I'd like to highlight a particularly good nugget from Scott's recent reporting on the Siegelman case:
...Note that Hubbard takes an immediate, intense focus on protecting Karl Rove, as if this were a chess game and Karl Rove were the player’s queen. Of course the accusations against Rove were presented by a Republican operative lawyer, who testified under oath and subject to cross-examination, and who produced boxes of documents to support her testimony. Republican (minority) counsel were present at the deposition, and had plenty of time to ask whatever questions they wished.
Now what was the response of Karl Rove? He issued a flat denial, and then forty-eight hours later took a step back from it. He refused to appear before the House Judiciary Committee and answer questions under oath. He refused to turn over his documents. The White House then announced that millions of his emails had mysteriously disappeared, and that a significant part of the total had been written using servers of the Republican National Committee, as to which the Bush Administration in an act of unprecedented legal bravura, asserted executive privilege. Joshua Green, writing in The Atlantic, previously documented Rove’s extensive involvement in a long series of Alabama G.O.P. campaigns and noted that he had championed tactics just like those which Simpson described.
So which of these accounts is credible, and which is not? Notwithstanding Hubbard’s flare for melodrama, that doesn’t sound like a particularly close or difficult question.
But the most revealing aspect of Hubbard’s statement was his demand that CBS produce its corroborating evidence. That, of course, is what this entire contretemps is about. Karl Rove is desperate to know exactly what evidence Simpson and CBS have before he is compelled to give sworn testimony. Why? Armed with this, he hopes to walk through the minefield ahead of him, lying and avoiding being caught. It’s about that simple.
I absolutely believe that CBS should put its corroborating data on the table. After Karl Rove has given sworn testimony about this affair. (emphasis mine)
Now, where have I seen Karl go on a fishing expedition to find out what folks might have on him before testifying? Oh, that's right....during Fitzgerald's investigation, when Rove and his counsel, Bob Luskin, spun the media into a frenzy all the while pulling every bit of information into the public sphere that they could about what others knew about Karl and what Karl may or may not have done...all without Karl having to rat himself out without first knowing the terrain. Viveka Novak spilling to Luskin outside of the GJ ring a bell for anyone? Luskin finding the Hadley e-mail just after that? Luskin blabbing to any and everyone? Yeah, good times...and the same damned MO.
Emptywheel has much more.
Should be a great discussion with Scott Horton on Monday at 3 pm ET/noon PT. Hope you can make it...
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Yipee. Scott Horton’s one of my heros. Unfortunately I’ll be traveling at the designated hour so won’t be able to share the experience.
Bummer, sorry about the travel time for you — but the chat will be up for you to read later. :) Scott and I had a great discussion over the phone the other day about this case and his reporting on it, and I think folks are really going to enjoy the piece he’s putting together for us for Monday…
Just read about this scam at emptywheels, thanks for picking it up!
If Karl Rove went to jail, I’d probably asphyxiate on my own euphoria. :)
And let’s hope Viveca Novak stays out of it this time.
Gimme a hint & maybe I can think of some Qs in advance.
bingo, if kkrl wants to lie he’s not going to get help from the very information he’s going to lie about
“Karl Rove is desperate to know exactly what evidence
SimpsonFitz andCBSthe DOJ had before he is compelled to give sworn testimony. Why? Armed with this, hehopes to walkwalked through the minefield ahead of him, lying and avoiding being caught. It’s about that simple.”I knew I’d seen this movie before.
Well, he’s going to be talking about more Siegelman information — and in the context of the politicization of DOJ overall. So really, any questions you have on that, feel free to put in this thread and I’ll try and pick them up for Scott to answer on Monday for you.
Is it as cold in NY as it is here in WV today? Brrrr…am making a cuppa hot tea, it’s just a bit on the chilly side here today. Our dachshund is not pleased about her lawn visits this morning.
I’m in UT & it’s warm, even in the mouontains.
It’s funny, because Marcy and I often see the same things at the same time. LOL (Would have had this up earlier had my damned laptop not decided to have the screen die on me — had to rewrite and pull links from scratch on Mr. ReddHedd’s laptop.)
Ahhhhh…more skiing? Good for you!
Gold Bars!
Yes, you’ll note that Mr. Rove is still being represented by Gold Bars Luskin…some relationships are just meant to be, I suppose.
loosely related question - have any of the Dem governors said anything in Siegelman’s defense or publicly questioned the obvious political nature of his prosecution ?
sorry dogs, I’m playing catchup after months of no toobz
actually RobZuber, the appearance of Novak and other gunsels would be a good fieldmark, a confirmation that Christy and Empty have picked up the
stenchscentMornin’ (((Christy !)))
