the planet. The chaos they’ve allowed to happen is helping. No different than one person on one side of the store making a commotion as their friend on the other side of the store robs the place blind.
Gawd I despise these assholes.
Pete, don’t be so quick to lean on the Gennifer Flowers tapes. The evidence is pretty damned strong that they’re David Bossie cut-and-pastes.
More on David Bossie here: http://www.sourcewatch.org/ind….._N._Bossie
And here: http://mediamatters.org/items/200608300007
And here: http://mediamatters.org/items/200706110005
And here: http://www.seanet.com/~billr/bloop98b.htm
Someone should take a collection of all of the speeches, etc., and show how they do it. I’ve noticed it for years.
Creeepy.
If you don’t expect people to reply to your comments why put them up? Loo Hoo asked where you got your information and I asked why you decided to take on Chelsea. Reasonable questions. Don’t throw flames if you don’t have the water to put the fire out.
That did it. I voted for Obama, but I’m going to erase that by caucusing for Clinton. It won’t change things but I’ll feel like if struck against Richard Mellon Scaife, Rush Limbaugh, and a host of other gutter rats.
Chelsea/Jeb Unity 2012!!!111
Yes, a “Hugh” of the projection-list.
I agree.
Pete, this is getting silly. You’re spending more time talking about how you don’t have time to put up links than it would take you to put up the links.
According to a new NPR poll, although over 60% of the population believes the Iraq war was a mistke, 48% believe we need to stay because the surge is working and another 48% think we need to get out. Suprising.
This is so sad
A tragedy that encompasses so much, from the mechanic in Vicksburg to the street vendor in Fallujah, and all of us, the economy, the tearing apart of our democracy. Doublespeak signifying death by men with no stake in the outcome but obscene wealth and power, there are no more words to express my revulsion.
“So why are Bush and his Republican colleagues in Congress so flatly opposed to the Democratic bill that takes the $18 billion in free money away from Big Oil and gives it to companies developing and selling renewable energy?”
Same reason the SCOTUS is going to rule in Exxon’s favor in a couple of months-protecting profits of big oil while they can still be protected. We (and they) all know reserves will diminish significantly within our lifetimes, so the oilmen in power know their wealth and power won’t last much longer.
As long as Bush and the Republics keeps insisting the economy’s not broken, they’ll keep holding on and hope nobody notices $4/gallon gas-until November. Then it’ll become the Democrats’ problem.
Mission Accomplished!
Whatever, I’m so tired of people saying that they will switch votes to the other candidate because of something a supporter says (notice I said supporter and not surrogate). Can’t wait for this primary to end so that people can start acting like adults again but I may be holding my breath.
I have a troll on my blog for the past 24 hours who is doing the same thing. He keeps telling me that my post I did on Tim Goeglein plagiarizing is full of opinion (which it is but has links of articles in it) and then tells me I have no proof that Obama didn’t plagiarize, but when I post links of the Massachusetts Governor Patrick stating that it’s his words and he told Barack to use them, it doesn’t matter. The troll keeps telling me and my blog suck. LOL
Sometimes it’s no use arguing, but better to let them sink their own boat all on their own. I enjoy it when they do.
Add to that: something that the repugs say
Let’s not forget that the guy who is in critical condition from ricin poisoning that was found in his hotel room was not meant to be a terrorist attack. Nope. He was trying to kill himself with ricin. Okay?
There are no terrorist attacks on America’s soil (not even Anthrax attacks or ricin at the House of Reps!) if the Bush Regime tells us there isn’t. See? I feel safe knowing this.
Going to try the whale counting thing later as the coast is socked in with marine layer and brrrr it’s too cold to be outdoors
THE SURGE IS A SUCCESS FOR WHOM?
The same conservatives who claim that the surge is a success are among the first to claim that Reagan defeated the Soviet Union by bankrupting them, i.e., by forcing unsustainable military expenditures. Al Qaeda makes the same point, though they credit Bin Laden as the one who forced those expenditures: http://www.informationclearing…..le7202.htm
Bizarrely, Bush is unconcerned, e.g., http://www.presstv.ir/detail.a…..id=3510203 :
Ha. Reminds me of one of my one-liners that I haven’t used for years.
Q: What do Ronald Reagan, Pope John Paul II, and OBL have in common?
A: They all take single-handed credit for the defeat of communism.
