It is the public’s trust that is violated by this misconduct. Via Scott Horton:
First, we know that the first two career prosecutors assigned to the case, including the most experience prosecutors who worked on it, came to the same conclusion that Grant Woods did: no reasonable prosecutor would ever have charged this case. The Justice Department has consistently made false statements about the roles of the two earlier prosecutors, and their role only emerged in the last few months. It’s extremely noteworthy that throughout the history of this case, whenever a career prosecutor concluded that charges should not be brought, that career prosecutor ran into a bump in his career and was off the case. The message to the remaining career prosecutors was plenty clear. In fact it is clear that the career prosecutors’ views were overridden by political appointees driven by a strong partisan political agenda.
Second, they claim that the case was brought on a fair reading of the law. It was not, and indeed reasonable career prosecutors never would have acted on the basis of the reading they advanced, and a fair detached judge never would have allowed the case to go forward. This case offered neither.
Third, they claim that evidence was produced to sustain the charges. But the key evidence that the prosecutors brought forward was false, and they knew it was false. In this case proceeding on the basis of that false evidence was a corrupt wielding of prosecutorial power, pursued for a corrupt partisan political end—the elimination of a political adversary. They withheld the Bailey notes which would have demonstrated that his memory on this was conflicted or wrong and would therefore have devastated his testimony. There is mounting evidence that one or more witnesses were unethically pressured to give false evidence or face retaliation…. (emphasis mine)
If this were the sole instance of politicized prosecutorial conduct under the Bush Administration, it would still be a huge problem. But it isn’t. Not by a long shot.
Which makes this yet another enormous red flag in a long, long line of systematic perversion of justice and the rule of law in an "ends justifies the means" scheme hatched by the Bush Administration. It reeks. And any decent, upstanding person in this country — regardless of political affiliation — ought to be outraged that the mechanisms of their government would be used for such a dirty, appalling political scheme.
To deliberately hold back evidence which is exculpatory in nature, calling into question the fundamental fairness of proceedings, raises serious questions of prosecutorial misconduct. Should it be shown that there was a broad-ranging political conspiracy to misuse the resources of the USAtty’s office for political purposes? That the name in the center of all of this fetid, festering scourge is none other than Karl Rove? Well, that’s just par for the Turdblossom, isn’t it?
Except it can also be criminally and civilly actionable. More sunshine, now…
(YouTube of Queen singing "Liar" live.)
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Whew!
Noted in the last thread, re-stating here. We must investigate the wrongs of the Bush administration and take such action as the law requires, or we betray our children’s trust in our generation.
W’s watch, W’s command.
Worst Generation, anyone?
deep cleansing breaths
So THAT’s what the W stands for!
*g*
and the poor man is still in prison!
This whole thing is yet another infuriating example of why people who do not respect government should never, ever be allowed to run it. They deliberately and meticulously have run into the ground some of the most decent and venerable institutions through wholesale neglect and corruption. And I will be damned if they get to do so without exposure.
And John McCain, on the other hand…no improprieties there!
I would submit that much of this comes down to the vetting process (or lack thereof) of those who select candidates.
Christy,
Can you fill us in on whether the delay in providing a transcript of the trial is prosecutable misconduct on the part of the judge?
So here’s my impolitic Q. What the h is the problem with Siegelman’s lawyers? Why have they not made more progress legally, thru appeals, or thru publicity?
Impeachment, impeachment, impeachment. It’s the only way this crap will ever be resolved.
Yes. And the book/DVD Bush’s Brain interviews two Texas Democrats who served prison terms and had their lives ruined based on very similar charges engineered by Rove.
“politicized prosecutorial conduct under the Bush Administration”
One of the many accolades that Buscho can proudly claim…
Transcript delays happen pretty frequently, so that would be a tough one to push, I think. Can be a problem with a tape or a transcription machine, or a heavy schedule load for the transcriptionist or about a bazillion other legitimate reasons it could be delayed…
Christy- any legal recourse for Siegelman? (sorry if I’ve missed this)
Yes — he’s appealing the conviction, I believe — and if its shown factually that there is prosecutorial misconduct that deliberately overlooked and suppressed exculpatory evidence, he potentially has a civil case like the kids did with the prosecutor on the Duke case (if AL laws allow for it — since I don’t practice in AL, someone local would have to answer for certain on that).
So Christy, is seems to me, the only way to stop current and future politicization of our justice (?) system is to come down hard on the lower level pucks and work up the food chair. In your or your readers opinion what could be done to start ethics investigations of the AG’s involved, disbarment proceedings, State or Federal Statues broken, etc..
That’s how any potential conspiracy case is broken — you start at the lower level and flip your way up the witness chain to the people who came up with the scheme. It takes time, and a lot of digging…and some luck. And, in this case — as in a lot of this sort of thing — perhaps more than a few guilty consciences who are disgusted by this.
The lead prosecutor, Leura Cananry, had one hell of a conflict of interest. The idea that she felt she could prosecute Siegelman while her husband, Bill Cananry, ran Siegelman’s opponents campaign is so far from the Canon’s of Ethics that it boggles the mind. Here is a transcript of last night’s ‘60 Minute’ broadcast. ‘^
wont this case make it to the us circuit court on appeal that you highlighted this weekend–the one where Leahy held the hurry-up hearing for one of BUSHCO’s unqualified judges?
I know. I’m imagining how swiftly and painfully our state bar association would have been in the middle of something like that. Anyone reading here practice in AL that can speak to how things normally work there in terms of legal ethics enforcement? Or recusal complaints — in terms of prosecutors and judges (because there were also conflicts questions about the trial judge here)?
No — Alabama is in a different circuit, I think. 5th Cir. covers TX, LA, and MI, I believe.
Here’s some info on the appeals. I guess the 60 Minutes was the first national publicity except for House Judiciary Committee Hearings on C-Span.
http://www.aladems.org/2008/01/no_good_reason.php
Alabama’s in the 11th circuit…just looked it up to be positive.
Would Siegelman have any potential case in federal court under civil rights law? Does that still exist?
Add to the mix this article by Sandra Day O’Connor in Sunday’s Parade Magazine newspaper supplement on the politization of the judicial system. She starts out saying she isn’t referencing any particular case or jurisdiction.
Why the hell not?
I’m in southeast Alabama. I tried to find the 60 minutes special, but couldn’t. Now I find that some stations blacked it out. Just lovely. I watched it today on CBS’s website.
Re the appeal. That’s been held up since the trial because “the court recorder died”…and no transcript of the trial has been available.
Person or machine?
Don’t expect any of the sunshine to come from the current DOJ or the current Attorney General former Judge from the Southern District of New York Mukasey.
As I pointed out in the last thread, Mukasey and current DOJ are blocking any investigation into the Siegelman prosecution.
There is a parallel situation to the political prosecutions in Alabama in the conduct of US Attorney Christopher J. Christie in New Jersey.
this may have been posted but the whole piece is here
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi…..ad_283.php
It is, quite simply, beyond appalling what these asshats have tried to do to the rule of law. Just infuriating…and it is going to take generations to reverse all of this damage, if ever.
Yep — I linked that above…
person
Also, again for everyone — here’s the 60 Minutes page on this story, including the entire piece as well as an extended “Reporter’s Notebook” piece as well.
Lindy — do you happen to know what sort of mechanism was used to do the trial reporting: spoken voice recorder, punchpad, or handwritten shorthand? Every courtroom has it’s own method, I’ve found, but most are done in such a way that someone else can transcribe if need be — for obvious reasons, you need back-up in case of a situation like this where the court reporter passes away. I haven’t been able to find any particular information on the method used there, and wondered if there had been in local reporting on that?
