St. McCain, last April:
Many in Washington have called for an end to our involvement in Iraq, yet they offer no opinion about the consequences of this course of action, beyond a vague assurance that all will be well if the Iraqis are left to work out their differences themselves.
St. McCain, yesterday:
My friends, the war will be over soon — although the insurgency will go on for years and years and years. But it’ll be handled by the Iraqis not by us.
Oh well.
The important thing here is that "the war in Iraq" and "the insurgency" and "the war on terror", which are all part of one big exciting War Against The Islamonazis, will be over soon and we won! Our troops are leaving Iraq!
Yay!
Now someone just needs to tell Chimpy McFlightsuit:
President Bush predicted Monday that voters will replace him with a Republican president who will "keep up the fight" in Iraq.
D’oh!
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hiya, BT!
BBBBBuuuttttttt, what about our 100 years of occupation?
OT: WAPO on Obama meeting with Jewish leaders – addresses the islamic thing amongst other things…:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com…..lling.html
Nothing left but a few deadenders. And so why do we need to keep 140,000 troops, 10,000 more than when the surge began, in Iraq?
Well, actually, it’s “Mission Accomplished … for all intents or purposes.”
“The war will be over soon, the war for all intents and purposes…”
St. McCain, quoted in:
http://firedoglake.com/2008/02…..eels-much/
Glad that is over, stupid war… Hey isn’t he crazy?
The Chimp is delusional and in denial.
The Rethugs can’t even follow through as occupiers.
They’re not possibly fit to lead America.
Now this is a common misconception about McCain’s statement. We are not leaving Iraq, no not at all you silly Texan. It’s just that our troops won’t be “handling the insurgency” anymore. That will be done by the Iraqis. What our troops will do, is shop for rugs in the market. It will be safe for them to do that because the “insurgency will be handled by the Iraqis”.
We will have a relationship (lasting 100 years or so) where the only danger our troops will face is getting hit by the manna that will be falling from the heavens. Kind of like Kuwait, or Japan.
So you see, we can have the best of all worlds! It will happen “soon” as long as we vote for McCain!
(or maybe he just meant the insurgency will be handled by the Iraqis cause our troops will all be in Iran soon)
How embarrassing for McCain. I mean Bush. I mean Cheney. I mean Petreaus.
Let’s face it. As an American, I’m embarrassed by these fucking juvenile delinquents.
I think that we’re seein the REAL McBush—READY—-FIRE—-AIM.
This fucker doesn’t know what he thinks until he hears what comes out of his mouth.
They are occupying America! /s
McBush has withdrawn his whole Iraq plan over the last few days. His Iraq plan was “100 years” and “I’ll lose”.
Open mouth- insert foot!
They’re all suffer from ADD. Hell, Bush can’t get from the bed to the toilet without being distracted by the closet.
Let’s see McBush walkin through Baghdad again– that’s always good fer a laugh!!!
Yeah that is a good one! LOL!
Our troops will be guarding our oil in Iraq—I mean THEIR oil in Iraq- well ya know what I mean!
Do we have a spy in McBush’s staff writing his speeches? Everytime he opens his mouth, folks switch to Democrat.
But I worry. McBush is not a threat to the Dems getting the WH, but Karl & Co are. There’s not much they can do to make McBush look good, so they’ll have to make everybody else look slimy. It’s already starting…Obama the Muslim (Like being a Muslim is a crime), Obama the Liberal Friend of Jesse and Al, and OMG he’s BLACK!!!!
Boxturtle (And Bill Clinton is STILL dating your Granddaughter)
If you’re sitting in shrub’s living room watching games on TV and popping pretzels and you don’t read or watch anything about what others say about you, I guess you would conclude
We can’t expect shrub to know anything outside his holdup.
Obama ain’t patriotic on account of his wife hates america and he doesn’t wear an american flag.
How can the next president keep up the fight in Iraq? McBush says it’s over!
Do flag undies count?
Xanadu, TX??
Gooper presidential platform:
The war in Iraq has been won (almost)
Black people HATE america
That should do it!
That’s interesting. How come it posted twice. Did the system hiccup?
Only if they are visible through or over your trousers.
Thank the telecom industry- sometimes when they’re stealin the feed they cause indigestion.
