Scott Horton, who has been all over this story from day one had this to say:
[AG Woods] leveled a series of blistering accusations at the Bush Administration’s Justice Department. With the Alabama G.O.P. this evening issuing a near-hysterical statement in which it characterizes the CBS broadcast—before its transmission—as an anti-Republican attack piece it was notable that Woods, like the piece’s other star witness, is a Republican….
Attorney General Woods has this to say about the Bush Justice Department’s prosecution of Siegelman: “I personally believe that what happened here is that they targeted Don Siegelman because they could not beat him fair and square. This was a Republican state and he was the one Democrat they could never get rid of.”
In other words, not being able to beat Siegelman at the polls, Woods believes that his own party corruptly used the criminal justice process to take out an adversary….
As Scott says, the crux of this whole hypocritical, selective prosecution is as follows:
Indeed, Karl Rove pursued financing for the Bush-Cheney campaign in 2000 and again in 2004 by organizing a special elite status—called “Pioneers” and “Rangers”—for persons who donated or raised $100,000 or more for the campaign. These donors understood that if they wanted to be appointed to a government office, like an ambassadorship, they only had to ask for it.
So how many Bush-Cheney donors in amounts of one hundred thousand and more were appointed to government offices or to positions in the Bush-Cheney transition team? The answer is one hundred and forty-six (146). And in how many of those cases did the Justice Department initiate investigations of corruption? The answer is zero (0). The Justice Department’s rationale is that this crime is one that can be committed by Democrats alone. When a Republican does it, it’s normal campaign fundraising.
But even if we accept that it’s possible for the Bush Department to create a new category of “Democrats Only” Crimes, we still have the basic fact that the evidence on which the Siegelman conviction was secured was false, and was known by the prosecutors to be false from the beginning….
Disgusting. And who pops up as Karl Rove’s laywer? Yes, indeedy, it’s Gold Bars Luskin.
"Mr. Rove never made such a request to her or anyone else," Luskin said in an email to The Associated Press. "Had ’60 Minutes’ taken the trouble to contact Mr. Rove before circulating this falsehood, he would have told them the same thing."
In its statement, CBS said Rove declined to speak with "60 Minutes."
Credible, that one. Luskin’s up to his old spin the media, and hope no one bothers to check the facts tricks again (you remember that from the Libby days, don’t you?)…unfortunately for him, people are. Larisa Alexandrovna, whose reporting on the DOJ’s fumbling denials has been stellar, had this to say about Rove’s pressure tactics on the media of late:
As 60 Minutes was putting its show together, the White House put pressure on CBS — the parent company — to kill the show. Over the last few days, as word got out that the 60 Minutes show would air tonight, Karl Rove’s associates began planting defamatory stories about journalists working on this story (see example here) and attacking the whistle-blower who came forward, Dana Jill Simpson. If you recall, Ms. Simpson testified, under oath, to Congress about Karl Rove’s involvement in politicizing the DOJ. What you may not know, however, is that her house mysteriously caught fire and she was run off the road in the weeks leading up to her testimony.
What you may also not know is that Governor Siegelman’s house was broken into twice during his trial as was his attorney’s office.
Yesterday, the attacks on Simpson and journalists increased with a series of emails from the Alabama GOP. See Here….
No amount of Tapdancing Luskin clears the fumes of a Turdblossom special. This whole thing has reeked from day one, and nothing short of every last fact and detail publicly being exposed will do.
Prosecutors should never, ever go after someone for political purposes. Ever. Anyone who would seek to use the enormous power of prosecutorial office — sinking its reputation for justice and fairness for the common good, and warping its quasi-judicial responsibility to weigh facts against what is just – ought to be brought to the bar of justice themselves.
No one, and I mean no one, should ever use a prosecution for personal political gain. Period. That sort of manipulative smarm is not only antithetical to what "justice" means, but it taints the entire process with a coat of slime that decent prosecutors will be working to undo for years – which puts communities at risk because juries will suspect a taint even where there is none.
