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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/29/mccains-new-iraq-spin/#comment-1306293</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I would add, as I’ve always emphasized and as Bill Maher pointed out:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Clinton’s qualifications on National Security advertized by her ridiculous commercial that she is up in the early AM dealing with a national security crisis that of course would have Obama drooling in the corner–the debates with McBush will actually be delicious and McBush knows he will get his ass mopped up–come because she was married to a President.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;She’s as qualified as a football player or singer’s groupies are to perform.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add, as I’ve always emphasized and as Bill Maher pointed out:</p>
<p>Clinton’s qualifications on National Security advertized by her ridiculous commercial that she is up in the early AM dealing with a national security crisis that of course would have Obama drooling in the corner–the debates with McBush will actually be delicious and McBush knows he will get his ass mopped up–come because she was married to a President.</p>
<p>She’s as qualified as a football player or singer’s groupies are to perform.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/29/mccains-new-iraq-spin/#comment-1306286</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You win Pete.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Chelsea Clinton is evil incarnate spawned by the devil in an unholy union consumated over Vince Fosters rotting corpse.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How could I have been so blind. Thank you for showing me the light.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I thought it was appropriate to dig and find that Chelsea was told she was going nowhere at McKinsey because it was clear she was way out of her skillset and she was told she would never be promoted and it would be better if she left. That’s why her daddy found her the front job at Avenue Capitol where she is no where near an analyst anymore than Britney is batting cleanup for the Yankees.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Those are your words, and I try not to deal in gossip items like Hillary’s Vince Foster affair, Hillary’s flings with the Arkansas troopers when she was much younger, and the release of the Bill Clinton Jennifer Flowers tapes next week.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But I was assessing whether a then 22 year-old history major who had written a thesis on her dad’s minimal involvement in peace in Ireland–which did not work out peacefully qualified her at all for what McKinsey and Company does or what the hedge fund does and it does not.  I did not say she was evil incarnate; she is simply an arrogant spoiled kid that has never really had to work for a living and couldn’t possibly no a health care problem because all her health care bills are paid for by mommy and daddy or essentially comped for her by the phony facade jobs she is given that are arranged by her dad.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wouldn’t expect to see Chelsea in the work force long.  After straightening the ringlets, she only talks to millionaire scions who are heirs to fortunes at the bars she frequents.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When asked about Iraq, this was her typical answer much criticized on the web:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“My mother made her decision given the information available at the time. I suppose you had clairvoyance.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But Chelsea didn’t rush to go to Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On a campaign stop in Iowa in December, a 9-year-old student reporter for Scholastic News asked Ms. Clinton if she thought her father would make a good “first man.”&lt;br /&gt;
“I’m sorry, I don’t talk to the press, and that applies to you, unfortunately. Even though I think you’re cute,” she told the little girl. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have more and will catch up with you later.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;She didn’t leave McKinsey and company voluntarily.  She was told she was not being promoted–ever–and it was up or out.  She did not distinguish herself, and McKinsey and company employees do what I said in the beginning she has no earthly idea of how to do.  They advise large enterprises on how to restructure, which major executives to keep, and why,  including how to restructure financially.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is stuff that will never be part of her brain.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When she was told she was being hoisted from McKinsey she began drinking showing up at the Karioki bar on 2nd avenue, 2nd on 2nd where she often had to be held up and semi-carried out by friends to a cabl&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Her arrogance was reflected in her answers when her mother was often criticized to her face.  On the Iraq war, Chelsea arrogantly responded:&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You win Pete.</p>