Let’s take a minute to look for Twain’s questions. Twain was upset because I commented on Iraq and “would not answer his or her questions.” Sorry if I don’t know your gender twain. The only twains I’m familiar with or Mark or twain drivers for scanners during the Vista Beta when ordinary manufacturer drivers wouldn’t work on some devices.
I find the above two questions Twain. Let’s take the first one.
As to what this has to do with Chelsea I was responding to a comment–did you not read it that mentioned that HRC is on Jon Stewart Monday. Chelsea Clinton is HRC’s daughter and more to the point, she is a campaigning surrogate who is making appearances for her mother but refusing to answer a nanosecond of questions by the press. She will not talk to the press and she is now 28 years old–birthday last week. She has giddily responded while at Oxford to many of the London Tabloids telling the Tattler that she was “a big girl” and didn’t have to ask mommy over whether she could model her new ringlets gone hair straightened look.
As to “ENOUGH Couldn’t you find someone else to trash this morning?”
I don’t trash anybody. However there were questions raised on Chelsea’s qualifications or specifically the extreme lack of them for the job where she was told she would not be promoted at McKenzie and then came running to daddy and daddy called an old hedge fund contributor to give her a token job and a gift of a salary. She has no qualifications whatsoever as a history major to make $200 grand from a hedge fund. And tell ya what? When this job fizzles, she won’t ever be hired by a hedge fund or a firm like McKenzie the rest of her life.
You won’t answer my question directly because you know that you are wrong wrong wrong to pick on a young woman who had nothing to do with her father’s policies or with her mother running for president.
Excuse me. She has everything to do with her mother’s now failed run for the Presidency. She is campaigning like hell. I am right right right to discuss her and I started my discussion yesterday in response to several comments before I got there on whether Chelsea was appropriate discussion material. Like Michelle Obama, except in education where Obama exponentially surpasses Chelsea, she is a surrogate out on the campaign trail. She has been flown to 40 plus stops pushing 50 but she is afraid to appear at her alma mater where she picked up her history major that makes her a $200,000 a year hedge fund expert.
Additionally Chelsea was a pre-med at Stanford until she ran into freshman chemistry that included basic qual/quant and she had trouble hacking it. Whether some of the traditional chem courses included in some college’s pre-med curriculum have anything to do with clinical care of patients is a whole other discussion.
If you have any more specific questions about Chelsea or to me about my comments (I didn’t find one in every quote I pasted from you), I’ll be happy to respond to each and every one as I get time.
Do you still wonder why I commented on Iraq in a thread that was headlined on Iraq or was it that I responded to Iraq before I saw your concern about getting questions answered. I did not see your questions, and I still don’t see any I haven’t answered that are specific but I respect any you have and would be happy to respond.
I have two for you. Why did it take until last Tuesday for Clinton to gently admit she made an Iraq mistake instead of overtly saying she screwed up badly. She didn’t say “I made a mistake bad vote” but Russert got her to say she would like to take the vote back. LOL
Question 2: Why are the Super Delegates progressively pealing away from her despite the capapble and costly campaign for them by Harold Ickes (who by the way her husband detests)?
My opinion is that as far as campaign success her vote in Iraq and much more importantly her refusal to acknowledge a mistake has hurt her tremendously and cost her votes.
I have a prediction. When Hillary does not do well enough in Texas and Ohio, she won’t get out of the race on Wednesday as Didi Myers predicts.
Now we know who to blame – it’s the housing developers. Next we can blame the people for buying houses because if they didn’t the sale of tents would up. And the makers of canvas would be making millions. Finally I get it. So glad he pointed this out.
Cut to the chase why don’t you!
Sad G
It’s a success for the cholera epidemic raging in Iraq. More dead Iraqis who have not been taken out of the water supply.
It’s a success for the people who sell coffins to the base at Dover where the exploded troops are delivered.
Bankrupting the US and the world markets is something the Bush/Cheney Neocons have always wanted. Why? Because when the whole world collapses, who would like to become the leaders of it? The Bush family and their friends. Yep, the New World Order where a family or two rules the whole planet and we will be the birds in the nest with our beaks up in the air hoping the Mommas feed us first!
This is why I’ve always believed (without a stitch of evidence I may add) that al-Qaida is just a Bush Family Death Squad used to disrupt world markets to get what they want. Osama has been dead for years, but that hasn’t stopped the Bush Cronies at our CIA from making audios of “him speaking”. If Osama was truly alive, don’t you think he (Osama)would do a live stream of himself on al-Jezeera television?
