Last night, Joshua Marshall nailed a hard truth about the upcoming presidential campaign:
The core is to drill a handful of key adjectives into the public mind about Barack Obama: Muslim, anti-American, BLACK, terrorist, Arab. Maybe a little hustler and shifty thrown in, but we’ll have to see. The details and specific arguments are sort of beside the point.
Just this morning, Attaturk caught another angle of the same broad assault–that Obama is too haughty and arrogant for heartland America to support. As I noted in a comment in that thread, though, this isn’t just a race card, since the same line of attack was used on Al Gore. What we’re really seeing is the re-animation of the same zombie logic the Republicans trot out against Democratic presidential candidates every four years. Here’s how Paul Waldman described it a year and a half ago:
If there’s one thing Republicans have understood and Democrats haven’t, it is that politics is not about issues. Politics is about identity. . . .
Think about what happens in campaign after campaign. The Democrat comes before the public and says, “If you read my 10-point policy plan, I’m sure you’ll vote for me. Let’s go over it point by point." The Republican then comes before the public, points to the Democrat, and says, “That guy is a weak, elitist liberal who hates you and everything you stand for. I’m one of you and he’s not." And guess who wins.
. . . voters don’t read policy papers, and they don’t make decisions with a checklist of issues in their hands. That’s why Republican campaigns operate on a different level: Whom do you identify with? Whom can you trust? Who is strong, and who is weak? These questions transcend issues, which is why Republicans — who know they are at a disadvantage on the issues — spend so much time talking about them.
That’s why what Attaturk described even earlier this morning as Obama’s "three paragraphs of unvarnished truth" in replying to John McCain on Iraq yesterday were so bracing:
"I said, well I would always reserve the right to go in and strike against al Qaeda if they were in Iraq," Obama said. "So, you know, this is how politics works. McCain thought that he could make a clever point by saying, ‘Well, let me give you some news Barack, al Qaeda IS in Iraq,’ like I wasn’t reading the papers. Like I didn’t know what was going on."
. . ."But I have some news for John McCain," Obama said, "and that was that there’s no such thing as al Qaeda in Iraq until George Bush and John McCain decided to invade Iraq!"
. . . "So John McCain may like to say he wants to follow Osama bin Laden to the gates of Hell," Obama said, "but so far all he’s done is follow George Bush into a misguided war in Iraq that’s cost us thousands of lives and billions of dollars."
What Obama is doing here isn’t just responding to the factual specifics of McCain’s gibe — he’s portraying himself as the ordinary, common-sense guy dealing with reality, and McCain as a foolish, out-of-touch phony who’s only concerned with politics.
For those of us who’ve been worried about Barack’s readiness to deal with the GOP sludge machine, it’s a good sign.
Update: So is this bit of framing goodness from Team Obama, responding to Dubya’s press conference today:
With their words today, George Bush and John McCain called for staying the course with an endless war in Iraq and a failed policy of not talking to leaders we don’t like, but Americans of all political persuasions are calling for change. The American people aren’t looking for tough talk about fighting for 100 years in Iraq, because they know we need to end this war, finish the job in Afghanistan, and take the fight to al Qaeda. The American people aren’t looking for more of a do-nothing Cuba policy that has failed to secure the release of dissidents, failed to bring democracy to the island, and failed to advance freedom for fifty years, because they know we need to pursue new opportunities to achieve liberty for the Cuban people.
Notice how the statement intentionally links "tough talk" with failure, and puts Obama on the side of the American people in wanting policies that get results instead? A couple of months ago, I mentioned that for almost three years now, I’ve been "writing about the basic distinction of bluster versus responsibility and the need to consciously rehabilitate and reclaim common sense as an approach for addressing policy issues, especially with regard to national security. . . . We need to start asserting the value of thinking about what works, not just what sounds like the most macho response." It’s great that Obama and his brain trust appear to get this.
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- Hey John Nichols: Pointing Out That Fox News is Partisan Isn’t “Whining”
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Swopa!
I don’t like Obama for a whole bunch of reasons, but he is head & shoulders above any D in recent memory on defense. It’s about time.
this was a great, entertaining post
in my opinion, this was the money shot;
I really want everyone, every democrat to hammer and hammer at that point because it cannot be denied, yet the republicans deny it
so hammer in their face, say it when on the same show, say it at every debate, say it every SINGLE time mccain brings up ANYTHING that has to do with our armed forces or this rediculous war
(Note: This thread was briefly kidnapped by aliens. But it’s back now, with no visible ill effects.)
hi swopa!
love the post
Heh, that it is…! It is refreshing to see Obama deftly turn the attacks back on McCan’t…! *g*
Love to see our side punching back.
In this house, make no mistake, as it stands now, we are strong Obama supporters.
Instead of From the Gates of Hell to the Gates of Baghdad (oops not there?) Good thinking George. Obama has it right.
It is refreshing. Isn’t it.
It’s about time! I was dismayed at Gore’s, and, particularly, Kerry’s lack of spine and punch…
Republicans. Things are changing. Get over it.
