Fred Wertheimer of Democracy 21 gives a statement to Marc Ambinder blasting the position McCain is taking with regard to opting out of the public financing system:
The shut down of the Federal Election Commission has taken center stage because there is no functioning agency to deal with the issue of whether bank loans taken out by Senator John McCain (R-AZ), and the collateral provided for those bank loans, means that Senator McCain cannot withdraw from the presidential primary public financing system and is bound by its spending limits for the rest of his primary campaign.
That's not a "punt," that's a clear determination. Democracy 21 says McCain has to abide by the spending limits set by the public financing system, which he is has probably already exceeded. Which means by law, it is their opinion that McCain should be dead in the water and unable to spend any more money until the general. (Ambinder missed this the first time around, but to his credit caught it and corrected it.)
All of McCain's fancy footwork in his loan application that offered up public financing money as collateral without actually offering it up is highly dubious. Wertheimer is saying that unless the FEC can rule on it, McCain is stuck. (For more on this, see Mark Schmidt's explanation.)
Wertheimer also says that the legal issues involved are complicated (very true) and that there is a strong need for the FEC to be reconstituted such that they can rule on things like this. He also pushes back against the disingenuous spin of people like George Will that it is the hold put on Von Spakovsky's nomination by Obama, Feingold and others which is holding things up. (Although as a side note, I have to say Will's concurrence that McCain's campaign is "run by lobbyists" is nice). Wertheimer says that it is the obstructionism of Mitch McConnell, who will not let each of the four nominees be individually voted on, that is gumming up the works -- a de facto demand that Von Spakovsky be approved, or the FEC cannot operate without a quorum and is thus non-functional.
(As Ryan Grimm notes in the Politico this morning, keeping all the regulatory boards powerless and frozen is all the rage -- the Consumer Product Safety Commission, the Council of Economic Advisers, the National Labor Relations Board and the Federal Mine Safety and Health Review Commission are all crippled because their boards don't have enough members to meet, don't have enough to call a quorum or are missing functioning numbers to operate. It suits Bush's anti-regulatory impulse just fine, but as Grimm notes, "the federal government is running on fumes.")
Anyway, to recap: John McCain's staunchest ally on campaign finance reform, Fred Wertheimer, says that it is illegal for him to be doing what he is doing.
Good for Wertheimer. That's headline news.
Update: Hugh argues that Wertheimer's ambiguous wording could also be interpreted to mean "since the FEC is shut down, there's nobody to determine whether McCain is operating legally or not." I think it could also fairly be read that way, too.
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Buenos dias, Jane!
Hey Jane!
Wonder what his bank thinks of all this - the amazing disappearing collateral.
Thanks for your two tributes to Bill Buckley yesterday, Jane.
The FEC is even more dysfunctional right now than most Bush- influenced agencies. What a grand design these creeps have….
Tell you what, makes me nervous since I have a CD with that bank.
McCain needs to FEC off!
Hi Jane -
It’s an election year and there is no Federal Election Commission.
No one is watching the henhouse. This will get interesting.
I’ll tell you what I smell. I smell the rethugs getting ready to contest the 2008 election, that’s what I smell.
They’re going to try and throw it to SCOTUS again.
But what does it really mean? Does Fred Wertheimer have any power to enforce his position?
“Fred Wertheimer Blasts McCain”
That’s “John Sidney McCain III” to you!
I think we should refer to all candidates with their middle names. If it’s good enough for Barak Hussein Obama, it’s good enough for John Sidney McCain III and Michael Dale Huckabee.
(h/t to TBogg)
Headline news?
It should be headline news…
tw3k - completely OT, but wanted to make sure you saw my thanks for the chocolate chip pancake suggestions. yum yum.
back to mccain now…
and willard watsisname.
Thanks, I’ll try it Sunday, that’s my pancake day :)
Mork.
FEC can’t function as a result of Republican intervention. Amazing, that.