<p>Chelsea Clinton is evil incarnate spawned by the devil in an unholy union consumated over Vince Fosters rotting corpse.</p>
<p>How could I have been so blind. Thank you for showing me the light.</p>
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<p>I thought it was appropriate to dig and find that Chelsea was told she was going nowhere at McKinsey because it was clear she was way out of her skillset and she was told she would never be promoted and it would be better if she left. That’s why her daddy found her the front job at Avenue Capitol where she is no where near an analyst anymore than Britney is batting cleanup for the Yankees.</p>
<p>Those are your words, and I try not to deal in gossip items like Hillary’s Vince Foster affair, Hillary’s flings with the Arkansas troopers when she was much younger, and the release of the Bill Clinton Jennifer Flowers tapes next week.</p>
<p>But I was assessing whether a then 22 year-old history major who had written a thesis on her dad’s minimal involvement in peace in Ireland–which did not work out peacefully qualified her at all for what McKinsey and Company does or what the hedge fund does and it does not.  I did not say she was evil incarnate; she is simply an arrogant spoiled kid that has never really had to work for a living and couldn’t possibly no a health care problem because all her health care bills are paid for by mommy and daddy or essentially comped for her by the phony facade jobs she is given that are arranged by her dad.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t expect to see Chelsea in the work force long.  After straightening the ringlets, she only talks to millionaire scions who are heirs to fortunes at the bars she frequents.</p>
<p>When asked about Iraq, this was her typical answer much criticized on the web:</p>
<p>“My mother made her decision given the information available at the time. I suppose you had clairvoyance.”</p>
<p>But Chelsea didn’t rush to go to Iraq.</p>
<p>On a campaign stop in Iowa in December, a 9-year-old student reporter for Scholastic News asked Ms. Clinton if she thought her father would make a good “first man.”<br />
“I’m sorry, I don’t talk to the press, and that applies to you, unfortunately. Even though I think you’re cute,” she told the little girl. </p>
<p>I have more and will catch up with you later.  </p>
<p>She didn’t leave McKinsey and company voluntarily.  She was told she was not being promoted–ever–and it was up or out.  She did not distinguish herself, and McKinsey and company employees do what I said in the beginning she has no earthly idea of how to do.  They advise large enterprises on how to restructure, which major executives to keep, and why,  including how to restructure financially.</p>
<p>This is stuff that will never be part of her brain.</p>
<p>When she was told she was being hoisted from McKinsey she began drinking showing up at the Karioki bar on 2nd avenue, 2nd on 2nd where she often had to be held up and semi-carried out by friends to a cabl</p>
<p>Her arrogance was reflected in her answers when her mother was often criticized to her face.  On the Iraq war, Chelsea arrogantly responded:</p>
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		<title>By: Smgumby</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/29/mccains-new-iraq-spin/#comment-1305832</link>
		<dc:creator>Smgumby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 03:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You win Pete.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Chelsea Clinton is evil incarnate spawned by the devil in an unholy union consumated over Vince Fosters rotting corpse.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How could I have been so blind.  Thank you for showing me the light.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You win Pete.</p>
<p>Chelsea Clinton is evil incarnate spawned by the devil in an unholy union consumated over Vince Fosters rotting corpse.</p>
<p>How could I have been so blind.  Thank you for showing me the light.</p>
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		<title>By: amilius</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/29/mccains-new-iraq-spin/#comment-1305085</link>
		<dc:creator>amilius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Tin McMan, with no heart, mumbles while rusted.  Might it be the Wizard of Oz, rove-ingly stole both his heart and, apparently, his brain.  Explains the straw man aspect of the guy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Tin McMan, with no heart, mumbles while rusted.  Might it be the Wizard of Oz, rove-ingly stole both his heart and, apparently, his brain.  Explains the straw man aspect of the guy.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/29/mccains-new-iraq-spin/#comment-1305019</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The woman has a degree in History from Stanford, and a Masters in international relations (i.e. politics) from Oxford. She worked for three years for an international financial and management consulting firm before being hired by Avenue Capital Group as an investment analyst, not a “number cruncher”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I took the quote from upthread. I have not researched Chelsea, but this is dramatically different from how you have described her qualifications.