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There's a reason last night's final debate comment from Hillary Clinton -- and her respectful gesture to Barack Obama -- brought a cheering Texas audience to its feet. To be sure, the debate had ended, but the moment served as a perfect metaphor for what these two extraordinary Democratic candidates have come to symbolize for this year's elections.
From the CNN transcript:
CLINTON: You know, the hits I've taken in life are nothing compared to what goes on every single day in the lives of people across our country.
And I resolved at a very young age that I'd been blessed and that I was called by my faith and by my upbringing to do what I could to give others the same opportunities and blessings that I took for granted.
That's what gets me up in the morning. That's what motivates me in this campaign.
(APPLAUSE)And, you know, no matter what happens in this contest -- and I am honored, I am honored to be here with Barack Obama. I am absolutely honored.
(APPLAUSE)CLINTON: Whatever happens, we're going to be fine. You know, we have strong support from our families and our friends. I just hope that we'll be able to say the same thing about the American people, and that's what this election should be about.
There was some speculation on the post-debate analysis about whether Hillary Clinton was foreshadowing the end of her campaign, now that the most recent polls show Obama closing the gaps in Ohio and Texas. It's true that during the debate, she did not repeat the implication that Obama wasn't qualified, and she stayed away from a back door fight over won delegates -- that will "work itself out." But I don't think throwing in the towel was the point.
Her final line was one she might have borrowed (with irony) from John Edwards, at an earlier moment in this campaign when the Democratic party essentially recognized that retaking the Presidency and indeed the point of government service was a duty owed to the American people. It is they who have suffered through the dreadful years of the Bush Administration, and it is their economic future and security that are at stake.
Almost everything else in the debate involved details about how a Democratic President will begin to address the appalling neglect and injustices the Bush regime has inflicted on the country. These details will eventually matter, but for now, the main message Democrats are delivering is that we have two exceptional candidates who understand what has happened and who are both committed to do something about the mess we're in, to address the problems with intelligence and compassion and to pursue solutions with energy and determination. We have not had a government like that in nearly at least a decade, and the thunderous applause last night was all in anticipation of its imminent return.
The notion that government is an essential force to improve the lives of ordinary people is not only a rejection of George Bush, but also of Ronald Reagan. John McCain and his Republican followers have no idea what this is about, and that is why they will lose the country.
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Yes. And good-bye to all that.
All that bushist fascism stands for. Stood for.
Beautiful, Scarecrow.
Scarecrow!
Scarecrow, Thanks!!!
good morning - coffee is almost ready…
one thing I see in Clinton is that she is a very good Democrat. In spite of all the yowls and howls of those who think she is a Truly Awful Woman, she still is looking out for her party and her country…
Obama has come an awful long way since he’s started this thing. He really should thank Hillary for a fine education.
Good morning, Scarecrow.
You’ve written a nice summary of last nights debate.
Civil, fair and nothing over the top.
I appreciate your words and attitude.
Where is everyone? Some news hangovers?
O God, I hope you are right. Both very smart adults. Good morning. Thanks for a good start.
Amen, there. And when Obama wins, he should appoint her Attorney General, IMHO.
Great S’crow.
Can you imagine how great they could be if they were working together?
Hey. I hadn’t heard that suggestion before. I like it.
A lot.
Morning Old Coastie. How ya be?
Perhaps, like many who have gone before her, Hillary learned how to say hello, when it was time to say goodbye.
What do you mean? We’re here…
lol, yup
That’s just so different from the wet-pants Republican crowd telling us we’re all going to die if we don’t do exactly as they say. I really felt good about her when she said this. I think she has been very poorly served by her staff, but I take this statement from her to mean that she won’t just fade away after March 4. She may drop out of the race, but it looks like she will continue to serve our country. That will be to our benefit.
Morning Biodun.
How’s tricks?
Still in Evanston. Heading to LA Sunday afternoon…
The Onion today has a headline stating that Americans still undecided about who to vote against. This November people will head to the polls excited to vote for the democratic nominee.
