Comments on: Late Nite FDL: A Message to Ralph Nader http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/late-nite-fdl-a-message-to-ralph-nader/ Firedoglake weblog Sat, 28 Nov 2009 04:36:36 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: SueN http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/late-nite-fdl-a-message-to-ralph-nader/#comment-1305392 SueN Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:54:57 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/late-nite-fdl-a-message-to-ralph-nader/#comment-1305392 <p>““How about that Ralph Nader, ladies and gentlemen? He looks like …”</p> <p>This, in a nutshell, is why we end up with terrible disasters like Bush as our leader. He looked like …someone you could comfortably hang out and drink beer with. The superficiality in our media only reflects our superficial culture.</p> ““How about that Ralph Nader, ladies and gentlemen? He looks like …”

This, in a nutshell, is why we end up with terrible disasters like Bush as our leader. He looked like …someone you could comfortably hang out and drink beer with. The superficiality in our media only reflects our superficial culture.

]]> By: SueN http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/late-nite-fdl-a-message-to-ralph-nader/#comment-1305375 SueN Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:44:37 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/late-nite-fdl-a-message-to-ralph-nader/#comment-1305375 <p>“A media I might add that went out of it’s way to help Bush defeat Gore in 2000 and a media that was hostile to Edwards in 2008 when he tried to run on a progressive platform.”</p> <p>History repeats itself. The hostility that Gore faced is now magnified and focussed on Hillary. In addition to FOX “News”, I refuse to watch MisogynistNBC any more.</p> “A media I might add that went out of it’s way to help Bush defeat Gore in 2000 and a media that was hostile to Edwards in 2008 when he tried to run on a progressive platform.”

History repeats itself. The hostility that Gore faced is now magnified and focussed on Hillary. In addition to FOX “News”, I refuse to watch MisogynistNBC any more.

]]> By: SueN http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/late-nite-fdl-a-message-to-ralph-nader/#comment-1305349 SueN Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:35:52 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/late-nite-fdl-a-message-to-ralph-nader/#comment-1305349 <p>For a progressive site, there are a lot of cloistered views expressed here. Nader is an amazing American icon; a true hero whose efforts led to the clean air we breath and the clean water we drink, among many other regulations that the under-30 crowd appears to take for granted. For those who still blindly believe that Nader cost Gore the 2000 election, why don’t we just eliminate all trappings of democracy and just anoint your chosen idol as President? </p> <p>As much as I respected Al Gore, he faced a very hostile media that didn’t cut him any breaks and who instead fawned over a cipher that they preferred having a drink with instead of the boring, wonkish but highly experienced Gore. Because of this fixation on superficiality by the media and by enough of the American public, Gore even lost his home state. And it is Nader who gets blamed for being the spoiler - not the superficial and biased media or public or the Supreme Court. Anyone who has viewed the documentary A Unreasonable Man will likely come away with deep respect for Nader, as brutally honest and principled a person as any; a modern day equivalent of Diogenes. We all know that the current democratic candidates will pay lip-service to many of the causes that progressives hold dearly, and yet we repeatedly pin our hopes on them because the alternative is so much worse. Yes, the alternative is disastrous, but it is because how bad things are today that a woman and a Black man have a shot at the Presidency. Nader and his supporters have no illusions that he could upset the entrenched corrupt 2-party establishment, but they are not giving up on their principles and I greatly respect them for this.</p> For a progressive site, there are a lot of cloistered views expressed here. Nader is an amazing American icon; a true hero whose efforts led to the clean air we breath and the clean water we drink, among many other regulations that the under-30 crowd appears to take for granted. For those who still blindly believe that Nader cost Gore the 2000 election, why don’t we just eliminate all trappings of democracy and just anoint your chosen idol as President?

As much as I respected Al Gore, he faced a very hostile media that didn’t cut him any breaks and who instead fawned over a cipher that they preferred having a drink with instead of the boring, wonkish but highly experienced Gore. Because of this fixation on superficiality by the media and by enough of the American public, Gore even lost his home state. And it is Nader who gets blamed for being the spoiler – not the superficial and biased media or public or the Supreme Court. Anyone who has viewed the documentary A Unreasonable Man will likely come away with deep respect for Nader, as brutally honest and principled a person as any; a modern day equivalent of Diogenes. We all know that the current democratic candidates will pay lip-service to many of the causes that progressives hold dearly, and yet we repeatedly pin our hopes on them because the alternative is so much worse. Yes, the alternative is disastrous, but it is because how bad things are today that a woman and a Black man have a shot at the Presidency. Nader and his supporters have no illusions that he could upset the entrenched corrupt 2-party establishment, but they are not giving up on their principles and I greatly respect them for this.

