"Brains are like assholes" one of my mentors used to say. "Just 'cause we're all born with one doesn't mean we know how to use 'em."
What my mentor sought to convey is the odd fact that most prescriptions for psychiatric meds are written by non-psychiatrists. Although many of these non-psychiatrist clinicians know as much about brain function as any biologically oriented shrink knows, many others prescribing the meds clearly lack that information. For the patients seeing the latter group, the result is often missed diagnoses, inappropriate treatment, tremendous suffering, and - in the worst cases - catastrophic outcomes.
So what does all this talk of missed diagnoses, catastrophic outcomes, brains and assholes have to do with Senator McCain?
When prescribing meds for a patient - or selecting a leader for a nation - we can avoid a whole lotta suffering and death simply by incorporating well-known biology into our decision making.
We all like to think we're special. And we are - we're all unique individuals. So we all believe our brains and even our assholes are special. On the individual level, our brains and assholes are indeed special - and disease that affects my brain (or my asshole) will affect me in a unique and special way. Yet as biological organisms, we humans are pretty similar to one one another. As a species, our brains appear to share the same stucture and function - and the same is true of our anii.
Every politician - even Dan Quayle - has a brain. Senator McCain has a brain, too. And Senator McCain would take his brain along with the rest of him to the Oval Office were he to win election (or 5 votes from the Supremes).
What do we know about how Sen McCain's brain could be expected to function from 2009 through 2013 - or 2009 through 2017?
Well, the simple facts of brain biology can tell us a lot.
From my body's point of view, my brain's a selfish squishy diva who pitches a fit whenever the body won't give it what it needs. Among other demands, my brain wants about one-seventh of the blood my heart pumps through my lungs and out into the rest of the of my body. Greedy brain - that's about one-seventh of my total cardiac output. My greedy brain also has an incurable sweet tooth - it runs on the sugar known as glucose. The harder my little brain cells work, the more glucose they suck up. Lucky for me my brain doesn't have teeth - think of the cavities!
Lucky for you, too. Your brain - like Sen McCain's - requires about 15% of the blood your heart pumps. Your brain - like mine - requires a constant, steady diet of glucose.
And your brain - like mine and Sen McCain's - is a diva. Deprive the brain of its accustomed portion of the liquid feast the heart pumps out and - boom - the brain will take over the whole dining room. The brain does this by getting as close to the ground as possible, so all that yummy oxygenated blood will just flow downhill into the brain's greedy vessels.
From the outside, we call this "fainting".
Any good diva knows how to pitch a fit. When our diva brains don't get the glucose they want, we get all agitated - pale, sweaty, pacing, trembling. Our diva brains do this to get us to get up and get something to eat. If we don't feed our brains - or if our bodies can't make the glucose the brain requires - our diva brains will dial the performance up a notch. Our brains will direct the body to have fullblown seizures...long known by lay folk as "fits".
So what does all this have to do with assholes, catastrophic results, and Sen. McCain's brain?
Well, we clever monkeys known as humans share the same biological architecture (within our species). And we clever, self-absorbed monkeys have been trying to understand that architecture - and what that architecture means for us - at least since we started writing.
That long history of observation is the basis for actuarial tables: the grim lines of numbers that predict - for a given set of biological variables - how likely the humans who share those variables are to drop over dead or get nasty diseases.
The most obvious biological variables in humans are our gender (at birth) and the number of years we've been knocking about - and hence knocked about - on the planet. Exposure to toxins (smoking, occupation) are other biological variables. Opportunity to choose good food/housing, select safe occupations, and learn how to protect our bodies (all correlates of wealth) are other variables.
As I don't have gobs of money with which to bribe "support" Senatorial candidates, I've never met a Senator. Though I trained in a VA hospital and treated many vets (WWII, Korea, Vietnam) with PTSD, I never saw any Congressmen there - we were in Southern California...and irrespective of location, the veterans in Congress overwhelmingly choose red-carpet treatment at military (and academic) med centers over care in dilapidated VA facilities. Though I completed fellowship PTSD training at a major academic med center, I don't ever recall seeing a politician show up in the mental health waiting area.
So WTF could a doc who never saw any Senators - much less their brain - possibly learn about Sen McCain's brain?
Well, the Creationists will be surprised to hear it, but evolution is amazingly conservative. Because we're all humans and share the same biological architecture, knowing about a person's life history allows a doc to know a whole lot about that person's biology - even if the doc's never seen (much less bribed) the person.