St.McBush’08™ is talking like he’s already won! Oooops!
Huge power outages all over Florida.
I’ll bet McVain got the same message shrub got when he was running, “We’ll see to it that you win no matter what.”
You go, Blue Texan!
I despise Crazy Train and his enablers. And my friend’s sister thinks Huckstabee is great because she’s a single-issue voter: right to life. As in, pro-fetus and if the candidates say the right things about punishing women who have sex, she’s all for it. And apparently has a whole string of justifications for being in Iraq killing off a whole lot of post-fetal humans. RRRRRRRRRRROWRRRRRR.
Good thing she’s not my sister.
FunnyDiva
Record drop for key home price index
Home prices dropped 8.9 percent in the final quarter of 2007 compared with a year ago, the steepest decline in the 20-year history of its housing index. Full story | Video
Foreclosures up 57 percent in the past year
Wholesale inflation climbs to 26-year high | Analysis
Consumer confidence weakens significantly
(MSNBC headlines)
And the goopers are nominatin a guy who ”Don’t know much about economics”
OT re a post of Jane’s yesterday about Fred Wertheimer’s Democracy 21 (a campaign finance “watchdog”). It has been 10 days since the McCain FEC story broke and there is still no mention of it on the Democracy 21 site.
don’t forget about terrorsurrenderterrorsurrenderterror
and isn’t it time to start gay bashing again soon? maybe obama is a black, muslim, gay marrying surrender monkey …
sigh.
CNN reporting massive power outage in Florida / Dade County, up into the panhandle mentioned. 8 power plants affected. Mention of homeland security, details developing.
Funny how the house of cards that is Bush economic policy all falls apart like well, a house of cards.
uh oh, looks like “an emergency”
*shudder*
Goopers want to replace President “C-minus from Yale” with “Worst in his class from the Naval Academy? What is it with these goopers?
The Pukes are becoming increasingly vicious towards Obama. McCain supporter terrorizing people with Hussein and Rezko and promising that the media will expose him….
I hope the blowback is huge on the Pukes, just huge.
Yep! Them Islamists have now figured out how to control the WEATHERRRRRR! Apparently they have the recruited the services of Blofeld, Dr. Evil and Goldfinger as well as ex-members of SMERSH and THRUSH to unveil their nefarious plot!
Fallen Tree causes blackout
John McCain is crazy and he does not understand economics and he does not understand the Iraq
Occupation/Resistance/War. His public statements have been inconsistent and wrong, wrong wrong, or crazy such as: http://www.outsidethebeltway.c….._iraq_war/
But he has no real reason for support of the occupation/war, other than he likes war.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0106.html
Ft. Lauderdale is/was under a tornado warning minutes ago, so storms may be the cause, but 8 power plants are down…that’s a pretty big outage.
The Republican Stepford wives have an outstanding reason for not wearing flag pins. It clashes with their Parisian haute-couture ensembles.
From Forida news (but who really knows) – A substation equipment failure may have tripped two FPL power generator uits creating a domino effect in the power grid. Just like in Iraq.
OK. That was Florida. So I can’t type.
Well he knows enough to realize that he needed to blow all his campaign Treasury in order to prise the nomination away from Romney, Huck, and Rooody 9ui11iani
Maybe my typing is turning feeble. That would be units also. I need some body building.
but IOKIYAR … he’s got plenty more to spend, whether or not he’s committed to spending limits ;)
Sure would be nice to have those National Guard guys around in case their needed for backup. Never know what can happen during these power outages…maybe looting by crazed Islamists, or Kenyans…or maybe people will even have sex out of wedlock in elevators. Iheard that happened in NY city resulting in the Baby Boom…but I could be wrong about that. I’m sure Rudy prevented that sort of stuff from happening when he was in charge…. ;-)
is this true rwcole?
There are bigger storms in North Florida. The same front came through Georgia this morning and now there are big winds.
NO but close.