Roves little plan to stack the FEC was discovered and headed off.
Now their hands are tied because Stupie keeps stomping his little boots because everybody knows Von Spazatsky’ was a repub plant and the up or down all or none that Stupie wants aint. gonna. happen.
Meanwhile, McStain is now hamstrung by the very law he sponsored.
I’m lovin’ it.
they turned out really well, if i do say so myself *g* (i think the white (not red) whole wheat flour is key - king arthur makes some that is sold in trader joe’s).
Does KMart have a blue light special for Vote McCain yet?
Maybe he can buy in bulk.
I need to recreate my old oatmeal pancake recipe. That was a good one and might benefit from the required ingredient, bittersweet choc!
Now, I’m gong to focus on coffee before I start to get hungry :)
well, the colateral is there, but mccain has to use the public funds to cover it, if he does, he’s out of money
if mccain can use private funding, then the colateral is paid for by that
so either way, the banks are covered
unless of course mccain spent more then his loans, which would actually mean he took out even more loans against his original loans
Even if John Sidney McCain III gets off with a little wrist slap on this one, it’ll still tie his campaign up in knots, keep him off-message, and maybe, just maybe, cause a public meltdown in response to a reporter’s question.
Karma is a beautiful, beautiful thing.
I think there is a law requiring bananas to be sliced and heated in maple syrup as a topping for all chocolate chip oatmeal pancakes… but I may be wrong.
there is yet to be the karma that will bring us full circle, that karma would mean criminals are brought to the bar of justice, the booty of their crimes returned from whence it came
I don’t think either of those are gonna happen
McCain was trying to get away with having his cake and eating it, too. It’s great that he’s finally getting his comeuppance.
Thanks for staying on this story.
What would be interesting is if there is a huge Dem turnout and decisive exit polls favoring the Dems and even a wind close or otherwise and the pukes try to take this result away like to the court (where they are assured to prevail) and to see the people take to the streets and surround the court.
A little bit of peer pressure.
It could get interesting and even confrontational, especially with all the new young franchised voters who want to see some change. I don’t see them as cyncial and resigned as the older folks who have been beaten into submission.
A little people power is in order in this nation and it would put the congress on notice to get with the program.
I do believe you are right on this.
i’m checking in with you this weekend for recipe ideas. that sounds great.
arg, hungry now!!!
OT -durbin on the senate floor giving a very good speech outlining FISA issues.
It would seem that if the past is to be trusted the thieves will walk away unscathed with the ill gotten gain.
What this nation needs disparately in 09 is a truth and reconciliation and ACCOUNTABILITY commission.
OFF TOPIC– keep your eyes on the latest explosion in Pakistan folks. Lets see who got killed in this one!
selise, can you get a clip from the House up on youTube for me? Last night our friend John Hall (D-NY) gave a speech on the floor of the House on energy independence and alternative energy. It ended around 7:40 pm (including accolades).
I only caught the tail end so I’d really like to see the whole thing and I’m sure fellow pups would appreciate it too. Shows we aren’t just spinning our wheels here. :)
That and the inspiring American Masters (PBS) on Pete Seeger made last night a real joy!
OT- durbin now moving on to iraq and the lies & climate of fear that was used to push for war.
twolf, those pancakes made Monday one of the tastiest ever! I should charge you for each and every pound.
OK, I’ll be here!
It seems to me that this may be part of the plan:
Election crisis of rehthug making>large popular outpouring of anger over court ruling>people take action, take to the streets>
national guardblackwater called out>national emergency>martial law>Bush dictatorship>end of constitutional democracy.The immunity thing is just about providing cover to the big donors in the steno pool. These guys ain’t that hurting for profits and the real damage of these law suits is yet to be even predicted let alone determined. And of course there probably is no personal liability for those involved. Corporations don’t do jail time and they pay off for liability claims from the corporation’s till. The whole issue is about REVEALING what was done and how illegal it was and how everyone in this country had the “data” and communications “recorded”.