What do we know about the person who walks around with Sen McCain's brain inside his body?
Well, we know gender. Sen McCain's a male (this week's NYT has more details).
We know age. At 71, Sen McCain is just beginning his eight decade. Were he to gain office, he'd end a first term at 76. Were he to serve out a second term, he'd have started his ninth decade before leaving office.
We know medical history: Sen McCain was diagnosed with melanoma in 1993. After treatment for the intial diagnosis, the melanoma returned two more times (2000 and 2002). Fortunately for the Senator, he (and his colleagues) all enjoy access to excellent medical care. So we also know Sen McCain has undergone three bouts of treatment for melanoma.
We know some aspects of occupational history. As a naval aviator, Sen McCain was regularly exposed to neurotoxic solvents and fuels. As a POW, Sen McCain was the victim of torture. Sen McCain has constant functional limitations from the torture (he cannot lift his arms above his head). According to his publicly released medical records, Sen McCain also has chronic pain resulting from numerous fractures; his captors when he was a POW did not provide adequate care, and the fractures did not heal properly.
The last two aspects of Sen McCain's documented medical history mean that Sen McCain's body and therefore his mind are confronted by reminders of his imprisonment and torture at least daily - and very possibly several times daily.
Like all Prez candidates, Sen McCain gets a lot of atttention. Multiple published observations describe Sen McCain as possessing/demonstrating:
- a) affective lability (medicalese for widely varying moods)
- b) poor impulse control (medicalese for adults with a penchant for throwing tanturms/provoking altercations/dropping trou)
- c) repeated intrusive traumatic ideation (often refers to POW experience - describes same in [understandably] strong emotional terms.)
- d) impaired attention/concentration (reports scant comprehension of US economy despite six years in House and sixteen years in Senate).
- e) impaired judgment ( Keating Five; Vicki Iseman; early naval aviation career).
- f) frequent irritability (medicalese for "acting like an asshole")
OK - so what does all this have to do with McCain and McCain's brain?
All the above tell us about the biology of the organism we know as Senator John McCain - and therefore tell us about his brain's biology.
First question: How long might Sen McCain's body live?
Senators have the best health care in the US - but even their docs haven't figured to a way to keep the Senators' brains going when their bodies give out. The presence of a functioning body being a prerequisite for healthy brain function, what do we know about how long the Senator's bod will be around?
Well, according to the Social Security's 2007 Life Table, the average 72 year old male has a life expectancy of 11.74 years. This means that - of the 66,000 72 year-old men in the SSA's data base - the average man of Sen McCain's age next January would be around almost twelve more years.
Second question: Does Senator McCain have an average body?
Nope. Because he's a Senator, he has access to health care most laypeople have never heard of - and most docs could only dream of providing. So the Senator's 72 year-old body will be far better cared for than the average 72 year old.
So that's the good news for the Senator. The not-so good news?
Even a casual Wiki reading reveals the Senator's body has seen some pretty rough times. He was a boxer despite the fact he lacked skills and as he stated "didn't have a reverse gear". He's a cancer survivor - and a survivor of two recurrences. By his own admission, he was pretty hard on that body: "I generally misused my health and youth". As a young man and officer, his reputation for hard partying and hard living was prodgious: "being on liberty with John McCain was like being in a train wreck."
Third question: Does Senator McCain Have an Average Brain?
Sadly, what may be desirable in young naval aviators doth not make for brain health. Repeated head injuries in boxing (especially in non-proficient boxers) predispose these boxers to brain disease later in life. Binge drinking and chronic heavy alcohol use also decrease brain function in later life. Depending on the treatment regimen, both chemo and radiation used to treat cancer may also lead to permanent cognitive impairment.
And - sadly - torture can also predispose victims to brain disease. The resulting impairments can take the form of psychiatric disease (especially PTSD), cognitive impairments, or both. The experience of being a POW has - in WWII POW's - also been shown to be associated with neuropsychiatric impairment (although the same study found the difference between POWs and non-POW's from the same combat theatre was realtively small).
Among 15 broad categories of diagnosis, differences were confined to gastrointestinal disorders (POWs 63% vs non-POWs 49%, P = .032), musculoskeletal disorders (POWs 76% vs non-POWs 60%, P = .011), and cognitive disorders (excluding head injury, dementia, and stroke) (POWs 31% vs non-POWs 15%, P = .006). Of the 36 signs in the neurology of aging examination, POWs had a significantly higher proportion of seven extrapyramidal signs and six signs relating to ataxia.
