Tucker Carlson asks the right question of McCain mouthpiece Steve Schmidt -- did the McCain staff hold a meeting to discuss Vicki Iseman? Because that's what the New York Times piece was predicated upon. Schmidt manages to evade Tucker and squirm away without answering:
SCHMIDT: So John Weaver, like the campaign, answered a question for the “New York Times,” believing at the end of the day that the “Times” would act with some rationality, some degree of fairness. And instead what we saw was a salacious gossip, filled with innuendoes, piece of trash that....
CARLSON: But wait.
SCHMIDT: ....probably would be too good to be in the national—you know, too bad to be in “The National Enquirer.”
CARLSON: But hold on, hold on, Steve. Some of the salaciousness comes directly from the lips or apparently from the keyboard of John Weaver, among them, this. He said, there was, quote, “a discussion among the campaign leadership about Vicki Iseman.”
First of all, is that true? And second, if it is true, you will concede that lends weight and authenticity to the claim that she was a problem. Is it true? Was there a meeting?
SCHMIDT: Mr. Weaver talked to the “Washington Post” later today. And what he said was that he went to talk to Miss Iseman about Miss Iseman, according to Mr. Weaver, saying that she had influence on the Commerce Committee. Mr. Weaver went and talked to her about it eight years ago. And that‘s the end of it. I‘ve never been involved in a discussion with that. But I think that the point here is this, is that people are drawing an inference from the salaciousness of the story that that conversation was about an inappropriate relationship, and it was not.
At the end of the day, this story should never have been on the front page of the “New York Times.” It‘s about gossip, it‘s about innuendo, it‘s salaciousness, it‘s based on anonymous sources. You can‘t defend yourself against anonymous sources‘ smear.
CARLSON: I agree. I agree with you.
SCHMIDT: You know.
CARLSON: I‘m not defending the piece. I just think that Weaver screwed you by going on the record, because all of a sudden, there‘s John Weaver saying, yes, we were meeting about Vicki Iseman. We were so worried that we‘re meeting with—about Vicki Iseman.
Holy smokes, I read that and I thought, well, maybe it is—John Weaver is saying that. I don‘t get it, I must say.
SCHMIDT: I—you know, maybe call us naive, but it was beyond our wildest comprehension that a story like this could appear on the front page of the “New York Times.” Wearily, it‘s something that you would expect to see in “Star” magazine or “The National Enquirer.” It is based on nothing. It‘s one of those questions that, yes, hey, when did you stop beating your wife? How do you defend against that?
There‘s very few stories that are as unfair as this. This is in the same league as the CBS story on the president and the forged documents. Very unfair to Senator McCain. But we do have total, faith and confidence in the fairness of the American people.
There are a whole lot of weasel words being used here about this staff meeting. Matt Browner-Hamlin points to this passage in the Washington Post:
Members of the senator’s small circle of advisers also confronted McCain directly, according to sources, warning him that his continued ties to a lobbyist who had business before the powerful commerce committee he chaired threatened to derail his presidential ambitions.
Appearing before reporters this morning in Toledo, Ohio, McCain flatly denied receiving such warnings from his aides and said he had no knowledge that Weaver or anyone else on his staff had told Iseman to keep her distance.
As Matt says, McCain seems to be playing word games about what "staff" is:
The first line seems to connect advisers and associates in the same vein as the Times had previously reported the intervention. Neither are saying the people offering this information are staffers or aides. It is clear that at least two people very high up in the McCain universe have confirmed to both the Times and Post that they had a direct intervention with McCain over Iseman.
McCain’s denial, however, is circumscribed to aides and staff. In that sense, when it comes to the intervention by associates or advisers in his relationship with Vicki Iseman, John McCain is issuing a non-denial denial.
I think the press has an obligation to start highlight the intense (dare I say, Bill Clinton-esque?) parsing being committed by John McCain.
Newsweek already caught McCain lying about having been contacted to intervene on behalf of Iseman's clients. He and his campaign people are counting on a press corps that largely lets St. John off the hook not to press them on it, and it's working -- they've successfully managed to turn the story that should destroy his Straight Talk Express credibility into a crusade against the New York Times.
