That the McCain campaign is sending out Charlie Black to be their rebuttal point man on the "don’t stand so close to me" lobbyist story is beyond amusing.
When you think about Charlie Black, think of him in terms of Jack Abramoff’s political reach, connections and influence — only much, much more so — with that same odious level of using it to the furthest extent to suck money out of clients who pay-to-play from K Street. Only Charlie Black isn’t a dolt like Abramoff, and he hasn’t been caught doing anything illegal. Oh, and did I mention he lobbies for Blackwater and AT&T, among many, many other corporate clients?
The founder and current head of BKSH is Charlie Black, whose ties with the Bush family go back to 1972, when he and Karl Rove were jockeying for control of the College Republicans in a campaign so dirty that George H.W. Bush, then head of the Republican National Committee, had to step in and sort matters out. Black then worked for Ronald Reagan’s and George H.W. Bush’s presidential campaigns from 1976 to 1992. He served as an adviser to George W. Bush’s campaigns in 2000 and 2004 and is often quoted in news stories as an unofficial White House spokesman.
BKSH was representing Iraq exile Ahmed Chalabi as early as 1999 and continued doing so until the invasion of Iraq. An international con-man found guilty in absentia in Jordan for bank scams, Chalabi is most widely known for being one of the key pre-Iraq war intelligence propagandists who supplied skewed information to support the Pentagon’s ultra-secretive Office of Special Plans and the now-discredited pre-war reporting of Judith Miller for the New York Times. During 2004, Francis Brooke of the Rendon Group, which had represented Chalabi since the early 90’s, was working on contract in Baghdad for BKSH. Then in the summer and fall of 2005, Lincoln Group, which had been tasked by the Pentagon with providing pro-US stories to Iraqi media, was subcontracting the work to BKSH, as the same time as BKSH was registered to represent the government of Iraq as its US lobbyist.
Paragon of virtue, that one, isn’t he? Not to mention that he helped Jim Baker with the Florida recount doings in 2000. But wait, there’s more:
Even before McCain finished his news conference, uber-lobbyist Black made the rounds of television networks to defend McCain against charges that he has been tainted by his relationship with a lobbyist. Black’s current clients include General Motors, United Technologies, JPMorgan and AT&T.
Black said he is still being paid by his firm and does work for clients in his "spare time," recusing himself from lobbying McCain: "I not only do not lobby him [McCain], but if an issue comes up that I have a client on, I will tell him that and stay out of the discussion."
Never mind that, as a lawyer, Black knows that he’s required to "Chinese wall" himself off from an appearance of impropriety problems like that. I’m sure Black’s proximity to GOP presidential candidate McCain doesn’t do his clients any good in how he tries to influence other politicians on their behalf, because proximity to power has no value whatsoever inside the Beltway. Uh huh.
Much, much more to come…
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Zed!
darn – too late
flash – Renzi indicted in Arizona!!!
so close…
Morning, Lou — how’s tricks?
This crowd came to Washington 28 years ago and have run amok so long
they cannot percieve the change that blog scrutiny has produced, they
still think they can walk this stuff by in plain sight. Their bucket
may have a hole in it…
Too many holes to count. But Marcy and I are sure gonna try…
They have moral or ethical compass.
They have a good scent for money.
Good Morning CHS…I’m wonderful and it’s SNOWING!
Great post…keep both those oars in the water!
Dang…. too late doing the happy dance…. Go Howard Shanker!
I want to thank everyone here for digging on McBush…. we tried here to open peoples eyes to him but he really had more Teflon than Reagan.. thanks for pealing it off and showing all the ugliness underneath….
BTW… did you know that McBush is Chairman of International Republican Institute which has been involved in creating opposition to elected governments that Repugs just do not like (Chavo anyone?)
IRI
McCain and the lobbyists reminds me of this slightly modified exchange from the Godfather, my bible for politics.
And I believe it about as much.
That is why I am a firepup, it sure beats the dead journalism of today.