- J Am Geriatr Soc. 1999 Jan;47(1):60-4.
Sadly but not unexpectedly, after his release from captivity Sen McCain reported the recturrent intrusive memories which are essential symptoms in PTSD:
According to the records, McCain has said that immediately after his release from military prison in Hanoi there were "times when very realistic or frightening memories" came back to him. But McCain "can successfully put these memories out of his mind," the medical records said.
Sadly for Sen McCain and all veterans who were traumatized, the fact that traumatic symptoms fade after POW's release does not protect them against PTSD. A four year study of WWII and Korean War vets published in 2001 found:
symptoms were highest shortly after the war, declined for several decades, and increased within the past two decades. [snip] CONCLUSIONS: Both longitudinal and retrospective data support a PTSD symptom pattern of immediate onset and gradual decline, followed by increasing PTSD symptom levels among older survivors of remote trauma. Am J Psychiatry. 2001 Sep;158(9):1474-9
And just what makes the diagnosis of PTSD? Here are the current diagnostic criteria:
A. The person has been exposed to a traumatic event in which both of the following have been present:
(1) the person experienced, witnessed, or was confronted with an event or events that involved actual or threatened death or serious injury, or a threat to the physical integrity of self or others
(2) the person's response involved intense fear, helplessness, or horror. Note: In children, this may be expressed instead by disorganized or agitated behavior.B. The traumatic event is persistently reexperienced in one (or more) of the following ways:
(1) recurrent and intrusive distressing recollections of the event, including images, thoughts, or perceptions. Note: In young children, repetitive play may occur in which themes or aspects of the trauma are expressed.
(2) recurrent distressing dreams of the event. Note: In children, there may be frightening dreams without recognizable content.
(3) acting or feeling as if the traumatic event were recurring (includes a sense of reliving the experience, illusions, hallucinations, and dissociative flashback episodes, including those that occur upon awakening or when intoxicated). Note: In young children, trauma-specific reenactment may occur.
(4) intense psychological distress at exposure to internal or external cues that symbolize or resemble an aspect of the traumatic event.
(5) physiological reactivity on exposure to internal or external cues that symbolize or resemble an aspect of the traumatic eventC. Persistent avoidance of stimuli associated with the trauma and numbing of general responsiveness (not present before the trauma), as indicated by three (or more) of the following:
(1) efforts to avoid thoughts, feelings, or conversations associated with the trauma
(2) efforts to avoid activities, places, or people that arouse recollections of the trauma
(3) inability to recall an important aspect of the trauma
(4) markedly diminished interest or participation in significant activities
(5) feeling of detachment or estrangement from others
(6) restricted range of affect (e.g., unable to have loving feelings)
(7) sense of a foreshortened future (e.g., does not expect to have a career, marriage, children, or a normal life span)D. Persistent symptoms of increased arousal (not present before the trauma), as indicated by two (or more) of the following:
(1) difficulty falling or staying asleep
(2) irritability or outbursts of anger
(3) difficulty concentrating
(4) hypervigilance
(5) exaggerated startle responseE. Duration of the disturbance (symptoms in Criteria B, C, and D) is more than one month.
F. The disturbance causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
Am I saying that Sen McCain meets diagnostic criteria for PTSD? I'm not, because I honestly don't know - some of the diagnostic criteris require direct knowledge of the Senator's direct inner experience.
What I am saying in this post is that Sen McCain's life history indicates that his brain is at greater than average risk of dysfunction and impairment in the following areas:
- capacity to learn, recall, and reason with complex new information
- judgement and impulse control
- capacity to devote sustained attention.
Sen McCain - like all victims of trauma and torture - is entitled to absolute privacy regardiing his personal medical history. We as American citizens, however, are entitled to all possible information about the men and women who choose to ask act us to select them as president.
At the very least, Sen McCain's history raises many questions about the presence of objectively determinable disruption in neuropsychiatric function. He and his camapign have been forthcoming with his medical records in the past; his brain history strongly suggests that obtaining and releasing the results of current neuropsychiatric testing, imaging studies (perhaps including functional MRI and or auditory evoked potential findings) and other relevant assessments would be required in order to conclude that Sen McCain would bring to the Oval Office a brain functioning sufficiently well to serve as the second President of the 21st Century.