I guess great minds time-stamp together…among other things…*g*
I’ve got to say, though, that this is pretty shocking, from the NYT:
I know there are a lot of people who think she should go on the SC - and I’m not saying she should not. But right now, the place that needs someone with steel to clean it up is DOJ. That is an unholy mess and I see HRC as someone who not only has a very clear sense of what justice is and what the Constitution says, but who also has the steel to do the cleaning job that needs to be done.
Ha, my old man was the assistant basketball coach at ETHS in 54!
I’m not a Clinton supporter, but I’ve always believed that if she loses her first phone call will be to Obama “Congrats. What do you need and how can I help?”. And Vice Versa.
Boxturtle (And she’ll mean it)
The sooner the dems pick their nominee the better. They need to heal up after the rather long and somewhat (as usual) unfair (Thanks MSM) “race”.
The dems will likely take the WH regardless of who is the nominee, but it is MORE important that the coat tails be long and that the progressive caucus grows by leaps and bounds and the DINOs are quarantined where they can do no harm.
The legislature has a lot of work to undo bush and we also need to clean up the court. It has become a wing of the repug party and far right agenda. This is not a conservative court is a quasi fascism one. That’s scary. That HAS to change.
If Clinton were made AG, absolutely everything she did to reverse the horrors of this administration would be framed by the GOP and media as “revenge” for Bill’s impeachment trial and slights the family has put up with from the Republicans all these years.
Not that I have a problem with that necessarily, but I want it taken more seriously than that.
Great post, as always Scarecrow. Thanks.
well, let’s see… it’s 530am and raining… still sleepy I think…
;-)
How do these slugs come up with these “fees” for “service”? Absolutely nothing to do with working Americans.
The two Americas. And wide wide gulf between them.
I agree. That’s why I think Edwards should be the point person on the clean-up, whether it’s as VP or AG. I’d like to see Clinton stay in the Senate until a SC position opens up.
They can frame it anyway they want.
Seriously or not, as long as whomever gets the post cleans up that mess.
I agree with Toby, that HRC has the steel to do it.
The economy is beyond Fed tweaking. Ourt government has to rethink its laissez-faire approach to wall street and capital. They need to be held accountable NOT BAILED OUT and then seriously reigned in. If we continue on with the same fixes for the broken model we will simply crash on the Dem’s watch. Then fascists will take over and a real street fight will ensue. Blood will flow.
What’s SC?
Oh yeah? Northwestern? That’s on the list of my son’s college choices…because of of the Merrill School of journalism…Brown, Cornell, and U Penn are the others… (He was here with me but went back to Minneapolis Tuesday morning…)
I would not want to see Clinton at DoJ (Fitz!) or on the SC. While I know she’d be good at DoJ, she wouldn’t be able to do her job with all the cries of “revenge motivation” from the GOP.
If I were Obama, I’d put Bill Clinton as Sec Of State and try to make Hillary a key senate chair. I’m gonna need someone like her to move things through the senate.
Boxturtle (Conyers as Atty General has an EVIL sound to it. :-) )
Supreme Court
Fine post, Scarecrow. I took it the same way you did. I cheered at home because I took it as a statement that she understood how important the election is to the country and the party; that she knows Obama would do an excellent job; and she is not so driven and egotistical that she will push her campaign to the point of damaging the more important goal of defeating the Republican candidate. It was a fine statement.
Biodun,
It’s forecast to be rainy on Sunday, in LA, but sun should be here M - W. Good beach weather. :)
How long have these people been running for president? Like a year now? And the conventions don’t end until sometime in August. So the parties are running against themselves for months and months and months, and then they get barely three months to run against each other.
Our election process has gotten seriously screwed up. I suspect that the corporate media has been behind this distortion of our political process because they benefit the most from it. The American people certainly do not.
We need public financing of political campaigns. We need to get the big money out of our political process.
Hill needs to have a larger profile in the next period if she is not the nominee. Senate leader, cabinet post, but not send her back to the senate as NY’s junior senator. Too humiliating and does not recognize her rather (flawed) strong run for the top stop.