How is the snow? I was in Aspen a couple of weeks ago..this year most snow since ‘83..Then Jackson Hole…they had had 7′ in two weeks..amazing.
cbl — it’s so great to see you! Glad you made it back onto the toobz…
Well, anything new Scott has to say about Mukasey & the changes, if any at the DOJ. IIRC, Scott wrote glowingly about Mukasey when the appointment was announced, claiming to know him personally, and then wrote in great disappointment after Mukasey wouldn’t declare waterboarding is torture. I haven’t seen Scott opine about how Mukasey’s doing in the other aspects of the job. I know he’s made what seem to me like a few half-assed changes to the better. But does the DOJ maintain its fundamental politicized state that Rove masterminded? What, if anything, has Mukasey done about de-appointing R-hack USAs?
Also, Pelosi’s turned over contempt charges to DOJ. Would Scott care to opine on how slow the DOJ will be to claim there’s no case?
Another grand jury investigation of Karl Rove would bring all the firedoglake old timers back together. It would be grand. :)
OT: Karl Rove made a funny:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/.....lieberman/
Alta already surpassed the average annual snowfall about two weeks ago. Might set a record, as a full two months left to measure.
Christy, thanks for starting my Friday with great news.
Monday will be fun.
Rove’s perp walk will be ecstasy!
There he goes, trying to flirt with Jane again… *g*
redundant.
Thanks for the heads-up about First Monday, Christy…what a perfect way to spend part o’my birthday. Ooooh, the chickens… meet the roost.
Ditto, Christy
signed,
wobbly hussein bits
Don’t forget to Digg this article. More visibility will be good.
I’m so goddamn mad our government is so corrupt and dysfunctional, with the Fox guarding the chicken coup and special interests owning Congress. I though about Vigilante prosecution (not being an attorney I didn’t know if such a thing existed), did a Goggle and found “Private Prosecution” an established Common Law, allowing individuals to prosecute for criminal offences. I also found a treatise by Bouldergeist submitted 2.14.08 on DailyKos discussing Private Prosecution: http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....832/456812
You know as well as I, the very depth and breadth of lawlessness of the last seven years will never be fully investigated by Congress, nor prosecuted by the by the DoJ. Because GOP types like Atwater and Rove have so many adherents our republic is doomed to repeat the cycle when a Republican is next elected President.
Christy,would you discuss the idea of Private Prosecution with Scott. I for one am elated at the concept and will commit my time and a little money, if it’s viable.
Anyone have any fun plans for the weekend? I mean, other than the Molly Ivins/Lou Dubose book salon discussion that I’m hosting tomorrow afternoon at 5 pm ET/2 pm PT? *g*
Any analysis which starts with Karl Rove as “queen” is obviously arguing from a reality based perspective. Reality, of course, has its liberal bias; but there is no better analogy for Mr. Rove’s reign than Lewis Carroll’s famous Queen of Hearts. His “off with their heads” mentality was unique in the American political arena. It must almost be accorded a certain amount of respect, actually. I more discerning political mind than mine would be forgiven for thinking that the Rovian mentality should not be able to exist anywhere outside of the realpolitik of the Kremlin.
OT:
Has HRC resorted to a scorched earth policy? AP Article
Looks as if she is considering legal actions in Texas over the Caucus rules.
Or for bringing, wholesale, the realpolitik of the Kremlin within the walls of the WH…given how we’ve taken to parsing photographic proximity of advisors to discern the real scoop on who is up or down with Bushie, just for starters.
Is Private Prosecution akin to Citizens Arrest?
Hi Christy and pups.
Would Monday and Scott Horton be suitable for asking about the mechanism for impeachment of the Federal judge in the Siegelman trial?
Speaking of “Rovian”, Hillary is threatening to throw a very large spanner into the Texas Electoral Process by challenging the Caucus results.
Clinton’s Texas Caucus Challenge
As far as I can see one of the concerns relates to what occurs if there is a massive, unexpected turnout…the members of the caucus can change locations if there are people waiting, but being excluded, outside. The Clinton campaign thinks (or is implying) that this “movement of caucus location” if supported by those IN ATTENDENCE is somehow nefarious? It seems to me that it is inclusive.
The only reason I can see in making an issue of this was if the Clinton campaign intended to pack some caucuses with their supporters and shut others coming in on-time, but after room capacity had been reached, and shutting them out!
