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	<title>Comments on: Where Oh Where Are the McCain Haters?</title>
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		<title>By: odanu</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/where-oh-where-are-the-mccain-haters/#comment-1305023</link>
		<dc:creator>odanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wonder how much of the “pass” McCain gets is simply the low expectations of the electorate with regard to Republican candidates?  Certainly racism in Obama’s case and sexism in Clinton’s case play a role in the virulent hatred olympics.  A large role.  American’s however, have been slowly boiling in a pot of Republican nastiness for the last eight years.  Hangin’ with the white supremicists and lbbyists just feels like “more of the same”.  The expectations of Obama and Clinton are higher, in part because they are both running on change, in one form or another, and in part because they are running as “representatives of their cohort”, rather than as rich white guys.  Something to ponder.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how much of the “pass” McCain gets is simply the low expectations of the electorate with regard to Republican candidates?  Certainly racism in Obama’s case and sexism in Clinton’s case play a role in the virulent hatred olympics.  A large role.  American’s however, have been slowly boiling in a pot of Republican nastiness for the last eight years.  Hangin’ with the white supremicists and lbbyists just feels like “more of the same”.  The expectations of Obama and Clinton are higher, in part because they are both running on change, in one form or another, and in part because they are running as “representatives of their cohort”, rather than as rich white guys.  Something to ponder.</p>
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		<title>By: brendanx</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/where-oh-where-are-the-mccain-haters/#comment-1304776</link>
		<dc:creator>brendanx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What, specifically, were the obstacles?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To this Obama voter, there was one obstacle to me voting for her:  her war vote.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Will the pity party mercifully end after she gives her concession speech?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What, specifically, were the obstacles?</p>
<p>To this Obama voter, there was one obstacle to me voting for her:  her war vote.</p>
<p>Will the pity party mercifully end after she gives her concession speech?</p>
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		<title>By: tam1MI</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/where-oh-where-are-the-mccain-haters/#comment-1304744</link>
		<dc:creator>tam1MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I have a sly plan on how a woman can beat the male-favored system for choosing a president. She has to be the VP running mate. He drops dead once in office and she ascends to the grand position. Not much different from Queen Elizabeth I.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To be a pedantic here…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Queen Elizabeth I followed her sister, Mary, onto the throne.  A better example would be someone like Katherine Graham who took over the Washington Post after her husband died and ran it until her own death many years later.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I have a sly plan on how a woman can beat the male-favored system for choosing a president. She has to be the VP running mate. He drops dead once in office and she ascends to the grand position. Not much different from Queen Elizabeth I.</p>
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<p>To be a pedantic here…</p>
<p>Queen Elizabeth I followed her sister, Mary, onto the throne.  A better example would be someone like Katherine Graham who took over the Washington Post after her husband died and ran it until her own death many years later.</p>
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		<title>By: tam1MI</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/where-oh-where-are-the-mccain-haters/#comment-1304736</link>
		<dc:creator>tam1MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The thing that really frosts me is that the narrative is being set up, here and on other blogs, that if Hillary loses, it will be because she’s a woman and those mean men wouldn’t give her a chance, which is complete bullshit. People need to accept the fact that she ran a shitty campaign and work from there.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One can accept the fact that she ran a shitty campaign and still see the obvious and vile misogyny to which Hillary was subjected.  Just to get this implication out of the way, I’m not suggesting Obama engaged in or directed it, but he certainly benefitted from it.  Hillary had to overcome unique obstacles that were placed in her way simply because she was a woman.  She was judged for things that all basically came down to “she’s a woman” (’Shrillery’, anyone?).  A properly run campaign could have overcome much of this, but the fact that her campaign was inept at handling this sort of thing doesn’t negate the fact that it was there.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The thing that really frosts me is that the narrative is being set up, here and on other blogs, that if Hillary loses, it will be because she’s a woman and those mean men wouldn’t give her a chance, which is complete bullshit. People need to accept the fact that she ran a shitty campaign and work from there.</p>
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<p>One can accept the fact that she ran a shitty campaign and still see the obvious and vile misogyny to which Hillary was subjected.  Just to get this implication out of the way, I’m not suggesting Obama engaged in or directed it, but he certainly benefitted from it.  Hillary had to overcome unique obstacles that were placed in her way simply because she was a woman.  She was judged for things that all basically came down to “she’s a woman” (’Shrillery’, anyone?).  A properly run campaign could have overcome much of this, but the fact that her campaign was inept at handling this sort of thing doesn’t negate the fact that it was there.</p>
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		<title>By: brendanx</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/where-oh-where-are-the-mccain-haters/#comment-1304718</link>
		<dc:creator>brendanx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane Hamsher:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“I genuinely thought that the impulse to vilify Clinton and defend Obama was just because people really, really liked him. I have to say, now I’m not so certain.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This bullshit is particularly patronizing; it’s downright Dowdesque.  It’s also — and I hesitate to use this loaded word because of its etymology — hysterical.  Millions of people of both sexes and all ages, races and classes support his candidacy.  It’s not some teen fan club.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane Hamsher:</p>
<p>“I genuinely thought that the impulse to vilify Clinton and defend Obama was just because people really, really liked him. I have to say, now I’m not so certain.”</p>
<p>This bullshit is particularly patronizing; it’s downright Dowdesque.  It’s also — and I hesitate to use this loaded word because of its etymology — hysterical.  Millions of people of both sexes and all ages, races and classes support his candidacy.  It’s not some teen fan club.</p>