It's downright embarrassing that so many journalists are helping them do it.
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Keep it going Jane…… we are taking notes on everyone of these… for McBush’s 2010 Senate run…
Jane ! First ?
hmm and it keeps getting more interesting by the hour
Damn !
Ouch. To quote Cenk, Skycrane just landed an elbow on the top of McCain’s head.
how long before mccain withdraws from the race, and who takes his place, mutt or huck?
I’ll bet someone somewhere has a DNA sample.
I’ve been working on some McCain slogans
Jane, that’s the Rightards’ M.O., shoot the messenger, not the message… The Grey Lady is their favorite target…!
Lying about the Paxson deal.
Lying about the advisor’s “intervention” meeting.
Therefore, lying about no sexual relations.
Guaranteed.
OT sorry: Plane landed ok
Wow, McCain is SUCH A LIAR! How will we ever get to the truth? I like those McCain slogans Renee!
That was a truly beautiful soft field landing.
*wagging finger*
“he did not have sex with that women”
The Gray Schlock Express!
Sadly, if Shuster had been sitting in for F*cker, he would’ve pinned Schmidt down on the meeting…!
Egggsacktly!
Thanks for drawing attention to the staff vs adviser distinction Jane. I think this is probably the most relevant aspect of the sex side of the scandal - and its relevance derives from the fact that, like his employing of lobbyists and his historical relationship with Iseman’s clients, McCain is not being honest with the country.
ranting raver, that’s a fun link and it goes to another link called how to detect a liar
in that it talks about a fake smile, it involves just the mouth and no face muscles
I remember a clip of mccain at a debate where he did just that, so badly it makes a person laugh out loud, I wonder if anyone has that
Does it seem like the Friday Afternoon News Dump has been going on all week, to anybody else?
It’s not over yet. I have a fun surprise coming up in a bit…
What’s a “meeting”, anyway? Did they sit in a room, talk on a conference call, or IM? Probably not the latter, I suppose. Sometimes it’s hard to tell whether you’re in a meeting or not.
ever since the dems won majority, every day is a news dump
MUWHAHHAHHA
*evil grin*
So, this story is the chopped liver express to oblivion?
No, damn it.
grrrr shit
Aside, I heard a talk show host on the left, wonder what all the fuss was about, it was just a dalliance, never mentioning the point that you are so good at explicating.
What’s a (denied) “romantic relationship” as well? vs, say, a purely “sexual” one? Lotta careful choices of words going on.
+1 and hoping, not because of dislike, this has to stop, no matter what side.
The NYT opened itself up for criticism by accusing McCain of infidelity with zero evidence. They should have left that part out.
It’s an awesome thing to see the Mighty Wurlitzer in action. What thundering unstoppable majestic power in motion. First they came for the Times …
Shagalacious, baby!
This is a sad state of affairs…
http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit.....act-3.html
I think this is terribly unfair. How can McCain maintain his rep as a straightshooter if you keep showing that he’s a liar?
properganda?
improperganda?
Edit grrrr
“Soft field landing”… hmmm, might there be another pilot in the crowd?
I don’t think that’s accurate RobZuber. The Times article has one on the record source (Weaver) and two anonymous, top advisers who separately corroborated the same story. That’s three sources that tell of McCain advisers intervening at the highest levels on both sides of this relationship. I’d also challenge that the Times was making explicit claims of a sexual relationship - I think that’s the obvious assumption, but it’s not what they said.
I’d also point out that the Washington Post separately reported multiple high level advisers confirming that there was an intervention with McCain. The Post also reported that Iseman was banned from the McCain Senate office.
There is a great deal of solid reporting from multiple outlets with multiple sources suggesting McCain, at minimum, had a relationship with Iseman that merited intervention by his top advisers.
If you want to nitpick with the Times use of anonymous sourcing, I’d agree that they should have cited a reason why they granted anonymity. Remember that this story was initially being researched in November and December of 2007, when McCain was up against a full slate of other Republicans for the nomination. It’s likely that the two anonymous advisers in the Times piece were working with or for another campaign. That doesn’t make their story less true, but it would be a reason why they may have been granted anonymity. I’m sure the Times ombudsman will cover this shortly…
It would be neat if you could have the M rotate to be a W & back again in your anti-McCain sign.