Does the fact that this was a federal case and not a state case, and thus led by federal prosecutors affect the way in which the state bar may or may not be able to deal with prosecutorial misconduct?
IANAL, but it seems to me that the two basic oversight mechanisms for federal prosecutors are within the DOJ (such as the Office of US Attorneys, Office of Professional Responsibility, or Office of the Inspector General) or up on Capitol Hill (especially the Senate Judiciary Committee).
We all know how much luck we’ve had getting anywhere with the DOJ when it comes to oversight, so that leaves Congress.
Paging Pat Leahy . . .
It can — and there are internal mechanisms by which the DOJ is supposed to look into this sort of thing. But those attys would have to be licensed by the state bar association to practice there and, thus, misconduct would also have a layer of state bar oversight as well. At least, I would think so — perhaps LHP can weigh in if she gets time at some point on that one from her AUSA days.
Cause of death determined?
Thanks, Christy, for writing up this important story. I’m hoping we in the blogosphere get this miscarriage of justice wide exposure and public awareness.
No, but I’ll see what I can find.
I was wondering about the star witness for the prosecution, Nick Bailey, who is also in jail. Was his conviction also political? Did they start with him to get to Siegelman?
Thanks, Lindy — I’d really appreciate it. It’s one of those things that is easier to find out locally if you know folks who work in or around the courthouse, I would think — at least, that’s how it would work here. And I thought maybe some local reporter might have dug around on that issue and gotten some answers. Really appreciate you looking — let me know if you hear anything!
My favorite thing about FDL! The open coordinated efforts of people pulling resources together. :)
Via Legal Schnauzer
updated 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
WASHINGTON – Job growth is faltering, consumer confidence plunging. The fallout from the worst housing slump in a quarter-century grows. Wherever you look, the signs are unmistakable that the economy is in trouble.
Because of all the bad news, more and more economists foresee the country falling into a recession, according to the latest survey by the National Association for Business Economics.
The group said in a report being released Monday that 45 percent of the economists on its forecasting panel expect a recession this year
Not in AL and no experience with it, but the reason that the insider affadavit was given was that she contacted the AL ethics committee – actually IIRC not about this Siegelman stuff directly, but about something worse that she had been asked to do later that she felt very uncomfortable about, and in recounting everything to them, as the story broadened out to how she came to be asked to do what she was contacting them about, the Siegalman stuff came out as well and because of his criminal conviction the ethics committee supported her in the decision that she should come forward with her story.
But I think they are in he said/she said land to a certain extent to actually undertake disciplinary action.
So far at least.
I updated my scandals list entry on the Siegelman case in response to the CBS story. I remember someone suggesting Siegelman as an item for my list. Initially, I thought this was about a crooked Dem who got caught. But when I started reading about the case, it quickly became apparent that not only was the prosecution politically motivated but that it was one of the most egregious examples of prosecutorial misconduct that I had ever seen or heard about.
So the cause of death has not been released apparently?
Very much OT. A look inside the snake-infested thing they call a mind.
http://www.multimedia-interact…..59#p122959 (Rated R for repellant)
My comment is at the bottom.
Hartmann is talking to Larisa about case
http://www.airamerica.com/listen/
RICO this whole administration.
Christy I don’t know if that’s entirely true. I remember Fitz testifying in the Lynn Stewart case and he was asked if he was a member of the bar and he said only in NY. That because he’s a federal prosecutor he was not required to become a member of Illinois bar when he became the USA there.
But perhaps that rule is only for USA’s, not AUSA’s?
Three US Senators ask President ex Generale- MUSHIE to step down. Mushie says “Thanks for the cool advice but no thanks”.
My relationship has generally been with AUSA’s — and they generally are licensed in the state in which they practice unless they are brought in for special purposes as an outside counsel. May be different for a USA — which is why I’m hoping LHP can get some time to speak to this, or some other former AUSA/DOJ employee who might know. We have several who read here, so if anyone can pipe in with an answer, I’d appreciate it!
It’s time to go back and read BUSH’S BRAIN. The whole story has been perversion of justice, in Christy’s words.
I thought originally this was a State case, but no State Laws were broken. Additionally the DoJ historically stayed away from this type of case. Am I correct?
It’s a federally prosecuted case — the USA in question’s husband was running the campaign of the defedant’s gubernatorial opponent. One of the many, many reasons this particular USA’s office should have stayed out of it. (Or at least, why she should have recused herself from consideration of the case altogether for appearance of impropriety considerations.)
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Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Great post, great “60 Minutes”…but simply “more sunshine” won’t solve the problem. The institutions of justice and the law have been so corrupted, with the active complicity of the Democratic Party hierarchy, from the federal courts, to the federal prosecutors to the very laws that enable corrupt legal administrators to continue unlawful practices lawfully, that I’m afraid that there is no political solution. And in a democratic system, the people’s voice thru politics is the only answer to corruption allowing state administrators of the law to use the tools provided through the institutions of justice to excise the corruption.
Our system of justice has for 200 years been balanced precariously over a struggle between the powerful and the powerless to implement equal rights and protection under the law. The institutions of justice from the Supreme Court through the federal court system to the Department of Justice have, for the most part, remained inviolate and though not perfect have been able to self correct in response to judgements of history thru politics and even civil war. This is no longer the case. With the packing and packaging of the Supreme Court, it is now impossible to rid the institutions of the corruption that has killed justice in our country. Furthermore, even if we were to elect an administration that had the political chops to cleanse the Justice Department and force the purging of the federal judiciary including the Supreme Court, the legal ideology of fascism has been legitimized through the acceptance of these fascist appointees so the terrible, ugly beast of corrupted justice is always just under the surface.
We’re truly fucked here…the struggle for justice and the extension of democracy is over unless we finish what the great radicals of Reconstruction started. The power of the corporation has corrupted every institution of political democracy and over the last 130 years reCONSTRUCTED the antebellum nightmare of American society.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITON AND DON’T BE AFRAID TA USE IT!!
On reconsidering the subject of the thread, maybe my comment isn’t so off-topic.
Christy – I thought of you as I watched the 60 Minute report on Siegelman last night. I expected you to take up this cause. Thank you.
We used to prisoners like Siegelman not just a miscarriage of justice but a political prisoner. Political prisoners end up in prison on trumped-up charges by those in political power. The parties involved have a serious conflict of interest in putting together the trumped up charges. How else could they do it?
Before the Internet and blogs we depended on advocates like Bob Dylan to pen and sing the “misjustice” until it rang across America and thousands demanded a fair trial. It worked but it was slow. Many other political prisoners were missed.
How can we take this beyond our own discussion and turn it into a cause like Rubin “Hurricane” Carter? What can we do to be active advocates to keep a spotlight on Singelman?
just got here and don’t know if this was asked before, but can we petition 60 minutes to rebroadcast the episode in the areas that were blacked out?
I would think they would LOVE to do that, it would be GREAT free publicity, and it would promote this piece to pulitzer status
if the cbs franchise won’t broadcast the episode, I think it would be well within 60 minutes contractual obligatios to broadcast the episode on another station
would love to hear some lawyers take on this and I wonder if anyone has the ear of the executives at 60 minutes
Without the whole set of facts and circumstances involved, they can’t prosecute. Hence the need for more sunshine. I’m interested in them upholding the rule of law here, first and foremost. And to do so, they need to uncover every festering bit hiding in every nook and cranny…and expose it to the public sunlight.
Amen.
In my comment, the “whole story” refers to the entire Bush’s political career, starting with Gov. of Texas.