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kirk, you’re gonna LOVE this story
mccain actually prepped the
blackwater!shoot, my strike tag missed
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the brownshirtsblackwater for the congressional hearingsanyway, here is the link
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But do you really want a brain like McCain running our country??? NOT
This is a great topic. I’ve wondered about the effects of heart bypass surgery on some other politicians, like Cheney, but I really hadn’t thought about the various insults to the brain that McCain has suffered.
McCain’s brain forgets that once upon a time he was in a wee bit of trouble with the law and lobbyists… remember Charlie Keating, senator? Never gotten “into bed” with a lobbyist? Ahem.. some of St Ronnies alzheimers rub off on you too?
it was posted too early and pulled
I think it’s safe to say that John McCain if he should become our next president will be the first president to be sedated on his first day to protect the nation. It took a few years for George Bush. See?
I knew that… just a time warp thingy!!
wow Kirk, this is a post to read and reread. thanks!
Hi, Kirk, all.
I gotta admit, I am a little troubled by this kind of “diagnosis at a distance” game.
I’m not saying I don’t think McCain is an angry militaristic nut whose anger at his captors and torturers probably plays an important animating role that is relevant to his performance as President. But it seems a little much for a physician to attempt a medical diagnosis of a public figure he has never met, let alone examined.
Yes great post Kirk! Nothing like a clinical view of things as they really are with McCain’s brain….
I remember a family story of a friend of the grandparents, a physician, listening to FDR on the radio in the waning days of WW2 and saying, “That man’s had a stroke.” That, in the days when the press did not report on the health or extracurricular activities of politicians.
So when I heard a McCain soundbite on the car radio tonight while driving home, and heard the wheeze in his voice, at the beginning of each major phrase, I wondered: Does he have respiratory problems? Incipient cancer? A failing heart?
Dunno. But I do think the nation needs to know his medical condition sooner rather than later.
Thanks, Margot.
For a shrink (well,this shrink) this is a challenging topic to write about. I so honor the experience (and suffering) of all torture survivors; as a trauma psychiatrist, I never want to pathologize trauma survivors.
Yet as a physician, I don’t want any more trauma/torture victims on our sorry planet. Eight years of Bush have shown me that the Chief Executive’s mental health has profound implications for all of us.
I’m hoping my post is respectful of Sen McCain as an individul while provoking serious discussion about his intellectual/emotional funciton and his capacity for self-control. I’d only presume to ask such questions of someone running for high elected office.
(as best as I can tell, neither of the other Senators running for PRez have revealed any life or medical history to suggest their brains are remarkable in the meidcial sense.
and believe me, in the medical world a “remarkable” brain biology is nothing to be desired.)
Actually, I had the opposite reaction. I thought kirk did a good job of avoiding the Fristian “I diagnose via video” traps. For instance:
This isn’t a diagnosis — it’s a statement of general medical information, laid next to the generally available information on McCain and his background.
But, Physio, it’s not a misdiagnosis to say he’s an *sshole…! Would it…? ;-)
Halfway through this post (so far). Thanks for the laughs, Kirk.
If having a brain was a requirement for being President, we would never have had George Bush.
Great informative post, Kirk! Might strike a bit too close to home for comfort, though…
It must be grand not to have to deal with the VA like regular veterans, if McCain had to interface with the system that we in the rank & file used, he would undoubtedly be in no condition to run for any office.
I think you’re confusing the presence of an organ with its efficient functioning! (Even Mrs Schaivo had a brain all those years).
FunnyD
Speculation beyond the evidence.
;>)
so true, and it was obvious he didn’t have a brain in 2000 (and before)
Brain injury would explain McCain’s curious choice to turn his back on his own military service in order to become a Bush toady.
Physio Prof, the post is long, and I don’t expect that everyone has had the time to read all 2000+ words.
In most of the post, I discuss known biological risk factors for McCain’s brain.
In the close of the post, I explicitly state I don’t know whether McCain’s brain meets PTSD criteria.
While I do make observations about behaviors and symptoms consistent with known causes of CNS dysfunction, I don’t make any diagnosis in the post.
I do raise questions about the effect of known risk factors for cerebral dysfunction (like boxing) - those questions do not (and should not) require a direct doctor paitinet relationship for public discussion.
Moreover, given the absolute and sacred requirement for patient confidentiality, I’m not persuaded that pshysicans with a direct patient relationship can (or should) be asked to convety such questions about their patients to the public at large.