Keep the faith baby!
SanderO, I think you forgot the NO in your #7?
Christy – here’s some recent news from MSNBC and the Associated Press that may be of interest:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23293603/
think progress has a post up right now with
a picture of renzi behind teflicain
stephen, I owe you a coke
This is what incest produces. McCain is his own grandpa. McCain and his lobbyists and their consulting (BKSH) firms (another name for front organization dealing in illicit activity) cuddle each other in the same bed and deliver the same nasty business. What we got here is a bootleg candidacy.
Could someone point out one legitimate Repug? I seems to have missed the lone figure.
McSleaze:
UPDATE: Renzi is member of Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) National Leadership Team as well as a co-chair of his Arizona Leadership Team.
-G
To generate a special election in AZ… there has to be more than 6 months from a scheduled election so if he sits it out 30 days there will be no special election and for November.
I suspect the GOP is begging him to sit it out because they are really broke… and don’t have much of a candidate lineup to run for that seat.
I saw Candy McLobby this morning on the teevee…her usually “tight” face had some obvious puffs under her eyes…
Gov Jodi Rell of CT is the closest I can think of.
Shadegg (AZ CD-03) was all the local TeeVee defending McBush but this is a guy is is also a hairs breath from his own indictment…. and having 130 Repugs begging him NOT to retire because there is a kickass Dem running for his seat…. Bob Lord….
There is much wisdom to be found in The Godfather.
I’ve borrowed (plagiarized?) from it on countless occasions.
Deep down inside she is questioning. She knows how she got to be Mrs. McCain and it must be driving her nuts. Sorry Cindy, what goes around.
-G
Is there something in the water in Arizona? My daughter lives in Tucson and I don’t think she will be infected since she is working hard for Obama. Too many crooks.
So would Napolitano then get to appoint someone in the interim without a special election?
Bob Geiger is back at Agonist!!!!!1
Plus a large chunk of America will get to see the Siegleman story about how the full faith and credit of the United States was used to game an election and ‘criminalize politics’, to plagiarize a term from Bloody Bill Kristol, and convict a man to keep him from winning elections.
-G
P.S. The massive ego of George W. Bush is going to smother John McBush. He is so arrogant that he will demand ever deeper and closer hugs from the GOP nominee.
I have to say, in her shoes, I’d be wondering, too…
katymine, I saw the article about Shadegg resigning and almost did a Snoopy happy dance. Then the other day I saw another artice stating that he was about to change his mind after the GOP begged him not to resign. I was wondering if you know if the GOP made promises to Shadegg about a future in the leadership (of their sinking ship) if he doesn’t resign? What do you realistically see as the chances that he will be indicted and when do you think that could happen?
As far back as I go back in McCain’s personal history, like shrub, his daddy got him out of all sorts of failures. Like shrub he has no inner sense of right and wrong. You just don’t have an operation and have a moral compass installed when you become president.
So, why does McCain want to become president? Did he ever say?
Christy,
I don’t think Congressman get appointed by Governors. It always seems to be a special election. I may be wrong, but it seems that Senators are the ones that get appointed.
-G
The Republican Party is nothing more than a criminal enterprise, from top to bottom. Like the Mafia, the only way to eliminate the threat they pose to the nation is to treat the entire party as a criminal conspiracy. A new Attorney General should use the Rico statute to send these criminals where they belong, federal prison.
Ann I most certainly DID,
Could you be my edit buttonatrix?
Charlie Black’s ” BKSH was representing Iraq exile Ahmed Chalabi as early as 1999 and continued doing so until the invasion of Iraq. “.
No wonder McCain thinks we can win in Iraq he is getting his intelligence from the same guy who told Dick that American solders would be greeted with hearts and flowers in Iraq.
Exactly. I heard something this morning on Morning Joe…The New Republic guy was there, and he said something that sounded to me kind of damaging. What I think I heard him say, was that the NYT story was held up until they had something concrete, like a hotel receipt or something like that, prior to publishing. Neither host reacted or pressed him, so that is why I’m not sure I understood him, because I was only half listening.