Looks like Scott Horton will be on at 4 pm ET to discuss this case on Air America — Sam Seder’s hosting for Randi Rhodes today…
blacking this piece out is right along the motus aperendi of these fascists;
the more exposed they are, the more brazen they become
this time however, that brazen behavior might be the poisen pill…this time they might have gone too far
kkkrl rove needs to be in jail as an enemy of this state
EWWWW!
Why did Rush Limbaugh’s ass boil just come to mind?
Brain Bleach!
WHY IS IMPEACHMENT OFF THE TABLE?
Who took it off? Where are they? Hey, it’s my TABLE!!!!!
sorry for shouting….
Has the house judiciary committee taken a serious look into this case?
I don’t know if this has come up before but if Obama wins in November (be still, my beating heart), or even if Hillary were to win, I think the best nominee for USAG would be Patrick Fitzgerald. His integrity is needed to restore some confidence in the system, and clean it up. He’d be a bulldog on this stuff.
the table is set, yet they will not serve
they have renegged their oath of office and I want pelosi dismissed from her seat in power the very next election cycle
Here’s some reporting from The Hill on the little bit that’s been done in House Judiciary on this.
Hi folks—
Off-topic (sorry)
Was looking for information regarding retroactive immunity for the bush administration regarding war crimes—
here’s part of this bill;
“SEC. 7. REVISIONS TO DETAINEE TREATMENT ACT OF 2005 RELATING TO PROTECTION OF CERTAIN UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT PERSONNEL”
“SEC. 8. RETROACTIVE APPLICABILITY.
This Act shall take effect on the date of the enactment of this Act and shall apply retroactively, including–
(1) to any aspect of the detention, treatment, or trial of any person detained at any time since September 11, 2001; and
(2) to any claim or cause of action pending on or after the date of the enactment of this Act.”
Thanks for any info—-
holy crap, we can NOT allow that bill to cross
Christy, was this a bill or did it become Law?
well, as I supposed, mccain will NOT be the GOPer this election cycle;
that’s on think progress at top right now
And you’ll expect the next leader to do what, exactly? You can pressure all you like, but the House teeters on a 14 vote margin controlled by Blue Dogs who aren’t budging.
Better to direct your irritation at electing more and better Democrats who will do the necessary work…than gripe about the ones who are trying to work around the obstructors. Because then we actually see along-term improvement for all of us.
No idea.
You seem to be especially chipper even though you stayed up late watching the Oscars.
Did you manage to see the whole thing?
My bad. Should have been addressed to Ticktock
if they next leader campaigns to visit the issue then that’s the politician I will support christy
I understand what you are saying but we can do both, it surely looks like pelosi is in bed with this administration and I don’t think it’s a good idea to have another lieberman calling themselves a democrat
Thanks Redd,
Wonder why Conyers has so little interest in this issue?
I believe this may be pertinent:
http://209.85.173.104/search?q…..=firefox-a
The key is Senator Leahy…
What better time then today after 60 Minutes revelations…
Have the Senate approve contempt charges for Rover, et.al
A month ago…
“I have given the White House’s claims of executive privilege and immunity careful consideration,” Leahy wrote in a formal ruling on the subpoenas. “I hereby rule that those claims are not legally valid to excuse current and former White House employees from appearing, testifying and producing documents related to this investigation.”
Are you saying that Pelosi’s a Lieberman? She has one of the most liberal records in the house? I don’t get it.
I hope the Siegelman case doesn’t turn into lawyers going into abstract discussions on facts and what is admissible and what isn’t. Siegelman’s six year term could be up before anything is done. Lawyers are necessary but equal to lawyers is the advocacy of lay people. They can be a powerful force that builds and applies pressure until something is done.
Why does the argument shut down when the person who acts as witness has a conflict of interest? When the person says conflict of interest is not an issue in their case, the argument stops. Why? This isn’t he said/she said. Conflict of interest is the same for everyone. You are too close to the source.
I don’t understand why she has impeachment off the table is what I am saying, her reasoning makes no sense what so ever, it doesn’t matter if we have the votes, the trial must take place and the crimes must be visited
by the way, I didn’t know she has the most liberal voting record, I don’t track voting records I pretty much rely on you guys here at the lake
so and I cannot possibly say she’s another lieberman, my bad
Sure, that’s why she’s spent the last two weeks working her ass off along with Conyers and Hodes and many, many others, to hold the Dem caucus together — including the feckless Blue Dogs — on the FISA issue. Because she’s just in bed with the Bush Administration.
Honestly, can we all stop shooting at ourselves with overly broad generalizations and realize, just for a tiny moment, that we may not publicly know every little argument thathas gone on behind the scenes? Just for a single day can we be realists about how complex the process is right now in DC with a President who could give a flying fuck about whether he rips the government apart to salve his own ego and a Veep who just wants to grap the reins of power outright and damn the consequences?
off to work, see all later
Sorry — not following what you are trying to get at here.
I think she said that impeachment was off the table because she thought that it would help to win back the house…We won back the house- so her position was validated to that extent. Some would argue that we could have done as well without her comment. We’ll never know. He motivation, however, was pretty clear it seems to me- to win back the house.
the stench that comes from political circles is overwelming. why haven’t the schemes of yesterday and today been exposed to the point of no return? information about the nefarious actions of these members is so available. the democratic house has refused to take action even though john conyers ran on impeachment. really, what is going on here? the people better get their asses in gear. it appears even when we demand an investigation, they white wash it. how do we break the chains?
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Citizen pajarito and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
“Why is IMPEACHMENT of of the table?”
Yes indeed…the best expample of the corruption of corporate fascism is the dinner Mrs. Pelosi and Mr. Reid had at the White House just before Pelosi issued her famous edict. Everything that has been accomplished by the fascists from the election results of 2000 thru the telecom immunity mess has been enabled or legitimized by the corporate Democrats in leadership includin’ Mrs. Clinton.
KEEP THE FAITH AND IMPEACH EM ALL…AND REMEMBER THAT ALL FASCISTS DON’T CALL THEMSELVES REPUBLICANS!!
Hi Christy—
Off-subject—(sorry)
Please verify that bill that apparently has a secret clause to allow Bush retroactive immunity from war crimes “Terrorist Tribunal” Act which was in the “Military Commissions Act of 2006″…
thanks so much…
No idea what you are talking about. Sorry. Really folks, I’m not some sort of legislative encyclopedia — it does actually take me quite a bit of time to research the things I write…so you’ll have to give me time to look that up. Do you have a particular bill number from whence that purports to come?
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Citizen Hardin Smith:
Could you give us an update on Senator Leahy’s strange actions durin’ recess with regard to hearings for the Bushco nominees?
KEEP THE FAITH AND KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK…BUT LAWYERS AIN’T GUNNA BEAT THESE BASTARDS!!
Today’s local gooper rag FILLED with op/eds offering obits to the Clinton campaign- led by Novak…..Goopers seem to be VERY eager to begin shoveling dirt on her campaign- afraid that she may rise again. Many dems seem to share the sentiment. I find that interesting.
Norske — I’d love to, but I’ve spent the morning fielding questions about Siegelman and impeachment and legislation about which I’ve heard nothing. Soon as I’ve dug up anything new, you know I’ll let you guys know.
Truly, I try and provide instantaneous answers to things whenever possible, but unfortunately, it generally takes more time than a coupla hours to research this stuff. Especially when I’m dealing with a whole lot of folks who are fielding calls and e-mails on a Monday in between trying to get their work done just like I am…and everyone else. Because, frankly, Mondays just suck, don’t they?
