Jane!

Get lost, Ralph.

I fricking love seatbelts. Hey Jane :)

This is funny. I wonder if there will be many votes for ‘ol Ralph. [[[RALPH]]]. Where’s he getting the money to run? Does he have a job, or does he live on McCain/Feingold?

lolNader

He probably lives on the contributions of devotees like my poor late sister. I suppose there still are people who will vote for him?

Poor Ralph, bless his little heart, it’s not his fault that he makes me wanna ralph.

Who’s payin’ ya Ralph??

Go Away!!!

Letterman: Top Ten Nader Campaign Promises

I fricking love seatbelts.

I love seat belts but I HATE seat belt laws

they could have gotten more compliance if they just allowed the insurance companies to add an opt in;

“I promise to wear a seat belt”

they would have recieved lower rates and if in an accident without a seat belt the insurance company would give less coverage

voluntary compliance instead of mandated compliance…who’da thunk?

I like Ralph.

Can I be the first here to say STFU Ralph?

From wiki:

Personal finances

According to the mandatory fiscal disclosure report that he filed with the Federal Election Commission in 2000, he then owned more than $3 million worth of stocks and mutual fund shares; his single largest holding was more than $1 million worth of stock in Cisco Systems, Inc. He also held more than $2 million in two money market funds. Nader owns no car or real estate, and says he lives on US$25000 a year and gives most of his stock earnings to many of the over four dozen non-profit organizations he has founded[61][62]

Based on previous disclosure forms, his stock portfolio (thru the Fidelity Magellan Fund) includes: Halliburton, Occidental Petroleum, the Limited, the Gap, Wal-Mart, Exxon-Mobil, Shell Oil Company, Sunoco, Texaco, Chevron Corporation, Raytheon (a major missile manufacturer), other various defense contractors, and Bristol-Myers Squibb. [63] [64] [65]

In 1990, Forbes magazine reported that Ralph Nader lives in a $1.5 million mansion that had the deed under his sister’s name.[66]

Click through for the links.

Ralph will give us: McBush.

A-hole.

Oh, how I’ve just howled! Having a belly laugh just before you go to bed is good for the soul. Jane, thanks for this! [heads off to bed, dragging stuffed bunny and giggling]

lol, yeah, no special interests there.

me, i found voluntary compliance just meant more traffic fatalities. it took mandatory child seat laws before kids stopped paying the price for their parents’ stubbornness about proper restraints.

but that’s just me.

I’ve seen too many folks (usually in the funeral home) who weren’t wearing seat belts at the wrong time. Suzanne probably has seen more, closer to the time of impact.

But I’m not trying to compete with Suzanne. If you’ve seen one, you’ve seen too many.

Ralph has stock in Halliburton? And five oil companies???

hey LL - very nicely done STFU :)

Made me laugh the second time, too.

It’s just funny.

Nice stock portfolio, RALPH.

aw thanks Suz :-)

You know, if Nader were serious about getting into a position of power, where he could actually maybe do some good, he would swallow a little bit and run as a Democrat. But no-he would rather be ideologically pure, and lose.
If Ralph Nader would run as a Democrat, I wonder how strong his support would be?

From the sounds of that wiki piece, he has been invested in a large mutual fund, and those are some of the choices they made for the fund he put his money into.

On the one hand, it’s not like he said “Gosh, I think I’ll pick up some Halliburton stock today.” On the other hand, though, he obviously didn’t care whether someone else made that choice on his behalf.

I HATE seat belt laws

also consider the first responders who have to deal with the gruesome mess of people thrown thru windshields, motorcyclists who ignore helmet laws and end up with their brains all over the street. Somebody has to clean up after the irresponsible actions of others.

and what Suzanne says @17

Amen.

I like seat belt laws.

I do not like Ralph running for president.

Ralph, stick to what you do best.

yes it is!

Yep — and Suz knows this too, but how many accidents have we heard about in which victims would probably have survived if only they’d worn their seatbelts?

Dear Ralph Nader, and I mean this most sincerely,

Please get the fuck out of this presidential campaign. Really.

Loved your public health stuff. Hate how you could be a spoiler–again.

Signed,
A former admirer

Please get the fuck out of this presidential campaign. Really.

*polite golf applause*

I wonder if a little birdie *cough darth cheney cough* influenced Ralphie’s decision to try to siphon Dem votes in the general.

There was a time when I liked Nader. Not now.

Ralphie, you be careful out there

sadly replying to my own comment,

Somebody has to clean up after the irresponsible actions of others.

is also a slap at the current administration.
Bush sucks, but Nader?
he can go f*** a Corvair.

Hey Suz,
That’s my backyard, and he better not come here.

portfolio (thru the Fidelity Magellan Fund) includes: Halliburton, Occidental Petroleum, the Limited, the Gap, Wal-Mart, Exxon-Mobil, Shell Oil Company, Sunoco, Texaco, Chevron Corporation, Raytheon (a major missile manufacturer), other various defense contractors, and Bristol-Myers Squibb. [63] [64] [65]

….

