I think it’s telling that the Tim Russerts of the world seem far more preoccupied with the supposed extremism of Barack Obama’s pastor than with the very real spread of far-right extremism among supposed mainstream Republicans — reflected, as Glenn Greenwald adroitly suggests, in the embrace of Pastor John Hagee by the pro-war wing of the Republican Party, most notably John McCain, the GOP’s designated presidential nominee.
Just how far out on the fringe is Hagee? He’s so deeply enmeshed in the Apocalypse Now! contingent that even other right-wing xenophobes are calling him out — specifically, Catholic League president Bill Donohue, who earlier today blasted McCain for embracing Hagee’s endorsement (though as we’ll see, we may have the liberal blogosphere to thank for this):
"Senator Obama has repudiated the endorsement of Louis Farrakhan, another bigot. McCain should follow suit and retract his embrace of Hagee," Donohue said.
McCain said he was "very honored" to receive this endorsement and, when asked about some of Hagee’s more twisted views, responded: "all I can tell you is that I am very proud to have Pastor John Hagee’s support."
Hagee, you’ll recall, is the Apocalyptic preacher with high-level connections — which included a keynote appearance before last year’s AIPAC conference — with a fondness for wanting Armageddon to take place in Israel:
Hagee covers much of his eagerness to promote Jews as apocalyptic martyrs with unusually strong preachments regarding the place that Jews enjoy in the holy order of things — at one point, he even taught that Jews enjoyed special dispensation from God that relieved them of the need to believe in Jesus as the Savior in order to reach heaven (though he now disavows such teaching). His purpose in proposing aggressive military action in the Middle East, though, is his belief that it will bring about the End of Days …
Bruce Wilson at Talk2Action and Sarah Posner at Alternet both explored this in some detail awhile back. And the indispensable Max Blumenthal attended last summer’s Christians United for Israel confab featuring Hagee and provided a video report that’s both unsettling and amusing.
But it isn’t just Hagee. Ezra Klein has the goods on how far and widely McCain is spreading the electoral love to various other players in the far religious right. McCain has also campaigned with an anti-gay "Patriot" pastor who has declared among other things, that hate-crimes legislation is a “deceptive ploy of [the] liberal, homosexual agenda"; that we should prosecute adulters as criminals; that Planned Parenthood is comparable to the Nazis; and who addressed a "War on Christians" conference with the admonition: “I came to incite a riot! Man your battle stations! Ready your weapons! Lock and load!”
Donohue, in his interview with Greenwald, is in fact exactly right:
"Hagee is far more powerful than Farrakhan is today. . . . Hagee is a major player. There’s no end to his money. He has an empire down there."
According to Donohue, Hagee has "made a lot of money off bashing the Catholic Church and blames Catholics for the Holocaust."
But let’s also be clear about Bill Donohue: He is not exactly the person to be throwing stones when it comes to bigotry. In fact, he has himself a long history of indulging anti-Semitism in the name of "conservative Catholicism," most notably in his ardent defense of Mel Gibson for his execrable The Passion of the Christ. And let’s not forget Donohue’s ugly role in attacking John Edwards’ campaign bloggers early last year as well. He is himself quite a piece of work.
In fact, as I and others noted at the time, while Donohue was overeager to sniff out supposed anti-Catholic extremism on the left, he was strangely silent on the anti-Catholic bigotry that people like Hagee were spewing.
It seems as though, for once, he actually heard that criticism and acted on it.
Would that Russert and the rest of the Village Idiots could be so inclined.
Related posts:
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- President Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize, Wingnuts Throw Collective Temper Tantrum
- Get a Grip, Wingnuts: John McCain Obsessively Quotes Mao Zedong
- Late Night: It’s The False Equivalencies, Stupid.
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John McCain supports torture by the United States of America.
that photo looks like the rapture to me!
Aloha, David! Excellent Post!
They are idiots because gawd made them that way.
These whack jobs are nothing more than wolves in sheeps clothing…campaigners only see dollar signs, not ideas.
McCan’t needs all the
lifesupport he can get…! *g*Oh! And I thought they were sincere… .
Gojira and Mothra are both more attractive than John McVain… and, they are both better actors.
Oh, John… what happened to you since you were at VA-174? You changed, and not for the better…
When will we stop basing all our political discourse on the premise that my god can beat up your god?
Hagee wouldn’t know shalom if it came up and kissed him on the cheek.
Great post, David!
The US is the most religious western nation and the craziest, most
unhappy herd seen in some time… Hagee is typical of the mythis lost
tribes nonsense much in vogue since the miracle of ‘67. Buy stock in
kool-aid and take a seat.
OK I deserve that! I meant, it doesn’t matter a hill of beans what vile bile comes out of anyone’s mouth anymore…if they have the big money, they’re beautiful.
but you knew that too!