We’ve been duped by these assholes for a long time. Sad that there is still a percentage of our country who believes every word out of the mouths of these assholes.
Gird your loins hippies,
17 days from now, the 5 Year Anniversary of the Invasion -
there will be lots of talk about the success of the surge – but it’s never too early for pushback – get those LTE’s written, commenting on local media blogs, or howz ’bout a nice lawn sign for the neighbors
By the numbers . . .
5 Years
4,000 US Dead
3 Trillion Dollar$
2 War Criminals
1 Vote !
…Chelsea, she is a surrogate out on the campaign trail. She has been flown to 40 plus stops pushing 50 but she is afraid to appear at her alma mater where she picked up her history major that makes her a $200,000 a year hedge fund expert.
Additionally Chelsea was a pre-med at Stanford until she ran into freshman chemistry that included basic qual/quant and she had trouble hacking it. Whether some of the traditional chem courses included in some college’s pre-med curriculum have anything to do with clinical care of patients is a whole other discussion…
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LOL, that’s some funny shit.
Why can’t you get that it has nothing to do with Chelsea? My kids are not to blame for anything I might have done – I think all 4 of them would resent like hell having to pay for my sins. You can hate Hillary and Bill if you wish (wasted emotion,IMO) but what has Chelsea ever done? She never passed a law, vetoed a bill, sent anyone to war, caused gas prices to go up, etc. She loves her parents and that’s about the size of it.
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I wonder how much of the money for Bush’s presidential library will be from al-Qaida, the Saudi Royals, the bin Ladens, and all the terrorists living in Dubai…American or foreign? Huh. I wonder…
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news…..228-2.html
Q Thank you, sir. Now that you’ve found a location for your presidential library, you’ve got to find the money to build it. Reports indicate that you may be trying to collect as much as $200 million. Is that figure accurate? Do you believe it’s important for the American people to know who is giving that kind of money to their President? Will you disclose the contributions as they come in? And will you place any restriction on who gives money and how much they can give?
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THE PRESIDENT: No, yes, no, yes. (Laughter.) Next question. (Laughter.) I haven’t — phew, man. You obviously haven’t asked a question in a long time. It was like, you know, — one, I haven’t seen the final budget. Two, as Donnie Evans said, who is the chairman of the foundation, we’ll look at the disclosure requirements and make a decision. You know, here’s — there’s a lot of people — or some people; I shouldn’t say “a lot” — some people who like to give and don’t particularly want their names disclosed, whether it be for this foundation or any other foundation. And so we’ll take that into consideration.
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Thirdly — and what was the other?
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Q Any restrictions on who can give? Will you take foreign money for this?
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THE PRESIDENT: Yes, I’ll probably take some foreign money, but don’t know yet, Ken. We just haven’t — we just announced the deal and I, frankly, have been focused elsewhere, like on gasoline prices and, you know, my trip to Africa, and haven’t seen the fundraising strategy yet. So the answer to your question, really, I can’t answer your question well.
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Q Where does the people’s right to know this fit into all that?
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THE PRESIDENT: We’re weighing, taking a look, taking consideration, giving it a serious consideration. Nice try, though.
I had twain driver on MacOS 7 :D
THE SURGE IS A SUCCESS FOR WHOM?
It’s also a success financially for the proprietors of clubs in the surrounding Arab/Islamic countries like Jordan where the millions of refugees that are women have been forced to work as prostitutes because these countries who shirk every possible duty to help Iraqis or their own people living in squalor and poverty.
It’s a success for many Bush cronie companies who operate above the law like Blackwater and many other companies who are rewarded with no-bid contracts. It’s extremely profitable for Cheney’s old company.
Funny how earlier in Bush’s presser he said he didn’t know that gas was going up to $4/gallon, but when he was talking about his presidential library he said he has been focusing on other stuff…like…gasoline prices.
Wow! He’s gone batshit crazy!!!!
It’s true. Chelsea is one of hundreds of thousands of pre-meds whose first introduction with the road to medicine course wise is a chem course or a physics course that dissaudes them.
That has nothing to do with them being fine people who are capable of contributing mightily, nor does that even mean that these courses should be required for med school although the majority of schools still expect good grades in science courses for admission.
KayinMaine, funniest pix of W yet!!