Nader lives in a $1.5 million mansion

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Ralph is not into ‘lifestyle issues’ I heard him say it himself on the toob during one of his previous vanity campaigns…

This guy is like the n-teenth lame coming of goofus, erzats but irritatingly self-righteous political Jesus every four years. Armageddon is unleashed, except because he loses and screws everything up.

Blimp/Corvair 08!!!111

Nader’s credibility has long passed.

pffffffffffftttt

this judicious application of Ralph-B-Gon ™ was brought to you by STFUR Enterprises.

spew

The clips were funny, but if Anonymous can take on scientology, why not Nader? I think Nader should take priority. How can we contact this Anonymous in order to submit a request for a project revision?

“Can I be the first here to say STFU Ralph?”

That’s a rather undemocratic thing to say.

In terms of his platform, isn’t Ralph more “progressive” than either Obama or Clinton?

Our concerns about Nader are really based on the politics of raw power, rather than progressive principle, aren’t they?

Bob in HI

You know, if Nader were serious about getting into a position of power, where he could actually maybe do some good, he would swallow a little bit and run as a Democrat. But no-he would rather be ideologically pure, and lose.

How can he call himself ideologically pure if he holds stock in Halliburton? Can we spell HYPOCRITE?

Our concerns about Nader are really based on the politics of raw power, rather than progressive principle, aren’t they?

That would be a “NO.”

“All the candidates from both parties are the same…”
Famous last words.

Did it work? Let us know, seevooplay.

Hmm.. wonder if the old French is rusty.

Hi Bob, I was mainly saying that in the spirit of the video up top. Nader has done a lot of good with consumer issues, but IMO he’s irrelevant in this race.

Sounds like you bought it in a spray can. I think we need traps. Lots of traps. Problem is where to put them. Where will the dude appear this time. I think Dunkin Donuts will ban the guy before long. And I’m not sure where else he might go.

yeah, ET said he does some writing for counterpunch. If i had more i’d read em.

Gotta wonder why he wouldn’t join with progressives tho to help to push the party left from within.

This is great! We are anonymous. We are legion.

Too cool. Thanks, Jane!

Time and place for everything.

We have the opportunity, if we don’t royally screw it up again, to have a Democratic president to sign legislation passed by the Democratic Senate and House.

Yes Obama and Clinton have flaws. Surprise—they are human beings. But right now the choice is between them and McCain [or HuckaMitt]. We can dream and consider life philosophically, but there comes a time to take action—impure action—to choose among impure alternatives.

Democratic president now, better Democrats in the House and Senate, better more progressive candidates in the future.

Does an alternative scenario exist that I am somehow missing?

I agreed with that at the time even tho i voted gore. It took bush to make gore look, or become, liberal

mr wobbly: oh gawd nooo, not this wanker again

tee-hee, love that word

You know, if Nader were serious about getting into a position of power, where he could actually maybe do some good, he would swallow a little bit and run as a Democrat. But no-he would rather be ideologically pure, and lose.
If Ralph Nader would run as a Democrat, I wonder how strong his support would be?

Nader has a perfect right to run and he is correct that the current Democratic candidates have serious flaws. That said, he and everyone inclined to vote for him will recall the effect of his candidacy on the outcome of the 2000 campaign. I would hope that the eventual Democratic nominee would move sufficiently far to the left to acquire Nader’s endorsement, or lacking that, the votes of everyone inclined to vote for him.

yeah i like that

works great w/ robo-voc

it’s not like he said “Gosh, I think I’ll pick up some Halliburton stock today.” On the other hand, though, he obviously didn’t care whether someone else made that choice on his behalf.

It sounds to me like about the worst thing one can honestly attack Nader for wrt the stock portfolio is that he failed to supervise. Be interesting to see what he does, if good sense does not prevail and he stays in the race.

wobblybits — me too! Excellent word.

Many of the things we are aware of today in relation to corporations are because of Nader. The problem is that when he gets votes…we end up under the control of the very people he exposed. We cannot ever get off the gerbil wheel, because of the way he enters the race. He ends up being destructive. It is the method, not the message.

Agree to a certain extent.
But with all we knew about Chimpy back then, and not somehow discovered later, which of the 2 (Gore-Bush) would you have laid money on to invade Iraq?

i like to think of him as a little wanker

idk, policy flaws goes a little beyond human flaws.

“Can I be the first here to say STFU Ralph?”

no, but you can be the second.

STFUR Enterprises claims to hold the copyright.

Nadar has stock in Halliburton? If true, then what else do you need to know.

Nader also has a perfect right to try to build a third party movement that might have some positive impact between elections. Or a non-partisaon movement, or do something constructive. Swooping in every four years like he is some kind of political savior accomplishes nothing, at best.

I think he has turned into a vain messianic self-righteous and destructive fool (might get some serious backing if he were GOP). Totaly bogus at this point, after all the good work he has done in the past.

bloody wanker is even better, lol.

Syria is in danger of getting attacked.

I’d sooner recycle dental floss than accord Ralph Nader the time of day.

punaise, see me at #12 ;-)

And it’s not like he isn’t smart enough to realize it either.

No fighting over who was first to denounce Ralph.

gotta link?

well shit, that’s why i voted gore because i knew nader wouldn’t win and that bush would have a war.

wes — or was it renounce?