I thought Hagee has been to Jerusalem…! I’m sure somebody did the honors…! ;-)
It is astounding to see the ignorance and insanity of some greedy Americans and how they have manipulated themselves into positions of power — even worse…the Americans who have been manipulated by these thugs. There are some seriously stupid people around, and they vote. Ugh.
Just blows me away every single day.
According to Donohue, Hagee has “made a lot of money off bashing the Catholic Church and blames Catholics for the Holocaust.”
McCain is hanging out with anti Catholic bigots? When is the fair and balanced Pumpkin Head going to ask McCain about that?
When are the Catholic Bishops and Cardinals going to stop going GOP on issues because of abortion a subject JC never talked about.
When will they remember JC mostly talked the DEM line on helping the poor.
All the right-wing nuttery just adds to my confusion about corporate media labeling blogs such as this left-wing.
*g*
But…but…we’re all commie pinkos….
America is nuts. Imagine what those on the outside looking in must think of us?
-G
I hope Jon Stewart picks up on this. Would make for some great video.
“Obama-induced stupor”…biatch on Abrams…
They think America is nuts.
This must be the first time I’ve ever agreed with Bill Donahue on anything.
He’s right about Hagee’s, and others of that type of fundie’s, being anti-Catholcism. Many of the members of Hagee’s Cornerstone Church are former Catholics. I know – too many of them have tried to convert me and get me to go with them to Church.
I’m still amazed Hagee’s turned into such a national figure – he epitomizes the smarmy, oily, making-a-lot-of-money fundie pastor to me.
yeah, and proud of it. And they’re just fucking nuts!
God has a special place for Hagee.
lol, commie!
McCain also had no problem accepting the premise of a questioner who asked “how do we beat the bitch?”
And the reaction of Russert and the Village People?
*crickets*
Not any different than all of the other snake oil salesmen who have come before him.
He thinks it’s God….surprise, surprise…
It’s a very odd feeling, isn’t it?
Don’t worry too much, though. I’m sure it will be quite a while before it happens again.
Rapture already, and leave us alone.
Before Hagee got going on this support-Israel-to-the-hilt thing, his big thing was building his megachurch by persuading his followers that they, too, could get rich.
No kidding; I once worked with a woman on a data-entry temp job — for awhile she played some tapes of Hagee’s (not thru headphones, she hoped to convert us). I expected fundamentalist Bible stories — nope, it was how if you’re Christian enough, and follow his (Hagee’s, not Jesus’s) instructions, you would inevitably become rich, just as you deserve.
It was disgusting. She gave up on the other two of us after a few days.
Speaking of which, Jesse Duplantis, jetted in on his personal jet to fleece the flock… Ironically, it was held in a Buddhist hall…! ;-)
My hope? Hagee and Donohue have reservations to share a table together, for all eternity. It’ll give them plenty of time to get to know one another . . .
OT – Minnesota get some relief from fools:
hanging w/ the sinners is more fun … those in a hurry to leave are welcome to do so …
Is Hagee also the one behind Cornerstone University? *blinks* Because i live a matter of blocks away from it. Granted, it’s blunted somewhat by the presence of Calvin College which is a hop skip and a jump away.
The “real” problem for the Obama campaign.
Obama’s real problem.
Obama’s big problem.
Rove talkers.
I hate the Pukes.
Abrams just smacked down the Puke biatch attacking Obama…heh, heh…she looked all defensive and puzzled…
Mwahahahahahaha!!
Are they getting rich? How in this housing, stock market? Unless they bet that Bush would lose his war for oil and invest in oil companies.
Unless they bet that Bush would not win the war Iraq and bought military stocks that donated to the GOP.
Unless they bet that Bush would destroy the economy and bet against the dollar by investing in gold, Euros or payday loan companies.
Cheri Jacobus….you suck. Biatch.
.
May McCain be their busboy.
lol
Who is that person? Karen Hughes dumb sister?
Not to my knowledge. What city are you in? Hagee’s church does have a Cornerstone School, grammar and high school, right next to the church here in San Antonio.
Here’s an interesting link that gives an overview of Cornerstone and Hagee:
In response to Peterr @ 34
At a cafe serving nothing but the finest in Hallmark beef from downer cows!
Some Eva Braun type…
Maybe it’s a pyramid scheme. Maybe they’re all going out and soliciting contributions to build their own megachurches.
No.
Hagee’s deal is Cornerstone Church in San Antonio TX. Cornerstone University in Grand Rapids is not at all affiliated with him — and would probably bristle at the thought of a connection with Hagee.
FYI -
Another abrams segment on Siegleman (sp?) story coming up.
Ha!!! Amway….Blackwater….