Yup, and they aren’t even subtle about it. They’ve been telling us what they are going to do for years. It is not a conspiracy theory, it is a conspiracy.
Neither have the Bu’ush twins ever fired a shot in anger while in uniform, in an ultralounge or anywhere else.
:)
Yep. I didn’t mean they were confined to Windows. But I never had to look for one until I had problems with an HP scanner on the early Vista builds. HP said I’d never get it to run on Vista and they weren’t going to make a driver for my scanner. I did get it to run with an HP driver, but it doesn’t work all the time unfortunately and sometimes I have to reboot to get it to work to scan or copy.
I was determined to make it work, and all the more glad I did when HP/Vista print team said it was impossible.
lordy, can you imagine them with guns ? The thought of it scares me. :)
i see no purpose whatsoever in this kind of stuff being posted at FDL. i haven’t read any comments past yours but i personally think you would be better off sending it to one of the supermarket tabloids.
Gawker on Chelsea at 2nd on 2nd
Chelsea clubbing with Macca
I’m neither for nor against, I just looked for sources, since PP seemed to be avoiding doing the work himself.
LOL I use that photo a lot. Bushspeaks.com created it and I’m so glad they did!
LS, the biggest conspiracy ever in our history occurred on 9/11, and as you know, the planning of which started in the 1990’s by the members (and those who’ve resigned to spend more time with their families *rolling eyes*) of the PNAC who sat on the sidelines of the Clinton Admin pressuring him to attack Iraq and whoever else they wanted.
I hate their guts. Yes, I know, hate is a strong word, but really, there is no other word to define my hate for them. See? I can’t find another word! LOL
BTW, I’m outa here. Cheers.
Here’s some therapeutic BobbyG podcast music (my latest) to run in bkg while continuing the rhetorical food fight.
Twain–you can’t find any place where I’ve blamed Chelsea for things her mom has done. I am merely pointing out that Chelsea is the product of two parents who believe that money and power has its privileges. Why the hell else would Clinton have pardoned Mark Rich after Rich’s wife gave him $400,000 plus to his library fund.
I don’t for the umpteenth time (I don’t have a sharp enough drill to convince you) hate the Clintons. I do not want Billiary in the White House and my candidate is succeeding mightily at putting them out of contention. Just as Clinton has refused to say she made a mistake with respect to the Iraq vote, the Kyle-Leiberman vote, her vote against the Levin amendment which Levin said she did not even understand according to her statement, or her vote to stall Barak Obama’s ethics initiative–the component on Ear Mark bright light, I predict she will refuse to acknowledge she is not in the primary race even after Obama is in the White House. Clintons never admit they are wrong. Never.
This might relieve the pressure..totally sophomoric in nature with no redeeming value, but fuck it.
http://www.fasthumor.com/images/FUCK.swf
Ice dynamics, cube intergalctic space time continuum potatoes poo
As written by my son Jonah, and penned here.
Makes as much sense as statements made by this administration.
The Brits are trying to force pre-Iraq war documents to be released shortly…they may fail to get released, but I think the public pressure is high, so we’ll see…but in any case they should be very damaging and shed some light…
As far as 9/11 goes…well you know.
Let’s not forget that George Bush cheated his way through college and only managed to pull a C after all that. What does that tell you? It means we currently have a president who hung out with the stupid ones back in college!
Chelsea is a good egg, even if she went to a bar and had some drinks. Starting in 1980, the kids of the republican presidents have been an absolute embarrassment to our nation pretty much. Attacking Chelsea today, even if a good portion of voters are not going to vote for Hillary, is not right. Even the moments where Chelsea appears to be spoiled acting, that is nothing compared to the Bush Twins, the Reagan kids, or all the Bush sibling’s behavior.
I haven’t avoided doing the work.
You think I had a dream and found 2nd on 2nd. I know where it is, but I also had to read or “work” as you call it to find it out. Or you think I was in 2nd on 2nd the nights she was dragged out? Which is it?
I have hundreds of sources for Chelsea’s drinking activity in London and in New York.
I don’t think you can make a case for me not working LOL or sourcing. I probably link sources as much as anyone here.
Or you might think, I guess that I have premonitions when I make statements that just popped into my head? *g*
I asked Loo Hoo to be specific on what he/she meant with the “where did you get that” and I was specific about Loo Hoo being specific.
you’re such an important guy! i’m really not sure why you bother with we of the great unwashed …..
sounds like you’d be a good candidate for linux.