I realize what I’m asking and please take your time if you can…
it’s appreciated…
I’m still looking for the bill saw a segment on Cafferty I believe on 10/7/2006—-
Will get back to you if I find any more information…
Okay, so I’m slow. I kind of knew this, but the Siegelman story finally caused it to all crystallize in my head:
The Bush Administration wants broad telecom immunity not merely because the telecom lobbyists want it. They want the telecom immunity because then the telecoms can’t be compelled to cut deals with the prosecution, deals in which they will describe how the Bush Administration abused its wiretap powers to spy on domestic political opponents.
Does anyone after reviewing the Siegelman story really believe this Administration would hesitate to wiretap him, or any other target of their political ire?
Has your phone been a little crackly lately, Christy? Jane? Wouldn’t surprise me in the least…
OT a bunch, but John Edwards is helping to start a new anti-war effort:
http://www.streetinsider.com/P…..96936.html
First they ignore us
Then they laugh at us
Then they fight us
Then we win
(Apologies to Gandhi)
Peace Love Light
I’d have to check a little more to find out the appeals status of Siegleman’s case but the hits just keep on rollin’ when you begin to look at it. The Eleventh circuit has ordered trial Judge Mark Fuller twice to provide more detail on his bond denial, and Fuller has taken his sweet time in doing so. On last Tuesday, February 19, Vince Kilbourn filed a motion with the Eleventh Circuit for the appeal bond, and given their obvious disatisfaction with Fuller’s explanations thus far, I’d given them a reasonable chance of success in getting the Eleventh Circuit to grant the appeal bond soon, and in this case, given the facts, that’s very significant for Governor Siegleman since he may not have to serve 85% of his 7 year sentence. No help is going to come from DOJ–but my gut says this is once of the rare times when the Eleventh will grant the appeal bond and possibly reverse the conviction later.
Siegelman again asks 11th Circuit Court for freedom from prison in Motion filed February 19, 2008
Ca 11 has ordered more detail from Judge Fuller twice on the appeal bond ruling–once in September, once in November of 2007
As I understand it the appeal bond ball is now in the Eleventh Circuit’s court.
Judge Mark Fuller (who must have made Rove and his Canary puppets and his Alice Martin puppet very happy when he had the former governor whisked immediately from the courtroom in cuffs and leg irons–protecting the homeland–and a pretty rare scenario in white collar trial conclusions) has been ordered twice by the Eleventh Circuit to provide more detail in the appeal bond hearing.
The Eleventh Circuit and all the other circuits usually rubber stamp the trial judge when he or she has denied an appeal bond–and the Eleventh Circuit is particularly sparse in granting appeal bonds even to white collar defendants once the trial judge has denied them so this is unusual.
I don’t know what the situation is exactly, but of course if something medical or worse has happened to the Court Reporter, normally the AOC is supposed to assign another reporter to do the transcription, and depending on workload, Siegleman’s attorneys (in this case Vince Kilbourn) have probably been all over getting the transcript completed for the appeal of the trial, which of course wouldn’t impact the Eleventh Circuit’s ruling on his bond.
What I have seen happen and it’s egregious, is that District Court Judges in Alabama and Georgia often get obstinate and hold up their rulings (I’ve seen it happen for as long as a couple years)but again, the defense attorney can goose them hard by complaining to the Eleventh Circuit via motion to get off their ass and issue an explanation of their denial so that you can get them overruled in the Eleventh.
It’s becoming clear that this administration decided early on not to allow laws to keep them from doing what they wanted to do. They had their legal theories of executive power to work with- a gooper congressional majority- and the power of pardon as a back up. Clusterfuck decided to lawyer up early- bringin Gonzo and Miss Harriet all the way from Tejas to make sure that all the skids were properly greased. This has been a very deliberate march.
Following is Cong. Arthur Davis’ response to DOJ refusal to provide committee access to documents related to the case:
CONGRESSMAN ARTUR DAVIS RESPONDS TO DOJ FAILURE TO RELEASE DOCUMENTS IN SELECTIVE PROSECUTION INQUIRY
BIRMINGHAM – “On September 4, 2007, the Department of Justice informed the House Judiciary Committee that it would not honor the Committee’s request for internal documents related to the prosecution of Don Siegelman. In my opinion, the Department’s position is too broad and has no sound legal basis.
“None of these documents implicate prvacy concerns of any known individuals. There has already been an extensive public airing of the allegations around Siegelman and his alleged co-conspirators, and it strains credulity to think that the protection of Siegelman’s reputation is a concern of the Department. Nor is there any statutory provision that ensures the confidentiality of internal Department of Justice deliberations. To the contrary, as the committee’s official response points out, there are several recent precedents for the department divulging deliberative materials relating to allegations of misconduct by the department.
“The Department’s ultimate claim is the kind of expansive executive privilege doctrine this Administration has advanced before. In my opinion, the executive branch’s interest in keeping its deliberations secret has some weight, but it is at its weakest outside the context of national security and it must be balanced against Congress’s constitutionally derived authority of oversight. It cannot be that any government agency can unilaterally declare its decisions off limits to the very Congress that funds that agency and that passes the laws that agency enforces.
“Finally, and most astonishingly, the Department seems to assert that Congress’s oversight role is somehow limited because some of the factual accusations surrounding the Siegelman case are, in the Department’s opinion, strained or not corroborated. It is simply not within the Department’s authority to make itself the arbiter of whether a congressional inquiry merits compliance. Surely an agency of lawyers is not so blind to the constitutional meaning of the separation of powers. “
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If and when the truth actually comes out, these guys are going to make Nixon look like a piker…
Of course, the impeachment debate pre-dates the current infighting over the PAA. While it is nice to see that the House has not followed immediately the Senate’s cave, it is important to remember that this only happened because a few liberal Democrats voted with Republicans to scupper the 21 day extension of the PAA. Pelosi voted for the extension.
I am interested in results and to date Pelosi has been more of an enabler on the PAA than an opponent.
” don’t know what the situation is exactly, but of course if something medical or worse has happened to the Court Reporter, normally the AOC is supposed to assign another reporter to do the transcription, and depending on workload, Siegleman’s attorneys (in this case Vince Kilbourn) have probably been all over getting the transcript completed for the appeal of the trial, which of course wouldn’t impact the Eleventh Circuit’s ruling on his bond.”
Apparently death happened to the court reporter- pretty serious all right.
One of the enormous problems in this being, who can you get to represent the interests of the public when the USA is accused of being politically compromised and the underlying federal judge who heard the intial case and bond pending appeal motion is stonewalling the appeals court? What a freaking mess — that will likely take threats of subpoena enforcement with an in-person appearance and full press attendance to resolve.
It should never, ever get to this point. That the Bush Administration would push things here is appaling enough, all by itself, but the long-term damage something like this does — let alone the additional costs to the public for all the after-the-fact CYA this is going to engender — is beyond infuriating. Shameful, absolutely and completely shameful.
Here’s some information for you Christy regrading my prior inquiry (”Military Commissions Act 2006″)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M…..of_the_Act
The retroactive immunity for war crimes is apparently referred to in the “Criminal and Civil Prosecutions” section..
Thanks—-
I’ve heard “conflict of interest” so many times and it goes nowhere. It is impossible to be objective and impartial if you are making energy policy and you are on the board of Exxon. It clouds the person’s judgment. The most obvious are the numerous corporate lobbyists. They are still there. A finger is wagged at them and it’s business as usual. That seems to be going on in the judicial system as well. Conflict of interest is reduced to a finger wag.
My point on lay people is that they be included as activists. They are untethered to the legal system and can work as an advocate from a totally different angle than lawyers. When I went to prisons to work with our political prisoners, it was as a lay person that I could get access and get a movement going that the lawyers couldn’t.