The second issue relates to accepting the votes of provisional voters. Her campaign wants to exclude people who are challenged from having a voice, while the current rules allows them to participate. This seems to be something that could be negotiable, with two seperate counts issuedone without and one with provisional votes assigned. If there is no difference in delegate distribution then it really doesn’t matter. But if there is…then the individual votes of the provisional participants can be held in abeyance until their credentials are checked. This is actually far easier to deal with than a “secret vote” since caucus votes are public. Inasmuch as there are only two candidates there should not be the multiple balloting and politicking that would perhaps cause problems in this case.
Of course, by allowing only REGISTERED Democratic voters to participate, and challenging and excluding more recent registrants this might help Clinton.
Third the Clinton campaign is making a brouhaha about reporting from the caucuses. What if someone reports “erroneous results”? The reality is that any such case of this will not influence any other elections…and will be corrected when the correct and authentic report comes in. Thus the concern is insubstantial. Caucus results are probably much less likely to be faked, since everyone attending the caucus knows and observes the result…any error in transmitting that result will be spotted almost immediately and challenged.
Ironically, all this may backfire. Clinton supporters may hear that she is challenging the caucuses and decide that if their vote there will not “make a difference” then why show up. Obama supporters may show up en masse simply to prevent Clinton from “stealing” the election.
My partner in crime at the caucus will fly to Egypt on the 5th, she will be very irate. I’ll be mad because I’ll miss the moral support.
btw, the Obama camp has made similar noises according to the local paper. I’ll find the link.
OT: I just watched an interesting video on YouTube. An old cartoon by John Sutherland called “Make Mine Freedom” (1948). I don’t know how to do links (sorry, don’t yell at me) but maybe when you are visiting YouTube sometime you could check it out.
Via Think Progress:
Rove: ‘I only work for Republicans — and Joe Lieberman.’
After a speech in Los Angeles this week, former Bush aide Karl Rove was asked if he knew how to get Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton elected president. Rove, who is currently employed by Fox News, replied: “Yes, and I ain’t telling ya. I only work for Republicans — and Joe Lieberman.” In 2006, Rove also offered President Bush’s assistance to help Lieberman get re-elected to the Senate.
11:32 am
Scott Horton has been my hero since last summer.
One thing, if Rove is properly in jeopardy because of this case then why not fredo? Seems to me Franklin, Canary, and company would do none of this without his expicit order and or approval. Also the revival of the charges came from Washington. Even if he wasn’t the source, He HAD to be in the loop.
I’m sure he’d be a good cellmate for Spanky.
There are a lot of potential remedies to be used before you get to the most drastic step of impeachment. What is coming next if he doesn’t comply, I suspect, is having his ass hauled in front of the 11th circuit in person to explain himself…before a barrage of media in open court. Federal judges don’t like people flipping them the bird, but especially not inferior court judges. *G* But you can certainly ask Scott what he thinks is coming up next with that, too…
Going to point vincente tomorrow for ‘Whale Day’. They do their whale counting from there and are having some sort of open house of sorts to talk about what they do, why it’s important, etc. Mr wobbs and i will walk over from my mom’s house and have a look see.
Other fun activities include making cereals, breads, crackers and assorted other stuff in the dehydrator this weekend.
CHS, on your Ivins/Dubose thread you might want to link to this 1980 photo of her.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/22233394@N05/
I’m heading up to the casino, I met a few coast guard girls who will give me a tour of a “sailing vessel” this ship looks like a combination yankee clipper and battle ship, it’s got sales and power
then off to gamble
Ooooh — a whale count sounds like a lovely way to spend a day on the coast. Enjoy!
Christy @ 10 said: (Would have had this up earlier had my damned laptop not decided to have the screen die on me — had to rewrite and pull links from scratch on Mr. ReddHedd’s laptop.)
I send myself an email with my links before I write postings at my place…started that after I realized one day, oh, hey, wait a minute…all the links are in my work at home on the p.c. and here I am with the laptop at the coffeeshop. Ooops. Sometimes redundancy’s justified.
Oh, I so want that fat, porcine, multi-chinned, ugly piece of worthless DNA to go down, down, down. I’ll settle for absolute disgrace, but a long spell in the pen would feel a lot better.
I love that pix — thanks. :)
sorry OT but has anyone else seen the new will.i.am video? It’s called, We Are The Ones Song by will.i.am and can be seen via YouTube (linked at the title) or at dipdive.com.