Havig said that - heck - I’m from L! I was (and am) gorssed out by mD”s especially shrinks who run to proffer diiagnoses of cleebrities. In that respect, I share the concenrs you set forth.
er - I’m from LA, not “L”.
Jebus - can’t type for beans.
that or blackmail
McCain´s brain forgets to tell him he is married.
Yeah, well…
Guess nobody’s brain is perfect!
;-)
Perhaps we should call in the world’s leading expert on remote brain diagnostics, Dr. Bill Frist, to give an opinion on McCain’s brain.
This line of inquiry, while well-intended, is likely to backfire. It’s too easy to distort the message to sound like Karl Rove’s infamous 2000 whispering campaign: they said he’d gone insane from the torture (along with the part about the illegitimate black child).
It suffices to beat him up for “100 years of war” and “bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran”.
With Renzi indicted how’s your delegation doing?
John McCain could very well be another Ronnie Reagan. Scary. I can see McCain one day playing around with The Phone calling in the nuclear codes thinking he’s ordering cheeseburgers!
At least McCain has a brain. Bush’s brain is now a political pundit on Fox news.
with VP Jeb Bush whispering “just die, old man” from a room just off the oval office.
but then I read on, and it’s sad.
I’m with PhysioProf on this. I distinctly remember some outrage about someone else’s (Frist?) tendency to commit long-distance diagnosis.
I would have more sympathy for your thoughts about non-specialists prescribing psychotropic medication if there were enough specialists to go around and if more people could afford them. But there aren’t and they can’t.
McCain is one helluva soldier.
David Schuster is on Hardball!!!
(part way through your fantastic article, Kirk)
I don’t see this as an attempt to diagnose. More like a state of the brain general address. The premise is, we cannot escape our biology.
I think Renzi´s seat might go Dem but I am not in his district. If other seats stay the same it would be a 5 to 3 Dem advantage.
bite your tongue
I would agree although speculation can be fun. The only medical facts we have on McCain are that he is a 71 year old white male with a history of recurrent melanoma and chronic pain secondary to wartime trauma and torture. His current psych history is a blank because we don’t know it. He has a past history of intrusive ideation consistent with PTSD but there was probably never a diagnosis. He also has a past history of alcohol abuse.
I am sure you could include anger and being a serial adulterer on a social axis if they are still using those but I don’t know what that is indicative of medically. Politically it means his judgment is suspect and has trust issues.
My diagnosis: Senex iratus, amator belli, and certainly anus ingentis.
It’s odd that a thorough medical and psychological exam is not a prerequisitge for running for President. They do physical exams for ball players, why not presidents? As for the post, I thought it informative, fair and balanced, by no means diagnosing from a distance. The point we don’t get swifter as we age is a good one.
Kirk, do we know anything about John McCain’s alcohol history? That can have profound effects later in life.
My son has to go to the ER to be prescribed Neurotonin, his Psychiatrist refuses to prescribe it, and we have no pediatric neurologists on Island…
My sense is that Mc is over the hill. He is not capable of 100% of normal brain functioning simply because of his age.
He doesn’t seem to be playing with a full deck and the strategy may be to get him on the top spot and let him die in office to be replaced by the next manchurian candidate.
A war veteran who survived torture? Sounds good doesn’t it? Trouble is that this does not qualify anyone for that tough job. He’s dumb too. Never seen any evidence of a sharp mind in him.
Cool, AZ will turn bluer! 8-)
Kirk - This is terrific. Thank you. I’ve been concerned about his history affecting his mind.
Did McCain have chemotherapy? I’ve dealt with this in our family and there is such a thing as “chemo brain”. Kaiser is doing a research on this now - or at least some of their med team are part of a research.
He speaks too slow of loses his temper. He’s unbalanced. Pack it Johnnie boy.
I am curious about those concerned about discussions of national leaders’ brain function (by physicians not treating the patient) believe such discussions would ideally be conducted.
The treating physicians - even when supposedly released by the White House or the candidate - have been found to systematically skew and minimize medical info putting their patient the candidate (or the President) in a less than favorable light.
This occured with Reagan’s GSW, Pres Wilson’s (IIRC) stroke. This is clearly occuring now with Shrub’s apparent (and widely noted) psych/substance use symptoms.
So the docs with direct patient access don’t. If docs like myself - without direct patient access - don’t raise and discuss these question, could someone please help me undestand which docs are left to carry out the task?
