Are the rich just like us? In one sense they are – they eat, sleep and defecate just like everyone else. They love, cry and die – just like everyone else. But when you’re dealing with policy – no, they aren’t just like everyone else. It’s fashionable (one of those evergreen fashions) to argue that the policies that benefit the rich, benefit everyone. There are certainly policies that benefit everyone, but there are few policies which primarily benefit the rich which are to everyone’s interest. Let’s run through this in a bit more detail.
Rich
Most rich people get most of their money from investments – also known as unearned income. So when investment income is taxed at a lower rate than earned income (what you get on your paycheck), which it is – then those who rely primarily on earned income are being taxed at a higher effective rate. This is a deliberate policy choice.
When jobs are outsourced, the profits still flow back into the hands of US investors. While many people own stock and bonds (especially through pension funds) this disproportionately benefits the rich because the rich (as noted above) disproportionately receive their money from unearned income.
When the domestic economy does badly, but corporate and general investment profits are up – the rich do fine because the cost of things they want (like servants) goes down as supply goes up. Those few people they do deign to employ cost less.
When tax changes are made that are less progressive (moving to fees or flat taxes, for example, and away from income tax) it benefits the rich – because they earn more money and regressive taxes benefit those with more.
When asset appreciation is only taxed at death it benefits the rich, because much of their net wealth is only taxed when they die.
When estate taxes are gotten rid of – it benefits the rich (or rather their children).
When public schools are defunded it benefits the rich. Their kids aren’t going to them anyway, and now they don’t have to pay for your kids to go there.
When capital flow laws are relaxed it benefits the rich. Do you need to move a million dollars out of China in a few minutes to get an extra .1% overnight return? No?
When the spread between inflation rates and the interest rate is high it benefits the rich, because most of them are creditors. It hurts the middle class and the poor – because they are debtors.
When bankruptcy laws are tightened it hurts the poor and the middle class and helps the rich.
The Middle Class
When jobs are plentiful, it benefits the middle class. But if you’re already middle class and you keep your job, but others are losing theirs, you can win relatively – especially if prices are dropping relative to your salary.
When jobs pay well and are keeping up with inflation, it benefits the middle class.
When house prices go up it benefits the middle class – because they have the majority of their money in their houses – that’s their savings account. It hurts the poor, because they can’t get housing and it hurts the subset of the middle class that doesn’t yet have a house, because they can’t get one.
When medical care prices increase it hurts the middle class because their employers stop paying for it, pay for less or leave the country to a domicile where either the government provides it (Canada) or they don’t have to provide it.
The Poor
When rent, food or fuel costs go up it hurts the poor because they spend most of their income on those three things. It hurts them disproportionately compared to the pain to the rich.
When the economy doesn’t produce new jobs it hurts the poor because they then can’t get jobs, especially the long term poor who are only hired when those with more recent experience are used up.
When medical care becomes more expensive it hurts the poor, because they can’t afford it. So they live in pain, or with chronic diseases, and get treated only when it’s close to mortal and they can’t be turned away.
When mandatory sentencing for blue collar crime goes in, it hurts the poor because more of them commit crime and it takes away their husbands and their sons.
When some drugs are made illegal while others with psychoactive effects are legal but prescribed only to those who can afford both price controlled drugs and doctors prescriptions it hurts the poor.
Yes Virginia, the rich are different…
…not because they are better or worse than us, not because they are bad people, but because they have different interests and different incentives and they live in a world that is different from the one the middle class or the poor live in. Policies that enrich them could enrich everyone. There are policies and economies that help everyone. From 1945 to around 1970 the rising economy made everyone better off equally – the rich, the middle class, the poor. Everyone prospered together.
It can be that way, but it doesn’t have to be. You can make the pie bigger – or you can make your slice larger. Over the last thirty years Americans have fought over the pie. Warren Buffett once noted that if there was a class war then his class was winning. There is a class war and the rich are indeed winning - and it is one of the things that is slowly destroying the United States.