That the Bush Administration would do so shows a calculated and wholesale disrespect for the rule of law and basic tenets of decency in government. That they would do so on occasion after occasion — permeating the Department of Justice with politicized cronies? Shows a calculated plan to undermine the legal process for personal gain. And that is unforgiveable. It puts at risk the entire system of justice on which our government was founded by tainting the entire process from start to finish.
And that endangers all of us.
(YouTube is a little Joan Jett, "Bad Reputation." Seemed fitting.)



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The US takes poltical prisoners and then Newsweek hires the engineers of said crimes to spout his propaganda on a weekly basis.
E-mail Newsweek and ask them why they are covering up the Siegleman story.
-G
I TIVO’d the report last night because The Peanut was still up when it aired and watching a cartoon. Watched the whole thing twice after the Oscars last night. Even though I knew a lot of the details already, it still thoroughly pissed me off. Absolutely digsusting.
WHNT statement: http://www.whnt.com/Global/story.asp?S=7918345
Should we be asking Leahy and Conyers for more hearings and appointment of a prosecutor outside of DOJ? Can this happen?
Lou — if you click through on the Horton link up top, you’ll see that the parent CBS broadcasting folks call the WHNT statement a load of hooey. The Bass Family has, apparently, stirred themselves into a whole lot of “nope, you hold the bag on this one” from the CBS parent company.
RICO these mofos for God’s sake.
-G
Speaking of endangering things, the Bass family might be putting their station license at risk.
Using the public airways is a privilege, not a right, and the manipulation and lies about editing out a story they don’t like might be detrimental to getting their station license renewed.
No one says they have to air something they don’t want to air — but lying about it makes a mockery of “serving the public interest.”
I’m with ya CHS…The Bass Family are just a bunch of BushBots.
Once again we need the lawyers to take to the streets. In Alabama this time. Go on strike, tie up the courts… blissfully day dreaming here.
It is too long until the next administration and besides the chimp will pardon anyone and everyone that had anything to do with this administration.
I think the story said that Conyers’ committee had either requested or subpoened Rove and had been refused. Once again, it looks like the legislature has no authority to compel appearance if the executive refuses to enforce.
I remember Artur Davis pressing one DOJ representative over this case pretty hard during the U.S. Attorney Firing hearings. If you Google the case, one Alabama liberal blog suggests Davis might be the next Alabama GOP target.
Morning to you, Christy:
Breaking news right and left. Hang on to your seats, flight’s gonna be bumpy:
Mitt Romney might be back in race
Because all of the people Bush would be pardoning were involved in crimes that also included him, can’t we frame potential pardons as obstruction of justice and a certain trip to jail for Chimpy?
From the FCC website:
[Emphasis added]
Like, perhaps, an order to unplug the station’s transmitter until the Siegelman segment was over?
Under normal circumstances, you’d be correct. But do you really think the Bush FCC will sanction a station for trying to supress a story that Bush really wanted supressed?
What I’m enjoying is that their decision to edit that segment has really given the story life. If they had just ran it without comment, it would likely blow over.
Now it’s not likely to do so. The connections of the Bass family to the story coupled with their outright lie about how it happened (CBS broadcast control would know if that piece of equiptment failed) makes good reading.
Boxturtle (With so many corrupt politicians out there, we shouldn’t have to frame one)
Dude, where’s my country?
Stuff the Turdblossom into a brown paper bag and set it afire on the White House porch. Watch the s**t fly as Bush stomps it out!
For folks who didn’t get to see the show yet, 60 Minutes has the whole episode up on its website here.
I believe the only way to stop him is to impeach him.
Biodun I @13 Apt comment number. Well done
The drill:
Spotlight.
Digg.
FYI …. Grant Woods is former Arizona AG and is a Republican… more in the libertarian vein and actually who I consider with the use of the full term vs the degrading repug.
Good Morning and thanks Christy!
I hope the blackout propels this story to the top of the charts.
He’s also a co-chair of McCain’s AZ campaign hierarchy — so him stepping forward to talk about this on camera is huge, and cannot in any way be dismissed as some non-GOP talking point crap like the AL GOP is trying to do (along with the usual wurlitzer mouthpieces who are leaving their asses hanging out in a strong unethical gale by doing so).
Good morning pups!
Unbelievable story. Well, we’ve got plenty of work to do.
