(Please welcome Charles E. Cobb, author of On the Road to Freedom: A Guided Tour of the Civil Rights Trail in the comments — jh)
Let’s begin with the title of the book: On the Road to Freedom. Road here can be interpreted in two ways. The first, concretely, so to speak: asphalt: protesters demonstrating on city streets demanding their civil rights. The second, metaphorically and in a policy-making sense: making progress (pace media coverage, debates, and so on) on the road to civil rights, to freedom.
And so first the title: On the Road to Freedom. The book establishes and demonstrates first and foremost, in general: how history emerges from specific identifiable places: ordinary places; neighborhoods; and communities (the "place" as the ground–in the two basic senses of the word–(1) as the material floor of history (where people live their everyday lives) and (2) history as grounded in abstraction, the place forming the foundation of history in a philosophical sense (as when philosophers use foundations to ground concepts). And second, in particular, the book also establishes and demonstrates how the Civil Rights Movement emerged from specific places like Selma and Birmingham in Alabama, Memphis, Baltimore, Charleston, and Marion in Georgia.
The book argues first of all that the civil rights struggle did not happen in a historical vacuum (or pop up suddenly with the1954 Supreme Court ordering an end to segregated schools), but is very much a confluence of road struggles tied concretely to places. And so the book is also not only a guidance to specific places, but is also a guidance to understanding the significance of place. In the book, the crucial sense of concrete places grounded in history cannot be overemphasized enough. And then the book travels to places where the pioneers of the Civil Rights Movement marched over bridges, sat in lunch counters, gathered in churches, where they spoke, taught, were arrested, and where they lost their lives. A few of these pioneers are well inscribed in the memory of American history: Rosa Parks; Marian Anderson; and Martin Luther King.
Primarily, the book focuses on the South and that intense period of civil rights struggle during the decades of the 1940, 1950s, and 1960s. And also primarily, this is very much a book about freedom–the idea and pursuit of it–not only from slavery itself but also from the unique history of slavery in the United States, a history so ugly, so painful but yet fundamental, the author argues, that even after over two hundred years later in the 21st century we still haven’t fully come to grips with it: We still haven’t completely dealt with the collective trauma and social neurosis in its wake.
And now we get to the book’s subtitle: A Guided Tour of the Civil Rights Trail. Secondarily and finally, the book can also be used as a travel planning tool. Those interested in visiting Civil Rights historical sites–both concrete, like say, Selma, or cyberspaces–the book provides guidance about places to go: Sites and maps are clearly marked and placed in historical context. And as for cyberspaces, there are of course numerous websites in the book.
Please join me in welcoming Charlie Cobb Jr. to the Firedoglake book salon.
(One note about style: Civil Rights Movement and Civil Rights historical places; but civil rights struggle. The first is a specific historical movement. The second, well, general usage that can refer to the historical movement itself, or to generic civil rights struggles of other US groups for any cause or specific issue. As an example: Hispanic US citizens can be engaged in a civil rights struggle against the abuses of US immigration policy[ies].)
(About the Author: In 1961, Award-winning journalist Charles E. Cobb Jr. left Howard University to work for SNCC (Students for a National Coordinating Committee) in the Mississippi Delta. He originated the "Freedom School" proposal that became a crucial part of the 1964 Mississippi Summer Project. A founding member of the National Association of Black Journalists, Cobb has reported for NPR (National Public Radio), PBS’s (Public Broadcasting Service‘s), Frontline, National Geographic, and WHUR Radio in Washington DC. A writer for All-Africa.com, the best newswire online service for mostly political news about Africa, he is the author of Radical Equations with civil-rights organizer and educator Robert P. Moses.)



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Hi Charles!
Charles and Biodun welcome to the Lake.
Thanks, Bev. Is Charlie here?
Maybe folks are actually reading the posts before commenting…different protocol for book salons, eh? *g*
Thanks so much, Biodun. And welcome, Charles. So great to have you here.
…I meant reading the post…
(This is my first FDL book salon, BTW.)
Thanks, Jane. I guess if Charlie isn’t here yet, I’ll thank you Jane on his behalf…*g*
(I haven’t met him or even talked to him, but I’m assuming he won’t mind me calling him Charlie…)
Welcome, Charles!
I just read this book while on a business trip to the South, and can’t wait to go back when I’ve got some time to call my own. It’s a wonderful combination of history book, travel guide, and social commentary — on past civil rights efforts and also today.
Watching the story about the students at Prairie View A&M in Texas made me think of many of the folks in these pages.
Welcome, Charles.
This is going on my ‘to read’ book list.
OK, my general impressions of the book. First, physical: Book is definitely web-friendly: lots of pictures; layout looks like a textbook (in a positive sense, draws you into the book) author did say somewhere that he wrote the book for younger readers because he wanted them to know history, their history, so the layout conforms somewhat to target readership…
Welcome sir!