Katymine was just talking about the wonky rules in AZ on timing and special election requirements or non-requirements there. That’s why I was asking…
Does anyone think St.McBush’08 drop the dime on themselves?
From The Saint Petersburg Times:
I think I already fulfilled that role. *g*
The lobbying connections story is all over cable.
I talked to Shanker’s campaign manager and they have been reviewing the law about this and waiting to see what happens. It was only about the number of months or if we need to hit the streets for a special election. I am not sure about a replacement until Nov if he steps down. Will find out and let you know…
IF a Senator resigns then the Gov has to choose a person of the same party of the leaving Senator…. BUT she could pick someone who is considered a VERY liberal Repug (yes there a few left that have not crossed over to our side)
Maybe we can offer up Lieberman as a place holder:)
-G
Truly I think it’s sad that McCain thinks he has any chance of winning in the general election. His party is sending him down the river to take all the crap they have coming.
If I still had the inclination to feel sorry for any of these criminals, it would be McCain. What a futile campaign. It’s like he has that “kick me” sign on his back.
And before you all fire back, I do want to see the GOP go down in flames. Believe me.
How about getting a reliable Democrat to switch parties?
That would be a hoot.
-G
Cindy gets up in the middle of the night and watches the SOB next to her and she wonders. She wonders. Tomorrow is another day presenting a makeup laden face for public scrutiny. She’ll say all the “right” things but deep down images of her past flash before her. She has a gnawing feeling in the pit of her stomach. Sleep eludes her. The sweet taste of success is sour and bitter as bile. And, she wonders.
What a devious mind you have – I like it.
Which, horribly, had to be what it was like for Hillary with all the Gennifer Flowers crap. I keep thinking back to that scene in Primary Colors where she pummels the shit out of her husband in their hotel room and then walks out to figure out how they are going to leap the next hurdle…and thinking that I never, ever want to be a political spouse. And my husband is utterly faithful. Blergh.
McCain is there to get Jeb on the national stage as the VP candidate. If they win, that’s ok, but the important thing is to get Jeb a national following.
“flash – Renzi indicted in Arizona!!!”
That is so sweet. As a former resident of Arizona (for 17 years), I’m glad to see Renzi’s antics finally catch up with him.
The more bothersome question is what is it about Arizona that they keep electing people who get indicted? (The Keating Five; several former governors, etc.)
Bob in HI
Speaking of Cindy
Archive for the ’Separated At Birth’ Category
Why think this applies ONLY to politics?
Soon, Obama or Hillary is going to say, “We all know John McCain is in bed with the lobbyists!” That’s the moment that Team McCain is bracing for right now. The sex angle is always going to be lurking in the background, but the lobbyist part is pretty much right there in plain sight. He has no good defense against it. It’s not like the NYT hired all those people for him.
It doesn’t — but the level of scrutiny and the public ick that goes with it when something gets trotted out for political types and for celebrities is beyond excrutiating to watch play out in real time. Truly. It’s the worst part of watching this crap. And the media, with their infotainment bent, eats it up.
When the real story is and always has been the underlying corruption aspect which is screwing all of us.
I can hardly wait untill the next GOP campaign finance report! Will this tactic work to raise money for McCain a man who is NOT well liked by the base or insiders of the Republican Party, his only real base seems to be Independents and Lobbyists .
Once the Independents find out about the Lobbyists thanks to the McCain girlfriend scandal McCain’s fundraising among the independents should drop.
But what if it doesn’t, what if the GOP really is all about wining power family values be dammed! The Family Values that they crucified Bill Clinton for are a SHAM!
The Corporate wing of the GOP then should be sending in the money as the Independents and the Real Family Values Voters abandon McCain as just another Politician using them.
Well, I have to admit this makes me feel better:
Sen. John McCain said Friday that while lobbyists serve as close advisers to his presidential campaign, they are honorable and he is not influenced by corruption in the system.
