it’s called CLASS WARFARE …….

I was responding to the post that he was the most liberal and that is simply not true. The same outfit that named him the most liberal did the same to Kerry the year he was running. Cinnamon and I linked to the Media Matters article.

I know I’m not going to convince you. These kinds of arguments don’t convince anyone.

Nope…but Edwards rhetoric did convince many people.

Would I call him a liar to his face? No. But I would point out that his record repeatedly was counter to his current stands. If he had a “Shawshank Redemption” he should be able to explain why he had one and convince people he had some real epiphamy rather than simply trying to stake out a position to become President.

But, I wonder if Obama were from Arkansas would he have been a Liberal senator?

Probably not. He wouldn’t have been elected. In fact he may not have been in an environment where he would have had liberal ideas. I believe that Condi Rice is from the South. And there was some African-American DLC guy running for Governor of Tennesee (I forget his name, sorry) who was decidely moderate-conservative.

Would we have to write him off as a potential candidate simply because he came from the South?

Who do you mean “we”? Progressives? The Democratic Party? In the Primary or in the General Election? I’d vote for an Democratic moderate over a McCain/Romney/Huckabee any day of the week in a General Presidential Election.

I’m would not vote for Obama in a Primary simply because he’s the black candidate. Fortunately his votes in the Senate are Progressive-Liberal with a few Centrist oddities. Edwards, in terms of his voting record, was far more Centrist (I would not say he was a CONSERVATIVE, as you suggest). A moderate would be more like it…which in his geographic region is “liberal”. He was “populist” in his rhetoric on the Presidential campaign trail.

What does his track through life have to do with his current abilities? I’ll bet Karl Rove could out debate him and Rove didn’t even go to college.

When are you setting this one up? I’ll pay to watch it. Rove v. Obama You can catch the Rovster on Fox news? One of your faves?

Obama seems damn quick to me. So I don’t agree with your assessment of “quickness” whatever it may be.

I’m surmising what you seem to be saying. When I quote you I use the quote button.

The cocaine thing, the Rezko thing, his ‘present’ votes, whether Iowa was stolen and the ‘racism issue’ after Iowa indicate problems.

Boy are you out to lunch here. “The cocaine thing” doesn’t mean diddly squat shit. He says he tried it when he was a kid–and the people closest to him when he said he tried it have no recollection of his using coke. They said he took a toke of a joint once in a while. That’s really a fucking big deal isn’t it? Ammo for Tuesday’s debate to be sure for.

Rezko–I’ve dissected that until I’m blue in the face. I suggest you go back and read the comments after an utterly ridiculous post by LHP, particularly for someone who worked at DOJ’s Public Integrity unit.

And obviously you didn’t read a detailed explanation that I made and linked above on the “Present” votes did you? Psssst–every time someone raises the “Present” votes in the Illinois Senate, they are sending up a huge flare that says they don’t understand the Illinois law on yes votes in the Illinois Senate. Once again, and this time make sure you read it. It’s explained by a current Constitutional Law Professor at the University of Chicago who was not only on the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals for years, but a member of the Illinois Senate and in fact, was White House Counsel to Bill Clinton when Hillary lived there too. He is now a strong supporter of Obama, as is one of their long time friends starting with Yale law school who quaterbacked Clinton’s impeachment defense from Williams and Connolly.

Present Perfect by former White House Counsel to Bill Clinton Abner J. Mikvah:

Further, numerous women’s organazations requested that he vote “Present” for purposes of advancing their anti-violence towards women agenda or abortion rights.

Wash. Post’s Solomon ignored Planned Parenthood support for Obama’s abortion votes

But, where (politically) does Obama come from. To me he’s a cipher

Get his books and read them or google using the words “Where does Obama come from” That was easy wasn’t it?

Last year I discussed the candidates here and elsewhere a lot and only 2 or 3 Obama supporters ever spoke up. They didn’t seem to be the type who were interested in discussing issues. I don’t get them and I guess they don’t quite get me either.

We discuss issues at FDL and have been on this thread for some time.

He isn’t one of the most liberal. Feingold, Kucinich absolutely, but Obama not so much. A more cerdible poll has him tied at 10th place with Biden.

Quantify please. what exactly do you mean when You say ‘one of the most’? I’d say top-10 is ‘one of the most’.

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t mind him being this Liberal. That would get tempered a lot in dealing with Congress. My only problem is that his supporters don’t seem to know exactly what he is or that he is a human being with flaws.