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		<title>By: leftdcin72</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/where-oh-where-are-the-mccain-haters/#comment-1304715</link>
		<dc:creator>leftdcin72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane, I appreciate your multi-tasking. But first the nomination without the Clintons and then on to McCain.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, I appreciate your multi-tasking. But first the nomination without the Clintons and then on to McCain.</p>
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		<title>By: brendanx</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/where-oh-where-are-the-mccain-haters/#comment-1304590</link>
		<dc:creator>brendanx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane Hamsher:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is the analogous to the Republican argument that people on the left complain about the Iraq war or the Israeli occupation but never find time to complain about Saddam Hussein or other dictators.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s completely dishonest.  Oh, that poor put-upon woman, Hillary Clinton.  Complaining about misogyny towards her is frivolous — the perception that she was getting unfairly attacked has worked to her advantage as often as not, and its absolutely trivial compared to what Obama is already getting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, and then there’s the war she voted for.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please stop these aggrieved, emotional attacks on your readers for imaginary slights.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane Hamsher:</p>
<p>This is the analogous to the Republican argument that people on the left complain about the Iraq war or the Israeli occupation but never find time to complain about Saddam Hussein or other dictators.</p>
<p>It’s completely dishonest.  Oh, that poor put-upon woman, Hillary Clinton.  Complaining about misogyny towards her is frivolous — the perception that she was getting unfairly attacked has worked to her advantage as often as not, and its absolutely trivial compared to what Obama is already getting.</p>
<p>Oh, and then there’s the war she voted for.  </p>
<p>Please stop these aggrieved, emotional attacks on your readers for imaginary slights.</p>
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		<title>By: jogger</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/where-oh-where-are-the-mccain-haters/#comment-1304547</link>
		<dc:creator>jogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;GOOD MORNING FDL,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Have you seen Hillary’s new ad?!!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;while your children were sleeping last night Hillary got a phone call.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hillary is truly the new Joe Lieberman.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;OBAMA 08!  …now more than ever!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOOD MORNING FDL,</p>
<p>Have you seen Hillary’s new ad?!!!</p>
<p>while your children were sleeping last night Hillary got a phone call.</p>
<p>Hillary is truly the new Joe Lieberman.</p>
<p>OBAMA 08!  …now more than ever!</p>
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		<title>By: 4jkb4ia</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/where-oh-where-are-the-mccain-haters/#comment-1304545</link>
		<dc:creator>4jkb4ia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the emotion McCain arouses in the liberal blogosphere is not hatred but contempt. If bmaz is anything to go on, liberal bloggers think that if we can puncture the myth of McCain and show that he is a hypocrite, that will be the end of him. Some of us don’t even think he is going to make it to the convention. If McCain is simply a hypocrite he cannot be as actively malevolent as Cheney or Rove who tell you exactly what they are going to do. There is only so much hate to go around. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So many of us got into this because we were disgusted with the establishment Dems and their fear of being demonized. &lt;i&gt;Because Hillary Clinton is Hillary Clinton&lt;/i&gt;, because she has already been demonized as far as possible, she could never stick her neck out to be a leader for the things the netroots care for when she was in the Senate. Also Hillary Clinton is relying on those same establishment Dems as well as women to put her over the top. The same netroots who got behind Donna Edwards and Darcy Burner and treated Pelosi as a conquering hero at first don’t hate the idea of female leaders. MSOC’s hatred of a thousand burning suns for Hillary Clinton isn’t woman hating. I think the idea is that any power Hillary Clinton may amass isn’t hers as much as it is that of the Democratic system we all wanted to change. She is the last thing from an insurgent or crashing the gate.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the emotion McCain arouses in the liberal blogosphere is not hatred but contempt. If bmaz is anything to go on, liberal bloggers think that if we can puncture the myth of McCain and show that he is a hypocrite, that will be the end of him. Some of us don’t even think he is going to make it to the convention. If McCain is simply a hypocrite he cannot be as actively malevolent as Cheney or Rove who tell you exactly what they are going to do. There is only so much hate to go around. </p>
<p>So many of us got into this because we were disgusted with the establishment Dems and their fear of being demonized. <i>Because Hillary Clinton is Hillary Clinton</i>, because she has already been demonized as far as possible, she could never stick her neck out to be a leader for the things the netroots care for when she was in the Senate. Also Hillary Clinton is relying on those same establishment Dems as well as women to put her over the top. The same netroots who got behind Donna Edwards and Darcy Burner and treated Pelosi as a conquering hero at first don’t hate the idea of female leaders. MSOC’s hatred of a thousand burning suns for Hillary Clinton isn’t woman hating. I think the idea is that any power Hillary Clinton may amass isn’t hers as much as it is that of the Democratic system we all wanted to change. She is the last thing from an insurgent or crashing the gate.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/where-oh-where-are-the-mccain-haters/#comment-1304415</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;in support of my thesis (betrayal matters)…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;look at the nader thread and other times nader’s name has come up. is the nader hate any less than the hillary clinton hate? i’m not sure, but there’s certainly more hatred of nader expressed here than of mccain.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i’m not saying that misogyny isn’t playing a big role with clinton, but there is other stuff going on too. people are angry and looking for a socially acceptable scapegoat. when that scapegoat is a woman, then the sexist language comes out (even from people who i don’t think are sexist).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in support of my thesis (betrayal matters)…</p>
<p>look at the nader thread and other times nader’s name has come up. is the nader hate any less than the hillary clinton hate? i’m not sure, but there’s certainly more hatred of nader expressed here than of mccain.</p>
<p>i’m not saying that misogyny isn’t playing a big role with clinton, but there is other stuff going on too. people are angry and looking for a socially acceptable scapegoat. when that scapegoat is a woman, then the sexist language comes out (even from people who i don’t think are sexist).</p>
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