Re your state abbreviations, MI= Michigan, I think that you ment MS=Mississippi
Pelosi is from San Francisco. There are some heavy hitting telecoms in her district. Don’t know that this explains her actions- but in politics it often does.
There are good and bad points with most of them, Hugh, as you well know. But the blanket statement that Pelosi is like Lieberman was inaccurate and ill-advised in my opinion. Because the public pressure on her and the rest of the Dem leadership (at least in the House) to show more backbone has been working of late. Carrot and stick — not just stick all the time, whether it’s warranted or not.
They are human beings and politicians, not saints — we need to push them where we need them to go when we can. And part of that is encouraging them to keep doing good work where we can find it.
phone, emails, addresses of everyone visiting this site. just like the good old ibm(punch cards) days of hitler. don’t kid yourself, they know who you are too.
I did — sorry about that — was typing too quickly and mistyped that one. Thanks.
There really is no reason to assume otherwise, at this point.
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Citizen Hardin Smith, in fairness to perris, I think he said “it LOOKS like pelosi is in bed with this administration”…and that’s the point, democracy and democratic politics work best when the leaders of the democratic (lower case)opposition use the power of the party base and use transparency to communicate with the greater constituency. That’s the problem with Pelosi and Reid and the DLC corporate Democrats, they’re always sayin’ “trust us, this politics business is complicated and too difficult for common folks to understand…we’ll make the decisions for you, just keep your mouths shut.”
That ain’t gunna cut it…if Pelosi is really such a progressive champion in all this, she’ll use the power of the Democratic base and popular opinion to keep ‘er troops in line. AND of course she won’t campaign for fascist Quislings against progressive challengers…in fact if she wanted to really keep the Blue Dogs in line she’d pure money into every primary opponent of the bastards. No dear that tired old dog “she’s working her ass off along with Conyers” just won’t hunt…show me the money honey!!
KEEP THE FAITH…YA DON’T HAFTA MAKE EXCUSES FOR ‘EM ANYMORE…THEY JEST AIN’T DRESSED FER THE PARADE!!
Yes.
Another edition of simple answers . . . (h/t Atrios)
There is no secret clause. The MCA is a public law. In it, Bush is given the power to make the determination that the Geneva Conventions are being substantially complied with. The MCA also contains a retroactive immunity going back to IIRC 1997 for intelligence personnel who acquired information from torture.
But in its current impotent state, it’s still a house of cards. (((mixes metaphors liberally)))
Pelosi seems determined to give the House back to the Republics. After that, perhaps the Democrats will be wiser if they get another chance to pick a Speaker.
Further to what Hugh said — which is accurate as I remember the bill — if there were a “secret clause,” how on earth would you expect me to be able to verify it? *G* Hugh’s right, though, there isn’t one that I know of…it’s intel immunity only, as I recall it. Been a while since I’ve read it from beginning to end though.
I can’t believe they are having problems getting the transcript. In many places you can get real time transcripts.
Most of the federal courts I have tried cases in are so Buck Rogers you need a damn computer wiz at your arm or run the risk of being found in contempt of the pre-trial orders.
nixon was a piker
http://www.tarpley.net/bush12.htm
That’s why I like Jack Cafferty! He’s usually or at least frequently, right on!
I’ve been thinking about this whole issue and I’m still at a loss as to why the telecos even considered wireless wiretapping a viable option.
They are just as vulnerable as the rest of us, probably even more so because of their specific profession and the apparent working relationship with this little scheme.
You would think the telcos would know the broad ramifications regarding this kind of compromising relationship.
I would really like to hear their side because of this and also because of what apparently happened to the telco Qwest’s ceo when he refused to go along with this program.
This is from me, lay person. A role I’ve chosen.
We have a lawless government that mocks the law of the land. Like the Mofia, they control the AG, CIA hitmen, give favors to citizens who lie and trump up false charges against the administration’s opposition (whom they call enemies of the state – their state of power) and they control the military and private armies, they control the citizens’ purse which they use to fill their own coffers in various forms of self-serving earmarks.
We the citizens are their suckers.
Laws are used against us to imprison us and shut us up.
Congress is bought by them.
What kind of government do I live in?
The difference in the house is that the dems now control the agenda. Prior to 06 all Clusterfuck had to do was have a wet dream and it became a house bill overnight- now he’s dead in the water as far as controlling the legislative agenda. He hasn’t even bothered proposing much legislation cause he knows it’s unlikely to even come up for a vote.
It was VERY important to get control of the house- and especially the senate.
Correction “warrantless wiretapping”—-
Sorry—
A question today is, how much backbone do the journalists have? Or is it all under the bootheel of corporate owners?
How much investigating/reporting is going on at ABC, NBC, CNN regarding the Siegelman story now broken by CBS/60 Minutes?
I know, Dancin’ Dave, Rove’s BFF and backup dancer, and his colleagues at Newsweek and the NYTimes and the Washington Post are right on it….
or not.
Why should a “secret clause” hold up? Who says it has to be the holy of holy laws created by the junta that must be the law of the land?
Digg to Olbermann?
Alabama whistleblower says Rove trying to smear her.
The media are whores. If they sense that the power in the nation is moving in the dem direction, so will they. The last months of the Clusterfuck administration may be the worst for him- if the dem candidate is leading strongly.
(sigh) I know. It’s just taking so long, and the big issues are still in peril, e.g., FISA and warrantless wiretapping and (stand back, here she goes again!) impeachment.
Wonder if it was this case that caused Rover to bail from the White House? Smell was too ripe even for Clusterfuck?
The people took up Rubin Carter’s cause. The press came along for the ride. They didn’t break the case and keep it in the public eye. The public kept their own eyes open and applied relentless pressure.
The new reporter has asked for and received an extension of at least two months.
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Citizen ticktock and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
“…I’m still at a lose as to why the telcos even considered wireless wiretapping a viable option. They’re just as vulnerable as the rest of us”.
No dear they’re not…the telcos and every single other corporate player answer to the same bosses, the trusts and the trust families. In fact, the telcos didn’t have a choice, look at what happened to the one who stood up…he’s been convicted of insider tradin’.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE COMPAZINE…THIS IS GUNNA SMELL A LOT WORSE WHEN THE WHOLE ROTTEN CORPSE IS EXPOSED!!
Thanks, This is VERY interesting. Appreciate anything you can share.
Yeah- it’s tough to stomach when you see illegal acts going unpunished.
A similar case to this occured in Delaware when Sherry Freebery, a former New Castle County police chief and county chief administrative officer, and her boss Tom Gordon were persecuted by Bush appointee US Atty. Colm Connolly. He built up a case with scores of charges on the indictments and spent 5 years investigating and ruunning this through the courts. End result…the Federal judge threw out all the charges but one and blasted the Prosecutors. Freebery pled nolo to one charge of receiving an unreported loan to a friend not listed on her filed financial records. The lender had no business in front of Freebery at all. No bribe, nada. Freebery paid a small fine and spent no time in jail.
But Freebery said that the trials had bankrupted her and ruined her career and that of others…which may have been just what Connolly wanted after all.
Your absolutely right but that whole program (warrantless wiretapping) makes it so much easier for Bush to look up the telecos skirts to see if there’s anything going on,
Exactly what would of been the fate of any of the other telecos if they refused this program?
Thanks for all the hard work Christy!
Yes, thanks and good job.
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Citizen rwcole and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
“It was very important to get control of the house-and especially the senate.”
And now that that’s been accomplished they are in the position to do what exactly? No, brother cole, that old toothless hound won’t hunt anymore either…the Democratic Party elected leadership has been playin by the fascist playbook at least since 1996, they don’t want the Democratic majority to be wide enough to govern. Look, the head of Mrs. Clinton’s campaign is an employee of the head of McCain’s campaign and they BOTH answer to the Bushes. None of the current elected Democratic leadership gets off the hook for their incompetence over the last 8 years!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T TRUST THE BASTARDS UNLESS THEY SHOW YA THE MONEY!!