We know that Sen McCain drank to the point of excess as a naval cadet and young officer.
We also know that - as a competitive boxer lacking skill and a reverse gear - he was at rsik of multiple CNS injuries from these activites.
BTW I just saw Shields and Brooks on the NewsHour weekly roundup. Not to worry everything is fine with McCain. Brooks who breathes talking points and Shields who gets so giddy over McCain that he practically pees in his pants at the mention of his name just said so. The myth of saint McCain lives on.
Reading your list on what happens when one has been tortured, I can’t help but think of the upcoming trials of “the worst of the worst”. Hope they can get this kind of info out to the jury. Oh wait? No jury???
Great post, Kirk.
What are we doing with another thread up so soon? This is a critical subject.
with VP Jeb Bush whispering “just die, old man” from a room just off the oval office.
All the Republicans are pretending that George Bush doesn’t exist. There’s no way they put the name “Bush” on the ticket.
I have no trouble discussing behaviours/actions/characteristics that may affect an individual’s ability to function in office. I have no problem tracking the severity of the symptoms. Are they getting worse? better?
I do have problems attaching a diagnosis to it.
Are we right to be concerned about McCain’s fitness for office? You bet.
ekunin, I share your mystification: we get to see the Prez’ gallbladder scars and hear what’s happening on their gut walls, but we aren’t given any meaningful assessment of their CNS function or capacity.
Even Shrub doens’t think with his intestines or gall bladder (though it often may seem so)
True. Is there ever a repost? This needs to be digested.
JFK had Addison’s which supposedly incapacitated him for long periods. We can’t depend on the President’s doctors or the VA. Appellate Courts when they need judges choose from District Court judges on a revolving basis. Perhaps we can use Medical School professors on a revolving basis.
Great article, Kirk, and plenty of food for thought. I don’t see it as a Fristian VideoDiagnosis™, but as questions raised that need to be considered about someone who is, as you say, asking us to vote him the ‘Leader of the Free World’. When you put yourself in that position, the people have a right to know, becuase you will be responsible for events that affect all of their lives. You are no longer a ‘private citizen’ in that sense.
The new post was pulled…good!
Just because someone is 71, it is not a disqualifier imo. My dad is 79, and golfs three times a week, follows the news in detail, and remembers far more than anyone I know.
Bush has always shown instability and ineptness. There is no way he could handle the position of president. I would here people say he is an ordinary person. Ordinary? How? I need some smart clear thinker in that position who has integrity and character.
Medical coverage in the media generally sucks. It is usually absent, inconsistent, or just wrong.
Not a disqualifier but a concern. The stress of the Presidency tends to age even healthy individuals prematurely.
I do not believe that those questionning Kirk’s outstanding essay have actually read the complete post. With humor, metaphor and keen understanding he instructs us all about ourselves and then McCain given his life/medical history. Read it!
LMAO! I could see that happening too. ;-)
Agreed.
which we can see in the photographic record, of this president and the ones before him
I agree. It isn’t just the chronological years it’s what happened to the brain along the way. If an alcoholic or snorted the person has brain damage. Medications can have terrible side effects that are long lasting. There is disease that can impair the brain.
I figure someone in that age range of experience and still young enough to handle stress has the best odds, especially if they managed to avoid trauma to the brain.
Fern, as pointed out above, this post doesn’t attach a diagnosis (or diagnoses). This post does riase questions about whether a diagnosis (or diagnoses) may be present.
In medicine - especially in discussions of CNS function - merely considering a set of symptoms without reference to any diagnoses would be a bizzare undertaking.
Considerations of neuropathology/disrupted neurological function imply a diagnosis (or diagnoses) as soon as mechanisms come into discussion. The fancy medical name for senility from boxing, for instance, is dementia puglisitca. This is merely a fancy way of saying “brain don’t work good from fighting.”
To reiterate: this post raises questions about the effect of known biological history upon John McCain’s brain.
The stated desire to have such discussions without reference to diagnoses fascinates me, yet wholly fails to persuade me.
Could those who are asking for g for such limits on raising questions about the executive function of the very public figures who choose the public scrutiny inherent in campaiging to be Chief Executive enlighten the rest of us about the basis for this desire -a s well as describing how the discussions of medical questions could be conducted without refence to known diagnoses?
Inquiring clinicans (this one, at any rate) would love to know.
untreated high blood pressure’s another
My parents did not start to lose it until they were 83 years old. Unnoticeable at first, it started to get bad after three years.