“honorable” — oh yeah, first word that comes to my mind when I think Charlie Black and Rick Davis…
O.o
Jane made that point yesterday here: http://firedoglake.com/2008/02…..k-express/
And to Twain @ 24.
Tucson water is fine. The city is actually democratic, but not the foothills.
AZ is a sunbelt state where lots of money is made off real estate – lots of money draws flies and we certainly have our share here. But Janet, Raul and Gabby seem to all be straight shooters.
But we have our share of crazies – the latest big debate is allowing guns into schools so our children can be protected!!!!!!!!!!
It gets better sooner or later Hilary and Obama are going to say that many of the laws McCain has passed where written by lobbyists.
Plus, Tucson has one of the best used book stores evah (whose name I can’t recall, but Mr. ReddHedd would remember…it was awesome.)
A female lobbyist./s
Geez. We don’t even have that in Texas. Secondary schools or colleges?
You are right, but any public person-celeb lives in a gold fish bowl.
“in bed with” lobbyists, in the McVain case, becomes a wonderful double entendre.
Why haven’t we seen the candidates or the DNC use the phrase “in bed with lobbyists” yet? Something like, “The problem isn’t that John McCain is in bed with lobbyists, it’s that he’s in bed with lobbyists.”
My daughter loves Tucson and she graduated from UofA. She is absolutely crazy about the gem show every year. She has met Janet and likes her a lot.
Bookman’s Used Books?
Then McCain corkscrews like Daniel Day Lewis at the end of There Will Be Blood and everyone sees that he’s not the man for the job.
-G
Christy – probably Bookman’s – we have three in Tucson and a few around the rest of the state
Yep, brings to mind that very old and very bad joke about “honor” and “offer” but I just can’t go there.
Katymine, did you see this Mojo article about the International Republican Institute?
I use “Don’t insult my intelligence” all the time!
Poor Carlo.
Bookmans, Book Stop, Mostly Books, Truepenny Books? I used this google thingy.
Any word how this scandal is effecting polling? Huckabee might be able to contest the GOP Convention by saying McCain will not be able to carry any states if he runs. But The Huck can at least bring in the Fundie vote and save the South for the GOP.
The GOP needs to keep enough votes after the presidential election in the Senate to keep a filibuster in the Senate in order to stop laws that they don’t like and give Lobbyists a reason to keep sending them checks.
The GOP needs to hold the South and the West, if McCain can’t do it then a Huck/Mitt ticket can hold the South and get Western Mormons to make the West a battle.
I moved here from the Chicago area (Gary, IN, to be exact) in 1985, and over the years I’ve come to the conclusion that people here are extremely politically naive. What else could explain a population that first elects a used car salesman (Evan Mecham) who was impeached for obstruction of justice, and other charges, but mostly because he let his mouth overload his head and made a laughing stock of the state through his poor judgments and poor choices of words. Then they followed that up by rejecting a perfectly good Dem candidate, former (very successful) Phoenix mayor and current State Attorney General Terry Goddard, and instead electing a real estate developer with no basic political experience (Fife Symington). They did so because they thought he would be better than a career politician (horror of horrors, a politician!). Symington, of course, was convicted of bank fraud during his second term in 1997 and had to resign according to the law. People in AZ just make it much too easy to lie, cheat and steal from the public coffers because many just don’t pay enough attention. I think they think that politics just doesn’t matter and it’s too hard to convince them that it does matter.
See, I look at it this way. McLobby cheated on his second wife, which means that he betrayed her trust and lied to her. Whether the rumors of Iseman are true or not is not the big story.
The problem is, he has proven that he is willing to lie to those closest to him.
The big story is that McLobby is willing lie to get what he wants. That is a pretty big character flaw. He has no credibility in my book. He’s been schtupping. He is not trustworthy and he is not loyal.