Bless yer heart Ticjtock, but Bush never had to “look up the telco’s skirts”, he OWNS the telcos…get it?
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Firepup Freedom Fighters:
The only way we restore our Constitution and rekindle the fire in the belly to battle for justice and a rule of law is to indict, try and convict the entire Bush family structure under RICO, espionage and international laws against war crimes. Absent a complete purging of the ruling oligarchy and new anti-trust laws that re-write the laws controling incorporation of wealth, we are doomed to repeat this fascist nightmare over and over again until that have squeezed every dime from the public treasury and put a lean on future revenues into the 22nd century.
That’s a great question: WHY IS IMPEACHMENT OFF THE TABLE?
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…TOO MANY HAVE DIED TO FORGIVE!!
My thought exactly, doesn’t the Siegelman case make an interesting tie in to the two agriculture commissioners in Texas?
What? I thought this was Christypedia!
- Tom ;-)
ps. After watching the 60 Minutes piece, I’m envisioning Karl Rove behind prison walls dumping out dirty water from a mop bucket while Don Siegelman enjoys life as a free man.
No transcript, thus no appeal. Court recorder died, is all I know. More on DKos last nite and on fuller.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/24/193628/369
and FPage right now.
Let’s not forget that the repub. operative who came forward is said to :
have been run off the road
had her house burn down.
but I have no source for that.
I appreciate your digging into this, and also the work you’ve been doing with the McCain lobbying problems. As you say when the DOJ is running in its current context, and Congress is moving at a glacial pace in investigating this situation and in making Rove account for what are obviously systemic mucking into DOJ in a way that has probably not happened in the history of this country, it is a freaking mess.
Siegelman judge’s firm got $18 million contract by Attorney Scott Horton
Horton has called Judge Mark Fuller’s memorandum opinions frivilous, and much worse.
This is the September order from Eleventh Circuit Judges Susan Black and Stanley Marcus. Marcus was US Attorney in the Southern District of Florida and then was a district court judge, and appointed to the Eleventh Circuit by Bill Clinton. Judge Black was appointed by George (the daddy) Bush after being appointed as a District Court Judge in the Middle District of Florida.
There is a well known case that is considered on point and controlling precedent in the Eleventh Circuit and is always bandied about by defense attorneys and the government when an appeal bond is sought and that case is US v. Giancola 754 F. 2d, 898 (11th Cir. 1985). Giancola requires that the case on appeal present a “substantial question” (which is often in the eye of the beholder. What is a substantial question has been split in the circuits.
According to the NACDL in Bail Pending Appeal : The Bail Reform Act
Eleventh Circuit Order (Remand to Fuller from Black and Marcus November 7, 2007
Judge Mark Fuller’s Original Order on Siegelman’s Appeal
Fuller’s Second 30 Page Opinion Denying Siegelman Bond
Don Siegelman has been a casualty of this freaking mess that you describe. Rove painted a target on his back, and he had the soldiers to carry it out. Now there is little to make the general of the army, Mukasey uncover what he has pledged to cover up for the Unitary Executive he serves.
I do though, feel optimistic that the judge on the Eleventh who has been assigned to rule on this appeal, and the panel later will have had a belly full from Fuller, and given the national attention that thankfully this case is getting, they will respond and give Siegleman the relief he deserves in the bond and later the appeal. They denied Scrushy’s appeal bond, but the circumstances are very different in Scrushy’s prosecution and Siegleman’s.
I haven’t read the 30 page memorandum opinion from Fuller or the other response to the Eleventh Circuit, but obviously whoever has been assigned the bond motion isn’t impressed with his explanations.
Siegleman’s case is hardly the only case where prosecutorial misconduct has taken place, and its rare of course for Congress to hold hearings at all.
Christy may have linked Time Magazine’s Earlier article on how Rove set this up. Rove has been a long time operative in Alabama elections, and made many requests for dirt like the one he alledgedly made to Jill Simpson for film of sexually ‘comprimising positions.’
Your question is a good one. Vince Kilborn, his attorney is a well known outstanding attorney as was his dad in Alabama. He’s very familiar with the process, and is doing everything he can to expedite the appeal and appeal bond. I’ve posted the current Eleventh Circuit order issued November 7, 2007 asking for briefs from the government and the Mr. Kilborn on the appeal bond, and I’ve posted the trial judge’s two memoranda opinions in the appeal bond situation as well. I’ve provided context, and I think there is a reasonable chance that the Eleventh circuit judges assigned to the appeal bond, Black (George Bush the daddy) and Marcus (Bill Clinton) who were prior district court judges in Florida, will grant the appeal bond.
Whatever happened to the Court reporter, believe me there is not a lost transcript and there is not a situation here where “no transcript no appeal has taken place”, and as Christy says, getting the transcript out from a court reporter can have a number of reasons for delay.
I don’t know what happened in this particular trial but I guarantee you that if there was a problem with the recording device (and they vary from sophisticated to primitive) the court reporter would have informed Judge Fuller immediately. Court reporters are assigned to/hired by each district court judge, and they work with the judge’s deputy clerk on any transcription problem.
The Siegelman appeal will happen. What has been delayed by egregious behavior on Fuller’s part has been the appeal bond, but he knows the Eleventh Circuit is watching him, and he has served on panels of the Eleventh Circuit under a regrettable system that uses district court judges as part of a substantial percentage of the panels on the Appeals court–often from far flung states who don’t have a clue about the precedents in that particular circuit, but enjoy the free travel and a couple days of shopping.
Hi Quaker Girl,
You might want to look a little further into the rubin carter case. It isn’t all black and white. no pun intended…
Christy, I’m just stopping in a little late. Thanks for the great article on Siegelman. Fortunately I was able to find the full 60 minutes piece (at TPM I think) and catch it all.
I’m also reading that the hatchet jobs are rolling out against anyone covering the story…at least locally.
Das OK! Affer Obama takes over ever thang gonna be jes FINE! We’re gonna HOPE an CHANGE ALLLLL da bad shit away!!!! Sunlight gonna stream down in inspirin rays of possibilites an we’re gonna never have no winter, no snow, nor bad teeth nor NOTHIN cause OBAMA gone SAVE US ALL by bringin us ALL TOGETHER!!!!!! Hey, who’s dat guy named Rezko talkin deals wit da prosicuter?
Aide: Mr. President, there’s somebody here named Rico. Says he needs to see you real quick.
Dubya: Ask him what it’s about.
Aide: He says he’s here to take out you and your entire administration.
Dubya: What? Is he inviting us on a date?
Aide: No Mr. President. I think he’s with the police.
Dubya: Police? Inviting us on a date? I don’t understand. Will somebody get me Jeffie Gannon? He might be able to help me out with this handcuffs and dating thing.
Unfortunately this is standard operating procedure for the DOJ. It’s been ramped up by Rove and company, expecting the public to swallow it. Mainstreaming prosecutorial misconduct. They may have picked the wrong man for their experiment though.
If you want sunshine, then someone connected to Siegelman needs to set up a blog or website exposing the prosecution, like this person is doing; http://trewthe.wordpress.com/ A great way to get helpful annonymous information.
Meanwhile, it’s a sure thing that DOJ snitches are taking turns buddying up to Siegelman, so he needs to be careful.
Rezko is no one you have to worry about, unless you think he could implicate you one day with Fitz. If you have any substantive evidence that Rezko is ‘talking deals’, I’d sure like to see it. Rezko is going to trial, and if you can use the google, you can find out who he is.
