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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Lord of the Flies&#8221; in Afghanistan</title>
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		<title>By: Siun</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/24/lord-of-the-flies-in-afghanistan/#comment-1296773</link>
		<dc:creator>Siun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;annamissed - very important point! I was startled by the open admission that so many of the troops in the article were “medicated.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There were reports about 4 years ago about the drugging of fighter pilots in Iraq (by NPR iirc) and the problems that led to (several friendly fire episodes were blamed on the meds which were not for PTSD but to keep the pilots “alert” but which seemed to make them more aggressive)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The environment Rubin describes - and for which the soldiers use of “Lord of the Flies” seems very apt - combined with meds is guaranteed disaster for the soldiers but even more for the Afghans who are “secured” by them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>annamissed &#8211; very important point! I was startled by the open admission that so many of the troops in the article were “medicated.” </p>
<p>There were reports about 4 years ago about the drugging of fighter pilots in Iraq (by NPR iirc) and the problems that led to (several friendly fire episodes were blamed on the meds which were not for PTSD but to keep the pilots “alert” but which seemed to make them more aggressive)</p>
<p>The environment Rubin describes &#8211; and for which the soldiers use of “Lord of the Flies” seems very apt &#8211; combined with meds is guaranteed disaster for the soldiers but even more for the Afghans who are “secured” by them.</p>
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		<title>By: annamissed</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/24/lord-of-the-flies-in-afghanistan/#comment-1296353</link>
		<dc:creator>annamissed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One very interesting thing about the Rubin article is the apparently common use of psychological drugs by the troops in theater. Troops with significant PTSD to require prescription drugs, should not be in the field at all, and should be sent stateside for treatment immediately. Treating PTSD with psycho-active drugs is not like  taking an aspirin for a temporary ailment - so you can still go to work. Especially since once inflicted, PTSD is often chronic and likely to plague its victims for the rest of their adult lives.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unless of course, the U.S. military is in reality operating on a bonifide actual catch-22 policy - and acting as a drug pusher as well. And keeping the Vietnam era pot smoking junk shooters out of business.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One very interesting thing about the Rubin article is the apparently common use of psychological drugs by the troops in theater. Troops with significant PTSD to require prescription drugs, should not be in the field at all, and should be sent stateside for treatment immediately. Treating PTSD with psycho-active drugs is not like  taking an aspirin for a temporary ailment &#8211; so you can still go to work. Especially since once inflicted, PTSD is often chronic and likely to plague its victims for the rest of their adult lives.</p>
<p>Unless of course, the U.S. military is in reality operating on a bonifide actual catch-22 policy &#8211; and acting as a drug pusher as well. And keeping the Vietnam era pot smoking junk shooters out of business.</p>
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		<title>By: angie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/24/lord-of-the-flies-in-afghanistan/#comment-1296343</link>
		<dc:creator>angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you Siun for the post…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What profound disgrace we bear.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Siun for the post…</p>
<p>What profound disgrace we bear.</p>
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		<title>By: MadDog</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/24/lord-of-the-flies-in-afghanistan/#comment-1296075</link>
		<dc:creator>MadDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Siun,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m late to your post, but I want to thank you for linking to that NYT Afghanistan story. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I read it last night and you wouldn’t believe how angry it made me (perhaps you would *g*).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Angry at the death and destruction, pain and suffering that seems to be the lot of the Afghans (just finished reading Steve Coll’s Ghost Wars, so I know how many casualties they’ve suffered this past 30 years).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Angry at the death and destruction, pain and suffering that seems to be the lot of the American troops who have been basically abandoned by their own country, and certainly by the country’s leadership (both civilian and military).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m also a wee bit angry at the lack of comments in your fine post on this topic, but I’ll bite my tongue on that. After all, the Oscars are on. /sad snark!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hope you’ll re-post this tomorrow when the dust has settled in Hollywood and folks can take the time to read that heart-wrending NYT article.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siun,</p>
<p>I’m late to your post, but I want to thank you for linking to that NYT Afghanistan story. </p>
<p>I read it last night and you wouldn’t believe how angry it made me (perhaps you would *g*).</p>
<p>Angry at the death and destruction, pain and suffering that seems to be the lot of the Afghans (just finished reading Steve Coll’s Ghost Wars, so I know how many casualties they’ve suffered this past 30 years).</p>
<p>Angry at the death and destruction, pain and suffering that seems to be the lot of the American troops who have been basically abandoned by their own country, and certainly by the country’s leadership (both civilian and military).</p>
<p>I’m also a wee bit angry at the lack of comments in your fine post on this topic, but I’ll bite my tongue on that. After all, the Oscars are on. /sad snark!</p>
<p>I hope you’ll re-post this tomorrow when the dust has settled in Hollywood and folks can take the time to read that heart-wrending NYT article.</p>
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		<title>By: Xcroc</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/24/lord-of-the-flies-in-afghanistan/#comment-1295781</link>
		<dc:creator>Xcroc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You are exactly correct.  The fact that AFRICOM is imperial colonialism is something they can’t really say.  So they keep saying what AFRICOM is not, and never what it is, except “partnerships”.  And of course “stability operations” and “nation building” mean making place stable or propping or supporting governments who will be doormats for US corporations, particularly oil corporations.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They call it offering 3 Ds, defense, diplomacy, and development.  That sounds a lot like the 19th century 3 Cs, chrisitanity, civilization, and commerce.  You might almost think it is intentionally satirical.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are exactly correct.  The fact that AFRICOM is imperial colonialism is something they can’t really say.  So they keep saying what AFRICOM is not, and never what it is, except “partnerships”.  And of course “stability operations” and “nation building” mean making place stable or propping or supporting governments who will be doormats for US corporations, particularly oil corporations.</p>
<p>They call it offering 3 Ds, defense, diplomacy, and development.  That sounds a lot like the 19th century 3 Cs, chrisitanity, civilization, and commerce.  You might almost think it is intentionally satirical.</p>
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		<title>By: Loo Hoo.</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/24/lord-of-the-flies-in-afghanistan/#comment-1295732</link>
		<dc:creator>Loo Hoo.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How can we ever make it up to the Iraqis?  I don’t think we can.  We have lost the respect of an entire region of the world.  And yet…impeachment is off the table.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can we ever make it up to the Iraqis?  I don’t think we can.  We have lost the respect of an entire region of the world.  And yet…impeachment is off the table.</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/24/lord-of-the-flies-in-afghanistan/#comment-1295731</link>
		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I thought history was the one subject Bush was good at?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought history was the one subject Bush was good at?</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/24/lord-of-the-flies-in-afghanistan/#comment-1295729</link>
		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great Bush wants America to have colonies, colonialism isn’t over.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Bush wants America to have colonies, colonialism isn’t over.</p>
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		<title>By: Loo Hoo.</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/24/lord-of-the-flies-in-afghanistan/#comment-1295728</link>
		<dc:creator>Loo Hoo.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OMG.  That is so powerful.  Hats off to the soldiers telling their stories.  Sad.  True.  OMG.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG.  That is so powerful.  Hats off to the soldiers telling their stories.  Sad.  True.  OMG.</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/24/lord-of-the-flies-in-afghanistan/#comment-1295722</link>
		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you keep forcing people to do a job they know they can do but don’t give them the men or equipment to do it I think you will drive them insane.  I blame their bosses in the pentagon and the White House the leaders should be held responsible first for the actions of the troops.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you keep forcing people to do a job they know they can do but don’t give them the men or equipment to do it I think you will drive them insane.  I blame their bosses in the pentagon and the White House the leaders should be held responsible first for the actions of the troops.</p>
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