But you Christy, there is some catharsis in knowledge. You are pissed and angry because you finally know what you suspected, but then that becomes a point to either move on or work to to make things better.
Not knowing is awful. It eats at you. Mrs. McCain was once that ‘other woman’ and now she is feeling the same thing that she once inflicted on someone else.
I don’t feel sorry for her in that respect.
-G
New info from Newsweek via msnbc, an obvious contradiction. Uh oh.
“The proposal, Senate Bill 1214, would exempt concealed-carry permit holders from a state law that bars individuals from knowingly carrying deadly weapons onto school property. If it becomes law, the measure would allow teachers and anyone else with a valid permit to carry their weapon onto the grounds of any public or private K-12 school, college or university in the state.”
And believe it or not, there are people in favor of it!!
Are you saying goldfish bowl…or
Gold Fish Bowl.
Har de har.
Either way, I think we all know you’re correct.
And that bowl does tend to act as magnifying lens, doesn’t it?
Some days, I love being a mere peon.
Re: # 76, you=yet.
-G
They just lie.
“The Republican Party is nothing more than a criminal enterprise, from top to bottom. Like the Mafia, the only way to eliminate the threat they pose to the nation is to treat the entire party as a criminal conspiracy. A new Attorney General should use the Rico statute to send these criminals where they belong, federal prison.”
I hope the next debate will address whether or not the Dem. nominee will promise to bring to justice anyone found to have committed crimes during Darth’s administration should either become president.
If not, it’s Ford pardoning Nixon all over again.
Less weight on your shoulders.
I don’t feel sorry for her at all. She was perfectly willing to have an affair with a married man and then she bought him. Tough!
Oooh, guess what?
Rick Renzi, Mister
Stray Cock’sStraight Talk’s BFF and campaign co-chair, has been indicted!Why do we fund these guys with tax dollars? That and why don’t they go after Right Wing dictators or the Saudi Royal Family?
It never fails to astound me about political animals that they will grin like elctroshocked monkeys for the cameras while aiming for personal, political gain and stay with someone who has betrayed that basic trust.
It’s hard all over for lobbyists these days . . . From yesterday’s SF Chronicle:
Emphasis added. The brevity of Kamburowski’s job as COO of the CA GOP is because that’s when his visa problems were uncovered.
YES! That’s it – Bookman’s. They had such a fabu science fiction and fantasy section, as well as some wonderful travel books that I’d been looking for a long time since they were out of print.
Well, Greg, you can empathise or sympathise or not.
Saying I don’t feel sorry holds its own karma.
ya know?
Janet Napolitano is a terrific Governor! Best we’ve had since I moved here, but I think the state legislature is actively trying to wreck her term of office and put a big black mark on her record. The state is currently over a billion dollars in the red and I blame the legislature for that.
Greg – that is many times the lot of Wife Number Two – if the husband had the capacity to cheat on Wife Number One to marry Wife Number Two, then he very possibly has the capacity to cheat on Wife Number Two…shoot..look at Newt.
Apparently they wanted him to phone or show up in person but a letter? No, they didn’t ask for a letter. So they didn’t lie only misled.
Emptywheel’s on it too…
My heart is heavy, nevertheless.
I can take something for the pain in my shoulders.
Not so much my sorry heart.
I believe it. I hope they are a very small minority.
McCain should use the Uncle Leo defense:
“Board of Directors
U.S. Senator John McCain, Chairman” So MCain can’t even organize a simple coup against Venezuela.
Come to think of it, it may be another conservative attack on public schools. Even I would opt for home schooling in those circumstances.
Why I like to read Juan Cole often, he puts things in perspective.
Note that Neoconservative pundits kept telling us that there was something deeply wrong with Muslims for protesting when they were kicked or expelled, saying that look, the Serbs have been harmed by US policies but they don’t go around attacking US embassies. I guess they’ll have to find a new argument.
And given that the Serbs are Eastern Orthodox Christians, will the Republican Party and Fox Cable News now start fulminating against “Christofascism?”