Wow! This what I’ve been waiting to hear for the last 7 years! Just keep repeating it, over and over, Obama!
I love that he got in the obvious essence of our Cuba “policy,” too.
Frankly, this is why I just came home from voting for Obama. (Texas early voting ends tomorrow.) Edwards was still on the ballot, and it was tempting…but OMG, Texans are going to influence this election for the first time in a long time, and I ain’t wasting the chance!
More like this, please!
The GOP is indulging in typical fascist crap respective of Obama. Karl Rove… you naughty little fascist fantasist behind the curtain.
I find Shrub’s argument that, by sitting down and talking with Raul, et al, gives him all the legitimacy of the POTUS, is sheer BS…! In fact, the talks would actually burnish OUR severely tarnished image… 8-(
OT..A little more spine growing..the House seems to be leading…
(snip)
link
a-fucking-men
Are the republicans going to put issues on the ballot like gay marriage and pregnant teens needing parental permission to get an abortion this general election? Or has this all been run in to the ground by the GOP? It was red meat republican issues like this that helped bring the rightwing out to vote in 2004. They always have this other card to play if it has’nt already run it’s course.
Speaker. You are late to the party.
AP – House Speaker Nancy Pelosi asked the Justice Department on Thursday to open a grand jury investigation into whether President Bush’s chief of staff and former counsel should be prosecuted for contempt of Congress.
Here’s the you tube of this exchange. It’s not only the content, but his delivery that’s impressive. He sells the snark and hammers home the point.
“I got some news for you, John McCain!”
This is a must see
Wow. That is awesome. Now can we get impeachment back on the table, please?
Oops, forgot the link!! DOH!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2pXElHV6FA
This is possibly insider stuff, but I found this article, and accompanying response in The Black Commentator pretty refreshing from a Illinois State Senator running for the Senate of the United States back in 2002.
It’s pretty clear that Obama was already pretty forceful on the flaws of NAFTA and willing to attack the rationale for the Iraq invasion even when, in 2002, the latter was still very popular. It’s critical to realize that opposition to the war in 2002 could have been a “deal breaker” for those running for Senate in Illinois. It was a principled stand.
I also learned that Obama denounced (or is it rejected) an erroneous affiliation with the DLC when he was a Senate Candidate. And he cut his teeth as a community organizer by heading a voter registration effort for Carol Mosley-Brown.
He also deals with the question of whether it’s right for him to have discourses with politicians across the aisle…and he basically uses the same rationales as he has used when he says he’ll communicate with Ahmadjinedad or Kim Il-Sung…which I thought was pretty humorous!
This is not a complicated concern. Get rid of Nancy and Harry after next January.
You don’t think Obama was politely saying “John, please…go to hell.”
Junk NAFTA. Junk the DLC. Junk the “third way”. Junk the Clintons.
Swopa, congratulations and thanks for an outstanding post.
Dropping my quarter for the swear jar….
boo… isn’t that scary….. what is that funny III after his name? Is he a Manchurian candidate?
EW’s all over it, OKK!
Uh, just checking. Are we dead yet?
Jeff on 1480 KPHX is going to interview the guy responsible for those FISA scary Foundation Defend Democracie ads that have been targeting 17 freshman Democrats in a few minutes…. go to http://www.aaphx.com to live stream.
Someone should make a website similar to this one to answer that question:
http://www.isitchristmas.com/
Has anyone registered arewedeadyet.com?
Everybody can relax. It’s in the bag:
http://raginguniverse.blogspot…..ation.html
Rats. Taken. Ah, well…
Actually, at this stage meetings with Bush might do more harm to the image of Raul and other foreign leaders than helping. In fact with Bush such public meetings might embarass the US. Exhibit #1 would be the pathetic Press Conference this morning in which Bush could barely pronounce an intelligible word and communicated only when he used his repeated mantras that might have well been tattooed on his forehead. I thought he was drunk, or heavily medicated. He couldn’t even get his prepared “talking points” about Telecom immunity out without slurring.
I listened on the radio (NPR) and was shocked by the long pauses, tangents, and time-stalling interjections. It was almost as if he had been struck with sudden onset Alzheimers or Huntington’s Disease. I wonder if something is up medically with him?
You make a good point Swopa , pointing to McStain and saying ‘He’s old! And he smells funny too!’ could be a hell of a way to get the younger voters on board.
‘Yeah, my Grandpa smells like that too, I’m not voting for that guy.’
/snark
Wow, you are right – that delivery is fantastic. I love the way the audience stood and cheered each time he connected McCain w/ Bush and the misguided war. I love that he brought it back to Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.
I’m liking this guy more and more.
Something I read awhile back: An Illinois representative met with bush in his 1st term. As she was putting on her coat, bush caught sight of the Obama button on it & jumped back, startled. He thought the button said Osama. He didn’t seem to know who Obama was & the rep said, “You will, Mr President, you will”.
Justin Franks book – “Bush on the Couch” addressed much of this, fetal alcohol syndrome, dry drunk, ADD, ADHD, and the effects of drugs.