I always get a chuckle out of the people who think Tony Rezko has anything to do with President Obama. Maybe you confused the name Rezko with Hsu, or Mark Rich whose wife paid a $400,000 bribe to get a pardon while he was a fugitive, or possibly Frank Guistra and Kazakistan Bill dealing for the $31.5 million
That “shame on you” really appeals to that octaginarian white women with less than a high school education demography doesn’t it?
Meet her in Ohio baby–she’s pissed off and ready to rumble during her death rattle.
PetePierce, as I’ve been reading through these responses, I’ve increasingly begun looking for your name in the header so that I can slow down and process. I’d love to see a front-pager by you on this topic somewhere down the line.
And while your focus allows you to get a chuckle out of secularhumanizinevoluter, s/he just does a great job of pissing me off with the jeering ebonics version of Obama rhetoric.
I meant to say although this is way EPU’d that one thing I would have included in the remand that the law clerk for either Judges Stanley Marcus or Susan Black at the Eleventh circuit did not, would have been time limits for both the AUSA on the case Franklin to file their motions. They could have, as they do when they rarely request motions from the bench during oral argument, technically called a “Minute Order.”
I would have also done so when I remanded to Judge Fuller the second time. Out of respect for Fuller, they didn’t put a time frame on the remand after his first order denying Siegelman’s appeal, but given his obfuscation and the time he and his law clerk took in issuing a routine Giancola denial of an appeal bond, I would have taken charge of the timeframe when the trial judge clearly indicated he was going to play glacier and hold this appeal up.
I find judges and congressmen don’t get a sense of what their blithe disregard for time in other peoples’ lives is doing until they become defendants, and that doesn’t happen often enough (although a bus load of Republican Congressmen have gone to prison and Delay is on the way).
The last judge I remember who felt the pressure of a federal investigation was Judge K. Michael Moore, Sourthern District of Florida in November of 1992 and was part of the opinion in >U.S. v. Cerceda, 139 F.3d 847 (11th Cir. 1998.
Whew! Now that was a pleasure to read. *g*
This is way EPU’d and I didn’t get the chance to read this thread until later, and finish this until much later, but I’ll catch up with you and link this later.
That article you linked here is simply legally misinformed and naive (and I don’t mean that in a mean spirited tone–its’ author’s heart is in the right place), and it does tell me what happened to the transcript and why it was delayed.
Jimmy Dickens’ (the original court reporter)death and the transcript delay as a result, has nothing to do with the appeal bond releasing Siegelman while he awaits the case appeal process.
Also you should realize that while the transcript isn’t completed yet, that Siegelman’s attorney is a busy criminal attorney who tries large cases all the time and has a lot of appeals going in the Eleventh Circuit. This is par for the course of a busy successful criminal attorney. And that means that when they file their first brief, it’s going to be a good number of pages according to the 11th Circuit Rules or FRAPS, and it’s going to take a considerable amount of work. It’s going to take time–it’s a damn big deal to the attorney and to his client Governor Siegelman. Very likely, in that amount of time, the transcript due in March according to Judge Anderson, will be completed. And as I’ve said repeatedly, the transcript has nothing to do with getting Siegleman out of his cinderblock prison cube; the motions to do that has been made back in June, and it has been remanded twice to Judge Fuller requesting more and better briefing (from his law clerk actually–and maybe Fuller. Frankly after reading those opinions, both of them seem to be equally dim bulbs to me–it was embarassing to read those opinions–but it just goes to show you what can get through a law school and onto the federal bench. Scott Horton said they were pathetic opinions, and I could not agree with him more.
I also suspect that if lawyers here read them, they might concur.
Fuller has little to do with holding up the transcript. If something happened to the original court reporter, (and I now know that he died–I’m sorry)– he is an employee of the AOC or Administrative Office of Courts–the agency that administrates court personnel and equipment and publications and funding for equipment as granted by Congress.
Also the article says that Lanier Anderson, Cheif Judge of the Eleventh Circuit, gave them until March to finish the transcript. Maybe that holds up the main appeal a bit, but I doubt it and here’s why. Depending on the attorney’s schedule, while he had to get the one sentence notice of appeal in to the Eleventh Circuit–that appeal doesn’t start getting looked at or triaged by the Eleventh Circuit until Siegelman’s lawyer writes his brief, and knowing this case and others like it their may well be an amicus brief or two.
If I were Seigelman’s attorney, I’d already be recruiting NACDL to weigh in with a motion for leave to file an amicus brief, in hopes that they would also get oral argument time and provide some valuable help.
Siegelman’s attorney, Vince Kilborn, has written Mukasey a letter to ask him to appoint a Special Counsel. Let me assure you that is part of the publicity he wants as backdrop for his appeal, but the actual chances that Mukasey will appoint any special counsel before he and Bush leave office in January are none and none over zilch to the zilch power cubed. It ain’t gonna happen, and Vince is way to smart not to already know this. As I said before, DOJ is not about to assist in the investigation of this foul smelling case. It’s their piece of shit, or Gonzales and now Mukasey’s piece of shit, and they aren’t about to uncover it for the whole world. It certainly includes Rove, and it probably includes Addington, Miers, and a pinch of Fielding as well–with a a chunk of Cheney as a side dish. The DOJ that Christy knew and LHP knew might have cared about integrity enough to investigate, but I promise you, although Mukasey promised Chuck Schumer he’d look at this case, he’s not going to do diddly squat to investigate it via a Special Counsel. If he does anything, it will be internal DOJ–or let me help you with the concept–Fox/Hencoop. I seriously doubt whether Glenn Fine’s OPR gets involved in this.
The front or lie to the world from DOJ is that they avoided any inpropriety by replacing the scumbags and political puppets Leura Canary and U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama Alice Martin with someone from the public integrity section of DOJ to try Siegelman–so there are no problems with the case.
Most defendants who are white collar are granted an appeal bond, but when they don’t get one at the trial court level, the transcript has nothing to do with it. Sometimes they don’t get one. We’re in the Eleventh Circuit here. Let’s take an example. Bill Campbell was a successful attorney, who had been a assistant U.S. attorney a few years back. He became Mayor of Atlanta. He was tried and convicted, and he was denied an appeal bond. He appealed this denial to the Eleventh Circuit, and they denied him, and about a year ago they released a written opinion on his appeal.
In contrast to the appeal of the conviction, the motion for an appea bond is a simple motion filed in accordance with 18 U.S.C. § 1343, particularly 18 U.S.C. § 1343(b)(1)(A)–arguing that your client shows by “clear and convincing evidence” that he/she is not likely to flee or pose a danger to another person or the community. In the Eleventh Circuit, you’re also going to argue that you meet the “substantial question burden” according to good ‘ole United States v. Giancola, 754 F.2d 898 (11th Cir. 1985), which defined “substantial question” as “a ‘close’ question or one that very well could be decided the other way.”
Judge Fuller did hold up his opinions on the appeal bond, even after the Eleventh Circuit remanded his ridiculous opinion back to him requiring more explanation, and while the remand was unusual, Fuller’s delay was not that unusual and nothing in the Judicial Cannons (as your article referenced incorrectly) is going to touch Fuller’s conduct–and frankly rarely does anything in the Judicial Cannons remotely touch anything a judge gets away with. They don’t have a Judicial Cannon for stupidity, and they don’t have a Judicial Cannon for when a federal judge completes part of an appellate panel from St. Elsewhere and knows as much as my dog (maybe less) about the precedents in the circuit or how the circuit analyzes legislative history on the FREs (Federal Rules of Evidence) or some other Federal Rule. They don’t have a Judicial Cannon for pure rudeness, and lack of empathy which is what Fuller exhibited when he held up his opinions on bale for two months during one remand and 3-4 months during another.