No fighting-LL wins.

Goodnight, all. The best of all possible tomorrows to you all.

many times, ego overrides the brain

lol that is my husband’s words, not mine. I just ignore him and hope if enough people do the same, he’ll go away.

I hate it when that happens. :~)

g’nite rond

boa noite, ron

The NHTSA had an emergency room doc as administrator for it from 2001-2005 who now is the Chief Med Officer at DHS.

While at NHTSA, he conducted several seat belt studies and several SUV rollover studies.

The results of the seatbelt studies are obvious. The SUV rollover studies showed a significant increase in C-Spine fractures causing death or paralysis–about 16% whether they rolled over on their own or in collisions with another vehicle.

These studies helped drive more stablity in SUVs but not near enough.

Another study by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety found that in SUV collions with non-SUV cars, the U.S. has 1000 deaths a year because of the difference in height between the SUV front ends/grills and cars.

The study, by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, using data from the auto industry and the federal government, found that in side-impact collisions the number of deaths fell by nearly half when automakers lowered S.U.V.’s by as little as half an inch or equipped them with hollow impact-absorbing bars below the front and rear bumpers.

From Gains Seen in Redesign of S.U.V.’s

The changes are intended to reduce the frequency of S.U.V.’s and pickups’ sliding over cars’ doorsills and bumpers and piercing deep into cars’ passenger compartments.

The changes also reduced by a fifth the risk that an S.U.V. would kill a belted car driver in a frontal collision. The same changes in pickups produced smaller but still significant safety gains. Not since the air bag has a safety standard been so effective in saving lives, experts say.

“To cut somebody’s risk of death in half, that’s huge,” said Ricardo Martinez, the top auto safety regulator during the Clinton administration. “That’s almost as good as seat belts. You’re lucky if a new regulation gets you a 5 or 10 percent reduction in the death rate.”

Study Says Height Makes S.U.V.’s Dangerous in Collisions

Congress has mandated lowering SUV height that will take effect in about 5 years. In the meantime, the height discrepancy will cause 1000 deaths per year. Those are the amount of deaths apparently that Congress feels it can tolerate while it gives the auto industry several years to comply with safety.

Good. With your whole brain, and my half brain, we came to the same conclusion.
Ralph? Not so much.

ralph that is (ignore), not mr wobbly

laughing - cause you know i was wonderin…

Have to agree there. I didn’t know a lot about Bush then, but I heard him debate, and it was clear the man was a dumbshit.

i guess, but after almost a decade of thought on the issue, if his ego is that big, seems like he’d have thought up a better solution by now.

my contempt for Nader is less constant than that for HoJo, but not necessarily less intense.

I saw Ralph’s sister recently in a restaurant in Berkeley. She teaches at the university. Looks just like him. But is rather more reasonable of late.

Ralph.

sometimes, one can get caught in the circular trap of thinking they are the solution when they are in fact, part of the problem.

Ralph with less hair color, but with lip gloss.

punaise, if I spoke French I’d say something like “it’s ok, mon ami” ;-)

Ralph.

Done.

lol, not saying i’m brainy or anything and i don’t take you for someone who would vote on sut-pilot.

funny video. I followed the link to the anonymous video, and then got sucked into the whole anonymous campaign against scientology. That is some wierd crap.

Do you renouce, denounce, dismissiviely pronounce, and implacably ver-trounce the wicked goofus Nader? Yes or no?

i voted for ralph in 2000 because there wasn’t really any difference between the parties. I was horribly mistaken.

i’d have a lot more respect for him if he’d spent the time between then and now actually trying to build a real 3rd party. Coming out every election or two to get some time in the spotlight and screw things up does not earn much respect …

where’s his lapel flag pin?

Good night, RonD. Best possible tomorrow to you!

merci LL!

I scored 100%.

http://reverent.org/donald_jud.....iture.html

I may need to get out more.

:)
rm my last then tw3k

Furthermore it looks like the imminent loss of Punaise’ teeth is on Nader’s head as well.

It is disgusting man. Think of the loss, the evil, the sorrow, the French lisps, this man has caused.

well that makes to me. I try not to fall into that trap myself.

Ralph Nader had a perfect right to siphon off enough votes to screw the country by “electing” George W. Bush and all the evil he has wrought.

fork, i only got 50%

cool, now i gotta go look!

My contempt for Ralph knows some bounds (unlike my contempt for Joe Lieberman), but not very many.

But the real beauty of it is that there is a 90% chance that said SUV will have a Bush/Cheney sticker on it.

I think I could replace Russert. I will be glad ot moderate debates between any of you Nader haters, for a small fee or free meal, or a few beers.

“Look here is a picture of Nader. Will you punch it right here? In front of the audience. Oh, I see, you will ignore it and dismiss it, and throw in the trash, but you won’t punch it. So you secretly support Nader? So you’ll break your word, huh? Won’t protect the country. This is reality. Next topic.”

donald judd … hmmm… yrs in ignorance. maybe i need to get out more too!

Just to play Devil’s advocate for a minute,
If Mike Gravel can run for President, why can’t Nader?
Gravel is wayyy the hell out there.