That sure made it easy to … blackmail just about anyone should the “need” arise. Ha?
As I said yesterday, I found the Democracy 21 statement much more equivocal than you. I don’t think it means what you think it does.
If you look at a simplified version of the key clause, it says this:
This doesn’t say that McCain must stay in the public financing system but rather that the FEC can not (because of its lack of a quorum) adjudicate the issue.
This is a punt as Wertheimer makes clear later in the press release:
As I pointed out yesterday, FEC chairman David Mason’s letter to the McCain campaign makes it clear that the legal questions are not close.
right on the money sanderO
we can begin the process of reclaiming our dignity if we initiate accountability, we can regain the high road and once again be the beacon of democracy
sadly, none of us expect that to happen, all we can do is hope
grover is pleased.
elliot - i wasn’t recording from c-span1 yesterday (so i don’t have good quality video), but i could probably rip you a youtube from the c-span archives (thanks tw3k!). is this the hall statement you want?
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/.....id=8379371
Put the oatmeal in the blender till it’s like flour, then mix half flour/half oatmeal.
I agree with you, I read that to say “we can’t make a decision no matter what mccain does”
yes please! Oh thank you.
I soaked the oatmeal in milk then lightly stirred to retain the shape and texture on the oats. some egg for binder and iirc some baking powder.
SIDNEY???
Why in God’s name haven’t we all been pumping this for all it’s worth? Jesus. Sometimes the blogosphere is so fucking angry & blind…
Yum.
i thought we were happily distracted by pancakes!
got it. converting it now.
Bush basically said today that McBush isn’t necessarily going to be the Puke nominee…
yeah and now i’m hungry, lol :)
after listening to bush’s presser, i needed some temporary distractions.
and last week or the week before I heard romney talking about re enetering the race when he heard about mccains lobby trouble
imagine if mutt was still in the race now?
there is no way no how mutt would allow mccain to spend more money or get away with the lobbying staff on his campaign trail
bush to mccain;
“john, meet bus, bus, this is john
joy of cooking has a recipe which calls for cooked oatmeal and evaporated milk.
one anagram of McCain’s name is “Comedy Ninja Chins” which so works with the pic from Blue Texan’s last post
there’s a vicious rumor out there that he was named after Sidney Poitier.
/s
i thought listening to a bush presser _was_ a distraction ;)
I see what you mean, Hugh, and have added a note at the end of the post. I think it could be interpreted both ways.
FEC ruling or not, it is apparent that McStain has serious problems.
Campaign finance reform scandle, oatmeal chocolate pancakes, Sidney, Bush dangling John Sidney by the balls again - did I miss something this morning? I think that covers it. I’m going for the pancakes, myself.
OT: Nader announcing running mate
I take it to mean that in the absence of an operating FEC to rule otherwise, the default is the stricter interpretation.
is it Nader 2000 or Nader 2004?
yeah… a very cursory review on tuesday made me wonder if we’re not seeing some republican infighting and we’re (the dems/progressives/left of center) are jumping in on the side of the anti-mccain faction.
this is all just the realm of wild speculation…. so please don’t take it as anything more than a question (or really a series of questions).
1. doesn’t mccain look dirty as hell from his time on the indian affairs committee? especially with regard to apparently threatening and potentially blackmailing the abramoff wing? and then covering up for them?
2. doesn’t it seem weird that the nyt would write a piece on mccain’s relationships with lobbyists by focusing on time when mccain (on the commerce committee) was involved in the debate over telco consolidation. an issue where the nyt sure looks far, far more corrupt than mccain (who was one of only a handful of senators to vote against the telecomunicaitons bill in (i think) 1996? isn’t that in issue where the dems look very bad?
3. were the sources of the recent nyt piece sourced to republicans?
so why does the nyt focus on an issue that (as far as i know) mccain was not as corrupt as either the MSM or the clinton administration and ignore the issue that looks (to me in my ignorance) to be the real dirt on mccain?
just does not compute for me.