What is that double aggressive thing called again?
Kinda like the political compass where if you test into the top right quad your prone towards dominating groups. It’d be interesting to see how fundy leader test.
He had two of them on…one with brown hair, one with blonde…identical… loud and nasty
Re: my 45 – what happened to my link? I clicked on the little link icon and it appeared in the box, but now it’s gone..
Try again:
http://www.rickross.com/refere…..hers7.html
Mao: Religion is the opiate of the people.
US is sending warships off the coast of Lebanon in order to bring stability into the region.
War, war, war, how do you like it?
*Links to Al Ja*eera
Just saw a commercial with a pizza delivery guy who looked a lot like Sen. Obama might if he had gone down a different path, and the thought popped up: “Wow. What would it feel like with Obama in the Oval Office? What would young people of color see? Not themselves as menial laborers, but as leaders of our nation! What would be unleashed!! How wonderful that would be!!” I may have thought about such a consequence before, but never had a vision of it so clearly.
They both suck. The blond one is the one he really nailed bigtime…she was left blinking in the wind with a “say wha???” look on her face.
Here’s…..
haredcontent/dws/img/10-07/1028hagee.jpg”>Hagee!
I’ve gotten to the point where I hate almost every religion.
Someone say cow?
Syria.
Um, that was actually Mao quoting Karl Marx, who said it first. Lenin mentioned it quite often, too, of course.
If Hagee is ” persuading his followers that they, too, could get rich.” and he is claiming that he speaks for God on this then I suggest we go Old Testament on him and treat him to the fate reserved for False Prophets.
“At this point Elijah proposes a test of the powers of Baal and Yahweh the God of Israel. The people of Israel, 450 prophets of Baal, and 400 prophets of Asherah are summoned to Mount Carmel. Two altars are built, one for Baal and one for Yahweh. Wood is laid on the altars. Two oxen are slaughtered and cut into pieces; the pieces are laid on the wood. Elijah then invites the priests of Baal to pray for fire to light the sacrifice. They pray from morning to noon without success. Elijah ridicules their efforts. They respond by cutting themselves and adding their own blood to the sacrifice. They continue praying until evening without success.
Elijah now orders that the altar of Yahweh, and its sacrifice, be drenched with water (twelve barrels of water). He asks God to accept the sacrifice. Fire falls from the sky, igniting the sacrifice. The people who witness this immediately begin worshiping Yahweh. Elijah seizes the moment and orders the death of the prophets of Baal. This episode ends with the return of rains to Israel, signaling the end of the famine.”
[edit] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elijah
Thanks…D’oh…but it’s kinda true…*g*
You just need to type a word(s), highlight the word(s) and then hit the link button.
Other wise just paste the address.
I’ll never again see a lighted vanity mirror on a sunvisor w/o thinking of Blackwater…
Liberals Read the Bible too! Bwahhaha!
Okay.
Ah. This is in Grand Rapids, MI. There’s a glut of religious private schools here. University and otherwise, but there’s also a lot of normal public colleges and universities in the area too. So it balances out. Very conservative part of michigan in general. If the Shrub visits MI, it’s almost always here in GR. Darth does too. Usually sends me swearing up a storm when traffic gets tied up for their damned motorcades!
We folks out here on the left coast have “religious fanatics in high places” (roaming the floors of the Capitol, not heaven) as well.
There’s a former
stick insect7-foot UCLA basketball-player named Ralph Drollinger who is a chaplain to the Senate Republican caucus in Sacramento who has started calling the Senators and Assembly members who attend another non-evangelical prayer group “unfaithful”, and “opposed by Christ”. He’s called the Jews and Catholics (and gays, and pro-Choice advocates in the legislature even worse. The guy receives a nice $120,000/year salary from some thing called Capitol Ministries, so it looks like he and his bigotry are not going anywhere soon. Hopefully the fact that a dozen Republicans cater to this guy and his un-American ideas becomes more widely known to non-evangelicals in their districts.Actually, if we all can love and respect one another’s, we’d be a lot better(and safer) planet…!
Okay, thanks Peterr! That’s good to know!
that was moderately interesting, and pleasing to see that I almost exactly matched the Dalia Lama, per their analysis. cute …
Lebanon and Syria, they’re adjacent to one another…!
Interesting that both Lenin and Mao have huge religious shrines where their followers can view the bodies of these two saints.
I was there. Drollinger’s long been a vocal Christian, but such a disappointment as a basketball player.
important to distinguish religion from spirituality. and look at the axes of political power and social justice. i’m good for spirituality and social justice, not so fond of religion used to advance power-over
I can love and respect a lot of people, but then you’ve got your Hagees and McCains, Bushes, Cheneys and Roves. Gets tricky, CTuttle.