You know, the dumbest part of the blackout is that the Bass family has now ensured that curious people all over AL will seek out the show and awtch it now who would never in a million years have bothered to watch 60 Minutes. A whole lot of them might not believe the story because they think it’s partisan or whatever, but a whole host of people will — and a whole lot of them would never, ever have bothered to wsatch or raise questions had the Bass family not tried to squelch it in the first place. I say “just desserts.”
Amen.
I sure hope so.
right!
and here’s more digging in the same vein
(from the previous thread)
What sort of work do you have in mind?
I understand he is an official in the McCain campaign. Anyway, it was reassuring that there are a few who understand how the country is supposed to work. It reminded me of William Cohen, Lowell Weicker, and a number of other principled Republicans involved in the Watergate hearings and impeachment.
Grant Woods pops up supporting various things here that make you go huh! in the scoobydo kind of way. I seem to remember he also was doing work for JD Hayworth too…. But on a whole he still has a conscious and understands right & wrong. Yep a Republican with some ethics…. AND from AZ…
From the WHNT apology: “To correct the problem, we will re-air the broadcast of that segment during NewsChannel 19 at 10 Sunday night.”
Two thoughts:
(1) I think the station’s legal folks might have gotten on the phone to the Bass family and said “look, if you don’t want a lot of folks crawling all over your operation, to see if you knowingly tanked a story and then lied about it — thus jeopardizing your license — you damn well better put the story on the air sometime.”
(2) I wonder what their 10PM ratings were . . . of course, this being toward the end of the Oscars, just as they were getting to the bigger awards, the ratings were probably down. “Hey, we put the story out there as best we could . . . it’s too bad that folks were more interested in red carpets, red dresses, and cleavage instead.”
I just attended something at the Bass Performance Hall last week. It seems there is no end to the number of sinister Texas billionaires behind far right wing crap. At least a few, Richard Mellon Scaife and the Coors people, who come from somewhere else.
“Everywhere except the northern third of Alabama, where the Bass family apparently owns the airwaves and refused to show the report”
This 1 sentence describes why all Americans should be against media consolidation. When ASSholes like Rupert, Sinclair Broadcasting, and the Bass family control multiple outlets of print and audio/video(radio, television) news, it puts the transmission of news in too few hands, and all Americans suffer from the lack of news that these few owners censor for their own benefit.
Part of a “free press” is that multiple opinions and news can be transmitted to the public. With consolidation, dissemination is now in the hands of very few, who control most of today’s media.
Think McCain, his current BFF Isenman, and Pittsburgh to understand what I mean.
Something to remember
While the Estate Tax is not the most pressing thing on our minds, there are a handfull of very wealthy folks who will spend considerable effort and money on that single issue.
B- bu- but … that will embolden the terrorists …
I would have been nice had 60 Minutes brought out these facts. It kind of clinches the whole thing.
I’m glad the inaccuracy of a blackout in the Mobile area has been corrected. Unless I was the only one seeing it, it did air down here and for that I’m grateful.
If John Tyson had become Alabama AG, some heads would be rolling.
for more on that handful of very wealthy folks
way more at the Christian Science Monitor
I think it depended on what area of town you were in and which cable provider you have. WHNT had issues — but reaired the show later in the evening. The Comcast provider apparently didn’t have the same problem. So YMMV if you live in that top third of AL, depending on where you get your teevee…
The BUSH Clan editoralizes every word of any news about them or the Republicans with the help of the Gestapo Feds standing close by to zap any uncooperating individual in the news room or to plull the plug to the entire broadcast. Their license are at stake as well as their jobs and their lives. The rule is if you do not say what we tell you, YOU WILL NOT say anything at all. So much for FREE SPEECH!
Christy, this might be the strongest case for tossing Rove in jail and I hope the blogosphere can lead this issue because the MSM surely will not …
Yet another story of R corruption kept alive only because of lefty blogs.
There is a good way to deal with these kinds of problems. COMPLAIN! Let your voice be heard. Many of the reporters at that station have blogs. Of course, first you want to contact the FCC, but let the news director and other reporters at that station know that they are being scrutinized by those of us in the left wing press.