Hillary Clinton ran a great campaign…..for the 1990s. But times have changed. Today’s modern candidates use web 2.0 social networking technology plus good old fashioned shoe leather to get the message out. The Clintons ran a consultant-centric big state campaign. Obama ran a bottoms up 50 state strategy. It’s a very clear Howard Dean vs. Terry McAuliffe approach.
That would be the Medill School of Journalism (speaking as an NU alum myself).
Oh, That SC.
Interesting…..very. And, a long term gig. I like it! A little karma, huh?
SCOTUS…
and if it is “revenge”, then it is her revenge on behalf of the American People, on a political party which thought it was above the law and whose members thought it was OK to turn this country into a place where people are afraid of what they say, what they write, who they talk to on the phone, etc. The great harm that has been done to this country, its belief in itself, and to the foundation of the Constitution is horrific — if the GOP tries to couch this as being payback for Bill’s impeachment, then they are just…being stupid and it will be seen as such.
very nice ms clinton, very nice indeed
hat’s off
< insert broad smile here >
Good Morning Scarecrow, what a warm and wonderful post!
Is that an invite? Which beach do you frequent? I go to Laguna…
Because the media and politics never plays a role in DOJ investigations?
I know they should not, but that does not mean they do not.
Thanks…I have a Merrill on my mind, a certain Jan Merrill. (Please don’t ask.)
Did you guys hear about the security stand-down at the Obama event in Texas on Wednesday?
Not a good precedent, eh wot?
The convention scheduling is a by-product of the public financing rules we have right now. They separate primary contributions and expenditures from general election ones, and so both parties want to save all their general election bucks as long as possible. The ideal scenario, according to the conventional wisdom from the party perspective, is to have a nomination wrapped up well in advance so they can spend all their “primary” funds attacking the other side, then have the convention to formally anoint a nominee, and then attack the other side with general election funds.
This year, with Clinton and Obama continuing to go at it longer than folks expected, that wisdom may get turned on its head. The longer the Democrats continue to hold up not one but two good candidates like this, the more John McCain looks pouty, small, and in the pocket of his lobbyist friends.
Great post, scarecrow!
Of course, it’s an invite. I like all of them…but if we hit up Laguna, we might be able to get Loo Hoo to come meet us for dinner, after she get’s outta school. That would be cool. She’s down that way…a little further, but’s it’s doable.
lincoln, got to love the man;
god bless
Nothin’ er, untoward. She’s the other half of family friends we’re visiting here (in Evanston).
he-he…
Ordered by the Feds, I might add.
Oh, and Old Coastie too. An impromptu meet up, as it were.
Is this also the electorate that gave us 2 terms of George Bush? The first one was stolen. But when he was RE-ELECTED, I lost all faith in the judgement of the people in this country. Yes, the media is responsible to a degree, but the people are totally responsible for their ignorance.
Hey… What is not seriously screwed up in the country?
Seriously.
Our military is a wasteful resource sucking polluting monstrosity.
Our environmental policy does nothing, as our shit engulfs us.
Our energy policy is non existent.
We still have racism - remember Jena
We have a huge drug problem
We have 2.5mm in prison
Our schools are falling behind the rest of the world
Our vets are treated like shit
Our people have no health care
Our jobs are disappearing like smoke up the chimney
Our dollar is worth nothing
The guilty are promoted and not held acnountable
We torture
We were told to be consumers and we were addicted to debt.
Our athletes are dopers
I don’t see too many positive developments.. Iphone, Ipod, WiFi? Who cares?
Hey don’t get me wrong — I think the GOP in a cancer on America that needs to be cut out and destroyed. (or maybe just soaked forever in formalin)
However, with every media outlet talking about “Hillary’s Revenge” in the DOJ, I think that the media/GOP would become VERY concerned about the “politicization” of the DOJ under this “evil liberal bitch”.
And I don’t want anything to interfere with cutting that damn cancer out.
Sounds like a plan…(We should go private now before Mods get mad…*g*)
I DID remember you, before your he-he. :)
Good morning everyone.
Not totally. There is a presumption that the MSM is providing some balance and accuracy in their reporting, that they are fulfilling their franchise to inform the public.
They’re not. They’re making money and dumbing down America.
All that and more.