So True. I refuse to subscribe to the meme that, “The man is a political genius.” I prefer to think that he was the ultimate opportunist and his own particular lack of morality allowed him to go further and accomplish more than anyone else who might have been slowed by the niceties of conscience or even good taste. That being said, I do think the phenomenon of “Karl Rove,” and just how such a mealy little man could have gotten to a place whereby his pudgy little hands were in almost every aspect of the administration’s machinations…well, I think that will be the subject of many, many books and much speculation for years to come.
There have always been the Machiavellian shadow puppet masters–my conspiracy theorist roots allow me to think nothing else ;-) –but the Karl Rove curiosity is centered (at least for me) that this little demon was able to come out of the shadows and walk in the light and was, for a time, feted as a noble warrior on the political playing field.
OT
A drop dead case of plagarism from a former Rove assistant.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi.....izes_i.php
I’m excited as we are along their migration path but this year Orca pods have moved closer along the coast and the grey whales seem to be migrating down further out along the coast.
Scott, who, sadly, admires McCain, was professional enough to admit that Mukasey and deeply disappointed his expectations. An example much of the GOP would have been well to follow.
It’s amazing how far you can get by exploiting the fact that decent people won’t believe you could possibly be that much of an asshole with public governmental components, isn’t it? At first blush, without repeated exposure, anyway, and then suddenly the truth of your mendacity dawns, and suddenly the quail wing BBQ invitations dry up a bit…
‘drop dead’ and ‘Rove’ in the same sentence….priceless
(rhetorically speaking, of course)
OT-Pertinent
This is a video of a man being beaten and abused in Tampa, Florida. It is the embodiment of the thrust of thinking and the spread of the mind set created by Abu Graib(sp), war, and the locking down of our country, and exhibits the mind set of the policial philosophy that has put Seigelman behind bars for no crime that I can determine.
This stuff doesn’t happen in a vacuum.
We will pay dearly for the trickle down evil perpertated by this administration.
http://www.tampabays10.com/new.....ryid=75098
The only thing that could POSSIBLY come close to the joy seeing that bloated bag of poison Rove doing the perp walk in an orange jumpsuit would be to hear that Rummy was snatched from some posh UUUUBER-rich event overseas and then reappeared in front of the World Court for crimes agaist Humanity…with a rain date set for chimpy and chenny. But I’ll settle for Karl “turdblossom” rove to start thakyouverymuch!!!!
Wow, suddenly it went all dark and cloudy outside…wonder if we are supposed to get more snow today?
Good lord, how hard is it to do a citation or a mention, let alone not lift people’s words wholesale in massive paragraph chunks with no attribution whatsoever? Jeebus…
No response to Private Criminal Prosecutions?
OT..un-f***ing believable:
WaPo
WTF..a few Prions in your kids burger..can’t stand in the way of profits.
I’ve only worked with the ones I did myself while working as a prosecutor. I’ve never seen a private criminal prosecution go forward anywhere, I’m afraid, so I don’t have much of a response to give you on that one.
Christie,
Don’t know where in WV you are but there is a clipper coming across that area toward where I am in Pa due here later this evening. It might be in your area now or soon. It was less than 10 here this morning and my dachshunds were of the same mind as yours. We are covered with snow here which even makes it colder. You could put a coat on your little one but I have 9 so they are on their own.
I can only attribute Karl Rove’s acceptance and sufferance by the Bush administration to the fact that the administration, as a whole, was the most lazy and incurious bunch of knuckleheads to have ever co-opted a political party. Karl Rove stood amongst them as one individual who actually worked–albeit in evil and nefarious ways–and the rest of the assholes were perfectly willing to let him, after all, he did manage to get results. Ultimately, the combination of supreme laziness and allowance for the principle that the end does justify the means…well, that allows for people like Karl Rove to succeed.
Ever wonder why “Sloth” is one of the seven deadlies…!!!???
I agree. Good gracious, how tough is it to do a citation or a mention, let alone not lift people’s words wholesale in massive paragraph chunks with no attribution whatsoever?
:)
Buy locally, buy organic every thing else is fu**ed up with chemicals
Well, I mean honestly — I write here every day and do a link-o-rama in every post precisely because you ought to give credit where it is due on someone else’s work. It’s not exactly difficult to throw in a name or link credit, truly. Of course, I’m not trying to sneak around and copy someone else’s work and pass it off entirely as my own for a conservative op-ed column I’m writing for a fee in a local paper either. *G*
I may have to take a half day off for this, Christy!
Thanks, Pade — it looks like we’re getting hit with something today. Funny how doxies all hate the cold, isn’t it? Ours is burrowed into a blanket that she dragged over in front of a heater vent at the moment. LOL
Another side of my comment at 52. I cannot write here what should be written.