Here’s a link to a list of all the reporters blogs:
http://www.whnt.com/Global/cat…..u108_6_5_1
You could also go to there site and post a “what’s driving me crazy” post. Apparently a lot of people are driven crazy that watch that station, so they have a special page to post about this problem.
http://www.whnt.com/Global/cat…..enu108_3_5
Have fun and most importantly, let you views on this subject be known. The airwaves belong to the public.
I was so happy to hear Grant Woods, our former AZ AG, say on national TV that it is the crimes that must be investigated, that once you start investigating the people, it tends to upset the whole rule of law. When I think of all the people who dutifully went to the hill and testified during the Nixon administration, even though it ultimately meant their own downfall, you know that it is not because of executive privilege or any legitimate reason at all. I believe that this investigate the people, not the crime, started with Bill Clinton and was meant to soften folks up. When the President was allowed to become a target of a smear campaign and a lot of smut, it so turned off the population that now the Congress is afraid to go against the WH with actual crime investigations for fear that the Republicans will say it’s payback for Bill’s treatment. The Rethugs will spout “Witchhunt!” and because of this, there will be no justice and the rule of law will be subjugated to the tyranny of those in power. Appalling!
GOPCSI [GOP Crime Syndicate Incorporated]
…so, tell me again why Nancy took impeachment off the table. I want to understand. Really, I do.
You got that wrong muckraker. We still have “free speech”, but now you have to BUY a media outlet to have the right to free speech It’s like: If you have money, you can still buy free speech, it just ain’t free no more. Capitalism at its finest!
mebbe he’ll get to wear the same shackles Siegelman had to wear.
The Republican Party is nothing more than a criminal conspiracy from top to bottom. Use the RICO statute to put these people where they belong, federal prison. Until they are removed from the body politic the nation is in peril.
From your lips …
I dunno. If we were to lock up all the people who’d lobbied a prosecutor to get him/her to investigate something, we’d need lots more jails.
In this case, it’s the prosecutor who has to worry. He’s the one who went to bat with bad evidence and violated discovery. It’s his head on the block. And even if he turns on Rove, unless he can say “Karl ordered me to proceed or else” Rove is clean. And even if he can say that, it’s still tough to convict given that Karl had no actual authority over the prosecutor.
Boxturtle (Karl is smooth, got to give him that)
Didn’t Woods run against Janet for Governor?
from the WHNT front page, just a little technical difficulty
Well, Duh….
When has Little Georgie ever followed the rule of law?
The news director’s blog hasn’t been updated since Feb 4. The anchors haven’t done much better, and one hasn’t been updated since Dec 31. The “inside WHNT” blog by the producer of the 10PM news hasn’t been updated since Valentine’s Day.
This is not a good sign.
It might be more helpful to contact WHNT’s competitors, asking them to check out their competition.
It might be interesting if McCain, Clinton, and Obama were asked if they were familiar with the case and if they would advocate a thorough and transparent review by the DOJ.
Evil Bastards.
Need to be in a cage.
Mr. Nader, you say that there’s no difference between Democrats and Republicans. Which former Democratic Administration is the same as this Bush Administration?
11 more months of Clusterfuck rule in the US of A. There are some unappetising leftovers on his table- this is one. Does he pardon now and put an end to this- or wait until the end? If it rolls over to a dem presidency- Turdblossom could be doin hard time- with plenty of company.
The airwaves belong to the POWERS THAT BE! Every blog that is written here or anyplace else is being recorded and posted by the GESTAPO BUSH govt. Use your cell phone and say any coded word such as Bush, Cheney, Rove, Terrorist, etc. and you are automatically being recorded by the NSA.
The national news is scrutinized by them before any broadcast. Yes, they all will deny it as they do everything.
So, please think twice before you think anything belongs to the people in this country.
Christy,
A most excellent post.
Gentle readers, from reading your comments over the years, I know you too believe in taking responsibility.
We can expect modern Republican to be fascists (and I use that word unabashedly and with aforethought).
This incident, more than others, drives me batshit crazy as to why Pelosi took impeachment off the table.
There is a sickness in our Democratic Party, and even if we sweep this fall’s election, there is much work left to do (replacing Wynn with Edwards is a lovely example).