FDL toobz acting up…
I’m with you there, but as the Wicked Witch of the West said, “This must be done delicately…lest we ruin the spell..”
How do we do that? How do we make sure that these folks don’t just go underground and then pop up again? Without their being impeached, I don’t think there is anything short of a prison term to prevent them from coming back - that’s how we ended up with Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld et al after Watergate. No one was held accountable for their actions. How do we do that?
But we DO have the WWW the most amazing tool for democracy.
And we have FDL!
If you’re still here:
Did you get my comment re: Dr. Kathryn Huff last thread?
I missed the debate but skimmed the live blogging. The line that caught my eye was this from bluetexan’s coverage:
Note that Obama was a lecturer in constututional law at the University of Chicago for eleven years. And apparently Hillary saw nothing wrong either; at least she did’t challenge him on it.
So it seems that Bush and Cheney have managed an Orwellian transformation in Amercia’s notion of the presidency from the job description in the Constitution to that of Big Brother. Wow!
The Republicans, the cons, will never go away. They are a part of the balance of the universe. The best we can hope for is to marginalize the lizard-brain portion of humanity for a little while on our small part of the globe.
Hillary Clinton is a very good person. She wasn’t treated fairly by the MSM or the left wing blogs. Firedoglake, Talkingpointsmemo, … none were fair to Hillary.
they have to be held to account, we are still haunted by the ghosts of S&L and Iran Contra to name two more.
Wow, those are stunning fees — for failure. Where’s the clause that says you get fined for 10 straight losses? If Hillary loses, I think it will largely attributable to these two men, although Hubby and surrogates can take a bow.
I was thinking Majority Leader for HC. Not my first choice but a real possibility and certainly better than Give-em-Hell-Harry.
That comment is a throw away line for the paranoid re terra.
The job is to serve the people and their needs, protect their rights, and advance their quality of life.
that’s the direction I see for her future, and same - not my first choice but a real possibility.
“May have borrowed from John Edwards”? Absolutely borrowed from John Edwards, who was not only the superior candidate, but the superior debater. I don’t even watch the debates anymore now that John is out; but when I saw this comment by Hillary quoted in the WaPo this morning, as well as a reference to Edwards when Hillary discussed her universal health plan, I gave Hillary credit for recognizing John Edwards’ enormous impact on this campaign. Remarkably, Edwards never used a speechwriter, and yet his words, and the ideas he put forth, are being routinely copied by the two remaining candidates. John was the real deal, and the nation has missed an incredible opportunity to elect a transformational president.
They avoided the over reach question as well.
I agree. The oath of office says nothing about keeping the American people safe. Even though keeping people safe is an important part of a president’s responsibility, his duty to defend and protect the constitution is his primary, sworn duty. To ignore this is to invite further disaster.
Hillary created her own problems by NOT backing away from her AMUF vote and the flag burning law and so forth.
She is not evil, but she is flawed and she certainly could have had more support from the left if she didn’t do those boneheaded things and acted a bit more progressive.
The left is not fond of critters who suck up to the right.
Even Obi’s across the aisle reach is not playing well on left. The left wants to have the right to shut up and let the left take the con and get behind the LEFT approach as opposed to play in the center to make everyone happy.
What you said
As I understand the Senate, making her majority leader would step on several VERY senior senators that Obama will also need on his side. But I agree she’d probably be a good one.
Maybe I’m an optimist, but I think we’re going to be VERY close to an effective fillibuster proof majority in the Senate. A skilled politician in a key position could m=ake all the difference so I’m for keeping her in the Senate.
Boxturtle (I don’t understand why I DON’T like her for president, yet I do like her in almost every other position)
Does no one think it is frightening that the FEDS ordered a security stand-down at an Obama event in Texas?
I was with a right wing friend of mine whose every response is usually “you are full of shit” or some such nonsense, but when the talk got around to Hillary he got visceral. Hatred and venom poured out of his mouth. I am fairly well versed observer of the political scene over the years and I honestly don’t remember anything that Hillary has done that is of much to dislike let alone hate like this guy does. He is not the only one like this from my experience. It is a testimonial to the effectiveness of right wing talk radio and the mentality of the right and it is stunning. So with Barack we won’t have this built in animus to fight; the hatred hasn’t had 18 years to fester like with Hillary no matter how absurd or unfounded. Also I think he will have an easier time making points against McCain since he never was for the war in Iraq in the first place. Hillary’s last comment and her dignity is inspiring, the choice is difficult.