Following in the footsteps of his father and grandfather, McCain entered the United States Naval Academy. McCain was a rebellious midshipman, and his career at the Naval Academy was ambivalent and lackluster.[15] He had his share of run-ins with the faculty and leadership; each year he was given over 100 demerits (for unshined shoes, formation faults, talking out of place, and the like),[15] earning him membership in the “Century Club”.[4] He did not take well to those of higher rank arbitrarily wielding power over him – “It was bullshit, and I resented the hell out of it”[15] – and would sometimes intervene when he saw it being done to others.[4] At 5 foot 7 inches[16] and 127 pounds[17] (1.70 m and 58 kg), he competed as a lightweight boxer for three years, where he lacked skills but was fearless and “didn’t have a reverse gear,” as he later put it.[17] Possessed of a strong intelligence,[18] he did well in a few subjects that interested him, such as English literature, history and government.[4][15] Despite his low standing, he was a leader among his fellow midshipmen,[15] especially in organizing off-Yard activities; one classmate said that “being on liberty with John McCain was like being in a train wreck.”[15] Despite his difficulties, he later wrote that he never wavered in his desire to show his father and family that he was of the same mettle as his naval forbears. Dropping out was unthinkable, and so he successfully completed his training and graduated from the Naval Academy in 1958; he was sixth from the bottom in class rank,[19] 894th out of 899.[15]
I know that people want to think Mc Cain is stupid but it is just not the case. Has anyone ever considered that there are intelligent people who believe different things?
If committed to spending limits under the law…no. He’s stuck until sometime in May I believe. He’s gonna do so anyways…claiming he’s opting out.
But he can raise more money, too. If one was bound by the public financing rules you can’t raise any more for the Primaries once you’ve spent the limit. But he’s decided to assert that he can opt out…and there isn’t a full FEC Commission to tell him he can’t.
Per John “surrender monkey” McCain, as he was known in those days:
What, no victory? Quitting without a victory is called “DEFEAT”, as it was when we left Vietnam to the South Vietnamese.
Perfect guy to follow in dubya’s footsteps…
6th from the bottom of graduates, I believe.
So, McBush thinks the war will be over soon–as far as U.S. fighting forces are concerned. But Bush thinks the Republicans will elect a Republican who will “keep up the fight” in Iraq.
Clearly, Bush believes the Republicans will elect some Republican other than John McBush to be our next president and “keep up the fight.”
Mittens Accomplished?
He’s obviously not stupid, but he’s twisting himself in knots defending a really stupid policy.
Do any of these people really know what they have done in the middle east, do any of them have any concept at all of what war really is, what the lies to get us there have created, what collateral damage means, what cluster bombs do, what renditon means to those rendered. Do they realize what they do to young men, for no reason, that would require this. That their bandying about of the word patriotism is a bullshit word meaning death for others.
They talk of honor where their is nothing but dishonor. The only ones with honor are those fighting to save their buddies ass, sent to fight for what?
People never start wars, only nations with questionable agendas do that.
And those who have been there never enter that dark place without serious thought of all consequences because they know what that horror is, and anyone who has been there and speaks as one like mccain is a fool beyond fools.
Couldn’t think of any one line zingers-sorry..not
got link?
Pudknocker I – 2001-2009
Pudknocker II – 2009-
President Bush predicted Monday that voters will replace him with a Republican president who will “keep up the fight” in Iraq.
Sounds like Bush is reverting to his days as a cheerleader.
“Fight! Fight! Fight!”
Give that man a pom-pom!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
thx!
You are covering a lot of ground there.
I disagree. As both George Bush and John McCain have shown, it is much more important to be connected than intelligent. Would McCain ever have made it to the Academy if his father wasn’t an admiral? Would he ever have had a political career if he hadn’t married money and political connections?
People can be intelligent and disagree. But there are degrees. If I get harangued by a flatearther or global warming denier, then I am going to assume that person is an idiot.
Is it just me, or does McCain look like Austin Powers in that photo?
OK, so you and Maddy agree he is an idiot. I think he is pursuing an idiotic policy bit I don’t think he is an idiot. Seems like it don’t mean nuthin huh?
Just needs the Barry Goldwater Glasses
If I were a “serious” commentator again, what I’d type is:
I’ll take the under (going against my usual omniscience to always take the over, but nothing’s 100% (other than my omniscience), and perhaps he is “stupid.” There are many types of intelligence – people can be “good,” or “smart,” in one/some area(s)/aspect(s) of life and not others. Sure, people can believe different things, have differing opinions, reach different conclusions from the same evidence, but that doesn’t mean that those beliefs/opinions/conclusions can’t be or aren’t stupid.