If McCain is seen to be floundering against Obama on national security, I wonder at what point will George W. Bush start campaigning actively against Obama to defend his own failed policies. If McCain was dumb enough to allow Bush to stump with him and Obama maintains his aggressive responses, it could be devastating for the McCain campaign.
You must be talking about this.
LOL! I like it, though.
What a fantastic book that is. Everyone should read it – or maybe not if you want to avoid nightmares.
I stand corrected! ;-)
I’ve wondered about Shrub’s sanity since ‘99…! *g*
In reality though, Swopa is dead on WRT voters eyes glazing over when confronted with actually reading and having to comprehend a candidates position on anything.
They like the good looking guy with the straight teeth and the nice hair. The guy could be reading his damn grocery list, they aren’t listening at that point anyway.
I thought that the “Youth Vote for Obama” Phenomenon might have been tapped out in terms of registration. But apparently that enthusiasm and support vote is now currently only College Students…plus it’s expanding there still. But NPR offered this morning that some polls show that many non-College age peers are still not registered. That means that if College students now start outreach with other members of their cohort there is room for even more support and turnout.
I have to say I agree with the commenter here who remarked the other day that they couldn’t wait for the Obama and McCain debates. And also with another commenter who expressed concern for President Obama’s safety.
and katymine — I couldn’t stand to listen to it for long, but I noticed that, too. He stumbled over the same talking points he’s been using for years. Of course, he sounded like he was increasingly pissed off, (also heard it on NPR) as he so often does these days. (hee)
Thanks! These are the main reasons I feel confident in my support for Obama, regardless of specific votes.
Bob in HI
The Obama campaign has also done a good job of making people feel like part of the campaign, connected with it, which has a lot to do with building up identity. Once people have decided they like you, they’re more likely to discount attacks, no matter how nasty. This is part of why the whole “no specifics” business in the press and rival campaigns went nowhere — while it may be frustrating to pundits and politics geeks like us, campaigns are not won on policy. (And, of course, it’s always been somewhat bogus, because the policy is there on the campaign website, he just doesn’t make it a focus of his speeches, except in general terms.)
Lil boots sure was all in a tizzy this morning at his presser. If it wasn’t so serious it would almost be funny. What an a**.
Question:
Exactly where and how did McBush obtain all that foreign & security experience?
Was it being in a POW camp in Vietnam?
Was it sitting in congress or the senate?
Was it his flybys into Iraq?
Really, Bush is just stupid, besides being a drunk. His puppet masters no longer care what he says, so they feed him lines no more. Republics should be ashamed.
arewedeadyet.net isn’t taken yet.
E-mail from Obama campaign this morning said they had reached 1 million contributors. That’s amazing.
Bob, Did you catch Inouye’s slur about Punahou, his retraction was front page material here in Hilo…! ;-)
I heard that 90% are under $1000… think of that….
Does he *explicitly* suggest Fetal alcohol syndrome? Can you provide an actual citation (page number)? It could explain a lot. Like just for starters, difficulty anticipating consequences and cause/effect relationships. Pretty dangerous qualities for the captain of the ship.
Bob in HI
I agree that he was stupid in 2000. I was astounded that he was taken seriously as a candidate. Still, I think the evidence of deterioration of his speaking skills is solid, whatever the cause. Besides the dementia theory, I’m also partial to the Lyme disease explanation. That organism does very serious neurological damage to syphilis. He was diagnosed with Lyme disease during his physical last year. Of course, there is the alcohol and drug damage, too, so his poor, demented brain has to be pretty messed up on a lot of counts.
True Public Financing…! *g*
I got a robocall in Southern California about a week ago asking if I would support a ballot proposition to make marriage a one man/ one woman thingee. I thought we already did that nonsense, but the new proposition is to change the California Constitution in case the state supreme court rules that whatever we did last time was a load of crap.
So, yes, the GOP is reconstituting their wedge issues.
Just watched the video of Obama’s retort to McCain. Didn’t know this before, but Obama has a distinctive bass harmonic in his voice, and off the top of my head, I’d say that that will get him elected. Fewer print quotes of the man and more sound bites: that’s the ticket. (I always thought that the way Raygun’s eyeb rows went up in the middle got him in; they said, “Don’t pick on me; I’m cuddly and helpless.” Kerry’s eyebrows took it to the point of caricature and didn’t help him AT all. Bushie’s both slant up to the right (left as you’re looking at him); don’t know how that works, except that it’s a little unsettling to look at.) I’m rambling. Definitely need supper.
I don’t remember anything about FAS (fetal alcohol syndrome) in Bush on the Couch. It would mean that Bar drank to excess while she was pregnant with W. I find that impossible to believe.
The mention above of the youth/student vote/registration issue reminds me–at my early voting place, in early afternoon on a weekday, the line was out the door and remained that way. Took about 45 min. to get in and cast my votes. Quite a mix of ages–several who looked like college students (it was a few blocks from a small college), lots of middle-age and older, and a couple frail women who appeared to be in their early 90’s. I felt good about it.
It has to be a good thing that turnout is consistently high, state after state.