Try this: Doreen the Downer
And, Engels too…!
that seems to be King Ghidorah vs. Godzilla?
Godzilla is sometimes thought of as the ‘good’ monster, defending planet earth against other “Kaiju”
Donahue vs. Hagee could be represented by say, Mothra vs. King Ghidorah or other combinations from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiju
Thought I’d better check my own sourcing of the “prone” quotation; whew, it was Stokely Carmichael:
http://feminist.org/research/c…..c1964.html
Sounds like Hagee really isn’t a Protestant….isn’t that the “selling of indulgences” just like the Catholic Popes?
Maybe that explains his anethema against the Catholics…they are competing with him for $$$.
They’re pretty widespread. Kinda like a MRSA infection… Capitol Ministries
If this link works, it should be link to a trailer for Godzilla vs Gigan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ_T7GnAmrE
And I think Godzzilla vs Gigan is a good match for Hagee vs Bill Donohue.
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So, if I understand Hagee’s current eschatological thinking right, After armageddon some of the Jews get a choice, either convert or be damned and thrown into the endless and bottomless lake of fire for eternal torment.
Izzat more anti-Semetic than maybe sort of thinking that majority of Israelies are correct that maybe recent Likud policies are not maybe best thing for Israel (see Glenn Greenwald for recent Israeli polls)?
‘nother interesting question for Russert to ask in a future debate.
Rove talkers.
the whore’s whisperers.
Abrahms calling for Siegleman to be released pending his appeal.
Grand Rapids, huh?
I recently learned that an early college boyfriend of mine did go to medical school as planned, but instead of returning to Boston (as I always assumed he had done), he settled in Grand Rapids. Could have knocked me over w/ a feather. He certainly was not conservative…hope he hasn’t become one.
True – it’s often been said that “communism” substituted for religion, and I believe that was the plan of the Soviet revolutionaries.
However, Lenin has been ousted from his glass tomb, I think. Oh, fooey, got to google….was that just a plan that didn’t go through? Excuse me a minute….
Saw a comment that liberals read that Bible thingee too.
Yep sir. So, progressives, the book of Revelations is your friend.
It was probably originally a symbolic religious diatribe against corruption, materialism, avarice selfishness, miitarism, greediness, violence, and brutality of Roman Empire.
But they’ve been arguing about what it really is for almost as long as it has bee written. At least 1800 years worth of puzzlement over it among Christian theologians, preacher-men and such like.
Oh, props! punaise.
Anybody else see the story that Prince Harry of the British royals has been on the front lines in Afghanistan?
Meanwhile, didn’t we hear Princess Jenna of the Bush royals has been on the front lines in Boca?
i took it a while ago and answered everything with my opposing view and end up high in the authoritarian right, lol.
Yeah, it appears to be pressuring Syria in light of the Lebanon president stand off.
I wonder if the shit is getting ready to go down.
Israel may end up heading into Gaza and Hezbollah is still hot over the Muganiyah killing.
Really, just the kind of shit that Pastor Hagee is pounding his pud over.
-G
Fuck Russert. What a tool.
To me he’s just another D.C. media hack that’s traded access for real journalism. He’s had Dick Cheney on Meet the Press twice and let him get away with saying the weapons inspectors were kicked out of Iraq, TWICE! Once in 1998 and more recently just before in the invasion. Never happened but Tim didn’t call him on it
Bush just did an Executive Order the other day freezing Syrian assets and making the “I have determined”…”I have determined”….statements…
He’s gonna do the rest of the Axis of Evil, unless someone stops him.
I saw him play at Helix after Bill Walton had just left! What a let-down! He was the most immobile and uncoordinated big-man I ever saw, but would get lucky on defense by just throwing those big arms up and accidently blocking a shot. But even average High School players who weren’t intimidated could either make simple moves on him from the top of the key, get him to foul or make him carry the ball out-of-bounds.
I think that Wooden scouted him and saw so many fundamental flaws that he thought he could teach Drollinger not to make about half of them and be a decent player. Even Wooden couldn’t get through Drollingers head…that’s saying something!
Maybe W’s theory is have the rapture over there…
AhaHAHA, wish i had flash to make a McCow version like that ;)
My understanding is that people of Haggee’s ilk figuer they are not really anti-Semitic despite their belief that in the end all Jews must convert or be damned. If I remember my reading on obscure heretical Protestant fundamentalist dispensationalist sects and cults history correctly, the Jews do get a special deal. They flubbed their special dispensation back around 30 AD. So they get a second chance to convert after the rest of us are goners and damned to burn burn burn.
See, nothing to complain or pick about there.
How long will I have to wait for a President that, like me, thinks Christians, Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Mormons, Scientologists, etc. are completely wrong about the nature of the universe?