Still, I think McCain is not all there.
You dad is the exception, McVain is over the hill for many reasons. And he strikes me as not intelligent on top of it all.
He does have the chops. He lakes critical thinking skills not to mention not knowing where he stands and has NO moral compass.
i’m not sure even the google monkeys can help me with this one.
an old man who irrationally opposes young (romantic?) love but loves war and is a big asshole?
Hugh I cerainly agree that media coverage of biomedical and health issues sucks.
However, my point is that the candidates/Presidents’ physicians don’t fully reveal relevant biological info about their patients in real time. Although the media typically mangle the data after release, the docs fail to release complete info in the first place.
So - sucky as the media are - as the candidates’ docs don’t release this material…
We’re left with the universe of docs who aren’t treating any candidates.
If all us other docs collude in remaining silent about these questions (if docs like me don’t write posts that even our respected commentators find troubling)
How then would you suggest these questions about the Prez candidates’ risks for medical questions which can affect judgement, memory and impuluse control be raised for the public?
I would prefer to see us discuss instances in which McCain has demonstrated poor judgment, poor memory, and poor impulse control–of which there are many–than to speculate about the organic condition of his nervous system.
From the post:
OK; I guess I don’t get the distinction you’re making here. I think that I think that because of the power vested in POTUS to wage unholy hell and potentially wipe out life on earth, there is every need to know the biological makeup of every presidential candidate during the voting public’s decision-making process.
i’m pretty sure i disagree… although i haven’t given it much thought and might change my mind if i did.
there’s a difference between privacy and secrecy.
Should we force the candidates to allow their genomes to be sequenced, and the sequences published? This would allow the public to identify all sorts of genetic variants that would predispose a candidate for a variety of somatic, neurological, and psychiatric disorders.
If all us other docs collude in remaining silent about these questions (if docs like me don’t write posts that even our respected commentators find troubling)
BRAVO! Please keep this up, Kirk. We need to ask questions.
Possibly. Why not?
LooHoo, I’m glad for you - the same is true of my dad (who is finally retiriing by selling his thriving business - in his early eighties) and my vibrant mom (in her late seventies).
When I sat on recipient selection committees for organ transplant teams, some of my colleagues were most frustrated when I’d continuall bring up the ADA and point out that we were legally forbidden from simply using age as a selection criteria: some 80 year olds have the bodies of the average 60 year old; some 60 year olds have the biology of 90 year old.
I completely agree that - in a specific individaul - their birth year may be far less useful assessment criteria than are cross-sectional measurmeents of biological capacity.
(BTW, I also thought using age as a cut-off criteria for any medical service was hideously immoral and hence unethical. However, the docs who creepy enough to speak those sentiments aloud clearly could not be deterred by ethical concerns.
ADA sure shut ‘em up.
ANd then we had to assess - case by case - which elder patients were (and which were not) likely to survive the surgery and the anti-rejection drugs.
Just as we should do for any patient.)
no. definitely not.
Angry old man, war lover, giant asshole.
Although I’d give a lot more for a good psychiatric evaluation of the candidates. And the present occupant of the Oval Office and his backup man. How about you?
If you applied for a job manning the control panel of a nuclear power plant, would you be happy to provide your entire genome sequence to the employer as part of the job screening process?
Behind, that’s a good question - I’m sorry I failed to make the distinction. I recognize the absolute right to privacy right up to the point that person decides to seek Federal election (or Federal judicial nomination).
that’s better than the google monkeys. my curiosity is satisfied, thank you.
Since flawed performance of that job would pose a risk to a much smaller fraction of the earth, I might allow inspection of a much smaller portion of my being, say, a few psych tests, some eye tests, some personal history. If I were going to be elected to the position, I might think it fair that the people who had to decide on my fitness for the position actually had the information they needed to make an informed decision.
There is no competency test for president. It looks to me that McVain is not suited to the job for many reasons, a rotting body and brain is just one that will not be discussed.
i think i’m with PhysioProf on this one.
do you think we also have the right to know personal information about the quality and stability of a candidate’s primary relationships? that can also have a bearing on their ability to focus on the job they have to do.
the fact of the matter, imo, is that we rightly depend on secondary clues for all of this - how well do they do the job their doing now (for example as senator), how well to they cope with the rigors of the campaign? that, imo, are not only the best, but also the appropriate ways for us to judge a candidate’s fitness.