OT: I’ve heard MSNBC state or imply that Obama may have lost or been weak, during the last debate, over the Farrakhan exchange. In one case the MSM talking head said that it would have been best if he had gone ahead and rejected Farrakhan early in the discussion. My own understanding, and review of the dictionary, indicates that denounce is actually a more applicable term and is a somewhat more severe repudiation than to reject. It might be worthwile if one of the posters consider including a brief discussion of this matter in any near future post regarding cheap racist attacks on Obama.
I doubt the cons will see it that way.
2008..heheh Matt Gonzalez is his choice. Trying to woo the conscious latino voter?
Anybody want to hold their breath waiting for St Mac to abide?
I saw a snippet or two here and there that now they are trying to drive a wedge in over his stance on Israel.
They are desperately chipping away all over the fucking place trying to find ANYTHING at this point that will stick.
Witness the flap over the stupid lapel pin for evidence of their desperation.
Why would John Sidney listen to the FEC regardles of rules, laws, fairness when the Repugs have ignored all other rules and laws that didn’t suit them.(Rhetorical, not a real question.) It’s like playing a game with my nine year old granddaughter who changes the rules whenever it doesn’t suit her and applies new rules for me when she is losing.
Appropriate analogy. they ARE nine years old.
A case study in arrested development.
Robert Scheer addressed this in his column yesterday:
OT
Here’s our Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, John Roberts, as quoted in today’s WaPo:
To which I reply: “Is our children learning?”
A member of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors for VP?
Is he kidding?
exactly!
And Farrakhan would hate to see Obama win because he would have to change his rhetoric after all these years. If he can sabotage Obama by any means, he can continue with business as usual. So far, Obama is weakening Farrakhan’s truth.
I know you are making a grammer joke but roberts doesn’t know what more a company could do?
the answer is;
“MAKE SURE YOUR PILOTS AREN’T DRUNK”
howz that roberts?
i should have also said… i don’t expect to be able to do a good survey of the available info in order to figure this one out for myself. i was hoping that someone here already understood the back story and could explain it to me.
digg this and the msm will notice - ;~)
How about, for starters, making sure your Chief Justices aren’t impaired? Bad enough the Preznit is . . .
I think McCain simply took his stance because he knew it pass anyway, it’d help market him as independently minded and obscure his relations with lobbyists.
if i were republican political operative who wanted to safely attack mccain, i’d pick something that if followed up carefully would lead to more corruption by the outlet i’m leaking to and the opposing party. i wouldn’t pick something that would, if followed up, lead to abramoff and his crew of republicans.
OT
Good Morning-beautiful job on the bus-My only question heavily inflluenced by my past-where is Wavy Gravy.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10792061/from/RL.5/
dugg
could very well be, but my point is that on this issue the nyt and the dems look more corrupt than mccain. why not publish something on an issue (indian affairs) where he looks to be one of the most corrupt pols in the country?
(how is that for some fantastic lurking)
sure helps to bring the clinton name into the mix as well.
Everything c-span airs is archived within 10 minutes on their website. You can pull up any speech given back to 1999. They are working on the rest as we speak.
Aside from the poor grammar, a company is indeed responsible for hiring drunks who are in responsible positions that can endanger lives of others in their hands.
In fact, if an employee makes sexual comments to a female employee and she complains, that employee is put on probation, immediately, and watched carefully. Should he continue with this behavior, he’s fired. In one company I was in when a male called a female employee bitch, he was fired immediately and the company held a meeting that evening just to make certain all employees got the message.
Roberts is in the dark ages. But, maybe he slaps his wife around and bullies others when he’s drunk so he thinks this is fine behavior.
To the likes of Roberts and Scalia, the Great Unwashed Insolent Little People need to Get Over It. Life is unfair, and we simply cannot burden our Captains of Industry with meaningful liability for the actions of the drunken captains of their ships.