Everyone can be prosperous. But everyone can’t be rich. Choose what sort of society you want – or have others choose for you.
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Hey Ian….
Aloha, Ian!
How come almost everyone that wins a big lottery prize has a sucky life after?
Hi Ian,
What will it take for us to regain interest in growing the pie for everyone? Besides a Democratic electoral landslide, I mean.
haven’t finnished, came down to ask for typo fix;
missed the n behind “known
I will read this after I say HAPPY BIRTHDAY IAN!
(and to your birthday twin Mutant Poodle wherever he may be at the moment)
And one thing the rich don’t understand is that their actions can destabilize our society to the point that it will collapse.
My post:
‘Theory of Pie’.
Explains a little about how that can happen.
The rich of France circa 1790’s lost their heads for keeping them buried in the sand. It was their choice and they didn’t choose wisely.
Birthday? Ian has a Birthday? No wonder he seems so much wiser today.
it’s a great piece Ian, great, I can save this page and reference it but I disagree with one sentence;
this isn’t true
when home prices go up it doesn’t benefit the middle class till they retire and sell the house, IF they can afford to live somewhere else once they sell the house
selling the house before they retire gives them nothing because they still have to live somewhere, they will pay higher rent due to higher housing costs
the only time home value improvement benefits the homeowner is if their market appreciated at a greater rate then the general population
otherwise the gains are linear
oh, didn’t know it was Ian’s b-day, is there a party?
I will bring teh keg
I view most of the Republican rich as greedy. And some of the Democratic rich as greedy too. The operative words here are “most” and “some”.
prosperously wise
When you’ve never had to work for a living, it can make a difference in your outlook on things.
jared diamond should be mandatory reading.
p.s. love your theory of pie. i’m gonna use that one.
And we have more and more poor, in this country.
I was at the supermarket yesterday, buying groceries on plastic, because I’m out of money until my next paycheck. I saw an elderly couple, in their late 70’s at least, dressed neatly and carefully, all buttoned up with hats and coats - cold here. They were shopping - carefully - looking closely at prices at the meat counter. In their shopping cart there was a small bunch of bananas, a medium can of tomato sauce, and a can of spam. They spent a few minutes looking at chicken, and then went regretfully on.
I don’t mind that they have different interests and different goals. I mind that they keep winning in America and the rest of us keep falling farther behind.
I would rather bake a bigger pie myself, than hoard it all…!
I’m reading him now. “Guns Germs and Steel”.
the “rich” want to know why they didn’t invest better for their retirement.
The middle class might be coincident with the idea of some sort of re-distribution of wealth. The poor certainly would. The wealthy would not.
cause they don’t have any idea how to use all that money wisely.
I’ll go with that. ;0)
that’s a nice theory citizen, however you have a typo, please to fix so I can link;
form > from
thanx in advance
True. They dont’ understand people who live simply. Who pay their bills, pay off their homes, perhaps put their kids through school and feel that they have done well. And now, who cannot afford to heat their homes or have food in the house.
The Bush and Cheney families are not like most Americans.
I would add teh wipped cream, teh ice cream, teh boston cream
then I would sell at big profit and buy more pie
try collapse if you liked that one.
nor are the families of most of our DC elected officials
Can anyone show me that the gulf between the haves and have nots is not growing?
Diamond’s “Collapse” is also on the required reading list
Nah. They’re crooks.
Well ok den.
imo, really shows what happens when the elites are not affected by their decisions but the rest of society is.
but i would be great at using that money!
raven, log into aim please. want to show you something.
hey citizen, I LOVE this sentence and will use often, within the bracket is mine as inferred by the rest of the piece;
Ian,
You posts are uniformly great and I enjoy them quite a bit. This is the first quibble I’ve had:
“not because they are better or worse than us, not because they are bad people, but because they have different interests and different incentives and they live in a world that is different from the one the middle class or the poor live in.”
I disagree. These folks are highly educated, and have access to realms of reports and data. They know exactly what they are doing.