]]> By: BoiseNick http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/late-nite-fdl-a-message-to-ralph-nader/#comment-1305281 BoiseNick Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:58:45 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/late-nite-fdl-a-message-to-ralph-nader/#comment-1305281 <p>Ralphie Boy’s ego is so much larger than his Love-O-Country , , , ” Only <strong>I</strong> can save the World…” he rants</p> Ralphie Boy’s ego is so much larger than his Love-O-Country , , , ” Only I can save the World…” he rants

]]> By: barryr http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/late-nite-fdl-a-message-to-ralph-nader/#comment-1304927 barryr Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:41:59 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/late-nite-fdl-a-message-to-ralph-nader/#comment-1304927 <p>There was a time when Nader was on TV a lot, and when he got called to testify before Congress. That doesn’t happen anymore (except when Nader is running for president). In Gaming the Vote, the author describes how both President Clinton and Vice President Gore refused to meet with Nader back in the 90s. </p> <p>I would put to you that what has changed is the media and the Democratic Party. They have learned how to neutralize people like Nader by freezing them out. </p> <p>I think it is more likely that Nader continues to fight for the causes he believes him year-round, but you don’t hear about it because he’s in a virtual “free-speech zone”.</p> There was a time when Nader was on TV a lot, and when he got called to testify before Congress. That doesn’t happen anymore (except when Nader is running for president). In Gaming the Vote, the author describes how both President Clinton and Vice President Gore refused to meet with Nader back in the 90s.

I would put to you that what has changed is the media and the Democratic Party. They have learned how to neutralize people like Nader by freezing them out.

I think it is more likely that Nader continues to fight for the causes he believes him year-round, but you don’t hear about it because he’s in a virtual “free-speech zone”.

]]> By: Anonymous http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/late-nite-fdl-a-message-to-ralph-nader/#comment-1304797 Anonymous Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:21:09 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/late-nite-fdl-a-message-to-ralph-nader/#comment-1304797 <blockquote><p>The clips were funny, but if Anonymous can take on scientology, why not Nader? I think Nader should take priority. How can we contact this Anonymous in order to submit a request for a project revision?</p></blockquote> <p>Anonymous is not your personal army.</p>

The clips were funny, but if Anonymous can take on scientology, why not Nader? I think Nader should take priority. How can we contact this Anonymous in order to submit a request for a project revision?

Anonymous is not your personal army.

]]> By: Anonymous http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/late-nite-fdl-a-message-to-ralph-nader/#comment-1304788 Anonymous Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:14:03 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/late-nite-fdl-a-message-to-ralph-nader/#comment-1304788 <blockquote><p>The clips were funny, but if Anonymous can take on scientology, why not Nader? I think Nader should take priority. How can we contact this Anonymous in order to submit a request for a project revision?</p></blockquote> <p>Anonymous is not your personal army.</p> <p>Join Anonymous for the second worldwide protest of the Church of Scientology on March 15. Google “youfoundthecard.com”</p> <p>We are Anonymous.</p> <p>We are Legion.</p> <p>We do not forgive.</p> <p>We do not forget.</p> <p>Expect us.</p>

The clips were funny, but if Anonymous can take on scientology, why not Nader? I think Nader should take priority. How can we contact this Anonymous in order to submit a request for a project revision?

Anonymous is not your personal army.

Join Anonymous for the second worldwide protest of the Church of Scientology on March 15. Google “youfoundthecard.com”

We are Anonymous.

We are Legion.

We do not forgive.

We do not forget.

Expect us.

]]> By: brandane http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/late-nite-fdl-a-message-to-ralph-nader/#comment-1304696 brandane Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:15:43 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/late-nite-fdl-a-message-to-ralph-nader/#comment-1304696 <p>I don’t think so, I voted for Gore, I voted for Kerry, I voted for Edwards, I voted for JFK abut I will not vote for any Democrata until Pelosi, Conyers, Leahy et al do their civic duty and protect this constitution of these United States.</p> I don’t think so, I voted for Gore, I voted for Kerry, I voted for Edwards, I voted for JFK abut I will not vote for any Democrata until Pelosi, Conyers, Leahy et al do their civic duty and protect this constitution of these United States.

]]> By: Anonymous http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/late-nite-fdl-a-message-to-ralph-nader/#comment-1304690 Anonymous Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:11:49 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/late-nite-fdl-a-message-to-ralph-nader/#comment-1304690 <blockquote> <p>Post #43 - The clips were funny, but if Anonymous can take on scientology, why not Nader? I think Nader should take priority. How can we contact this Anonymous in order to submit a request for a project revision?</p></blockquote> <p>Anonymous is not your personal army.</p> <p><a href="http://www.youfoundthecard.com" rel="nofollow">Join Anonymous’</a> second <a href="http://www.enturbulation.org" rel="nofollow">worldwide protest</a> of the Church of Scientology on March 15. </p> <p>We are Anonymous.</p> <p>We are Legion.</p> <p>We do not Forgive. </p> <p>We do not Forget. </p> <p>Expect us.</p>

Post #43 – The clips were funny, but if Anonymous can take on scientology, why not Nader? I think Nader should take priority. How can we contact this Anonymous in order to submit a request for a project revision?

Anonymous is not your personal army.

Join Anonymous’ second worldwide protest of the Church of Scientology on March 15.

We are Anonymous.

We are Legion.

We do not Forgive.

We do not Forget.

Expect us.

]]> By: brandane http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/late-nite-fdl-a-message-to-ralph-nader/#comment-1304635 brandane Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:33:56 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/late-nite-fdl-a-message-to-ralph-nader/#comment-1304635 <p>Gee, and I thought FDL was a more genteel blog than the right wing nuttery like drudge or something.</p> Gee, and I thought FDL was a more genteel blog than the right wing nuttery like drudge or something.

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