-G
Point taken.
I don’t want to be pegged as an uncompassionate liberal.
-G
“In addition to Penn’s extensive Republican ties through Charles Black and BKSH, as Berman further observes, BM recently buddied up with Republican lobbyist Ed Gillespie, former head of the Republican National Committee, to create a new advertising firm called 360Advantage. Run by two former Bush/Cheney operatives, the new firm’s first project was a campaign against “liberal bias” in the media for the neoconservative Weekly Standard magazine. The reader is reminded again that in a Clinton II administration Mark Penn would in all likelihood play a role very similar to that played by Karl Rove for Bush II, and perhaps even for McCain given the cold, clammy hand of friendship recently extended by Rove to the McCain campaign.
No wonder Clinton and McCain are smiling, as pictured here like a pair of newlyweds sharing a sexy little secret: With either of them in the White House, their good mutual friends on K Street will be well taken care of.
…Unless, of course, something different were to happen….”
http://www.opednews.com/maxwri…..p?did=6126
Does that mean we can un-name all those places named for St Ronnie, since the renaming was obtained by a fraudulent illegal?
Just who is coordinating this hit on McCain Karl? Everything is dropping at the same time! Just in time in fact for Huckabee, Mitt is out of the race.
The NY Times sat on this story until after the primary when it could have helped educate voters which is weird. Rick Renzi McCain’s Co Chair gets indicted before an election ? Since when do courts indict Republicans before an election without Karl’s approval since he hired/vetted the Justice Dept’s District Attorneys?
One more coincidence and I will assume a GOP shadow group is taking out McCain. I’m betting on Karl after all next to Bush who has the most to fear from McCain being President after what Karl and Bush said about McCain’s daughter?
Hope you will mainline this into the Obama and Clinton campaigns. You know it will never come out in the Coprolite Media.
I knew there was something creepy about Penn!
While I still think Sen. Clinton would be an improvement over anything The Dark Side could offer, stuff like this shows why K Street wouldn’t skip a beat under her administration.
Boy you are one brutal quaker.
G.
In my experience, there’s just not a lot of mileage to gain from being un or in or non compassionate.
Someone else’s mokassins…sp? oh, hell, you know those leather shoe thingies?
There is so much else to worry about, is all I’m saying.
But, So Glad you Take The Point.
You’re already (more than) two steps forward…
Two Big Stars and a Huge Hug for ya.
The NYTimes was going to run the story in December. McCain and Iseman both lawyered up — McCain with Bob Bennett, who went on an all-out pressure offensive with Charlie Black in tow to spike the story, whining about it being a political ploy to tank McCain in NH. Keller blinked and bowed to that “you are mean to conservatives” pressure, and they held off until now. But several reporters have been chasing this for months. E&P has been tracking it since November.
Having it come out now, instead of after McCain was the GOP nominee is a gift for him — because they will whine about it being “old news” by the time the general comes around. Keller is on my shit list this week…
Oh, Raven, you’re so cute. I’m sure ya noticed That before.
You get a huge hug too, this am…well it’s still am on the left coast.
It is interesting to note that the advisors for HRC and McCain are very close and are Rovians. Interesting to see McCain crashing and HRC getting terrible advice and struggling.
What was it that Rove said, “fatally-flawed candidate”…???????
It will open up a spot for Jeb or Mitt or something like that Mitt/Jeb.
They had to find a way to get HRC and McCain out of the way.
Yea, I’m cute. I love these self appointed experts on everything that has ever happened in the history of the planet.
You are right. It has been Jeb all the time, IMHO.
How many Lobbyists are volunteering for *cough* free to work for McCain’s campaign? How many have past or expect to have future business with the Senator?
Nixon was a Quaker.
I better leave that alone after the mods protected me from insults on the past thread!
Yesterday, McLobby was getting all sorts of kudos for coming out and straight talking about the NYT article.
He is now refusing to discuss it.