Tucker Carlson is valiantly defending White Men against the non-white, non-male forces of evil.
I gotta love this man.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..88954.html
Loaned my book to a friend and do not have it…
Justin Franks is a former CIA Psychoanalysis’s who used the same methods of evaluting world leaders & persons of interest that the CIA does, profiling Bush. The first three chapters are just dang boring with his methodology BUT what he does is explore issues and then states what might be the source.
All those above were listed at one time or another. Bush’s not wanting long meetings, having to do excessive exercise, the speech patterns were all different things.
He goes through his life span, from his parents, the death of his sister, their moves, events in his childhood and failed businesses.
Anyone else who might have their copy jump in.
I heard on MSGOP yesterday that Crazy train is ahead in National Polls. How is that possible when the primary numbers so far show that democrats have come out far ahead of the republics. Did anyone else see that?
I had a neighbor ask me to sign for that proposition. Told him no.
Obama is good at standing up to simple minded bogus half- and zero-truth talking points and rebutting them in concise, plain language. Also good with the elementary “compare and contrast” stuff, which sounds patronizing, but it isn’t. It is basic stuff you’re supposed learn in high school English classes, but then forget later on when you want to look all sophisticated. It is important to get your viewpoint across in a simple short story that is easy to follow.
I think that can be done even for complicated issues. If something is susceptable to policy analysis, that means that it can be analyzed and that means it is a complicated thing which is nothing but a bunch of simple things arranged at put together in certain way. You have to identify the simple pieces that are most important and put them together and across to a wide audience in a short time.
I also agree with the angle of GOP politics being about the politics of identity. That is what I means when I say the modern GOP is like the Soveit secret police’s approach: “Give me the person and I will give you the case.”
It doesn’t make any difference what the person has done or said or thinks. You just go over the person until you find some angle, no matter what it is, (looks, lisp, squinty eyes, background, some arbitrary stereotype, whatever) that you can use to make that person look bad in simple words and images. Then you go sell it to the judge or the public, the voters. They do it over and over. And to even play that game or worry about it much is to give half the game away before you start.
And often it does boil down to making the other person seem different or strange in some way. Not part of your group, and therefore unknown, potentially dangerous or hostile, not trustworthy.
Lately I’ve decided the term social engineering focuses on another aspect of it that is enlightening, but it is all about the same thing. I think ‘politics of identity’ is a great description of another facet to that strategy.
That is why you see all these trial balloons being floated. None of them mean squat about the target. They often don’t identify anything, weakness, strength, or any important charactersitic of the victim at all. It is all about what intuitive pitch will work with the audience.
When they think they have found a winner, they will go with that and start honing and finetuning the pitch.
I’d rather watch the Beard than the Bow…! ;-)
“Bob, Did you catch Inouye’s slur about Punahou, his retraction was front page material here in Hilo…! ;-)”
I heard about it as a slam against Obama, and painting Punahou as elitist is old politics here. In fact, just had a discussion about it the other night. What I hear is that Punahou isn’t as elitist as it used to be, but you’ll still hear it from public school students, and even students from Kam Hi.
Still, any high school that produced Obama and 2/3rds of the Kingston Trio can’t be all bad…
:-)
Bob in HI
Caligula Bush doesn’t like the fact that he’s fading from the scene. His arrogance and childesh neediness is going to smother John McCain.
Bush’s hug is growing tighter around McCain’s neck.
I don’t know what is more despicable, Bush’s ego or the sycophants like Rove, Snow et al running around trying to reinforce the Bush=Lincoln legacy myth.
-G
I would refer you to an editorial from 2004 by Ariel Dorfman about this very subject, except in this case, it related to John Kerry:
http://www.victorycoffee.com/article.php?sid=18367
Be afraid, be very afraid…
There is a macro trend. It’s called Obama.
It doesn’t always need to be excessive or continuous, it can be at the specific point in the fetal development.
Has Mr. McCain ever had an out of the box thought?
National poll numbers use models based on party identification and turnout that are typically from at least a few years ago.
Have to go out shopping….. just remember McBush’s middle name
Just who would vote for someone with the name of Sidney?
Wow, it is a good thing that the crooked, corrupt, and sleazy McCain doesn’t have these problems. I guess that’s one of the pluses when you are owned by lobbyists. *g*
Real leaders take risks Speaker Pelosi. Where does that leave you?
Whatever. There’s nothing about FAS in Bush on the Couch as near as I can remember (my copy is not where I am, but it’s the kind of thing that would be quite memorable if it were in the book). No one that I have ever read sugests that Bar has a drinking problem, especially when she was pregnant. I’ve know a FAS and I’ve read a little about it. W does not resemble.
One of the intangibles that the Dems have in Obama, that has been sorely lacking since JFK and RFK, is Charisma…! I like his Rock Star personae, it’s produced tangible turnout numbers…! *g*
I can’t help but hope that the people of USA know they need a smart well educated and able-to-be-educated young man after seven years of dumb and dumber.
And I never understood how the GOP could throw around the label “elitist” and have it stick when they are the cliquey-ist, croniest, most exclusionary group going!