More Democrats, to be sure. Useless unless they are better Democrats.
Clusterfuck may be faced with the greatest number of self serving pardons in american history- his last day in office should be quite a storm. Wouldn’t be surprised if he leaves a week early so that Cheney can pardon HIM.
He’ll wait until the end. There’s no pressure on him from the Democrats. His hand may cramp up in December from all this pardon signing, but being Preznit is hard work.
No I don’t have to give him that! He may be too cute by half, but everybody this corrupt leaves a loose end behind sometime. I think Russ Feingold would be just the guy to pull it in a Democratic Administration wherein he is the AG. It would be too late for GWB to save him through a pardon, and I would personally love to see many of those who have been ignoring the law prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law after they leave office. We may be stymied for now, but it ain’t over till the fat lady sings, as they say.
BradBlog has some good links and background: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5738
somehow i get the picture of karl in drag singing about all the administrations’ misdeeds.
OT I saw this at TPM just now.
Boxer’s involvement in this brings a whole new meaning to being liberal.
Isn’t there anything that can be done about that (outside of impeachment, which thanks to a couple of Democratic jellyfish, is off the table)?
I know people who would cheerfully pay a strong seven figure price for that loose end. No takers, yet.
Don’t underestimate the enemy. It’ll be easier to get Bush than Karl.
Boxturtle (Perhaps Bush would roll over on Karl)
Don’t think so. Impeachment wouldn’t help either. The pardon power of the presidency is a major constitutional loophole and Clusterfuck’s just the guy to drive a train through it.
Impeachment wouldn’t help because:
1) It’s a wet dream fantasy to imagine that he would ever be removed from office.
2) Even if there were a miracle and the senate was preparing to remove him- there would be plenty of time to do the pardon jig.
Oh mercy! where does Suzanne put the brain bleach?
He ran in the primary but did not make it to the general (from memory and can’t find anything online) but this 2002 article is interesting..
Woods may switch from GOP to Dems
but what if articles of impeachment were filed before he gets out his pardon pen?
even if there were no trial?
The Clusterfuck team knew that they were breaking many laws in the course of their regime- and were undoubtedly prepared for the worst from the beginning. The worst was mass pardons and miles of spin. The Bush/Cheney mutual pardon gambit has undoubtedly been well rehearsed as well. You’ve got to be prepared. They only need a couple of days leadtime to pull the thing off.
Good Morning Christy.
What an incredible, powerful piece of writing!
Between 60 Min., whistle-blower Simpson, some fine brave reporting, and brilliant folks like you pulling all the details together, I’d like to hope some big fat geese are to be sizzling shortly.
It’s never too late for impeachment, is it?!
Haven’t read all comments, so apologize if this is repetitious.
Contact info for the two human beings on the FCC:
Commissioner Michael J. Copps: Michael.Copps at fcc.gov
Commissioner Jonathan S. Adelstein: Jonathan.Adelstein at fcc.gov
Articles of Impeachment come MONTHS before any removal from office- and he retains pardon power until the day he is removed or resigns. No way to keep it from happening- and actual removal from office would require all the dems and twenty or so goopers to vote to remove in the senate. It’s fuckin IMPOSSIBLE- not really worth considering.
There should be a way to declare his entire presidency invalid. Appointments, signing statements, pardons, everything. Just purge anything he had anything to do with from the government, and write a constitutional amendment to explain why.
Nice thought. Ain’t gonna happen.
Indeed. After all, how long has it been that this story was first reported and discussed on the net? And, even now when it is reported it’s only the sketchy outline and not all the gory details.
At least the persistence of bloggers is having a positive effect — though delayed. Let’s stay after them for other criminal behavior too! I’d love to see some Bushies go to jail for a long time over the Plame Affair.
I can’t get my head around “not really worth considering.” It’s like a pre-emptive get-out-of-jail-free pass. Mega-dangerous precedent, or so it seems to me. We don’t go after Constitution-abusers and lawbreakers because it’s logistically complicated? Because we’re beaten before we start? Help, me, Rhonda!!
Well the next prez can remove all the executive orders. The signing statements are of no particular use unless there’s a person in the White House who wants to take advantage of them.