They try to bullshit us, and themselves, with their free market religion, and the mantra that only the lazy or the stupid are poor.
They must marginalize the “other” (like we did gooks in Vietnam,ragheads in Iraq and liberals in the media) to justify their wrong-doing.
I’ve dealt with too many of the greedy bastards to cut them any slack. There are occasional exceptions, but IMV, not statistically significant.
Compare working families income increases, savings, investments and buying power over the last almost eight years, with that of the wealthy. What do you see?
Agreed.
Some people are smart. They inherit money and connections (Bush etc.). Some are not. And these folks obviously deserve to struggle month to month just to make ends meet.
I’m off to the County delegate meeting. gottta go. and Ian is one of my favs here at the Lake. so sorry.
nite, all!
Re house price gains benefitting middle class.
Often it hurts the middle class. As housing prices rise, real estate taxes increase. If your house rises faster than your wages, you are taxed out.
This is a classic slow motion gentrification of inner city strategy. It’s at work here in Houston as the poor in the wards near downtown are forced out by tax foreclosure sales.
The rich don’t really seem to gain by impoverishing the populace either. They have to wall themselves off in gated communities, pay more for security, and live in increased risk of crime when they venture out. They complain bitterly about the guy’s accent in the c-store or about the fact that the lowest bidders on their remodel can’t speak english. Their happiness is not increased nor their worry lessened.
$15,000,000,000 per month for unwinnable wars. Do you honestly think the wealthy are picking up this tab?
Our income is what it is because of the society that supports us. If you take a doctor or lawyer and stick them in a poor third world country, suddenly they aren’t making as much money, if any.
Because the society supports our salaries, all of us need to give back to it in the form of taxes, with the wealthier giving a higher percentage. Republicans and conservatives have been taught not to believe in this social responsibility.
Wait ’til the recession hits. That should be fun.
I think that our grandchildren will.
And pretty soon gasoline prices are set to spike.
I think our children are catching on. Hence the youth turnout for Obama
I think I am younger than you are. That’s my KIDS turning out, but not old enough to vote yet. My grandkids will pay 30+ yrs down the road.
The media’s role is to assure us everything is fine. They happily report the stock market is going up (without explaining the ‘Bill Gates and 9 unemployed guys in a bar’ phenomenon), the surge is working (for Halliburton and the Carlyle Group{how the hell does the fact that the Bushes and the Bin Ladins sit on the board of this outfit escape due scrutiny?}), and that the unemployment rate is down (a lot of folks are holding two jobs).
All of which is why Chris Matthews reminds me of a carny barker - “step right up folks, and let us beguile you out of your rent money!”
The rich see America’s problems differently, generally speaking, because they’re rich.
A truly enlightened or perhaps more farsighted upper class would begin to realize that the current efforts to in effect reestablish the feudal system will lead to a quite nasty French Revolution-style pushback. Not over a period of centuries as things move more quickly in our times, but within two decades at the most.
your post was really good and I didn’t realize that consequence of higher home price
I want to comment on the part I made bold above
even if we discard the things you mention a person does when they become wealthy, they don’t benefit BECAUSE they would have acquired MORE wealth if the entire society progressed
what really happens when they suppress others wealth is they create a greater divide, they appear more wealthy then everyone else even though they would actually have MORE wealth if everyone grew
and that’s what they want, they don’t really want more wealth, they want there to be a bigger difference between them and everyone else
And at the rate we’re going, their grandchildren, and perhaps beyond.
The rich see us as a drag on their portfolio. When US Airways was abusing the BK code to break labor contracts, the sole concern of a rich couple I met at a social do was, would the ungrateful employees go on strike and disrupt their vacation?
The real genius of the republican las lain in their ability to convince them that the rich will invest their savings if only they are not “confiscated” by the government.
Rich people have more money than they know what to do with. if they have more, they stash it for the next generation or the one after that.
The Laffer curve was the biggest piece of intellectual fraud ever. since the beginning of time, every two-bit tyrant and despot has known that higher taxes raise more money.