Nice to see you swopa.
What is this about McCain’s middle name? Are Ds now stooping to R tactics?
And Michelle Wie…! ;-)
You have a short memory, you are forgetting the charisma dynamic duo, Walter Mondale and Mike Dukakis.
-G
I just watched the youtube of Obama’s “I’ve got news for John McCain. Pretty good. I think it would have been better, though, if every time he said McCain’s name, he prefaced it with the word ‘crazy’. Yep, it’s better. “I have news for crazy John McCain”
Too much?
“I don’t remember anything about FAS (fetal alcohol syndrome) in Bush on the Couch. It would mean that Bar drank to excess while she was pregnant with W. I find that impossible to believe.”
Is that last sentence snarky?
One does not have to “drink to excess” to shave IQ points off the fetal brain. And the full facial features will result only if consumption is heavy enough during the first month or so of pregnancy. Drinking later in pregnancy can still have profound effects on the brain without leaving teltale signs on the face. But George does not have the full facial features of FAS, so that is not credible to me. What is credible is that Bar drank enough ensure that George is not playing with a full deck (in clinical talk, that would be something like “Fetal Alcohol Effects (FAE),” or “Alcohol-related Neurological Deficits (ARND)”, or “Static encephalopathy,” etc.
Bob in HI
LOL. Remember Ron Lovitz as dukakis.
I’m outraged.
If anyone in the press had half a brain they would have asked Bush this morning to reconcile his position on not talking to Raul Castro about human rights with his intent to talk to the leader of China (another paragon of human rights) while he is at the Olympics….
Somehow the word dynamic doesn’t jibe with my memories of Mr. Mondale.
Yes, it is too much.
-G
Invading a sovereign nation leaving millions dead is too much.
Our economy is going from bad to a lot worse in 2008.
All Obama need do to win in November is speak to the suffering middle class, the workers, the soldiers, and the poor. Contrast their lives with the rich.
And stand tall.
Same with Pelosi and Reid, perhaps.
Fine. We’re all arguing about something that we are not now able to check in the alleged source.
Yes I agree. But the charisma angle only has leges if there is substance behind it, they charismast can think on their feet.
seems like the GOP (and recently, and sadly, HRC) has been trying out the substancelss charsima angle. But that does not seem to be working.
If Giuliani or Romney campaigns had gone further, it would be better in the respect that there would be a slamdunk case of charisma without substance to contrast against Obama. Except that Giuliani had negative charisma. And Romney had late 1950s dowdy white man charisma.
Gotta read the fine print. Those polls usually state that these are “likely voters”…which means that they are biased against those people who have just recently registered, or who have lapsed voting, or who have switched registration (particularly from Republican to Democrat or Independent). All these surveys are not based on “raw numbers” but upon some massaged scalars of a) earlier reported Party registration, and b) voting in the previous Presidential election.
That means that Republican responses are given a much higher weight simply because Rove got more evangelicals out last election. All of those are “probable voters”. But if someone says they are Democrats, because the Dems are far less likely to vote, that group that identifies themselves as D gets a reduced weight.
This is one acknowleged reason the polls have been widely off in the Democratic Primaries…people who are not “likely voters” are coming out in proportions at, or above the levels of likely voters.
Right. I personally was thinking about how Bush embraced Musharraf.
I personally was thinking about Gitmo & Siegelman when he was spittling over political prisoners and human rights…
Duh, because it’s a “sporting event” and he is a sports fan…
But Cubans don’t host the Olympics? Ah don’t get yer kwestchin.
-The Decider
If anyone in the press had
half a brainan ounce of integrity they would have asked Bush this morning to reconcile his position on not talking to Raul Castro about human rights with his intent to talk to the leader of China (another paragon of human rights) while he is at the Olympics….Fixed that for ya.
But, I remember certain Tank pix’s of Mike and then he tanked, course Willie Horton aided and abetted him too… ;-)
Is “likely voters” code for property owners? Just wondering.
I heard goopers were not turning out for primaries. Maybe they will for the general election though.
The so called Democratic leadership (Pelosi, Reid, the DLC, the Clintons and a few others) has got to go.
Dowdy does sum it up! Speaking of the ’50’s, Obama can apparently swivel his hips like Elvis… *g*
Na the wingers are calling into our radio station and bringing it up ALL the time… it is that stupid.
The politics of identity? That’s why the atavistic GOP’s first assault is on an opponent’s manhood. But then, the GOP’s principal tactic has long been to accuse its opponents of having its own worst attributes and fears. Which says a lot about the confidence and firmness of the GOP’s male members.
Obama the haughty elite? Right, the lower middle income, fatherless guy who spent years working in local south side Chicago communities. The Harvard Law Review editor-in-chief who turned down Wall Street to go back to those same communities. But screw-off, rich kid, legacy George Bush, “trained” at Yale and Harvard? He’s a regular guy.