When all’s said and done, a new prez can wipe out most of what he’s done–except for the judges, the war, and fiscal mess. Those will be with us for a long time I’m afraind.
Much better to just give up on our democracy and hope that the Dems are willing to freely give up their super powers Bush grabbed for them.
Good idea.
Ultimately, it is because they don’t have the votes, and now, they don’t have the time either. They can’t even prevent warrantless wiretapping because they don’t have the votes. There are a whole lot of things true Dems would like to do, but can’t because they don’t have the votes. How can they be expected to actually impeach the President when nearly half of the Congress is walking in lockstep with GWB and his foul administration? I realize that we would like to think if there were adequate investigations, it would magically follow that the majority would recognize the guilt of the administration and conviction would follow, but unfortunately, even I don’t believe that anymore. All we can do now is elect someone who will try in the next administration to restore the rule of law, the parts of the Constitution that have been destroyed, and the balance of power. Hopefully, this would include justice for those who preceded them.
It’s not that it’s logistically complicated- it’s that it’s IMPOSSIBLE to get the votes to remove him- not difficult- IMPOSSIBLE- unless someone catches him in bed with a goat.
Shorter Ann – The investigation may not lead to the votes to impeach. So don’t bother investigating?
Oh jesus h. christ. That’s not what she said. Can we discuss the issue without making it personal at each other…
I would make that a thorough and transparent review of the DOJ!
* grabs keyboard and mouse waiting for blog to be pulled over *
So, tell me. Is this a governement of the people, by the people, and for the people..etc. Fact, the people have no control over removing any corrupt scumbucket such as BUSH once they are in office. The only one was Nixon and he just threw in the towel.
That’s a mighty big “except for . . .” you’ve got there.
In my state the Bar Association would be all over this. Does Alabama have an active Bar Association and is it involved?
Honestly, we have enough shit to wade through without a factual disagreement turning into a bad faith fingerpointing extravaganza. I’ll put up with a lot, but not that sort of mischaracterization.
The people, of course, have no direct control- but if the sentiment were that 75% or more of the people in 75% of the states were cryin for impeachment- it would make a difference- but they aren’t.
The biggest weapon we had was the *threat* of impeachment investigations. It’s called negotiating from strength. Pelosi put an end to that threat.
Point taken.
I just like the image of you pulling the blog over. Cracks me up. My Mom used to do that. *g
Yep- Unfortunately- but I believe it’s the truth.
Been scrambling on errands, so I’ve missed the conversation and the MSM coverage. Anything?
We must persevere to right W’s wrongs–this is his watch, his command. We owe it to our children and grandchildren. Or they will too soon be reading some latter day Brokaw’s book, The Worst Generation.
michael mukasey will fix it. he is an honorable man.
I am holding my breath.
Investigations of the Bush Administration will simply have to wait until Congress finishes the critical investigations of the New England Patriots. Specter’s being stonewalled so it may take longer than planned. However, we can count on Arlen to doggedly persue this to the end. If there’s still time, then maybe some of the Bush stuff can be looked into. Remember, we’ve got to keep priorities straight.
And CBS was trying to can the segment I read. Pressure from?
The unethical dealings of corps and the wealthy to manipulate the playing field is astounding.
Haven’t we learned anything from the age of the robber barrons? I guess not, they are still around… MORGAN stanley, ROCKERFELLER, VANDERBILT, ROTHCHILDS… list goes on. They are back there pulling the strings.
Sorry Ann,
It’s a sore spot.
((( Christy )))
Unfortunately, this will get worse until Jan ‘09 … please take some time for meditation and R&R … we need you to be fresh and energized to help steer us to action …
Are we all dead yet?
Just checking.
Not accepting all of your logic about too few votes as the reason not to dxo this–but I would like the Dem who wins to guarantee us investigations and prosecutions of what Bush did. I want no amnesty, no immunity and no amnesia.
of course, Bush family values will have chimp pardoning anything that moves, but he cant pardon himself.