It should be interesting, huh? I’m sure a lot of it we already know. I can’t even imagine what it is we don’t know. Yikes. Another bombshell might put my nerves over the top. LOL
I didn’t realize that Chelsea was running for President of the U.S.
I’m going to blame the raw nerves on the winter weather. Here is hoping that greater patience arrives with warmer weather.
BTW Chelsea is 27, hardly a kid anymore (we’re around the same age) but I personally don’t have any more use for the ‘opportunities’ that her name may have afforded her any more than I do for any info on the Bush twins.
Thanks BobbyG
Music is always the best-fz
Listening ahora
Kay believe me I haven’t forgotten much that is terrible about Bush. Worse than his college career and daddy’s help, and his chickenhawk chickenshit behavior while in uniform and his destroying records (btw Dan Rather has been granted discovery in his suit against CBS and that’s a big deal. Much of the swiftboating bullshit and much of Bush’s service record will become public–hopefully this will happen before November.
Chelsea’s is a spoiled and very arrogant kid. I personally saw her arrogant response when someone’s cell phone went off a few weeks ago. I was in the room.
My comment wasn’t about a 20 something getting sloshed so much as it was that she was seen slosshed more often in NYC around the time that McKenzie gave her the boot because she couldn’t hack the job that she was clearly unqualified to have. McKenzie group is a ruthless company. They hired her purely because of her publicity in the London tabloids to say she worked there before they canned her, and they weren’t about to pay her an exhoribtant salary for no return.
They knew they were going to can her when they hired her. It was about PR.
I’m not attacking Chelsea. I am reporting factually on her lack of qualifications for the two jobs she has been given as a gift. She doesn’t have the qualifications for either–not remotely.
I like history. I liked my course in school. They didn’t qualify me to be a professional in a hedge fund making 200K nor did they qualify me to give high level advice that the McKenzie group gives to Fortune 500s. You can’t give that kind of advice on the basis of a history major when you’re a 22 year old kid and I don’t think anyone can’t understand this.
Her responses at these appearances for her mom are arrogant and superficial when her mother is criticized on Iraq where Chelsea has no intention of enlisting and her mother has no intention of going unless she is in the Green Zone with 150 choppers overhead and snipers surrounding HRC in Iraq.
I also don’t believe HRC plans to be a waitress as she posed the other night but that her ego structure got great satisfaction in knowing her privileged moneyed life will spare her the hardships of those waitresses.
Chelsea is probably a much better person than either Bush twin, but she shares the same sense of entitlement and neither of the three really work for a living in a job they earned getting or do the work for the salary that they are paid.
All three love the bar scene.
Oh my heavens a girl in her twenties getting drunk! In a bar! I mean none of us have ever done that.
Now you’ve got me all worried. Can This Democracy Be Saved?
It is a well known fact that twenty somethings drinking are as much of a threat to this country as not giving immunity to Telcos and Comcos.
And btw eg I was making the point that she drank frequently in the bars of NY when the McKenzie group canned her. I could care less if she averages 10 fifths a day before breakfast. My point was she was a 22 year old history major. That doesn’t qualify her for the jobs she got and I’ll bet not for yours.
What in the world democracy/Constitution is left to be saved?
Let’s see what I can stir up with another OT timbit.
WikiLeaks is outta the dog house
Well, that’s why we’re here, we still think it’s possible to save the country. Gotta dream big.
Don’t know about consulting firms, but investment banks often hire liberal arts majors from good schools.
OT: good vid on TRNN Micheal Ratner on President Bush’s latest press conference
Who give a S**h. None of them are asking to run the country. When we have a president who’s thumbed his nose at the founding document of this country and bankrupted the treasury and killed millions, your arguments about Chelsea are so lame and have no relevance to this country’s problems. Get a life. Maybe the folks over at politico would have some fun with this.
PetePierce, are you jealous of Chelsea?
I say “good for her” – she wasn’t working for you so what do you care how qualified she was. By the way, I am a 74 year old mother of 4, grandmother of 4, and I have a degree in business. But because I was a woman the only job I could get was as a secretary because back in those days women didn’t get the better jobs. If someone had offered me a job at 200k to be a master chef or walk their dog, I certainly would have taken it.
yeah! digg this one too
Yes! An interesting, healthy reversal for the district court in San Fran. The site and its spin offs that never went down in other countries–how naive of the Judge and his law clerk who have no jurisdiction in Belgium to think they would have anyway.