It’s all about associating an opponent with primitive, negative, unthinking emotion. Feel first, think later, if at all. As applied to Obama or Hillary, it becomes laughable. As John Kerry knows, it can also be devastating, no matter how hypocritical. Rove effectively attacked Kerry in 2004, despite Kerry’s having shown exemplary courage and leadership under fire, not in the battle-hardened bars of Texas and Alabama like GWB. Fortunately for progressives, neither Hillary nor Obama is as reluctant as was Kerry aggressively to defend themselves.
The Democrats have seen this coming; they’ve been through it, repeatedly lost elections to it. For all the money they’re paying their advisers, they better have a response to it. That includes blogs like this and its readers getting the word out to fight this crap.
The Duke, got a bum rap from Bernard Shaw. Should’ve called him a cocksucker for asking that question.
That might have changed things up a bit.
-G
Bush is looking more and more like a moron, not knowing about gas prices and saying the economy will be fine. Out of touch, just like Poppy.
Who can forget Willie Horton?
-G
not knowing about gas prices? What dumb thing did he say about that?
The first ‘Black’ to be editor-in-chief, certainly aces Shrub’s woeful academic record…!
Below is an important story from TPM. Joseph Stiglitz is saying Iraq war is one of sources of current economic woes. Stiglitz has a Swedish Bank Nobel prize in economics so what he says tends to get press and he is a very good economist.
I think there is much truth to Stiglitz’ point. The combination of extraordinarily bad and inefficient fiscal response to the intially very mild 200-2001 recession, combined with lack of adequate financial and economic forecasting regarding foreseeable Iraq war costs put trememdous strain on fiscal policy until late in the recovery from the last recession.
Improvised, not very well thought out, and at times nearly desperate monetary policy filled the gap.
The Iraq war, and just as important, lack of adequate planning for it, has made the country’s financial and economic situation much more fragile that it would have been otherwise. So it is not just a BS campaign season talking point with no substance.
And I think public, once again, is ahead of the Very Serious People on this. I have seen polls showing that they can connect the waste of money in Iraq with fiscal, financial and economic problems here in the US. They are to some extent correct. And, hey, Stiglitz agrees. Democrats should use that convergence to their advantage.
Such a Shrewd Use of Money
02.28.08 — 4:53PM By Josh Marshall
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/180650.php
Heh, I was stationed in Massachusetts at the time, trust me, I heard all about him…! I still voted for Mike… *g*
Bush also said this about the Turks incursion/invasion of Iraq:
“The Turks need to move quickly, achieve their objective, and get out.”
I am sure that it was not shoved down his dry-drunk throat by any member of the pathetic somnambulist media corps.
-G
I am not sure there is anyone who thinks otherwise…we are causeing inflation, exporting manpower and buying power, creating a contempt for this country
not gonna be too good for business
Even I can swivel my hips better than Romney!
I think the late 50s part is key. Early 50s, even mainline whitebread white men were not dowdy, you had that 40s big band jazzy snap and sass to it. Romney is very definitely very late 50s very early 60s, when the snap turned to sap and the sass was sussed for good.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/…..as-prices/
Well, I will bet you some nominal amount (how many Bazooka bubble gums can you chew at once) that the Very Serious People will find that theory assinine, ridiculous, or scary scaremongering.
Otherwise, how could McCain be out selling his 10,000 year war on zero taxes and a promise of sensible whiteman paternalistic overlord fiscal responsibility?
BTW I am a mainline whitebread guy. For some reason, I am ashamed of my people today.
Here you go:
I found the transcript on (shhhhh!) foxnews.com!!!
Heh, I was a mere twinkle in the eye, so I’ll take your word on it…! ;-)
Cue the hospital bed! George Bush was insane today at his presser!
Good gawd. There is something truly wrong with the man.
Anyone watching Tweety’s show? He, Andrea Mitchell, and Gene Robinson all said in unison that they are sick and tired of Obama saying that we’re in Iraq because George Bush put us in Iraq. Oh, I get it! Tweety, Andrea, and Gene don’t want to be reminded of this anymore! Dumbasses they are. I swear, those who have been touting George Bush’s illegal occupation over the years are now feeling the air leave their war-balloon. Poor things. They can’t handle the idea of peace or rational thought.
John McCain supports torture by the United States of America.
Hey, that doesn’t mean you’re a heel…
so, over at think progress they have the transcript where the president is clueless concerning gas prices, you’re not gonna believe the closing line on that transcript;
Earlier today on NPR’s Morning Edition they had a segment with some guy from the Southern Baptist Convention (or whatever it is). Needless to say there wasn’t much he said t hat I agreed with, but he did have a good line at the end that summed up in a right-brained way the difference between the Clinton and Obama campaigns: “She’s on a job interview while he’s on a date.”
Oh yes, Georgie being an oil/gas man had no idea gas would be reaching $4/gallon. In fact, he acted like he didn’t know much about anything. He truly is a scary person. If I were Jenna, I wouldn’t invite him to the wedding.
His next sentence should have been, “Therefore, effective immediately, I am resigning as President of the United States…”
Georgie has no idea how to fix anything either. He’s kicking back until the next president takes over.