How could we keep Addington and Fielding etal, so overwhelmed and busy that they couldn’t have time to come up with more fuckery before Bushco, hopefully, leaves??? /s
Based on both Watergate and Whitewater, it would seem hard to hold the hearings/investigations necessary to adopting articles of impeachement if the legislative branch can’t even mandate testimony and evidence from the executive branch. Right now, the executive branch thumbs it’s nose and, even with time, it appears questionable that such issues pushed to the Supreme Court would end favorably for legislative branch authority. To have the Supreme Court actually rule in favor of the executive branch over such fundamental constitutional issues, would be disasterous.
They’ve had hearing, after hearing, after hearing. To my way of thinking, they’ve already not just uncovered crimes with their hearings, they’ve proved the crimes (to my satisfaction, at least)! Yet they can’t even get their own subpoenas enforced, and I have no idea why they can’t use inherent contempt! Lurita Doan allowed her department to become an instrument of government in an unlawfully partisan effort to help the GOP, yet they haven’t required her resignation or tried to even impeach her. What do you think pursuing further investigations this close to an election will accomplish? I’m sure there will be more, but where will it get us that we weren’t going anyway?
Pretty heated down-thread, so decided to come back up. Romney might re-enter race? Sacred feces!!
330 days until new president day–
Here’s an historic quote from the existing prez to make yer day:
“For a century and a half now, American and Japan have formed one of the great and enduring alliances of modern times.”
GW Clusterfuck- Tokyo Feb. 18, 2002
My sense is that the only hope of accountability will come from the next administration IF AND ONLY if they don’t pull the “we need to move on” crap.
I would hope that the next administration and congress will empower all the investigations which pull in the present crop of thieves and bring them ALL to the bar of justice.
AND then I hope they revise all the laws which allow this sort of behavior… lawfully but corrupt business practices. This must end.
We need to break up the MSM.
We need to break up the monopolies.
We need to get money out of politics. Public financing, and no lobbying by for profit corporations.
We need the congress and the next admin to get all this crap out of our government.
“But even if we accept that it’s possible for the Bush Department to create a new category of “Democrats Only” Crimes, we still have the basic fact that the evidence on which the Siegelman conviction was secured was false, and was known by the prosecutors to be false from the beginning….”
That why the issue of FISA reform needs to returned back to the rule of law and the constitution. The range of possibilities that could be utilized in regarding warrantless wiretapping in focusing on one’s perceived enemies could be rather useful.
And terrifying…
Let me try this in a civilized manner…
I really think an investigation would bring the crimes to light. This would change public opinion and the political climate even more favorably towards removal. This would increase the votes.
Your premise is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Scumbucket Bush has a plan for everything and being engineered by Bush’s brain Karl Rove. Getting Bush on impeachement charges, and his clan, on any other crimes is imnmaterial at this point. What we should be worried about is WHEN he is going to drop the BOMB on Iran before he leaves. He knows that McCain will follow him because this CRAZY NUTCASE will bomb his own mother’s house if he gets pissed off enough.
They will go to any means to redirect any type of public outrage and WAR is the greatest distortion. Wait for the killing in Iraq to begin full force again.
I know that you and others believe that the investigation would turn the tide and that america would rise up and demand impeachment and removal. I don’t believe this for a minute. I believe that impeachment hearings would move goopers and indies to move toward defense of Clusterfuck- as dems and indies did with Clinton. Guess we’ll just have to disagree about this one.
19% approval rating.
Which goopers are you expecting to “move”?
I think he means a lot of the ones no longer in the 19%. The ones that used to make up the 28% for starters…
So do I! I see that as our only remaining chance at any type of justice, not to mention to save the type of government that we have “for ourselves and our posterity.” That is, as opposed to a dictatorship.
First of all- the 19% rating was fun- but it was inaccurate. Actual average Job Approval rating is about 31%.
Secondly– About 65% of goopers still approve- which is why McBush has had to treat the issue so delicately. If the public senses that McBush is being attacked by the opposition party for partisan political reasons- the backlash would be immediate and severe- this close to an election, it would be suicide–in my opinion. It’s about the ONLY thing the dems could do to give control of congress and the white house back to the goops.
Well, that one was good for a huge laugh. I wonder if the words WWII or Pearl Harbor or Hiroshima or Nagasaki mean anything to this Prez!