Republicans are now claiming supporters of Obama are a bit like a cult following a calm spiritual leader…that Obama is the “Black Dahlia” Lama.
While we are all flapping our keyboards about the elections…W’s getting ready to go to war. He’s stupid, but not that stupid. He’s gonna create such a huge crisis that he might have to stay on….
Meanwhile, didn’t we hear Princess Jenna of the Bush royals has been on the front lines in Boca?
she’s probably fronting lines on the glass coffee table.
Okay. Let’s say W attacks Syria and Iran. What are we going to do about it????
Why did I respond to my own comment? Probably because it was dumb or something.
But, why not a campaign to put Russert On Notice?
And other Village Idiots too. A public internet score card for debate questions? A campaign to submit questions, and then see whether they have guts to ask them same way they asked similar ones to Obama?
Yeah…front “lines”….
Back from teh Google – apparently Lenin still hasnt been removed from the tomb and buried. One article said Yeltsin tried to twice, but lost momentum and it never happened.
What did I miss?
Even so…
He’s certainly itching to pull the COG trigger…! Martial Law… 8-(
I’m sure they’re planning something huge and I’m sure they’ll finish it off by shutting down the electric grid along with the Internet servers. Just to be a bunch of assholes!
Nothing like a little “bump” for daddy.
i’ve done worse things in my life than following calm spiritual leaders ;) also spent plenty of time deep in the dionysian rock’n’roll depths. both are way better than following lying scumbag war criminals and their wrapped-in-religion enablers …
Bush stay on?
There have been general strikes in the US before, during the Great Depression I think. Could be again, espcecially if economy goes south as severely as current signs indicate.
it’s one of the only moves they’ve got left …
Whoa, that’s weird. The “Deep South” (Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Kentucky, Tennessee) and Texas and Louisiana doesn’t have people hounding their legislators from Capitol Ministries? Why do they have to nettle us West Coasters?
He has set it all up. All he had to do is create the crisis. This country will go apeshit though, and he better get on a plane to Paraguay…I think Musharraf was a dry run. Pure evil.
and i think they’re a lot more concerned about making sure cheney stays on than that bush does. happy to change the happy idiot in front.
I went to high school with Bill Walton. Every time he would ask me to dance it would turn out to be a slow dance. I’m 5′3″!
so, they got an early start on the fundies then, heh.
Yup. That is why we have to have a way to stay in touch with our local pups.
My first thought when it was revealed today that Prince Harry has been fighting on the front lines in Afghanistan was…it was divulged so he would be a target. And we all know how Georgie loves those kinds of targets! Yep, he gets to blame the country he wants if ole Harry ends up dead, so he can attack and invade!
Watching Dan Abrams – anybody know who the brunette wingnut (Abrams called her “Kate”) is?
Or the male person who claimed the Daily Show’s skit on the media’s hatred of Hillary was demonstrating that it isn’t true….Abrams didn’t let him get away with that, at least.
But, tell me, why is it necessary to have these wingnuts on to spew their twisted “facts” in the first place?
Ya, tools are useful, Russert is not
Did he try the old “knee trick”? Ha, ha, ha…
Yes. What will we do? Impeach him at last?
high school w/ bill walton, huh? met him in those dionysian rock’n’roll depths. no slow dancing there.
like this?
I’ve been following the transcripts of the Diana inquiry…seems there was a lot of fuckery for sure….landmines…she was going to divulge the people and companies selling the landmines….she had a dossier on them…and then “poof”…he’s her son.
Arrest them.
So, are in for a March Surprise? Does seem like any time the Dems are getting some traction against Bushco and the war, they find some reason to cry “be afraid” even louder. The Florida gang-that-wanted-to-attack-the-Chicago-Hancock-building – but couldn’t afford plane fare, the arrest of Jose Padilla, announced from Moscow by Ashcroft as if it were big news, though he’d been in custody for a month or two. Etc., etc.
that shows a country I can be proud of!
We were neighbors! I ran track against Bill. He ran hurdles and I would constantly beat him…I was 5′5″ in High School (Granite Hills in El Cajon). Everyone called me the “pigmy hurdler” because everyone else towered over me…but I was fassssssst.
Of course, he killed us in Basketball!
Wow, maybe you know each other! That would be really kewl!!
One of the most entertaining spontaneous events at UCLA during the 70’s was Swami-X arguing with an evangelical preacher or the “Jews for Jesus”. Swami-X can be found in Wikipedia.
Can they hit Syria from ships???
I don’t know the knee trick, but we’d always crack up. Everyone had their dance partner before the band began playing though. Seems silly now!
“Hypothetical” Russert: If Mars threatened to attack us unless we signed a trade agreement with them would you be willing to meet with their leader? LOL
I’m coming late to this party, but I hope we all remember that Little Joey Short Ride compared Hagee to Moses? There’s film of it somewhere on the toobz, but I’m not clever with film stuff.