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who is wrong?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Apparently whoever thinks that what you just quoted makes much sense is wrong.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I forgot McKinsey and Company,  but I didn’t forget Stanford/Oxford History and instead of Philosophy which may have been a minor at one of the two places, International Relations.  Her 200K Hedge Fund job at Avenue Capital was provided by Mark Lasry–longtime Clinton friend and huge donor.  Lasry always “hedges” his bets and is a George Bush donor as well.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Take a look at what you just said.  She majored in History at Stanford.  Then she does a year where she spends writing about her dad’s role in Ireland for a master’s thesis.  She is hired for about $120,000 by a company who gives advice to large pharmaceuctical and health care companies.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know a little about those companies having worked in the health care field for years.  Essentially Chelsea was a 22 year old kid who majored in history with another yearwriting a thesis on her dad’s role in Ireland.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you think that’s the kind of person who advises pharmaceutical and large health care companies in any substantive way, you’re dreaming and whoever fed you the quote is dreaming. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Every other new hire for McKenzie was an MBA.  Chelsea had nothing near any training in business.  No one has any idea what she actually did for McKenzie, but I can tell you that what they do is not done by 22 year old kids who are essentially history majors.  History is interesting–granted–I took a few of those courses, but that doesn’t prepare you  for the nuances of big bucks health care consulting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Many many publications have described her job as a “numbers cruncher.” If you prefer investment analyst–I won’t argue with your choice of words and I’m not denigrating that occupation. I’m saying Chelsea isn’t qualified to do it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So essentially Cheslea was a history major who got a $120,000 job with a $10,000 sining bonus alongside every other hire who was an MBA–whose company refuses to discuss what it is she did for them who then went to work for her mom and dad’s friend.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Chelsea, as &lt;em&gt;Gawker&lt;/em&gt; said, gets trotted out anytime the Clinton’s need to look like a family–despite the obvious unfamilial relationship between Hillary and Bill.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The woman has a degree in History from Stanford, and a Masters in international relations (i.e. politics) from Oxford. She worked for three years for an international financial and management consulting firm before being hired by Avenue Capital Group as an investment analyst, not a “number cruncher”.</p>
<p>I took the quote from upthread. I have not researched Chelsea, but this is dramatically different from how you have described her qualifications.</p>
<p>Who is wrong?</p>
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<p>Apparently whoever thinks that what you just quoted makes much sense is wrong.</p>
<p>I forgot McKinsey and Company,  but I didn’t forget Stanford/Oxford History and instead of Philosophy which may have been a minor at one of the two places, International Relations.  Her 200K Hedge Fund job at Avenue Capital was provided by Mark Lasry–longtime Clinton friend and huge donor.  Lasry always “hedges” his bets and is a George Bush donor as well.</p>
<p>Take a look at what you just said.  She majored in History at Stanford.  Then she does a year where she spends writing about her dad’s role in Ireland for a master’s thesis.  She is hired for about $120,000 by a company who gives advice to large pharmaceuctical and health care companies.</p>
<p>I know a little about those companies having worked in the health care field for years.  Essentially Chelsea was a 22 year old kid who majored in history with another yearwriting a thesis on her dad’s role in Ireland.</p>
<p>If you think that’s the kind of person who advises pharmaceutical and large health care companies in any substantive way, you’re dreaming and whoever fed you the quote is dreaming. </p>
<p>Every other new hire for McKenzie was an MBA.  Chelsea had nothing near any training in business.  No one has any idea what she actually did for McKenzie, but I can tell you that what they do is not done by 22 year old kids who are essentially history majors.  History is interesting–granted–I took a few of those courses, but that doesn’t prepare you  for the nuances of big bucks health care consulting.</p>
<p>Many many publications have described her job as a “numbers cruncher.” If you prefer investment analyst–I won’t argue with your choice of words and I’m not denigrating that occupation. I’m saying Chelsea isn’t qualified to do it.</p>
<p>So essentially Cheslea was a history major who got a $120,000 job with a $10,000 sining bonus alongside every other hire who was an MBA–whose company refuses to discuss what it is she did for them who then went to work for her mom and dad’s friend.</p>