Lots of pictures mixed with maps (the travel-guide part of the book) showing how to get to places…
Would you comment on how the success of the Obama candidacy, and possible election, reflects on the state of the country’s progress? It seems such a powerful indicator of justice and acceptance, though I do not want to over state that. And a portion of healing. How do you describe the impact and meaning?
Biodun,
I have to agree that the physical layout is interesting and draws the eye into the subject matter.
Is there a discussion of the Moore’s Ford incident outside of Monroe, Georgia in the book?
Moore’s Ford
In honor of four African Americans lynched in 1946 at the Moore’s Ford Bridge near Monroe, Georgia, the multiracial Moore’s Ford Memorial Committee, Inc. works for cultural healing, racial harmony, and social justice through education and community action.
The little sidebars in the book are the kind of thing that make the book stand out. They’re generally first person accounts of something touched on in the main text, like John Lewis talking about going with the others in the first group of Freedom Riders to Yen Ching Palace in DC on the night before they left on that historic trip:
Maybe he had nothing to leave anyone then, but he’s left us a real legacy since.
OK, I found it: Charles Cobb, Jr: “This book was also written to be valuable to young people, particularly those in their late teens and early twenties who need to hear real stories fro ma time and movement that seems distant to them. My experience as teacher and journalist convinces me that they are hungry for these stories…”
We’re having some trouble locating Charles. In the meantime, Biodun — can you elaborate more on your theory of history emerging from identifiable places? I was struck in reading the book that these amazing things were happening in the ordinary homes of ordinary people.
Nope, no discussion of this incident. There’s a discussion of lynching in the book, but that incident isn’t discussed…
Hello, Charles and Biodun, indeed i stopped first to read the introduction. i most definitely will be buying this book.
You really want me to get into this? Hegel and all that? Because I can’t really avoid Hegel when talking about any theory of History…*g*
Let ‘er rip, Biodun…
Charles will be joining us in a moment
In the book Chales Cobb notes there is no marker at the spot in Philadelphia, Mississippi, where the bodies of James Cheney, Michael Schwerner and Adrew Goodman were found in 1964.
In 1980 Ronald Reagan shamed himself by launching his presidential camapaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi under the banner of States’ Rights.
I was thinking that it might be a good place for Obama to start his fall campaign with a dedication of a memorial to these fallen civil rights icons.
Just say yes and I’ll get into it (entamer un discurs, as Derrida would say…to cut into discourse at any point…in history…*g*)
I’m sorry. I had my days mix upo. let’s start now.
Charlie Cobb
AWESOME
Here’s an identifiable place that hit me: Decatur House, which sits opposite the White House on the north side of Lafayette Park. Says Charles in the book:
Casts a new light on an iconic American place, especially with the prospect of an African-American moving in to the biggest house in the neighborhood.
Hope I have this right.
Charlie Cobb
Charlie welcome to the Lake.
Especially since Ronald Regan kicked off his 1980 campaign with an expressionmkof support for state’s rights here.
Charlie Cobb
Welcome — you’ve got it just right!
OK, Hegel identified three maybe four levels/or layers of History:
1. History of the Spirit–the big-cheese History, spelled with a cap H
2. History of the world–prose, the general history of countries, peoples, the kind of history Bush talks about when he talks about legacy and all that
3. The history of our owm personal lives…like I woke this morning and had a headache, ‘coz I went out to have a drink…I broke with Alana last week and I’m moving to San Fran… that kinda history
Hello, Charlie! You will have to include the 7-mile stretch of highway from Prarie View A&M to their polling place. youTube at #28
Hey Charlie–welcome
Jane wanted me to talk about the theory of History while we were waiting for you to show up, whence my 34…*g*
Charlie, I loved the smaller stories that you highlight in the book. How many of these did you know about before you started, and how many did you uncover along the way? I can easily imagine you approaching one person about some event, and them saying “Sure, I’d be happy to talk to you, but if you really want a good story, you should go talk to so-and-so . . .”
Well I would say, “history of the people” which gets to collective effort. Within the context of the modern civil rights movement this translaqtes into community organizing.
It really would be wonderful for Obama to start there – in no uncertain terms are we turning this ship of state around. i’m happier than i have been now for 7 years.
Welcome Mr Cobb
I have not read the book but when I lived in Montgomery, AL in the late ’90s I was always struck by the juxtaposition of the Confederate WH with the Civil Rights Museum and the SPLC and the Dexter AVenue Baptist Church all being within just a few blocks of each other.
It’s working, Charles. Glad you could make it. The book is amazing — have you been working on it for a long time, or did something recently inspire you to write it?