Just got this one: Stop Military Aid to Israel
It does feel like the Mafia is still running the show here in America and in Europe, no? *shaking head*
All I know is I’m not in on the secret whispering that is currently going on. Creepy.
Ack Ack!!
Evening, all.
Nobody’s gonna declare martial law, IMO. There’s no need to. Very few people actually give a shit. There all busy watching “Don’t Forget the Lyrics” or some other shit, the NRA and a huge majority of the people with guns will be on their side, the opposition party is compromised, amd 30% or so still think Bush is doing a good job, with another 25% or so apathetic…why bother with martial law? No point or need.
left coaster:
OMG! We were neighbors! Hey, we small folks are fast. I always won the sprints, but didn’t try the hurdles. I lived in the Lake Murray area.
Headed by the Bush family.
(((marion)))
gah, is that guy every right on anything?
We’ve a large immigrant population along with a pretty good sized college one. It keeps it from going entirely Red. Some of michigan’s worst Congresscritters hail from here. Rep Ehlers is one, the worst is Hoekstra, but he hails from neighboring Holland.
I’m happy here, but not totally content.
They can hit satellites in the stratosphere from ships, girlfriend.
“Hypothetical” Russert: If Mars threatened to attack us unless we signed a trade agreement with them would you be willing to meet with their leader? LOL
—
They would introduce the question with a clip from Mars Attacks. And that is why Jack Nicholson can never run for president.
ack ack ack!
Yeah, and Blair is trying to become “President” of the EU!!!
The Brit are ordering that pre-Iraq war documents be released, and that could seriously derail him. Keeping fingers crossed.
Good point, but will those people think when there’s a curfew and they’re shot dead for being out at 9:06pm? Do you think they’d get it then? Probably not.
Yeah…gulp.
707
Speaking of the British, Prince Harry was serving. Princess Jenna, Princess Barbara, Prince Pierce, etc. not so much.
Yes they would.
Who is Prince Pierce?
there is no way a curfew would work w/out serious bombing before hand.
Of course. Who the hell else would head it? LOL
If you think about life as a whole and try to figure out it’s purpose on any given day, it just stuns me that these assholes have been whispering for years behind our backs and have always worked outside the realms of our society with the intention to change the whole damn planet…while the rest of us are just trying to figure out our lives so far! I can’t even imagine being a Secret Society type. It baffles me that anyone would be devious like that.
I despise them all. Have I mentioned that today? No? *pushing Volumes 498-824 to you* Great reading. LOL
Okay, I’m going to bed. Nite all. ;-)
Is that hubby to be?
Would W fuck up Jenna’s wedding with more war????
Hmmmmmmmmmm. Jenna may save us.
Son of Neil Bush
Where I grew up on Pacific coast there was a large conservative Reformed Church community. Often would send their kids to one of those conservative colleges around Grand Rapids for a few years. Thought it would be good for them. The kids would come back during breaks, most of them smoking even more cigarettes than before, getting more radicalized than they ever were growing up in the godless left coast.
Pretty wild that Harry’s already served 10 weeks and only now it’s come out…! I like the fact that Brown’s Cabinet is also investigating rendition flights and over flights by us…!
lol :)
Hit Lebanon from a ship?
We can hit a house in Lebanon from a ship.
True. The streets in Maine were dead right after 9/11/01. Was it like that all across the country? It appears the nation gave itself a curfew of sorts. Fear will do that for sure.
Oh, yeah…Barbara’s future spawn…Ewwwwww…ick, ick, Spit!
He turned into quite the hippie, but later than most of us!
Here it is about 1:45 in. This is some seriously creepy shit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_nS6brC1bE
Traitor Joe is a traitor to his religion and his country. Go figure.
g’nite KayInMaine
Hmmm…
So.
Syria…..Duck and Cover!!!!
Nighters, Kay.
and the horrible thing is that it’s not about syria at all .. they’re just the latest real victims in the planetary play
Thank you, David.
If the enemy of my enemy is my friend, then who is Bill Donohue today?
That’s a trick question, right? (((tw3k))) (My guy at the office loved your cow!)
The kids at Chico who had gone to Catholic schools K-12 went apeshit too.
idk, manhatan was a clusterfuck. Maine sounds pretty quiet.
Ding. I’ve got a good link coming up from Mr. LS….I’m waiting for it.
