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		<title>By: STTPinOhio</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/27/late-nite-fdl-more-buckley/#comment-1303813</link>
		<dc:creator>STTPinOhio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“&lt;em&gt;All he ever was was the advance man for the horrors we’re living with today. Do you really think that if we had 4,000 Buckleys in place of the 4,000 worst reThug assholes we have today that there’d be no Iraq war? no Afghanistan war? that they’d be holding bipartisan chats in Central Park with Jane Fonda and Barbra Streisand? He was just the smooth talking block captain of the time. He spawned monsters. Enough already with the misty eyed reminiscences of the ancien regime. Jesus wept. He was a vicious little prick.&lt;/em&gt;“&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What he or she said!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jane, I really think the world of you, but we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. (Born in the fifties, BTW.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“<em>All he ever was was the advance man for the horrors we’re living with today. Do you really think that if we had 4,000 Buckleys in place of the 4,000 worst reThug assholes we have today that there’d be no Iraq war? no Afghanistan war? that they’d be holding bipartisan chats in Central Park with Jane Fonda and Barbra Streisand? He was just the smooth talking block captain of the time. He spawned monsters. Enough already with the misty eyed reminiscences of the ancien regime. Jesus wept. He was a vicious little prick.</em>“</p>
<p>What he or she said!</p>
<p>Jane, I really think the world of you, but we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. (Born in the fifties, BTW.)</p>
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		<title>By: rain39</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/27/late-nite-fdl-more-buckley/#comment-1302938</link>
		<dc:creator>rain39</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey, Firedoglake, I just knew there would be truth-telling here!!  Few people are even willing to look at WFB’s racist side in the early days or even his gasbag days.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I watched him lots in my childhood(I’m 68) but turned feminist, liberal and a civil rights worker in the 60’s and never turned back to what I see now as my parents moderate roots.  Even they evolved when they moved from Philadelphia to Wisconsin to Arkansas when they retired.  They got to know the Clinton’s really well personally in Arkansas and voted for him twice.  I have already voted for Obama in Texas.  I want REAL change, although it is hard to turn away from Hillary.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Firedoglake, I just knew there would be truth-telling here!!  Few people are even willing to look at WFB’s racist side in the early days or even his gasbag days.  </p>
<p>I watched him lots in my childhood(I’m 68) but turned feminist, liberal and a civil rights worker in the 60’s and never turned back to what I see now as my parents moderate roots.  Even they evolved when they moved from Philadelphia to Wisconsin to Arkansas when they retired.  They got to know the Clinton’s really well personally in Arkansas and voted for him twice.  I have already voted for Obama in Texas.  I want REAL change, although it is hard to turn away from Hillary.</p>
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		<title>By: kirk  murphy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/27/late-nite-fdl-more-buckley/#comment-1302934</link>
		<dc:creator>kirk  murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Buckley in &lt;strong&gt;2005&lt;/strong&gt; on AIDS/HIV - in the pages of his &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nationalreview.com/buckley/wfb200502191155.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;National Review&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Public heath officials are considering measures which, 20 years ago, would have been though fascistic interventions in human rights. There is thought of infiltrating gay sites, particularly those on the Internet. What, having identified such sites, will they then do? Interpose a message about the danger of unprotected sex? Collect names and email addresses, and send individual warnings to prospective victims? Such measures are not easily composed: “Dear Sir: You have recently kept company with Tony Venenum. Tony has a new and dangerous strain of AIDS and you may have contracted it. You should report to a doctor and you must not engage in unprotected sex because in doing so you may be committing murder.” The boundaries of the new campaign, let alone the niceties, haven’t been resolved upon, but not much thought is being given to concerns of privacy. Murderers need to be stopped, and if this means opening their mail, well — such things happen and you can take comfort that you may be saving a life.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The objective is to identify the carrier, and to warn his victim. &lt;em&gt;Someone, 20 years ago, suggested a discreet tattoo the site of which would alert the prospective partner to the danger of proceeding as had been planned. &lt;/em&gt;But the author of the idea was treated as though he had been schooled in Buchenwald, and &lt;strong&gt;the idea was not widely considered, but maybe it is up now for reconsideration&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A well-educated proto-fascist with a great vocabulary -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But a proto-fascist to the end.