When I lived in Flagstaff, I was a regular customer at the Bookman’s there. In fact, they also provide a small venue for music performances, and it was one of the main places that my band used to play at –well, it was really Joan Wyatt’s band *G*
Bob in HI
I see Charlie got a little plastic surgery of his own. I remember that hack from MANY years ago. He was always on teevee, but always — ALWAYS — turned the right side of his face to the camera. (Reminded me of a debutante.) Whatever he was trying to hide must have gotten plastic surgeried away. So glad he made lots of money — to afford that.
Jeb? Do you think the Bush Family would allow Jeb to get chewed up and spat out in a general election? I think they are more than happy to sacrifice St. John or the Huckster in this…but not Jeb…not sweet little Jeb…
See? Why I love being a peon with a soft heart.
Hugs and dogs and thinking and helping and
Well, there are so many other ways to go…rather than
Ranting and Snarking and need to think or act like you Know Everything.
:)
But, and PS – I like those folks too.
Does this not mean that he must give up his seat forthwith?
Who at HRC campaign is a Rovian? Is it Penn?
Again, this am, I’m in agreement with you.
Who would do that to their…um, I was going to say boy, but, I’ll say their Loved One?
MSNBC reporting a twofer.
McCain may have some more lobbyist explaining to do.
Also, GOP lovechild Roger Clemens may have lied in his testimony (shocked!) and there are pictures to disprove him.
-G
http://www.opednews.com/maxwri…..p?did=6126
I like em too and that’s why I am here to call a spade a spade.
I don’t think he would get chewed up, I think he would be elected. I’ll bet Poppy is determined to see him on the throne before he goes straight to hell.
electedappointed…*g*No. If he is convicted and then expelled from the congress (last one that happened to is James Traficant), then he would lose all of his pensions and such. But until he is convicted, he can stay right where he is. Most likely path will be a resignation sometime before trial so that he can keep his pensions. Which was the path of Bob Ney and Duke Cunningham
Does this not mean that he must give up his seat forthwith?
Only Congress can expel a member of Congress. This is as it should be. In old England, kings would arrest problematic lawmakers and throw them in jail. We don’t want to allow the removal of a legislator just because of an indictment.
Well, looky here — Spikey Isikoff commits some journalism!
He finds a BIG FAT HOLE in McCain’s story:
Hey! Was I just modded?
Raven, what I said was…
Black is Black.
I want my baby back.
(and then it was here, and then it wasn’t.)
I would think that GWB would hate to see Jeb be president. He would be compared unfavorably for the entire tenure. IMHO, georgie will do everything he can to sabotage Jeb. (Which, of course, I would applaud)
“And when I took a thousand dollars or any other hard-money contribution from anybody who does business before the Congress of the United States, then that allegation is justified as well. Because the taint affects all of us.”
Heh, he said “taint.”
I’m sooo mature.
I think if the plan in the Bush Clan is to get Jeb elected, I think now is a very poor time to put him forward. Jeb is young. He just lost his last election as governor. If I were George Sr., I would feel that they need a couple of elections for the country to get stupid and forget what the Bush Family did to the country before they’d try to put Jeb forward again…
Los Bravos
Taint
*&%*&%$&
and taint
_)(*&%*^%#$^@#
He didn’t lose. He was term limited out. He’s now happily raping the country as a financial whiz.
huh..I must have missed that – I recall his being quoted as saying his political career was “over” – I guess I took that to mean that he’d lost. My bad.
Funny McCain’s girlfriend is making people pay attention to the lobbyists in his campaign and now if the GOP does their usual ” they are doing it too” defense as push back against the McCain Lobbyist story. Then the GOP will go after Mark Penn.
We will have our enemies taking each other out then:).
Thank you. Thank you.
That’s exactly what I was talkin’ about.
The Republicans are going to look towards a savior in 2012 (or, more likely, 2016). The 2008 election is lost for them, and they know it.