St. John may have been a “brilliant” figher pilot, I don’t know, but it certainly takes some level of intelligence to pilot a fighter plane. But that doesn’t mean he isn’t teh stupid in other areas. And the only evidence we have to go on about his ability to think (i.e. his “intelligence”), to reach conclusions and make policy based on those conclusions, in other areas, like Iraq, is what he says about it, and if those beliefs/opinions/conclusions are diametrically opposed to reality, then the stupid label seems to fit.*.
BUWAHAHAHHA
* But I’m still not a serious commentator again.
Has CNN mentioned that PAA expired and led to the blackouts?
Uh-oh, looks like we’re about to have a new thread…
I know-I have a ten year old son, not by blood but by choice, I have two daughters in their twenties-and I think of these things deeply. I served my country, not in war, as you did, I can never write about that I am not qualified, I just don’t want to have them experience it.
Raven-I don’t think he is an idiot, I think what he is doing is idiotic just as you say. I look at the man who had to go through that horror and then what he says now and go huh?
FOUR MORE WARS !!!
FOUR MORE WARS !!!
FOUR MORE WARS !!!
/repuglitardation
St. John may have been a “brilliant” figher pilot, I don’t know, but it certainly takes some level of intelligence to pilot a fighter plane.
Some level of hand-eye coordination, and his day . . .
Short
(as in 5′7″ and under)
And, since I’m going for unconditional surrender in the puppy wars http://farm3.static.flickr.com…..4258_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com…..4258_b.jpg
Have to say from other post-your puppy picture was a big smile for me.
Listen, being a Vietnam Vet I would like to think that what you say about those who have seen war is true, but I’m sorry to say I don’t think it is. There are many Nam vets who feel that victory was snatched from them, Jim Webb as well as Mc Cain, and they don’t want to see it happen again. I’m not telling you how I feel, I’m telling you what I know from an unscientific study of people I know.
crashed FIVE FUCKING PLANES
somebody mentioned that the VC were wasting ammo shooting him down, he’d a crashed again soon anyway
McCain just has that “lifer” mentality that has now been compounded by
the well known “tired motherfucker” aura that accompanies it. It don’t
mean nuthin.
He was flying strikes in North Vietnam, the fucking VC were in the south!
5×5
This ain’t puppy wars it’s photographer wars!
the core purpose of “The Mission” . . .
- de-nationalize Iraq’s oil industry
- expel “foreign suitors” for Iraq’s oil
- deliver control of the “2nd-largest” oil reserve on the planet to Exxon-Mobil, Chevron, British Petroleum, et al (Halliburton, Bechtel)
is not yet complete.
resistance to this oil grab has been tamped down. with as many as one million dead in the conflict unleashed by the US/British invasion and ongoing occupation; two million or more “internally displaced;” a million or more having fled the country; and “ethnic cleansing” now having been completed in many Iraqi communities — is it any wonder?
Iraq’s pending “oil law” — written, like current US energy policy, by Big Oil lawyers and fixers — has not been ratified.
and how to enforce Exxon’s law if permanent bases truly are not in the picture, and (complete[?]) troop withdrawals are in the offing?
btw: the same US/Anglo oil giants, now poised to dominate Iraq’s oil industry, were formerly principals of the Iraq Petroleum Company (IPC) — a consortium that dominated Iraq’s oil industry from the late-1920’s to the mid-1970’s, when the IPC’s holdings were nationalized (with compensation) by Iraq’s Ba’athist Party. they were also principal participants in Cheney’s Energy Task Force, formed immediately after the Bush/Cheney inauguration.
my computer says “server not found”
I understand that, nothing be in black and white, we live in a full spectrum rainbow.
That’s actually a hard core wingnut meme – the Dem congress lost the war by cutting off funding, and we would have won if we had just stuck it out. Pat Buchanan is a major exponent of that. It’s not just vets, that is official repug policy/talking point.
Try the link underneath – the first one doesn’t work for me either.
Outstanding post, thanks for the links, more text to digest.