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(h/t Roger Ailes: &lt;a href=&quot;http://rogerailes.blogspot.com/2008_02_24_archive.html#8645115882965527861#8645115882965527861&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;JoeMcCarthy and Bull Connor, Meet Your New Roommate&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buckley in <strong>2005</strong> on AIDS/HIV &#8211; in the pages of his <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/buckley/wfb200502191155.asp" rel="nofollow">National Review</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Public heath officials are considering measures which, 20 years ago, would have been though fascistic interventions in human rights. There is thought of infiltrating gay sites, particularly those on the Internet. What, having identified such sites, will they then do? Interpose a message about the danger of unprotected sex? Collect names and email addresses, and send individual warnings to prospective victims? Such measures are not easily composed: “Dear Sir: You have recently kept company with Tony Venenum. Tony has a new and dangerous strain of AIDS and you may have contracted it. You should report to a doctor and you must not engage in unprotected sex because in doing so you may be committing murder.” The boundaries of the new campaign, let alone the niceties, haven’t been resolved upon, but not much thought is being given to concerns of privacy. Murderers need to be stopped, and if this means opening their mail, well — such things happen and you can take comfort that you may be saving a life.</p>
<p>The objective is to identify the carrier, and to warn his victim. <em>Someone, 20 years ago, suggested a discreet tattoo the site of which would alert the prospective partner to the danger of proceeding as had been planned. </em>But the author of the idea was treated as though he had been schooled in Buchenwald, and <strong>the idea was not widely considered, but maybe it is up now for reconsideration</strong>.</p>
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<p>A well-educated proto-fascist with a great vocabulary -</p>
<p>But a proto-fascist to the end.</p>
<p>(h/t Roger Ailes: <a href="http://rogerailes.blogspot.com/2008_02_24_archive.html#8645115882965527861#8645115882965527861" rel="nofollow">JoeMcCarthy and Bull Connor, Meet Your New Roommate</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: brantl</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/27/late-nite-fdl-more-buckley/#comment-1302928</link>
		<dc:creator>brantl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am 51 years old. I probably heard WFB for the first time when I was 11 or 12 years old, and I could tell then that he was an equivocating pile of shit. I heard him try to sneak around answering questions, and I heard him out and out lie. I also found it very odd, even as a youngster, to think that people thought that he was very smart, when you never heard Buckley string more than 4 or 5 words together without saying ‘uh’ several times. He was an inveterate, condescending gasbag, and a lying gasbag, to boot.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am 51 years old. I probably heard WFB for the first time when I was 11 or 12 years old, and I could tell then that he was an equivocating pile of shit. I heard him try to sneak around answering questions, and I heard him out and out lie. I also found it very odd, even as a youngster, to think that people thought that he was very smart, when you never heard Buckley string more than 4 or 5 words together without saying ‘uh’ several times. He was an inveterate, condescending gasbag, and a lying gasbag, to boot.</p>
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		<title>By: Unrepentantliberal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/27/late-nite-fdl-more-buckley/#comment-1302826</link>
		<dc:creator>Unrepentantliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The strangest thing I heard about Buckley was in an interview of David Brooks on NPR, (how lame), where Brooks goes on to describe Buckley as, among other things as “handsome.” Ewwww! He was smart, articulate and biting, but handsome? Huh? Makes you wonder about Brook’s sexuality and taste. Oh, I forgot, he’s a conservative republican…..they have none. Never mind.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The strangest thing I heard about Buckley was in an interview of David Brooks on NPR, (how lame), where Brooks goes on to describe Buckley as, among other things as “handsome.” Ewwww! He was smart, articulate and biting, but handsome? Huh? Makes you wonder about Brook’s sexuality and taste. Oh, I forgot, he’s a conservative republican…..they have none. Never mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Sacanagem</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/27/late-nite-fdl-more-buckley/#comment-1302648</link>
		<dc:creator>Sacanagem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A brief blast from the past: the excellent New Republic &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ship-of-fools-johann-hari-sets-sail-with-americas-swashbuckling-neocons-457074.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article&lt;/a&gt; on the National Review’s Wingnut Cruise, and the onboard fight between Buckley &amp; Norm Podheretz over Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A brief blast from the past: the excellent New Republic <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ship-of-fools-johann-hari-sets-sail-with-americas-swashbuckling-neocons-457074.html" rel="nofollow">article</a> on the National Review’s Wingnut Cruise, and the onboard fight between Buckley &amp; Norm Podheretz over Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: shmooth</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/27/late-nite-fdl-more-buckley/#comment-1302480</link>