I mentioned Chelsea’s job history because I think it goes to the profound dishonesty of the Clinton’s which have been admixed with some of their stellar accomplisments. All three are not honest.
I have profound respect for your experience as a mother of 4, and a grandmother of 4 which is a accomplishment and everyone who knows you should be proud of that.
I have equally profound respect for the weight of your statement that glass celings and terrible foreclosures on women, although now less, were abundant or the norm when you entered the work force, and I’m truly sorry for them.
I fear though that we have a Supreme Court that is not going to be sympathetic to many forces and laws to level the playing field for women, although there was one decent opinion from them in this regard 7-2 last week with of course, Scalia and Thomas dissenting strongly.
Given your experience which counts for a great deal, I understand and agree with everything you just said. But your experience was very different from Chelsea’s sense of entitlement and fulfillment of that entitlement.
that sentence was meant to read a stellar accomplisment
Ahmadinejad does have a point here:
“Iran has no need to intervene in Iraq. It is friendly to all groups in Iraq. Isn’t it ridiculous that those who have deployed 160,000 troops in Iraq accuse us of intervening there?” the Iranian state-run news agency, IRNA, quoted Ahmadinejad as saying.
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Michael Ratner:
Funny, too, how BushCo insisted that Turkey’s Army expeditiously accomplish their goals and get out of Northern Iraq post-haste…
A rather startling state of affairs exists. Reuters coincidentally has this. Chelsea’s $200,000. does not qualify her to be middle class anymore. Just shows how behind the times some folks are. ;-)
I loved the bar scene from 1986 to 1993 and still love to go out with friends and have drinks. Make me a bad person? Nope. Does stealing drugs or illegally writing out prescriptions for drugs? Yep.
Say what you want about Chelsea. Call her spoiled if you want to. All in all, she’s a good person and is a far cry from the tramps we currently have connected to the White House. When did the Twins finally land themselves a job? Last year and how old are they? I’ve been working since I was 15. Anyone who wasn’t working at 15 is spoiled rotten to me (just kidding).
Pete, do you think you’re winning votes for Barack Obama this way?
I swear I’d vote for Hillary just to spite you after these rants this morning, if I still had a vote to cast.
Do you not get that this doesn’t help your candidate (if in fact he is your candidate)?
LOL That sounds more like it! ;-)
It seems to me that a republican would be going after Chelsea like Pete is this morning. I doubt this person represents Obama’s campaign.
To spite you would change your vote? now that doesn’t make any sense to me as it isn’t the candidate making the statements. I’m off to brunch catch you all later.
I’m sure it has never been easy being Chelsea…cut her some slack…and…have a beer.
I think one should be kind to people who suffer from OCD, but not play into their compulsion.
Back in 2003, the Clinton political machine and the DLC decided that a two term Presidency of Howard Dean would derail her own aspirations. The Dino wing of the Party won the day and lost the race. During Bush’s second term, she sided with Lieberman when she could have backed Lamont. She could have embraced Dean, but she chose Carville. She could have offered any one of a number of bones to the base and just didn’t think it was important.
If you don’t think your base is important, you lose.
The Chelsea stuff is kinda pointless, really.
Let me add one more thing before I leave. I don’t agree or care about the ins and outs of Chelsea Clinton’s life (not because I’m evil but there are other more pressing things in the world) but it has unfortunately been par for the course on BOTH sides during this primary (that is any family member that is campaigning has been a target).
Maybe we just have to adopt the whole, if-you-don’t-have-something-nice-to-say-about-someone-don’t-say-anything-at-all thing.
Jane and Howie are upstairs with candidate Jim Neal, D-N.C. who is running for the Senate against Elizabeth Dole.
Actually, the only orders entered were ex parte orders and an agreed order by stipulation with the cowards at Dynadot, the ISP. When the hearing was held, the Judge stated that the extent of the orders was unjustified. In fact, he said there were serious questions about his ability to fashion any relief for the plaintiff bank, even if it could find a defendant, and even if it was itself entitled to any relief. Link.