I agree with you. McCain isn’t Bush. He may have been a wastrel Marlon Brando imitator when young, but he had courage and took public service seriously when he got into it. Bush never did. The fact that we disagree with him on Iraq doesn’t make him stupid. Anyone actually think Petreus is stupid? If you watched McCain and Byron Dorgan conduct hearings on the Abramoff/Indian Casino matters, you have to conclude that he was effective and he had principles over those issues. I want to beat his ass off, but to underestimate his intelligence is a mistake.
I know, I’m just reacting to the notion that people who have been in the shit are automatically anti-war. Hell, one of the green beenies that was there when the killed Che lives here. I saw him at a Vets gathering and he laughed that the whole Vietnam was “just wasn’t that bad”.
There are 710 “reasons” for the attack, invasion, and occupation of Iraq.
(now turn the card with 710 on it over)
and the underlying “cause” will be apparent.
see too:
Terrorized by “War on Terror,” by (Obama advisor) Zbigniew Brzezinski
The So-Called “War on Terror,” by Richard W. Behan
People can be “stupid” in different facets of life, different subject matters. So yeah, Petreus is stupid and so is McCain in many areas. The fact that they might be “smart” or “good” at something else, at other times, is meaningless.
Iraq is not our country. We don’t live there. We don’t speak the language. The food is unfamiliar. The culture is theirs not ours. What is the very best we could do for the Iraquis? We can’t stay there forever. We shouldn’t consign our military to a foreign land indefinitely especially where it is unclear whether we are welcome. But even if we are, it is unfair to ask our military to be endlessly present there, doing rotation after rotation after rotation at a cost in life and health that is literally incalcuable and which seems to be all but forgotten. One thing that I will not forget: Senatory McCain’s comment that we will be there for a 100 years if that’s what it takes. I admire Senatory McCain but I think he is dead wrong, or rather that he is wrong and others are and will be dead as a result of the 100 year policy. We need to allow our military to regroup and our foreign policy to reinvent itself so that we act like a decent citizen on the planet and not like an imperial power.
Multiple intelligences. Of course we all know that the “right” thinks we are all totally fucking stupid.
I agree with that, except to say that someone is smart or good at something else is meaningless doesn’t make sense to me. The argument was that he was dumb because he favors the continuing U.S. occupation of Iraq. I think he’s wrong about that. But he’s running for President, how can it be irrelevant that he may be smart or good at a number of areas reaquired for that office?
The Democrat Party needs better cheaply made in China chtotchkes on their lapels or they aint getting my vote.
-G
This still does not qualify me as a serious commentator:
The fact that he is “smart” or “good” in one area or one subject matter is immaterial to whether he is “smart” or “good” in another area or subject matter; It is not immaterial to whether he (or anyone else for that matter) would make a good preznit – in fact it’s very material.
Somewhere the blatherings coming out of McCain’s mouth make some sort of sense. I suppose David Brooks could explain it to me.
Maybe it’s just political campaign talk, but even the “serious” people can’t possibly understand what the fuck St. John is talking about.
THREAD HIJACK ALERT!
more related “oil grab” links here.
also, McCain a “neocon” before Bush: Most Dangerous Man
and from our lovable pal, Patrick Buchanan: “John McCain will make Cheney look like Gandhi.”
The gift of intelligence is a many faceted subject, based on developed abilities, some have mathematical abilities, others have developed muscular strength, others have gone for skilled movements of their bodies or hand-eye coordination, others develop mental skills, reading, analytical, creative, memory, lingual, and a host of others. No matter what way development has gone, every bit of it is a learned activity and there are precious few of the species that have not learned to do do something well, although it may be simple compared to others. All learning should be acknowledged and applauded regardless of sophistication. It does no one harm to refrain from denigrating another’s failure to operate at a maximum level in all things, few can meet such a challenge. Einstein could hold the universe in his head but had only modest map-reading abilities, and no one called him an idiot for not knowing what street he was on.
Does this count as an EPU?
Is’nt it about time George W. get out on the campaign trail with McCain so the voters can see what they would be getting in a McCain presidency? After all Bush did endorse him and it would really hit home what this act is all about.
McCain/Cheney ‘08