Question for Scott: I understand that the appeals process can’t proceed without a transcript, and even 18 mos after the trial there still is no transcript … because the court stenographer died?? And/or the judge is sitting on the transcript? Can anything be done to force that issue?
I knew you’d love this, Loo Hoo. ;-)
Ed Schafer, former governor of North Dakota [yes, some of us are ashamed, very ashamed], failed fish farmer, sticker of vendors with his bankruptcy debt, heir to the Mr. Bubble fortune [yeah, the irony], local rightwing radio talk show guest host, and all around good guy…oh, and did I mention BFF of Bushie?
He’s the person whose work records NARAL did the FOIA request for in 2004. They knew he was aggressively lobbying against choice in his Government paid capacity.
Surprisingly he isn’t from Regent’s(Ashland).
http://www.mediatransparency.o.....storyID=57
Timothy Goeglein, that is.
Mine are wires but all like to sleep under the covers. They also mostly hate rain. They are very housebroken except when it is pouring out.
I would imagine that fish farming in N.Dak would be somewhat difficult. I have friends in ME that find fish farming borderline profitable I cannot imagine how hard it would be without water. This guy is none too smaht I say.
Excellent-I’m off Monday, so I’ll be here-
Maddy, I live in Tampa, and I am here to tell you, that kind of behavior by the local police here has been SOP for as long as I can remember.
Don’t get arrested in Tampa.
Oooooh — I’ve always wanted a wirehaired one. They are so adorable with their little scottie dog whiskers. We’ve had short-hairs, and our current one is a short-haired black and tan. She’s getting a little old and slow, and we baby her — so no new pooch for us in the near future. Some day, though, maybe a wirehaired doxie. :)
I would imagine that fish farming in N.Dak would be somewhat difficult. I have friends in ME that find fish farming borderline profitable I cannot imagine how hard it would be without water. This guy is none too smaht I say.
“I don’t get it. I planted the guppies in rows, just like corn seed, but they didn’t sprout.”
Tail up or tail down?
Note to self: next time I’m driving in FL, take the expressway around the Tampa area altogether…
tails up or tails down?
Belly up?
somebody owes someone a fish-flavored Coke.
We should throw these incompetent evil fucks out of government, every last one of them..Now.
I know, I know calm down, well it be hard to do that for this hombre. Anyone in Bend, Oregon..Friday afternoon protest, corner of Wall and Newport downtown, come by if you are in the area.
RonD
When younger I experienced the beneficence of the Fort Lauderdale police, I am, as they say, hip to to the shit.
I was just pulling your legume
that would be me owing nomolos!
Here ya go, nom!
*hands over fresh popped-open coke*
It ’s just getting more publicity lately. Tampa cops are the reason I assume all cops are corrupt until proven otherwise, or that 95% give the other 5% a bad name…this is one of the reasons I love Suzanne so much. Knowing there are police with her ethics and standards has restored some of my faith in law enforcement.
Alaska Fish Fertilizer maybe?
Thank you, now looking for straw
Another Gag Me OT:
“To break an impasse over legislation overhauling the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, House Democratic leaders are considering the option of taking up a Senate-passed FISA bill in stages, congressional sources said today. Under the plan, the House would vote separately on the first title of the bill, which authorizes surveillance activities, and then on the bill’s second title, which grants retroactive legal immunity to telecommunications companies that aided the Bush administration’s warrantless electronic surveillance activities. The two would be recombined, assuming passage of both titles. In this way, Democratic leaders believe they can give an out to lawmakers opposed to the retroactive immunity provision. Republican leadership sources said their caucus would back such a plan because not only would it give Democratic leaders the out they need, it would provide a political win for the GOP. It remains to be seen if such a move will placate liberal Democrats who adamantly oppose giving in to the Bush administration on the immunity issue.”
oops, here ya go
Am I misunderstanding something? Isn’t it a good thing to have the immunity vote separate?
Steve — Do you have a link for that?
here’s for you nom, and you punaise
drink up
Christy, riddle me this: instead of trusting the Mukasey DoJ to deal with Karl, might it not be better to string this out until we have a Democratic AG?
headlines to love:
my oomph.
Christy, what is a normal timeframe for producing trial transcripts?
IANAL, far from it, but I did work my way through college typing up appellate briefs. I remember that we often waited for trial transcripts to arrive. I also remember that the most common argument we used on appeal was probably, “The trial court prejudicially erred by failing to . . .”
If the judge in this case was or is messing around with the law, I imagine the trial transcripts and hence the appeal could be pretty darn embarassing for him. I guess that’s obvious, though.
Oh…