The best line of the case was from Daniel Matthews’ brief. Matthews is a Stanford grad student interested in the Wikileaks project. He was the author of a piece on the release of a leaked study of the corruption of Daniel Arap Moi, the former president of Kenya. He also ran a facebook page to discuss Wikileaks, and was listed as an officer of the facebook group, so the idiot lawyers for Bank Julius Baer served him. This is from his brief:
(((((((((TeddySanFran)))))))))) you said it oh so much civilly than moi.
back to the topic of the post…
the current fuckwad strategery:
it’s simply to not pull out before february ‘09.
then it will all be the fault of the new president. Bush will have maintained his resolve. the new president, and the administration of that president will be HEAPED with blame for whatever happens. this will be true even if Mcstain becomes president, only it won’t be quite so vitriolic as if Obama or Hillary become president.
this i seriously believe.
You know, Pete, I’m in Ohio. I vote Tuesday.
Thanks for helping me make up my mind.
There is no way that the next president can be blamed for what Bushco has done. No way. They are just going to have to try to put Humpty Dumpty back together again, but Bushco will eternally be known as the culprits.
Isn’t it interesting that Turkey was able to pull out thousands of it’s troop without batting an eyelash or retaliation from the Kurds? I think so. Seems to me we could easily pull our troops out…at least to Kuwait…and then home…without much recourse. It would be no different than Russia invading, attacking, and taking over America. If they left, we’d kindly step aside to let them go.
Notice how we ignored Benazir Bhutto when she said Osama bin Laden was dead years ago. That has been completely hushed. First the CIA had him living in caves for years riding on horseback with a kidney dialysis machine attached to him. So we dropped tons of ordinance in the mountains and nearly got him. Then the CIA and special forces said he was serious wounded from our attackes but, alas, he got away, on horseback, again. The guy has allah following him around with a leagion of guardian angels so he will live forever. Forever young. Why, he’s picture perfect.
When did you steal drugs or write illegal Rx’s?
People who opposethe Clintons are not all Republicans. The candidate running for President is Obama. If you were inferring I’m Republican, LOL you don’t read many of my posts here or at EW and that’s fine with me.
I’ve said many times I voted for Obama in the primary and I’ll vote for him in the general on the day the polls open early.
I’m going to say for the fifth time Kay, I was not making the point about Chelsea’s drinking, and I don’t care if she replaces her entire blood volume with liquor. I simply remarked that when McKenzie booted her, she was seen in many NYC bars and some of the times she could hardly stand up and had to be helped out to a cab.
I don’t go to FDL to preach about drinking. You missed the point. I was underscoring the fundamental dishonesty of the Clintons, the hypocrisy of any of them having experienced the hardships they claim they experienced that makes them empathetic to any of the people who don’t command $100,000 speeches or get $31.5 million donations for a deal they made in Kazakisthan for a miner.
As for the Bush twins, I have made several posts critical of them at FDL over the months, and if you are asking me to defend the Bush twins, you might as well ask J-Lo to perform surgery. Surely you didn’t confuse me with someone who is dumb enough to defend Bush did you or his twins? Just because the Bush twins are far from exemplary doesn’t change the two jobs Chelsea held in NYC and her lack of qualifications for them period. Pointing it out doesn’t make me a Bush supporter or a Republican. And if you look at any of my posts here or at EW you can’t possibly come to that conclusion. I am highly critical of just about everything that poorly informed hypocritical Republicans stand for in nearly any post on them.
I loved the bar scene from 1986 to 1993 and still love to go out with friends and have drinks.
Congratulations. Why are you telling me this? I have never heard of this. Loving the bar scene and going out for drinks? Maybe I can use the google to see what that is.
My criticism of the Clintons have to do with the hypocrisy of Chelsea Clinton going to campuses to talk about how her mother wants to help them with their economic problems when she has taken two jobs (one she was dismissed from) that’s 1/2 from people who earned them with the experience appropriate to them.
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In response to fahrender @ 145
There is no way that the next president can be blamed for what Bushco has done. No way. They are just going to have to try to put Humpty Dumpty back together again, but Bushco will eternally be known as the culprits.
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we know the truth but, the Mighty Wurlitzer will be rattling the walls to convince the lie they’ve been living since January 2001. the next president will be blamed for anything that happens after taking office NO MATTER WHAT pre-existing conditions may have contributed to ensuing problems. the next president will be blamed for pulling out and a resulting civil war (which has been inevitable from the start). the next president will be blamed for not pulling out by the American people and then ridiculed by the Republicans or, enabled by Republicans if no pullout is forthcoming.