They are very broad; and when a rare complaint is lodged it is considered by the Eleventh Circuit (in this venue) Disiplinary Committee and you had better believe the foxes guard the hencoop. It is extraordinary–think once in a life time if that for a bell shaped curve of federal judges ever to be disciplined. The last time any significant dicipline was meted out to a federal judge Alcee Hastings was impeached by the House in 1988 and convicted by the Senate in 1989 and removed from the bench. He now is in the House of Representatives. Is this a great country or what? The Senate could have but did not prevent him from seeking federal office again. His alleged co-conspirator by the way went to jail rather than testify against Hastings during the impeachment and he was later given a full pardon on his last day of office by William Jefferson Clinton. I believe that this William Clinton is married to someone who is running for office–I’ll have to check–isn’t her name “Grrrrrr Meet Me in Cleveland Ohio?” I’ll get back to you when I confirm that he is married to the Clinton running for President and her waterloo on March 4.
Here’s the way this works:
Siegelman’s appeal bond (i.e. his getting out of prison while he awaits the average 18 months that it will take for the Eleventh Circuit to decide his appeal) has nothing to do with the timing of the completion of his transcript. What often happens with a transcript delay, is that you call the Court Reporter or the attorney has already communicated with them during the trial or at the end of it and has a good idea of what their work load is. Here’s a typical actual example: Court reporter breaks up with boyfriend at the end of a trial and decides to move out of state. You call her and see what can be worked out. She decides to hunker down and finish the transcript expeditiously, or may wantto do her move before finisihing–and whatever else she has to work on can figure into this equation. It is also possible in some instances when the funding is available, and the equipment allows now more frequently, to request “dailies” or the transcription of that day’s procedings in the trial court. In many instances now,depending on equipment used, the judge can see the transcription in real time on his or her screen.
In this case, the court reporter died, and it is up to the Administrative Office of Courts and the District Court executive in Birmingham at the Northern District Court in Alabama to promptly replace the dead court reporter. At first I was confused because some commentor said “the recorder died”, but now I know they meant the court reporter.
When a trial court judge denies bond, as obviously has happened here, you simply appeal that denial to the Circuit court of appeals which in this case is CA 11. There is no need for the trial transcript in this case for the Eleventh Circuit to rule on appeal–and unless the defendant had exhibited extraordinary behavior in the courtroom, the transcript has nothing to do with them granting appeal bond. I do remember an extraordinary instance where at sentencing the defendant urinated on his Federal Defender who was his attorney. That kind of conduct on a transcript is not conducive to an appeal bond and then the transcript would probably be excerpted by the government if an appeal bond were an issue in such a case–but again, ordinarily the transcript does not figure in the motion for an appeal bond–it is required for the appeal of the trial itself–a different matter entirely.
After Libby was found guilty, you’ll recall, there was posting of motions for his appeal bond all over the web, before he would have been required to report to the BOP (Bureau of Prisons) that I believe Christy and others were posting here and Marcy was linking at her site back then.
Shortly before Libby was to report, and just after the D.C. Circuit denied him an appeal bond, Bush stepped in and commuted his sentence. Libby dropped his appeal, reasoning that if he was granted a new trial intead of a complete reversal, and Bush was gone from the Oval by that time, he might well be convicted and in that real world, President Obama would crack open a bottle of bubbly the day he had to report to prison. Now there is speculation that Bush may soon grant him a full pardon. If Obama wins the election, and I think he will, I think you can take a Bush full pardon to the bank. He has already (or his benefactors have including Tucker Carlson’s rich daddy) paid his fine.
The transcript is needed and will be provided for the appeal of the case in March. The extension for transcription ordered by Judge Lanier Anderson because a new court reporter was appointed may be holding up Siegelman’s appeal by a few months, but given the timing of the Eleventh Circuit, if Siegelman’s case is one of the 17.5% that are granted oral argument in the Eleventh Circuit, that will take an average of 18 months. And as I said, it is going to take time for Siegelman’s attorney to craft the first appellate brief anyway. He hasn’t filed it yet.
Here’s what happens and all of this is according to a briefing schedule that the clerk will initiate once Siegelman’s appeal is filed–according to very specific timing dictated by the FRAPS (Federal Rules of Appelate Procedure) and each circuit has tweaked those rules according to their own FRAPS.
Keep in mind again, Siegelman’s getting out while his appeal works its way has nothing to do with this transcript delay.
An appeal is filed with the Eleventh Circuit. Like other federal Circuits, although this varies a little as to staffs, they have a large number of attornies who are “staff attornies” who screen the appeals. If an appeal is decided to have enough merit, and this is unfortunate because we’re talking about 17.5% currently that make the cut, it will be granted oral argument and put on the oral argument calendar–and the panel of 3 judges will not be announced until shortly before oral argument.
If it is one of the 82.5% of cases in the Eleventh Circuit that do not get oral argument, there will be a per curiam ruling. This opinion may only have a simple couple sentences that say the appeal is “affirmed.” That is quite a profound short changing for a defendant, but it’s the way the system works. This has happened over the years because of the exponential explosion of cases on appeal which occured after Congress passed a series of laws to deal with drug offenses–mainly crack cocaine in 1986.
Christy I don’t know what the court reporter used at trial, but I do think I have the information you want connected with the transcript. Here’s what happened:
From this article:
So the transcript is intact, and Entrekin wrote a letter to the Chief Judge of the Eleventh Circuit, Lanier Anderson, asking for an extension for the transcript, and she got one from Anderson until March 31.
What is confusing some people here, certainly not you, is that the transcript delay has nothing to do with the motion for an appeal bond which was delayed by Fuller, the district court judge who was ordered to issue a memorandum opinion giving his reasons for denial by the two Eleventh Circuit judges Stanley Marcus and Susan Black assigned to rule on the appeal bond, and he balked at first. He was again ordered, and he has issued two opinions that IMHO are horribly written by he and his law clerk, and I linked them above. I know this is way EPUed, but I’ll catch up with you sometime later.
I really have a feeling in my gut that given the sequence of events, although it is rare for a white collar case to be denied a bond–but it happens, and even rarer for the Eleventh Circuit to remand twice on the bond issue, that they have had it with Fuller and they will probably grant the appeal bond soon. I have no idea why they are waiting to rule now. Ball is definitely in their court, and on November 7, 2007 they gave the acting US Attorney in the case Franklin, and Vince Kilborn and David McDonald Siegelman’s attorneys 30 days to file additional briefs on the appeal bond motion.
As you know extremely well, the appeal bond has nothing to do with the transcript in this case. In addition to the 18 U.S.C. § 1343(b)(1)(A)motion that the defendant is not a flight risk/danger to the community, in the Eleventh Circuit, the onpoint case always argued as precedent is United States v. Giancola, 754 F.2d 898 (11th Cir. 1985)where the meaning of a “substantial question” was defined by the panel to be a “close questionor one that could very well be decided the other way.”
When reading subjective language like that in opinions proposed as a standard, I always am reminded from my English major of Coleridge’s “willing suspension of disbelief that constitutes poetic faith” and the Coleridge site on that is Biographica Literaria Chapter 14 (1817) later quoted in T.S. Eliot’s The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock” and even more of Jimmy Buffett’s coment onMargaritaville:
Where’s Margaritaville? Wherever you want it to be!
The last comment may not make sense to you but it means to me that these substantial question arguments which are split in the Circuits are very subjective.
I think Siegelman meets the standards for the Eleventh Circuit in spades.