I’ve heard “a rising tide floats all boats.” Right. When your yacht motors past my rowboat your wake swamps me.
Look. If you want a robust economy, you cut taxes and start wars. Right Mr. McCain.
they can raise my tide any time now.
Even the Fascist Henry Ford figured that out..can’t buy a Model T if you are broke.
((( Eli )))
Happy Birthday buddy !
I’d love it too — if I had a yacht!
Even my outrigger canoe has capsized…! ;-)
B*I*N*G*O
Capital has been manipulated as a notional value on which derivative transactions are calculated and profit and loss are realized. Finance capitalism, through income disparity condoned by supply-side ideology of keeping profit for the rich in the name of capital formation and letting the working poor be taken care of through trickling down from the rich, has constructed a financial infrastructure that channel profits to a few and assigns losses to the many. The inequity is mind-boggling. At least the capitalists of industrial capitalism used their own money. In finance capitalism, the retirement funds of workers are manipulated by financiers to exploit workers.
http://www.henryckliu.com/page153.html
Henry Ford was also somewhat of a racist.
Uh, Dood, it’s Ian’s BDay…! *g*
ROFL
Hi CT, how’s life in Paradise ?!!
Well… I’m really not at all worried. The coming tax rebates will cure all.
and anti semite
Really? Happy Birthday, Ian!
They sure will. I’m planning on putting an end to global warming with mine. What are you and Lahoma going to do with yours?
Maybe somewhat of a racist but he hated Jews with a passion. A really despicable human being.
Because how happy you are tracks how much purpose you have in life very well, and most people aren’t very good at giving themselves a purpose when they have enough money.
Yes. That’s what I was talking about. Very much anti-Jewish.
I extend my BDay greetings to both, too…! *g*
Fixed it, thanks Perris.
Good post. I love the description of making more pie.
Don’t bother, Bob Lutz says global warming doesn’t exist … /s
Has anyone seen Kirk ? I wonder if his head exploded when he read Lutz’s comments …
My position is that if one is an anti-semite, then that perhaps qualifies as being racist as well.
Thanks all for the kind words on the birthday. The big 4-0.
I certainly hope his head is okay — it’s one we can’t afford to lose.
I think it would be better to say it benefits those who are in houses, provided they handle it properly. Houses were, for decades, essentially the middle classes retirement income and price increases were to their benefit. But there’s also a generational aspect, and house prices going up tended to make it harder for the next generation to become middle class.
Overall I don’t like high house prices, but they’re one of the 3rd rails of American politics for a reason.
Happy birthday Ian. The best is yet to come.
Oh, yeah — I remember that one! It was 22 years ago… They weren’t lying when they said life begins at 40, you know!
My baby Sis (only sib) turns the big 4-0 in June…! ;-)
They’re acting in their best interests. They often know that screws everyone else, but it is their best interest.
There are exceptions amongst some of the very richest folks. Warrent Buffet, for example, who wants higher taxes on the rich and a higher estate tax.
Kirk, if I’ve missed your response to Lutz’s remarks, please forward them to me via FB.
GM is one of the largest Corporations and to have an officer say that the World’s scientific body are fools certainly demonstrates why that company is in such dire straits …
I don’t know what Lahoma is going to do with hers. But I am going to add it to my Christmas club and buy some gifts for the not so wealthy children in our little town this coming December. ;0)
L. says hello.
Has Mr Buffet endorsed anyone as yet ?
The Perfect Storm created by Bush, Greenspan, and Banks Gone Wild is sweeping across financial sectors, bigger than the subprime mortgage crisis; credit derivatives.
Looking Into The Derivative Beast’s Cave
Elaine Meinel Supkis
http://elainemeinelsupkis.type.....l#comments
Numbers That Do Not Add Up
by Rob Kirby
Having just learned about the plans of U.S. financial elites to cease publication of another swath of economic data, producing this short report took in a timely fashion has taken on new meaning – after-all, in another month or two – the data on which it is based may have disappeared too.
http://www.financialsense.com/...../0215.html
Bush (and Greenspan) makes Nixon look like an amateur. I always wondered why Negroponte was brought in and given enormous power.