The “funniest” part is Bhutto went on television right before she was assassinated and named the people who killed Osama. Ooopsie! This is why every time Americans get close to the truth, the Bush Regime will divert our attention away using anything they can muster up.
Tired of them and their lies, deceits, and propaganda. Our kids and the Iraqis are dying in Iraq because of it.
gee, Pete, we’ve gotten back on the topic you hijacked. maybe you could go upstairs and make it a twofer?
Yep. You’re a republican. This comment to me proves it. Why? You spun the stealing drugs/writing bad presciptions back onto me and then said your whole original comment on this thread was not about Chelsea drinking, but yet IT WAS YOU WHO FUCKING MENTIONED IT WITHOUT PROOF IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I’m done with you. My patience just curled up and blew away.
Your chance to vote for HRC is long past Teddy. She really only has 2.5 days left to campaign.
That leaves you O’bama or McCain or Nader (potentially). Let me know if you vote for McCain.
I’m not commenting to “help my candidate” here. My candidate wins with or without people at FDL/EW. I was commenting to clarify some misconceptions, and I have long known that any criticism of the Clintons now draws the fashionable and ludicrous charges of misogyny or that someone is Republican. Are people who criticize the Obamas Republicans and then can I assume they will all vote for McCain or Nader?
I don’t use comments to gain votes for Obama or anyone else. Never have; never will.
But he is gaining them exponentially isn’t he? HRC is making certain of that. She has been one of the biggest helps to Obama in gaining the nomination. Chelsea is doing her part as well. And Bill has been a real gift.
George Bush had done ZERO, ZILCHO, NADA in helping the kids of our fucking country, oh but you feel you have an obligation to put all his shit on Chelsea’s shoulders.
You’re not making sense Pete! Give it up please.
i must confess, i hadn’t thought of that ……
occam’s razor no less.
Nope. I don’t hijack threads. I made a small post commenting to someone who remarked they heard a rumor (it’s true) that Clinton was altering her schedule to appear on John Stewart Monday night (which will help Obama).
Many people not at my location with no guns to their head commented of their own free will.
I made a decent, current, relevant contribution to the topic of Iraq but you might have missed it.
Jon Stewart.
Pete has tenacity. he’s unflappable, almost as much as he’s tone deaf …..
modest, too, i might add …..
Pete, fahrender, Kay… ‘ere!
;~P
I’m really starting to have a hard time with tone-deaf people. LOL I don’t usually discriminate like that either. ;-)
What did I mention without proof? What do you want/need proof of?
I don’t know where the drug thing came from or is in reference to. Rush Limbaugh’s paying Roy Black over a million to get him an extraordinary deal? Jeb’s daughter who forged Rx’s? Did the Bush twins do this?
I’m all for your enjoying your fantasies and if one of them is that I’m Republican rock on.
People who do know me would get quite a kick out of that however. They’d wonder what I’m doing with the Obama signs and stickers. I have converted several Republicans to voting for Obama in the general though (whose primaries are over) and some in the primary as well.
I don’t understand what you are asking for proof of Kay. You want me to footnote everything that I say? You perhaps wanted to see a BAC/or gastric aspirates from December 2006 trips to bars on Chelsea? You wanted proof that she was a 22 year old history major who was given a $120,000 job at the British Company McKenzie Group’s NYC offices and then was told to leave after they maximized their publicity and then ran to her daddy who got her a hedge fund job for which she qualified as a college history major and oh yeah using her Dad’s policy papers prepared by people paid by you and me to turn in somethnig that she called a master’s thesis?
Pete, time to stop digging.
we all have our pecadillos ………
it’s become an endurance contest, or maybe a quest for Guinness….?
I know you’re in Ohio Margot? You asked me the other day if I was there and I told you I had lived there for 2 years while training and the people were great.
Please give us a blog for what your experience is when you go to the polls Tuesday and enjoy yourself. There will be a lot of posters to take down Wednesday. I wonder what happens to all of them? Mayb they just stay up and the bumper stickers as well for years.
in which case, i’ve lost interest. ‘bye, you two. i’m off to other chores ……
At the risk of being on topic here, I recall hearing CNN’s Michael Weir report that much of the reduction in sectarian violence in and around Baghdad is the fact that the coalition forces have walled off neighborhoods from each other, preventing free movement in many areas. This does’nt sound like a strategy for successful reconciliation to me. It seems the surge’s main success so far has been to keep people apart and from killing each other.