I knew many of the smaller stories. Some, like Barbara Johns in farmville Virginia I only had the outlines of. Working on the book enabled me to dig deeper into them. Some, I didn’t know at all, like Irene Morgan’s refusal to give up her seat in Virginia which led to the Journey of reconciliation and ultimately a Supreme Court decision desegregating interstate bus seating and the Journey of Reconciliation in 1947.
To wrap this bit up: Hegel said that from time to time (so to speak), these histories intersect with one another, and that’s what I was talking about in my intro..that this book captures well that intersection…
It makes me think the “practice” was much more widespread than we sometimes realize.
Yep. See my 43…
This book project has taken 3 years. At the end of another book project, sitting in Medgar Evers’ old neighborhood in Jackson Mississippi I told A group of teenagers that I knew Fannie Lou Hamer and one of them, totally amazed jumped up and said, “Mr.Cobb, You was alive back then!”
There are lots of places to include in an update and 2nd edition.
Yeah I get that with my nephews. “When I was a kid, back before they had electricity…”
LOL! Just like me yesterday–getting days mixed up nd all that…
I really really enjoyed your book, BTW. I learned something. Before I read it I had only s general knowledge of the Civil Rights Movement, Selma, Viola Luizzo, thee three NYC kids…
Mr. Cobb, it is a great honor to have you here.
It is my belief that one of the worst things that African Americans face is ignorance about U.S. History after 1865. I am afraid most American have no idea that white supremacy was legal until the 1960’s. So many naively assume it was a level playing field. As the credit bureaus warn us, history matters.
As you know it was perfectly legal for European Americans to deny people who they did not consider “white” (whatever that means in a particular generation) access to habeas corpus, the vote, education, access to health care, the courts, attorneys, housing, credit….
ONLY if you find it in any way helpful, I’d be interested if you have any comments about lesser known luminaries of the Civil Rights movement.
Conflict between Booker T. Washington and W.E.B. Dubois
Ida B. Wells
Tulsa 1921
70 African Americans lynched in Chicago
Irene Morgan
Systematic theft of African American middle class, burning their farms, vandalizing their business ….
Obama’s candidacy is historic, win or lose the nomination. Ironically, I think of Condoleeza Rice. Standing in front of the rubble of the bombed sixteenth street baptist church in 1963, if some had said then that a member of the church would be secretary of state, I would have said to that person that they shouldn’t drink so much so early in the morning
Short one-minute break…be back in a few…
If a person was to visit just one location along this road, where would that be?
I’m a white pastor, and one of my clergy friends is Robert Graetz. He was a white pastor serving an African-American Lutheran church in Montgomery in the 1950s. As he told me about it, there was this one evening when one of his members — usually very reliable — didn’t turn up for some event at which she was expected. “Where’s Rosa?” he asked one of the others. “Miz Parks got arrested today,” was the answer.
It’s the little stories that make the big ones come to life. These were real people, and you paint some very vivid pictures, Charlie! Many, many thanks!!
The important lesson to understand about the modern civil rights movement is that as much as it challenged segregartion, racisim, white supremacy, etc., what really drove it was the challenged black people made to each other within the clacl commuinity,
Great story, thanks Peterr.
“They arrested the wrong woman.”
Lovely story Peterr.
This is a difficult question. I think, perhaps the children’s section of the Rosa Parks Museum in Montgomery which works as well for adults and takes you via a replica of a bus through ten stages of Jim Crow is a powerfully important first step. Also the Fannie Lou Hamer gravesite in Ruleville, Mississippi.
I’m kind of interested in what you think about working in the liminal area of journalism and academia, how both feed into each other, cross-fertilize, as it were..
Thank you, I will try to visit both locations.
That’s one of the parts of the book that I really liked — your history as an organizer really informs it:
Very much so.
The difference between Booker T. Wasington and DuBois is less wide than usually realized.
Ah ah, That’s what Hegel was talking about: At that point History #2 intersected with History #3…
Well, I work mostly in the arena of journalism. It fails miserably when it comes to either past civil rights struggle or presenting a coherent picture of black life today.
Much appreciated.
Thank you!
Sorry to dip in late — got stuck at a social function that went on way, way too long.
Charles, I loved this book. Was an American Studies major in college, and did a substantial amount of reading on the works of DuBois and Zora Neal Hurston, and the assorted writings and speeches of Dr. King and other 1960s civil rights leaders, among others — and still pick them up when I hit that “nothing ever changes” wall to inspire me to keep fighting the good fight.
As I was reading your book, I kept wondering what you pick up for inspiration? Because this book was infused with inspirational moments, I know you have to have some favorites to share. I’d love to know what they are.
Charlie:
I also like how you emphasize the highly significant role that women played in the Civil Rights Movement, which is often overlooked…
There is a beautiful civil rights museum in Memphis as well, that is a good introduction for folks who don’t know a lot about the civil rights movement. It makes for a good afternoon, and some wonderful discussion for days afterward as well.