Jeb seems to be the most likely candidate out there for the Republican redeemer role, the one who’ll bring the three ring circus together (fiscal cons, social cons, and military/security cons). George Allen is damaged goods, and Tom Delay should be serving 20 to life by then. Jeb will be the annointed one.
I was thinking more of Town Without Pity!
Jeb’s career is toast for years. That is why Poppy Bush broke down blubbering like a child at Jeb’s retirement party. Poppy realized that his dissipated and idiotic son George W. has ruined the political future of Jebby.
It’s very sad, I have empathy for him;)
-G
From your lips to (Your choice of deity here, or select “None”)’s ear!
Yea, me too. My political career is fucked!
this was some grand scheme, it makes oceon 11 look like a public school play
first, they appointed members of the team on election boards, they appoint members of the team to judge positions, to positions in the justice department
they get rid of all the professionals, especially the professionals in the republican party, and they replace them with other members of the team
once all is in place, it becomes almost impossible to get elected without their say so, they rig the machines, they make sure it’s impossible to vote when they can’t rig the machines
they hire lobbyists to rescind the regulations that prevented industry from rapping the country, they hire the drug industry to write the drug law, the oil industry to set energy policy
they fire whoever even hints at oversight
this was one grand scheme and they will get away with it too
so the gravy train ended, so what?…they are left with the fruits of their depravity, they are now the wealthies on the planet and possibly the wealthiest in history
Raven….
Fair is fair…
for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5BfjNdItBw
Take some time off and vacation in Yorba Linda and then come back tan, rested and ready.
Works like magic.
-G
That’s a funny slide show
A classic to a slideshow of Ghost Towns
When we moved to Whittier in 1957 there was a Nixon’s Big Boy on Whittier Blvd. We used to hike in the Puente Hills above the College.
in name only… born… not practicing/ practiced/ practical/ or even practically …, as I recall.
-um- have u visited the last thread recently? heh.
ahem, u do know thinking every thought out loud is a sign of creeping old-cootism? heh heh
Darn! Did it again. Is it old-coot-ism when an old biddy snarks about old coots?
Boyohboy did i ever chase all those lil’ pups outta here in a hurry wit’ that useless broom. Really should clean my own house 1st.
memo to self: ah heck with it.
It’s the conclusion of that article, a lengthy excerpt from the deposition, that’s really murder for McCain. I like the “hard to square”:
A Hole in McCain’s Defense?:
But the campaign’s insistence that McCain himself never talked to Paxson about the issue seems hard to square with the contents of his testimony in the McCain-Feingold case.
Abrams, for example, at one point cited the somewhat technical contents of one of his letters to the FCC and then asked the witness, “where did you get information of that sort, Senator McCain?”
McCain replied: “I was briefed by my staff.”
Abrams then followed up: “Do you know were they got the information?”
“No,” McCain replied. “But I would add, I was contacted by Mr. Paxson on this issue.”
“You were?”
“Yes.”
Abrams then asked McCain: “Can you tell us what you said and what he said about it?”
McCain: “That he had applied to purchase this station and that he wanted to purchase it. And that there had been a numerous year delay with the FCC reaching a decision. And he wanted their approval very bad for purposes of his business. I said, ‘I would be glad to write a letter asking them to act, but I will not write a letter, I cannot write a letter asking them to approve or deny, because then that would be an interference in their activities. I think everybody is entitled to a decision. But I can’t ask for a favorable disposition for you’.”
Abrams a few moments later asked: “Did you speak to the company’s lobbyist about these matters?”
McCain: “I don’t recall if it was Mr. Paxson or the company’s lobbyist or both.”
Abrams: “But you did speak to him?”
McCain: “I’m sure I spoke with him, yes.”
No, just when it comes from a whippersnapper like me.
OT but interesting and other emotions- Discourse.net, this http://www.discourse.net/archi…..stuff.html
That’s good stuff demi
Can we still say fuck off wankers to the wankers
And take care of kids and dogs with love
cuz the wankers won’t