C’mon you guys, I’m sure it is what they say it is-all those ace Republican operatives are simply a little “naive”! Yeah, yeah, that’s the ticket…
This is a dream come true: a foodfight between the wingnuts and the NY Times! It’s kind of like the Raiders vs. the Cowboys– you wish there was some way they could both lose.
Wouldn’t it be wonderful if both McStain and Keller get taken down by this?
If McCain’s campaign staff and close advisers are lobbyists, and Vicki Iseman is a lobbyist, why should it be inappropriate to have her hanging around McCain? Does that mean attractive female lobbyists always have the potential to develop into a sex scandal for a political candidate or could it be there was jealousy of her by the other male lobbyists hanging around because they felt she had an edge on them?
The sizzle is about Vicki.
The steak is that all our national politicians (with the exception of John Edwards and very few others) are ALL in bed with lobbyists.
It seems likely that the Times didn’t use all the information they had. They held back anything that Republicans might use as evidence that the entire story is false. But some of that evidence will get out anyhow … a photograph, a plane ticket, or god forbid, a motel receipt.
McCain is running the same risk that Roger Clemens ran when he got all indignant and denied the entire story. As it turns out, Clemens didn’t cover his tracks completely. Clemens said he wasn’t at the Canseco party, and there he is, right there in the photograph.
Why don’t these guys just admit the sex part of these allegations? That’s all people really care about.
Somebody has a photograph of Clemens at the Canseco Party? Do you have a link? Wow, that is big. There are so many other reporters digging into this McCain story so I think somebody will come up with something soon to nail him on the sex part. I think the NYT has more on it than they are telling as well. It’s just a matter of time.
Sports Illustrated article. Most other sports sites also have a variant on this.
Tucker Carlson asks a good question! Earthquakes at Yucca Mountain! What next?
Re: Clemens photograph. So what if Clemens was there? It doesn’t mean he lied. Maybe he just “misremembered.”
One thing’s for sure. That picture will be gone over by more forensic experts than the Zapruder film. It ain’t nothin’ till I call it!
Wow! Interesting. There is a more detailed article in the New York Daily News that reports the photos were taken by an eleven year old boy wanting to get photos of his baseball heros attending the party that day. Of all the questions asked of Clemens during the hearing, he danced around this question of whether or not he attended the party the most. Clemens “misjudged” thinking his reputation as a star pitcher is bigger and greater than some report on the use of HGH and steriods in baseball. I think his lawyer, Rusty Hardin, has been giving Clemens bad advice and it is too late for Clemens to turn back now.
Too bad Waxman did’nt have this picture to hold up to Clemens’ face at the congressional hearing and stick it in the eyes of the GOP committee members.
I was reading somewhere that Waxman could easily have destroyed Clemens by bringing Pettitte before the committee. Waxman declined to do that because he had misgivings about the whole inquiry. According to the report, Pettitte didn’t stand a chance of getting through the hearing without blatantly perjuring himself or flatly contradicting Clemens. Pettitte goes back to his pitching career with a bit of tarnish on his reputation, but it’s nothing compared to what’s happening with Clemens. He’s through.
I have read that Waxman did’nt want to hold this hearing at all, but Clemens and his lawyer insisted on having an open public airing so Clemens could clear his name. Almost all active players that admitted HGH use for one medical reason or another have gone back to playing baseball. That’s why I think Rusty Hardin is leading Clemens down a dark path to being indicted. That and Clemens stubborn pride. I don’t see how they can’t not indict Clemens now for lying after they went so heavily after Barry Bonds. The federal investigators will be accused of punishing the black player but not the white GOP baseball hero.
This thread is long over, but someone must have noticed Shuster is back and he’s on the McCain story. The Times, WaPO should pay Christie, Jane, EW to dig and report on this story. They’d have a lot more substance faster.
Not really innuendo. Don’t dismiss it to a former disgruntled employee either. The indirect answers speak volumes. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.