That’s because the ever trim, slim Karl Rove and Kyle Sampson and Tucker Carlson have claimed sole ownership of the mainstream white American man. Howzat for not having the courage to look in your own mirror? They don’t represent that constituency any more than Bush represents true people of faith.
Works for me…! ;-)
so after reading the transcript, I see someone did bust his chops about a china visit when he won’t “embrace Castro” by giving him the photo opp. wow.
So…will anyone in MSM report on the inconsistency?
didn’t think so…
but if someone did, let me know!
GW Bush not knowing what the price of gas is (or is predicted to be) reminds me of when Daddy Bush went Christmas shopping and was amazed by the bar code-reading device at the cash register, when most Americans knew they had been in service for some time…
I wasn’t even a twinkle. I didn’t say I was an old fart mainline white guy. I am going by my knowledge of ancient cultural history, and harrowing experiences during the late swing dancing boom (watch out for the Balboa, you can get hurt doing that).
Bush’s ideas of going for strong dollar policy and growing the economy out of recession with exports is an interesting mix, unless those words don’t mean what I think they mean.
Andrea Mitchell is a wretched human being. Tweety a misogynistic lost boy and I’ll leave Gene alone.
-G
Steams my clams! Time to write msnbc another e-mail.
Check this for dumbass (actually soulless) media stupidity
KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: A little boy who lost both of his arms and much of his family in a coalition bombing is getting medical treatment in Kuwait. Twelve-year-old Ali Hamza was flown from Baghdad to Kuwait City overnight. His story has touched hearts around the world.
…
PHILLIPS: Doctor — what has he been saying to you, Doctor? Is he asking anything of you? Is he thanking you? Is he wanting to know about family? Tell us what this little boy has been saying to you.
AL-NAJADA: Actually, today he was in good condition after the operation and started speaking with a journalist and answering all their questions. The thing which he was — they asking about — the journalists, especially the broadcasting, what the message he wants to reflect from the war. He said, first of all, thank you for the attention they’re giving to him, but he hopes nobody from the children in the war they will suffer like what he suffer.
PHILLIPS: Does he understand why…
AL-NAJADA: Kyra.
PHILLIPS: Doctor, does he understand why this war took place? Has he talked about Operation Iraqi Freedom and the meaning? Does he understand it?
-Atrios 11:07
I thought the Disco Era was pretty harrowing…! ;-)
My favorite president hands down was a Republican. His name was Abraham. This man gave us hope. President Obama offers the same.
I saw the presser…he seemed…stoned.
I heard a couple of other “oil barons” on the teevee today whining about refineries and let us drill in Alaska… I think that is what is ultimately behind the high prices…to force America to drill and build refineries or else…$10 per gallon gas.
A-holes.
CNN says Bush used the $4.00 gas price issue to argue that his tax cuts should be extended. I’d like to know how he handled that proposition…
(I haven’t read the transcript)
The US has sent the USS Cole off the coast of Lebanon to pressure Syria.
Israel raids kill dozens.
Gaza rockets barrage Israel.
Turkey continues raids in Iraq.
The fruits of Bush’s recent peace tour.
-G
I believe I read drilling alaska gets us a grand total of 6 months worth of oil
Hmmm… Another Cole incident…? 8-(
Cheeze louise, I once had high hopes for Kyra, but unless she’s being fed these lines by someone else, I give up on her.
Bob in HI
Yeah, I caught the drilling part. buttheads.
I guess I might have to watch to see what a stoned president looks like. I listened on the radio and I never heard him pound the podium before. He did it quite a lot today.
I was posting the snip about oil prices for tejanausa.
Yup. They will try to
finish offcreate chaosfinish their axis of evil agenda…they willteh chimp> prices are up?…economy down?…we need tax cuts to fix that
prices are down, economy up?…the tax cuts worked and we need more tax cuts because they worked so good
Bush Sr. also had no idea what the price of a gallon of milk was either. At the very least, Barack & Michelle Obama know what it’s like to be you and I. The Bushes, the Clintons, and their friends have no idea.
The ANWR, specifically, tear it up for a mere 6 months… A sad tale, indeed…!
I thought Disco was pretty cool but I was young and impressionable. I think swing dancing to suicide punk big-band music was more harrowing in a better way.
I will have to read transcript of the press conference today. Bush started out with a series of disortions, smears, and downright lies that outraged me so, I turned it off and ran away.
OT, but I haven’t been able to watch every single comment on every single thread today, and I just remembered something from this morning. Did anyone see Katrina vanden Heuvel on Morning Joe. The discussion went toward the media’s bias against women. She set MSNBC in its place when she said flat out that they, too, are responsible for a certain bigotry against women, as are other women like Maureen Dowd. Joe also mentioned that he doesn’t see why the same thing that Maureen Dowd has been saying forever comes out of Chris Matthews mouth and suddenly it’s sexist. Anyway, I love Katrina vanden Heuvel.
I just saw the “Defense of Democracies” telecom immunity attack ad on my TV…tuned to CNN, don’t know if it was a local or national broadcast…I live in KS-2 (Nancy Boyda-D).