A member of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors for VP?
Is he kidding?
former member. one-time challenger to Gavin Newsom for mayor, running far to his left.
Cheney/Bushco should have hired the c-span tech crew to archive then they wouldn’t have lost e-mails. Better, just let c-span do the hiring for them since c-span is much smarter and knows what its doing.
so, I’m naive …
Who’s Democracy 21 and why do we care about them? Are they attached to FEC in any way? Or just an advocacy group?
yrs in ignorance …
I thought the same thing.
They are trying but they aren’t going to succeed. Not because Obama has a teflon surface, but because he and his wife are sharp as rasors (her especially) and they plotted this whole thing out a year in advance. It is no coincidence, Comradesm(as we used to say) that he always has a cool and devastating response to whatever shit gets tossed his way. They knew every bit of it coming in advance.
This throws the thugs and their MSM employees off their game. Very frustrating to the Russert’s and the Tweety’s and, further down the food chain, the Brooksie’s and the Will’s. The more they thrash, the more they expose themselves. It’s like boxing and chess all mixed up together.
the new archive is great - but in my experience does not update within 10 min. and the back to 1999 is only by request - not everything is available on line.
usually they have things up w/in a day, though. the link i gave elliot was a link to the appropriate page of the c-span archive.
Prince Harry is in the shit in Afghanistan, good on ya mate!
Careful or you’re going to make someone angry…
We can always tell when John “Mellowman” McCain’s about to erupt. Mount St.McCain’s eyes grow beady and his expression gnarly, and his lip curls up into a sneer just before he blows up… And it is inevitable he will “lose it” more than once between now and November, and hopefully that he will lose it in November….
Especially if, after one of his fearful conjectures about the Islamic threat we face, some reporters are willing to ask him if he read David Ignatius’ column today, or just ask him if he has read the book Ignatius features in that article, by Marc Sageman, that defies McCain’s fear-and-warmongering about worldwide jihad. Like Larry Johnson, Scott Ritter and some other noble excptions, Sageman is a real expert, who deals in reality-based research, not delusional propaganda.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..inionsbox1
If McCain claims to have more expertise than Sageman, and disputes this expert’s opinion, he just proves again that his casual walk through McCain Plaza in Baghdad was one more horse and pony show contrived to deceive the American public and conceal our diplomatic failures behind a curtain of questionable military “progress.”
From what I recall, and from what we are seeing now, McCain’s straight-talk express has always been driven on a crooked road…
The more I think about it the more your explanation makes sense.
The committee can not rule that McCain must stay in the program, therefore, McCain does not need to stay in the program.
How convenient.
Here is sourcewatch on Demacracy 21.
The more I think about the FEC with 2 comissioners instead of the 4 that they need and the 6 that the plod along with normally, and this situation, I don’t think much is going to happen. It’s a big story now, but I predict it will recede into the fog of inertia soon.
The NYT article yesterday quoted Ken Gross, a D.C. attorney who often helps both parties interpret financing issues who said:
Democrats Raise Legal Point Over McCain and Ohio as He Opts Out of Public Money
I’m inclined to agree–I think Dean’s letter will probably go nowhere except as part of the Democratic campaign rhetoric.
Of course McCain is wrong, but I’m afraid he’s skated. Obviously he manipulated the bank, and there’s no one to do anything about this anyway.
No candidate is going to be part of public financing, and no Congress is going to pass the laws on election financing to change this anytime soon.
i soak mine in hot milk w/o blending/chopping while i mix up the other dry ingreds for the pancakes and then add the oatmeal/hot-milk mix as liquids.
that’s awfully easy …
Another tried and true method of keeping the rabble from voting;
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02.....ref=slogin
What a relief it is to have a Dem candidate who knows how to handle the attacks. From political opponents, both declared and embedded in the MSM.
thanks.