		<dc:creator>shmooth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;yes - Buckley was ‘qualitatively different’ than, say, Bill O’Reilly. His threat of physical violence to his guest (”I’ll smash you in the god-damned face”) bears no resemblance at all to the right-wing tv hosts of today.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And Buckley’s entire interview/talk with Chomsky has him repeatedly lobbing one dishonest argument after another, false dichotomies, grand prounouncements of facts and certainties - all of which are false and uncertain-at-best — yes, all of this dishonesty and badgering is so honest, it makes me want to weep a tear of nostalgia for that saint, William Buckley.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;listen, if you want to kiss the dude’s ass - do it, but don’t try to invent some new world where where FDL readers are supposed to buy into some re-invention of Buckley as someone who was ever honest about anything. it really is weird to come here and read this shit. i’ve watched that interview 10 times - Buckley’s performance as apologist for u.s. government terror is as morally reprehensible as it is dishonest.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the guy talked pretty. he was an ivy league asshole that you wanted to be like. he was witty, chewed on his pencil, raised his eyebrows like that comedian - whatever - fine - but don’t bring that ‘qualitatively different’ and ‘honest’ bullshit up in here. gd.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;p.s. firefox commenting seems broken again.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes &#8211; Buckley was ‘qualitatively different’ than, say, Bill O’Reilly. His threat of physical violence to his guest (”I’ll smash you in the god-damned face”) bears no resemblance at all to the right-wing tv hosts of today.</p>
<p>And Buckley’s entire interview/talk with Chomsky has him repeatedly lobbing one dishonest argument after another, false dichotomies, grand prounouncements of facts and certainties &#8211; all of which are false and uncertain-at-best — yes, all of this dishonesty and badgering is so honest, it makes me want to weep a tear of nostalgia for that saint, William Buckley.</p>
<p>listen, if you want to kiss the dude’s ass &#8211; do it, but don’t try to invent some new world where where FDL readers are supposed to buy into some re-invention of Buckley as someone who was ever honest about anything. it really is weird to come here and read this shit. i’ve watched that interview 10 times &#8211; Buckley’s performance as apologist for u.s. government terror is as morally reprehensible as it is dishonest.</p>
<p>the guy talked pretty. he was an ivy league asshole that you wanted to be like. he was witty, chewed on his pencil, raised his eyebrows like that comedian &#8211; whatever &#8211; fine &#8211; but don’t bring that ‘qualitatively different’ and ‘honest’ bullshit up in here. gd.</p>
<p>p.s. firefox commenting seems broken again.</p>
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		<title>By: JDM3</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/27/late-nite-fdl-more-buckley/#comment-1302379</link>
		<dc:creator>JDM3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Aw, give it a rest. I liked “God And Man At Yale” and “Up From Liberalism” when I was thirteen because those books seemed moderate and reasonable compared to the neonazi bullshit I was raised with. All he ever was was the advance man for the horrors we’re living with today. Do you really think that if we had 4,000 Buckleys in place of the 4,000 worst reThug assholes we have today that there’d be no Iraq war? no Afghanistan war? that they’d be holding bipartisan chats in Central Park with Jane Fonda and Barbra Streisand? He was just the smooth talking block captain of the time. He spawned monsters. Enough already with the misty eyed reminiscences of the ancien regime. Jesus wept. He was a vicious little prick.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw, give it a rest. I liked “God And Man At Yale” and “Up From Liberalism” when I was thirteen because those books seemed moderate and reasonable compared to the neonazi bullshit I was raised with. All he ever was was the advance man for the horrors we’re living with today. Do you really think that if we had 4,000 Buckleys in place of the 4,000 worst reThug assholes we have today that there’d be no Iraq war? no Afghanistan war? that they’d be holding bipartisan chats in Central Park with Jane Fonda and Barbra Streisand? He was just the smooth talking block captain of the time. He spawned monsters. Enough already with the misty eyed reminiscences of the ancien regime. Jesus wept. He was a vicious little prick.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/27/late-nite-fdl-more-buckley/#comment-1302228</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Welcome to Geezer City, Jane.&lt;br /&gt;
I too remember when conservatives actually had scruples.&lt;br /&gt;
P.S. You’re a junior geezer.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Right on yellowdogD, BUCKLEY STILL goes to whatever HELL is for his writing/action/politics AND PARTICULARLY the National Review, (Gore Vidal does not).&lt;br /&gt;
NOT approving of a pre-emptive war YOU created just gives you a BIGGER rock to roll up and down the same hill FOREVER…(gnashing of teeth etc. from the “Christianists”)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sweet dreams “Conservatives, Ex-Conservatives and junior geezers”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Welcome to Geezer City, Jane.<br />
I too remember when conservatives actually had scruples.<br />
P.S. You’re a junior geezer.”</p>
<p>Right on yellowdogD, BUCKLEY STILL goes to whatever HELL is for his writing/action/politics AND PARTICULARLY the National Review, (Gore Vidal does not).<br />
NOT approving of a pre-emptive war YOU created just gives you a BIGGER rock to roll up and down the same hill FOREVER…(gnashing of teeth etc. from the “Christianists”)</p>
<p>Sweet dreams “Conservatives, Ex-Conservatives and junior geezers”.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/27/late-nite-fdl-more-buckley/#comment-1302212</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;AND when  Mark Twain was discussing the death of someone he didn’t like he said&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“well, I didn’t attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying that I approved of it.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s COLD.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AND when  Mark Twain was discussing the death of someone he didn’t like he said</p>
<p>“well, I didn’t attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying that I approved of it.”</p>
<p>That’s COLD.</p>
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