The book is filled with little surprises, no matter how much or how little one knows about the civil rights struggles. Charlie, in your research for the book, what were the things that hit you as a surprise?
Yes. I think kids lump King, or snc or core with some idea of “back then” which includes Frederick Douglass or Lincoln, or Nat Turner, or Harriet Tubman or who ever.
I take the position that women led. This is slightly different than the more often state position about women “supporting” the movement. I do not think you would have had the kind of movement you had in the 1950s and 1960s without the leadership of women–black women ion particular.
Do you think the common view of Black men trying to exclude or otherwise not treat the women very well is also not true?
I think that is certainly true — but it may be as much a function of kids not being taught the entire narrative in terms of American history from the beginning to the present in junior high and high school. I was lucky enough to have teachers and parents who encouraged me to reach beyond my textbook boundaries for book reports and papers and such to a lot of differing voices. Which, frankly, was unusual for a girl growing up in a tiny town in WV without much diversity at all.
I think parents and grandparents can really do the kids in their lives a huge service by introducing them to a lot of the heroes of their own lifetimes. It’s one of the things I loved most about your book, actually, Charles — it’s something I’ll be sharing with our daughter as she gets older (she’s 4 now, and a bit young for it now). I want her to hear about the things that everyday, real people did to make their world a better place — and your book is a perfect vehicle for that when the time comes.
My involvement in the southern civil rights movemnt was my inspiratiion–witnessing ordinary people doing extraordinary things. I wanted to tell that story and hope I did.
It’s not true!
Don’t you love it. or when a kid asks, ‘did you know Paul McCartney was in a group before ‘Wings’?
We also have a problem with the public school system which in terms of books and history only plays the lowest common denominator.
I love the story of how the old songs “I’ll Overcome” and “I’ll Be Alright” evolved into “We Shall Overcome” — especially the role of South Carolina schoolteacher Septima Clark, who changed it from “will” to the grammatically correct “shall.”
Hi Charlie, thank you for coming. Nice Book Salon Biodun!
pups, digg it!
The book also exhibits a lot of pride in the successful businesses establishments and communities out of which the civil rights movement emerged. Sadly a lot of the building seem to be gone before people appreciated their historical significance and need to preserve them. Are you engaged in any kind of preservation effort?
Birminham, Nashville, Montgomery, Selma, Atlanta and Baltimore also have very good jmuseum
Mr. Cobb,
Thanks for your book. Do you have any books you could recommend that address current civil rights issues concerning Native Americans?
I completely agree.
No, I am not.
Thank you for your conversation. Our local paper had a article that said one of the major things our candidates should be talking about is the ongoing economic disparity between Black families/wage earners and Whites, whether hiring, salaries, or family structures, etc. Do you think that is where the major issues are now?
Back to Hegel, my German pal who also got his priorities mixed up at some point…My own fascination with him is somewhat perverse:
(He once said: “At this point we leave Africa, never to go back to it again. For it plays no significant part in the History of the World…”)
Charlie: I like how your book mixes the high and the low, which is again how History always operates…
Thanks Elliott…
Yes, indeed.
Thanks to the good people on this blog, a bunch of us in MA went to CT to get out the vote for Ned Lamont. We’re all involved in another big struggle.
i mean the military industrial media war machine.
Mr. Cobb, just wondering if you ever had a chance to visit the Black Holocaust Museum in Milwaukee and if you had any opinion on it.
Do you see any groups today doing work that parallels SNCC’s community organizing in the civil rights movement of the early 60’s?
Wow.
This is a book I’ll have to get.
Passing the stories, from one generation to the next, is more than a matter of passing along dates and places and events. It takes a storyteller that makes the event come alive.
Parents and grandparents do this for their kids, but good teachers are able to do this for their students. Good teachers, journalists and historians do this for all they touch — and those lives are never the same afterwards.
Sort of OT..I grew up in the DC area…Are you related to Dr. Montague Cobb?
Somewhat relates andnot at all off topic:
Charlie: Do you know Skip Gates> Are you familiar with his work? There’s a reason I’m asking, ‘coz it relates to approaches to research…
Welcome. You mention journalism today seems to have a difficult time presenting a coherent picture of black life today. Why do you think that is? And how is that changing? (or is it?)
Charlie might be having problems with the toobz….This does happen. Bev?
Thanks Charlie, hopefully you will stop by later and answer some more questions. Thanks for coming to the Lake.
Thanks so much for being here today, Charles. We appreciate it.
Problem with the connection at my hotel. Struggling to get back on again
Yep…this does happen…*G*
Well, It’s a shame your guest had connection problems, Biodun, you chose a wonderful book for your first gig! Thank you!
Thank you again Mr. Cobb,
and Bev and Jane and Christy and…