<p>Chelsea, as <em>Gawker</em> said, gets trotted out anytime the Clinton’s need to look like a family–despite the obvious unfamilial relationship between Hillary and Bill.</p>
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		<title>By: globalcitizen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/29/mccains-new-iraq-spin/#comment-1304880</link>
		<dc:creator>globalcitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Exactly right. We cannot repeat this often enough. Even some of the worst that he does not activelyhelp to plan, he utterly depends on and he knows it. Witness his happy acceptance of Hagee and his backtracking on every one of his signature ‘maverick’ positions (even his opposition to torture).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly right. We cannot repeat this often enough. Even some of the worst that he does not activelyhelp to plan, he utterly depends on and he knows it. Witness his happy acceptance of Hagee and his backtracking on every one of his signature ‘maverick’ positions (even his opposition to torture).</p>
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		<title>By: nonplussed</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/29/mccains-new-iraq-spin/#comment-1304865</link>
		<dc:creator>nonplussed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Many of us take particular offense at those who talk in brave terms while sending the children of others into combat. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As the troops said about General George Patton, “Our blood and his guts.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Many of us take particular offense at those who talk in brave terms while sending the children of others into combat. </p>
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<p>As the troops said about General George Patton, “Our blood and his guts.”</p>
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		<title>By: Crosstimbers</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/29/mccains-new-iraq-spin/#comment-1304857</link>
		<dc:creator>Crosstimbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hopefully, BT will answer.  All of the papers I’ve read indicate that the early turnout in every county is at least twice what it has been in any past election.  Additionally, somewhere around 65 percent of the early voters are voting in the Democratic primary, which is a far greater percentage than any other recent primary.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, it is generally believed that many of the early voters in the Democratic primary are Republicans.  There are various interpretations on why they are crossing over;i.e., they actually favor a Democratic candidate; they want to ensure the least favored Democrat can’t possibly become President; or they want to ensure that the most beatable Democratic candidate is nominated.  I personally can’t believe Texas would vote Democratic in the general election and believe it is due to a combination of the latter two reasons.  I hope I’m wrong.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully, BT will answer.  All of the papers I’ve read indicate that the early turnout in every county is at least twice what it has been in any past election.  Additionally, somewhere around 65 percent of the early voters are voting in the Democratic primary, which is a far greater percentage than any other recent primary.</p>
<p>However, it is generally believed that many of the early voters in the Democratic primary are Republicans.  There are various interpretations on why they are crossing over;i.e., they actually favor a Democratic candidate; they want to ensure the least favored Democrat can’t possibly become President; or they want to ensure that the most beatable Democratic candidate is nominated.  I personally can’t believe Texas would vote Democratic in the general election and believe it is due to a combination of the latter two reasons.  I hope I’m wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Crosstimbers</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/29/mccains-new-iraq-spin/#comment-1304850</link>
		<dc:creator>Crosstimbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, I’ve fully agreed with your comments regarding caution.  We’ve only won three presidential elections since 1968 and both were by moderate to conservative southern Democrats.  I have high hopes, but think we will be foolish be doing end zone dances while on the 45 yard line.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I’ve fully agreed with your comments regarding caution.  We’ve only won three presidential elections since 1968 and both were by moderate to conservative southern Democrats.  I have high hopes, but think we will be foolish be doing end zone dances while on the 45 yard line.</p>
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		<title>By: Mauimom</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/29/mccains-new-iraq-spin/#comment-1304834</link>
		<dc:creator>Mauimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BlueTexan, can you give us a run-down of what’s going on there re Tuesday’s primary?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BlueTexan, can you give us a run-down of what’s going on there re Tuesday’s primary?</p>
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