I would think that Clinton’s larger donors I might be a little bit peeved about this. Smaller donors too.
I remember how pissed I was when Darcy Burner’s dweeb went off the reservation, and I only gave her $25.
Actually, I think if you fully investigated things you would find that FDL has treated both Senator Clinton and Senator Obama quite even handedly, as they did all the other candidates. FDL has made a conscious decision to point out both good AND bad from all sides during this primary season.
I was bothered by the constant references to “Commander in Chief”. I despise this Bushism, the President may indeed be the C-in-C of the Armed Forces, but never of the people. The common use of this title has a very unpleasant dictatorial ring to it.
Amen, sister!
Where do you get the idea that the PRIME role of the president is to protect the constitution?
He takes an oath to uphold it, but the duties go beyond that.
Oh my!
Yes, I do.
Just a drive-by to say: Caw, Caw, Scarecrow! Good Job!
Exactly. “Commander-in-chief” with no qualifiers is a synonym for “emperor.” We’ve got to stop using such terminology, or else Cheney has won.
Bush turned that oath into just a bunch of words.
oh man….that is beautifully said
Every elected official takes an oath to preserve, protect and defend the constitution more or less.
How about the:
faithfully execute the office of president?
The president’s roles and duties and responsibilities include more than preserve, protect, and defend.
Okay, poor choice of words on my part.
Boxturtle (Why do I only see things like that AFTER hitting submit?)
People should be talking about this, and loudly. This incident sets a precedent that should be nipped in the bud. There was no guarantee that some racist gun nut would not have slipped through, at an event in Texas. “Large crowds” are no excuse for such an action as he draws large crowds everywhere.
Right. So here is the full job description from Article II:
Never said they didn’t.
Who sent the anthrax? How about some sleuthing CIA, FBIA, NSA and so forth… we got some unsolved crimes there.
Bush obviously failed in his oath to preserve and protect the constitution.
Hey… that’s impeachable!
and never,EVER spoken about by the MSM,who were the first to be attacked by said stuff…WEIRD or what?
Fairness in how we treat competing candidates is in the eyes of the beholder, I suppose. Jane has written numerous posts criticizing the media’s (esp., MSNBC) misogynist attacks on Clinton, and we’ve all wondered about the more aggressive advocates on her staff, especially when it seemed they wanted to drag us towards race baiting. I always felt Clinton was much better than the people around her, wrote that she would be a formidible candidate, that she shouldn’t be attacked with right wing talking point; but I also wrote a critical piece on her Iran Kyl/Lieerman vote. I’ve written several posts on the theme we have two exceptional candidates that the voters seemed to be very happy with. I wrote that no matter how we resolve which of the barriers — race or gender — get broken by the selection, we needed to make sure everyone knew we were ready for both to fall.
Has there been any comment about this by Obama or anyone in his campaign?
I remember seeing something about it here on the toobz just before the debate last night. Nothing at all on the teevee, so it never really happened..
It is our job to keep pointing out when they use “their” language and move them over to the frame that we want….. My issues is the use of the term “illegal immigrant” and many of you know that….. people are not illegal, the act of crossing the boarder is a misdemeanor offense no greater than a speeding ticket. Do call someone who is a speeder an illegal driver?
I have stopped candidates in mid speech and suggested another way to say it. I reinforce it when I hear them use the terms that do not divide such as undocumented workers, persons….. never have I had someone challenge me afterwards but thanked me.
So write to the Obama campaign and complain on the language use…. let them know that words so matter. Look at the sh*t storm that hit when he event mentioned Reagan.
if only we had a table for that
The ‘progresives’ are not a majority. The dems have to have their base working class making under $59k, else we have McGovern, Mondale, or Dukakis again. Politics is the art of the possible. I fear that you’ve let right wing propaganda foul your brain in re the Clintons and left in re reality.