We’re supposed to call the House of Representatives and tell the Democrats to stop acting like traitors, or something…
It’s like the THs don’t really know how to interview people other than politicians. If it’s “real life” they’re lost. I noticed this with the story about an off duty policeman who saved a little girl from a burning building. They practically feed the lines they want to the person. “You must have felt…” “Did you think about your own kids?” really stupid crap.
And so we find ourselves once again with a stark choice. On the one hand hope, vision, and a chance to set things right. And on the other hand we have distrust, vengeance and ultimately hate and prejudice. Obama or McCain?
Mosh pits are pretty brutal, I hear…! ;-)
Today, the head of Shell said he wants to drill in Alaska and the Arctic…yeah…that’s the ticket.
I hate those people.
LOL Steams my clams too! I’m sick of ALL WARMONGERS.
I think both Matthews and Dowd are very retrograde sexist, both in disgusting and dangerous ways. but they have distinctly different brands of sexism.
Hey hey hey! Don’t forget Bush’s committment to ethanol, now! /s
No no no. no mosh pits for me. I never saw mosh pits during swing fad here in Northern California. Thank goodness. But I am not hip and proabably never stayed out late enough to find out whether any existed.
Moooooooo….
I can give a pass on the price of a carton of milk…my hubby went grocery shopping with me when he was complaining about the weekly tab. I said come with me and I’ll show you how much each individual item has gone up. It was really helpful.
But when the whole world has been turning on oil prices, to claim not to know is just more bong hits for jesus.
I’d like to smack these assholes around. I wonder daily if any of these people have had a loved one in a horrible car accident where their bodies end up maimed and on the brink of death? I bet they have, but yet, a child whose little body is destroyed by a bomb or what have you in an illegal occupation needed and started by their Bushitler, suddenly they forget the grieving, the pain, and the compassion in being a human for gawd’s sake!!
They have lost all compassion! Who are these inhumane people? And they wonder why when they have something horrible happen to them we just smile and say, “Karma!”.
Assholes.
Uh, oh….other ships heading to the region. Fasten your seatbelts…here goes Syria….
Stop these madmen!!!!!!!
Oh and let me mention how proud I was this morning to hear that our little neighborhood gas station made the bay area radio news for the highest prices evah!!!
We need to concentrate on Methanol, specifically, celluose based… Easier and cheaper in so many different aspects…
Good on ya!
Good point. Here in Maine milk is $4.85/gallon. I can’t forget the price. LOL
George Bush & Dick Cheney have not wanted to fix anything they’ve started. Why? Because they just wanted to be the ’starters’, you know, the guys who poured the gasoline for miles and then lit the match. Putting the fire out was never in the plan!
Haven’t we had enough of pro-business Chief Execs? Eight years of Bill Clinton (I voted for him twice), and almost as much time with George W. Bush. Isn’t it time for a change?
Heh, ya didn’t miss anything, except a broken hip…! *g*
“And the dollar, the value of the dollar will be reflected in the ability for our economy to be — to grow economically.”
He has an MBA? “[T]he ability of our economny to grow economically” ????
Syria–because we can.
We drink a lot of tap water now!
What brands are there? I go with store brands much as I can. It’s the exact same stuff, ya know?
They believe in Shock and Awe…create total chaos and control the world. World domination by force…and they “conveniently” got their Pearl Harbor…they are laughing at their imagined victories behind the scenes.
A-holes.
dontcha think that’s little too Manichean? (thank you ToddinHB for the link)
Yeah. Giulianni wasn’t even close when somebody asked him how much milk cost.
Dosido…LOL about drinking more water now! Much cheaper. ;-)
LS, did you hear George Bush describe al-Qaida’s role in Iraq today? He said they’re using it as a base to set up shop and make launches/attacks from. I said to myself, “Heeeeeeeeeeeeey, wait a cockapickin minute…that sounds like something you’d want!”.
I’m not fooled by him. Everything he says I think the opposite is true. I never take his words as exact and read only the middle line to get an understanding of what he is REALLY talking about. ;-)
The Matthews and Dowd brand of sexism are both defunct, typically found in remainder bins, at least around where I live. I wasn’t even a twinkle in anyone’s eye when they were being produced, so don’t know much about them.
Maybe if I were an old (or young) fart who hung around country clubs worrying about whether I could move up from a caddie to whatever is next in line, or the exact status of different varieties of townecar, then I might know something about them.
I don’t much care about party labels. I care about schools, health care, restoring ourselves to compatibility with the rest of the world. I care about peace, equality, fairness and the rule of law. I care about decent jobs and fair and equal pay. I care about the health of our planet. And most of all, I care about our kids.
new thread upstairs…
Thanks, jaywalker and dosido.
Thank yew! [bows graciously]
So McCain is willing to sell off the Public Radio and TV portion of the spectrum for a few thousand dollars in contributions from an attractive lobbyist from religious funadamentalist broadcasters.
What’s to get upset about?
I’ve heard worse about Obama:
The quote is based on four stories published by Joseph Farah at WorldNetDaily.
http://newsprism.wordpress.com…..eph-farah/
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