I read somewhere today (possibly Salon?) that Drudge had published where Prince Harry was serving, with very explicit details. Enough to possibly paint a target on his back. Anything, I guess, to drive traffic to your sleazy site…
Here:
http://www.iranchamber.com/his…..g_iraq.php
Ha! cool :)
i was in Oslo at the time. And it was awesome to see the norwegians come out in solidarity with us. People stopping me on the street to hug and cry when they saw I was an american. huge display in front of the US embassy, candles, pictures, notes. Everyone on the street. And then to see it all pissed away …
I loved all those street buskers from that era…Swami-X also made his way up to Berkeley (last I heard he was busking in Venice Beach). Another guy that was entertaining was the “Moon Man” who sold acres of the moon. I may still have one of those deeds around somewhere. There were some proto-punk groups that would Busk in Sproul Plaza in Berkeley (Psychotic Pineapple, Little Roger and the Goosebumps [famous for their mash-up “Staiway to Gilligans Island”]). Then the weird religious cults waiting to latch onto your soul…the Moonies, Scientologists, Est, Esalen… and scores of other tables various “Panthers” Black, Grey, Brown, Yellow…a prisoner-liberation group that I’m sure were the folks from the SLA, YAFFER’s, etc.
If something happens to Harry, it is because of bloodlines.
Keith reported that Drudge outed Harry.
You were in Oslo? One of my favorite places on earth..the other one is Texas.
yeah, it’s crazy, isn’t it. So blatant, in public view, and for some magic reason, unable to be acknowledged even though we all know it.
Drudge is certainly looking out for the troops, even our Allies’ troops…!
Thanks for finding that! I knew it was floating out there somewhere. Creepy doesn’t BEGIN to describe it.
I think it has to do with michigan in general. We spawn people like Madonna, Michael Moore, and Sam Rami *grin* Very weird state, but it’s home. *laughs* I’m wondering if it’s the proximity to canada though.
Good for Mr. LS. (((Waving to Mr. LS)))
Lots of weapons grade anthrax….interesting.
yeah — i loved Oslo. Beautiful place. I wanted to move there, but the job didn’t work out. And in retrospect, i’m glad we’re still in colorado, but that time has a glow about it.
Don’t forget Ted Nugent!
Sigh….*G*
He’s waving back Loo Hoo!!
How anyone can look at Harry and think he’s a Windsor is beyond me.
Ding. That is the “problem”.
it’s a long standing tradition to “mix” other gene lines into the royal family …
Pure bloodlines.
Seemed like my friends would come back from their grueling conservative Michigan Reformed college experience smoking like chmineys. That is what I remember most.
I’ve always wanted to go up to northern Michigan and visit the national parks up there. Isle Royale (or Royal Ilse ?) in particlar. Supposed to be very beautiful country. But suddenly I picture running into a Sam Rami (the zombie movie guy?) type out there in the woods, and, I’m not so sure.
Isn’t one of those “equerry” fellows that hung ’round Diana red-headed?
But I must say, his grandma seems quite fond and proud of him.
You thinking Charles didn’t sire him?
There were probably prayers all over Great Britain during Diana’s pregnancy that he would get his looks from Diana, not Charles.
IMHO, they were answered.
I won’t say it’s a proof for the existence of God, but some would argue that it’s one more piece of evidence in God’s favor.
“other” royal bloodlines.
Henry VIII…
Ted Nugent? OK, no way. I’m too timid for Michigan then. Is he still there? Does he go to Isle Royale? Probably not, can’t shoot anything there.
He’s his mother’s son. She did revitalize that blood line, bless her heart.
Not just “hung around”.
I would argue that the better gene won out :)
And Mrs. Dr. Peterr, the scientist, would agree with both of us.
To me, Harry looks more than a bit like Diana’s brother Charles, the Earl of Spencer.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media…..itt300.jpg
For Hagee and his followers, Apocalypse, Now! is not a classic Brando film; it’s today’s weather report. Query, whether they’re willing only to push others to invade and kill en masse in order to bring about the Second Coming (though why the Son of a loving God would see things that way is a tad beyond me), or whether they do it themselves.
Authoritarians can tolerate hypocrisy the size of Cheney’s safe in their anointed leaders. Not so others. But those opposed to McCain offering a third Cheney term should distribute as widely as possible information about who McCain is willing to owe allegiance to in order to wear the crown. It would scare the pants off the Tin Man, even if McCain didn’t have a temper that makes the petulant Bush seem like he’s on Laura’s Valium.
I’ve been saying for quite some time that bush is a “dispensationalist”
these are people that actually believe armagedon is a GOOD thing because they think that will mean god will welcome them home
mccain is signaling by accepting this endorsement that he is on board with the dispensationalists
this doesn’t mean he believes what they believe, it means he will do what they want him to do to instigate armagedon
Your link doesn’t work for me, but I recall Diana’s brother. It’s the Spencer genes elbowing out the “etiolated” (to borrow a term from botany) Windsor genes.
being non-religious i am unable to factor in a god :)
I need a better word that non-religious. Don’t like for the same reason i don’t like atheist. I used to say that I am a secular humanist, which is likely most descriptive, yet, secular still seems tainted by religion.