The Dems have a lot of house cleaning to attend to when we win the white house….
Can’t hardly wait for the fireworks….
PS: has that been proven? I thought John Dean said there is a chance that he can pardon himself?
What’s the destruction of a navy or a couple of nuclear bombs dropped between good friends?
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And where is DOJ right now in this situation and others like it–what are they doing to shed light on it? Nothing. Where is Mukasey as to the contempt citation for Karl Rove and Josh Bolton? No where.
DOJ has released their standard bullshit that there was nothing wrong. Mukasey bullshitted Shumer who was hungry for the bullshit at SJC hearings that he’d look into Siegleman’s prosecution, and that was a lie. Mukasey has pointedly obstructed the enforcement of a contempt citation for Rove. SJC voted 12-7 to hold Rove in contempt in December and Mukasey has refused to lift a finger to enforce the contempt citation, and says he won’t. The Senate is going to have to prosecute Rove on their own and they have that constitutional authority. Who would normally handle the contempt citation? That would be Jeffery Taylor, the US Attorney in D.C. who was a former Senior Advisor to Fredo Gonzales, and is being backed in his obstruction by Mukasey.
There is a a study on the rate of prosecutions by political party that has long been circulating in the journals that shows prosecutions of democrats by this DOJ exceed those of republicans by a ratio of 4:1. The study is not without critics, who say it isn’t statistically sound.
The “tradition” of not prosecuting to impact the outcome of an election has been thrown by the wayside. There is a parallel situation to the Siegelman witchunt that involves another corrupt US Attorney, Christopher J. Christie of New Jersey.
Christie has been notorious for partisan Republican investigations, investigating Bob Menedez with timing trying to influence the outcome of the U.S. Senate election in New Jersey, and failing.
If that’s true, has Bush been formally charged with any crimes at this point?
So how can he pardon himself?
Let’s wait until he is out of office and then let the games begin…
Does it matter?
What keeps Bush from resigning on Jan 18th 2009 and being pardoned by a previously pardoned President Cheney on the 19th?
As I said, that quote totally cracked me up!
Again, Bush has not been charged with any crimes at this point,
Even if he steps down on Jan 18th 2009 and let’s Cheney have a day being the head chimp how can Bush be pardoned for future allegations after Jan 19th 2009?…
There are few limits on the pardon power of a prez. He can CERTAINLY be pardoned for crimes for which he has not been charged.
ticktock..Bush already has unlimited power to do ANYTHING, and change anything, thanks to our elected bozos in Congress.
Constitution, rule of law…
they should take those ideas, those words right out of the dictionary because it is just an illusion of ideas…
If this sad story ever sees the light of day with a national spotlight, those in Alabama that can tear themselves away from 2 guys fishing on TV will know about it. And those who are concerned will heap the scorn on the Bass family they deserve. They are as culpable as the prosecutors, Judge, Rove and the Rileys.
A similar case to this occured in Delaware when Sherry Freebery, a former New Castle County police chief and county chief administrative officer, and her boss Tom Gordon were persecuted by Bush appointee US Atty. Colm Connolly. He built up a case with scores of charges on the indictments and spent 5 years investigating and ruunning this through the courts. End result…the Federal judge threw out all the charges but one and blasted the Prosecutors. Freebery pled nolo to one charge of receiving an unreported loan to a friend not listed on her filed financial records. The lender had no business in front of Freebery at all. No bribe, nada. Freebery paid a small fine and spent no time in jail.
But Freebery said that the trials had bankrupted her and ruined her career and that of others…which may have been just what Connolly wanted after all.
The regulatory function of the FCC has been a joke ever since the first Reagan administration. Fixing the problem you cite would involve a major overhaul.
Nope. The problem was at the CBS satellite downlink. Nobody in the Huntsville market saw the segment when it first aired.
Some folks saw it on a different channel satellite TV, probably from the Birmingham CBS affiliate.
The folks in Alabama who are paying attention already do know about it. The whistleblower’s motives are being seriously questioned on the Right.
It’s not helping that the Democratic Party ran such a lousy candidate for governor last time around that even I voted for Riley. He’s really not doing all that bad a job, at least above the table.