Article from 2006: Intelligence Czar Can Waive SEC Rules
Now, the White House’s top spymaster can cite national security to exempt businesses from reporting requirements
President George W. Bush has bestowed on his intelligence czar, John Negroponte, broad authority, in the name of national security, to excuse publicly traded companies from their usual accounting and securities-disclosure obligations. Notice of the development came in a brief entry in the Federal Register, dated May 5, 2006, that was opaque to the untrained eye. …this is the first time a President has ever delegated the authority to someone outside the Oval Office
http://www.businessweek.com/bw.....=rss_daily
If a Bush impeachment for high crimes and treason is on the table it definitely won’t be about Iraq. It’ll be about the economic collapse of our financial system.
The 1%’ers didn’t elect Reagan, Reagan, Bush I, Bush II, Bush II. The genius of the Criminal Enterprise (aka the Republican Party) is having people vote against their self interest. I was in West Texas last week and all that I heard was people of marginal income trash Obama and Hillary. Tell people we need “Single Payer” and the come back is “I don’t want Socialized Medicine. I am beginning to think it is F’ing hopeless unless the coming depression changes a lot of peoples minds.
IAN! Your birthday cake!
We need to give the American rich some real problems — like making do on 5% of their unearned income, as we tax the rest of it to restore our economic balance. Like making do with only two homes, after we seize the others to house homeless vets. Like making do without extravagances like million dollar cars and boats unless they pay 200% tax on these sillinesses.
We need to tax the parasitic Paris Hiltons in our country to the point where they need to actually earn a living. It’s time to end the plight of the American aristocracy — it’s time to suit up in The Class War!
We need to nationalize the oil companies, big pharma and big healthcare. We need to try and imprison anyone currently serving on an interlocking Board of Directors. We need to win this Class War that’s been waged on us since Reagan!
Well, I’m not sure that’s true. It is a negative, but what really matters about being rich is the differential — how much richer than everyone else you are. I lived in Bangladesh for a time as a kid, and at my father’s salary (nothing special back in Canada or the US) we were very rich there. had 5 servants, lived really well (don’t let anyone tell you appliances are better than servants, they aren’t).
There’s also the power equation — money equals power and it equals more power when the rest of the country is a lot poorer than you. And power is very seductive.
How rich, and how powerful you are is relative. There are negatives (living in compounds) but there are huge positives to big gaps too. If you’re on the rich side.
Um … Raven and Marion … just in case I haven’t said it often enough … I really, really love you … *g*
Headline: $270 Million Lottery Ticket Sold in Georgia
But today’s rich mostly make their money off of various investments and not by selling direct to the US public. They don’t really see the connection and they figure they can sell to Chinese and Indians and Europeans and so on.
Hmmm… Raven did just mention that nobody who’s won a Lottery has had an easier life…! ;-)
Redistribute the wealth. Stop the wars and increase taxes on the wealthy and corporations, and put those monies into infrastucture, education, health care, creation of jobs, and helping to pave the way to a greener planet.
Well said Ian, your words comfort ……thank you.
Thanks Betsy. :) LOL.
wow, that post is an incredible compilation, frightening stuff there, especially negraponte saying it’s can be a “national security risk” for bussiness to have to report
we are in tons of trouble
I don’t believe he has, not 100% sure.
His problem$ will be my problem$ … *g*
I’m ready, willing, and able… I know how to breach obstacles and deploy effective defensive positions…! ;-)
Well done — easy enough for even me to understand ;-) Now if only we had such comments on the teevee, people might start voting their values.
If you pay your fair share of taxes, you probably won’t be wealthy.
teddy, that’s a great post but I really think we have to start calling this “reacquiring assets that were taken from the middle class”
I don’t want to call these “taxes”, I want to call them usage fees and re acquiring assets…it’s all in how the discussion is framed
here’s your real cake!