I used the wrong clip to referance for what I had to say, but you get the idea
Just spitballing here, but does “rationalist” work?
http://pictures.directnews.co……95_300.jpg
virtually everything has been tainted by religion these days. these people have given religion a bad name and I don’t think I would feel good going to any church now.
Are you sure my comment is the one you meant to quote?
dispensationalists… the nukes r us crowd.
Right, Harry does look like the Earl of Spencer.
Let me know when you figure out that word. I’ve been hunting for it for a while at the request of some other friends in a similar bind as yourself.
Hey Loo Hoo!
Link no good for me :(
That link doesn’t work for me, comes out looking like a URL.
hm, not bad!
rational humanist.
rational naturalist?
maybe rational existentialist.
Works for me.
Try google image for “Charles Spencer”
Looks like a major voter turnout coming for Texas: From the NYT’s
nope, did not mean to quote that at all, I meant to quote
Steady on, old boy. Red hair is common in Diana’s family, not just in those of court equerries and other royal aides, lords and ladies-in-waiting and other hangers on. Her son not only seems to have acquired her looks, but her down-to-earth, carry your own water into the desert, character. The royal family is very lucky. Another generation of Charleses and we’d be talking about President Gordon Brown.
it is a problem isn’t it. How do you not be something without nameing what you are not. Unless of course you use marion’s logic and just state what you are or try to be.
Exposing that Harry actually was sent into Afghanistan is a blessing…he’s now going back or is back in Britain.
Try again?
Strong words, coming from an Earl.
I think the first Evil Dead movie was filmed in one of michigan’s forests during the fall. Those can be VERY scary at night, and i tell you this from experience. We’ve got old forests here and they bring on the heebie jeebeies without fail.
He is her son, that is for sure. God bless her heart.
Love it!!
This is her lover.
Absolutely. And I’m willing to bet the farm that they did an amniocentesis before anything was announced…
Comment #211 was her lover…the equerry.
Where does an earl fall in the VIP chain?
EarlofHuntington, do you know?
It’s important for Harry personally and for his brother’s reign for him to do what he’s doing. If he sits on a pedestal or just goes to private parties awash in coke and champaign or sits in Scotland collecting stamps and antlers, he and his family are doomed.
Not that I wouldn’t vote to pension off the royals and elect a head of state, but if there’s to be a royal family, they need both brothers to be as experienced, worldly and down-to-earth as possible.
LooHoo…do you know David Mills from El Cajon who went to Chico State @’72-’76?
No. What year did you graduate high school?
To Peterr and Loo Hoo, the short version of the “order of precedence” from low to high is knight (a lifetime title), baronet or hereditary knighthood, baron, viscount (vice or sub-earl), earl, marquess (as in Marquess of Queensbury boxing rules), duke, prince and king. An amalgam of old English and Norman titles.
The eponymous earl was traditionally regarded as a Saxon who spent a few odd years in Sherwood Forest, operating under another name.
Thanks, earl!
Thanks for the info on pecking order. That Earl business seems to be pretty high up there. Pretty toney. Hope it comes with a castle of some kind. Peferablly still with a roof and flooring and comfy stuff inside.
You an earl, live in England among the gentry, or still hiding out in Sherwood Forest? Or have you become an American Earl?
It sure does. What was all the business about Dianna being a commoner???
Since when was it a negative for a Republican to be supported by the lunatic right? They don’t beat each other over the head with this kind of thing because they’d all accept the endorsement in a flash. And, obviously, Farrakhan is black, which is an unacceptable extreme: blacks are automatically on the fringe. Hagee is very acceptable in a world in which McCain is a “moderate”.
The morning of 9/11 when it was still happening some guy in downtown Portland decided to start shooting his gun off. LOL He was arrested, of course, but it got pretty weird here in Maine for weeks afterwards, because the amount of traffic dropped off, as well as, the amount of cars in parking lots at the shopping centers. Very strange indeed. It was almost like we “curfewed” ourselves.
I know I was glued to the television and since 9/11 my television has been on so I don’t miss any breaking news (my television finally died last year and it was over 13 years old).
This is outstanding. Although Bill Donahue’s reputation is such that he won’t be taken seriously by many non-Catholics, it is another piece of evidence that John Hagee’s endorsement benefits only John Hagee and not ordinary religious people. When Pat Robertson endorsed Rudy this was taken for granted.
He called the Catholic Church the anti-Christ!? This is thuggery of the worst sort. By proudly accepting this endorsement McCain is saying that he will “throw Catholics under the bus”.
Of course this analogy is as old as Protestantism itself.