Is anyone else getting deja vu? Remember back in 2004, when 60 Minutes II aired a well-researched report about President Bush's dodgy National Guard service (or lack thereof)... which had one non-essential (but prominent) element which could not be verified?
In a remarkably well-coordinated swarm, the wingnuts blasted away at the authenticity of the poorly-vetted Killian memos until CBS backed down, threw Dan Rather under the bus, and no-one was ever allowed to speak of Bush's National Guard service ever again. He was immunized.
Well, here we are four years later, and the New York Times publishes a well-researched story about McCain's involvement in the Keating 5 scandal and his too-cozy relationships with lobbyists... including one young female lobbyist whose exact relationship to McCain is inconclusive, but who is nevertheless the centerpiece of the story.
Predictably, the conservative response is that there's no proof that McCain had an affair, and it's all innuendo based on anonymous sources. Yes, it's true that there's no proof of an affair, but the NYT never claimed that there was an affair, merely that McCain's aides were spooked by the appearance of impropriety.
The sources weren't all anonymous, either. "Former top strategist and now... informal campaign adviser" John Weaver states on the record that he personally told Iseman to stay away from McCain prior to his 2000 presidential run. And there's nothing shaky at all about McCain's participation in the Keating 5 scandal, or his corporate jet rides, or the letters he wrote to the FCC for Iseman's clients, or the fact that he has a lobbyist running his Senate office, another running his campaign, and at least one more advising it.
Still, the pushback strategy is clear: Just as they did with the Bush National Guard story, conservatives believe that if they destroy this one wobbly bit (L'affaire Iseman), the rest of the story will collapse with it, and no-one will ever be allowed to speak of McCain's coziness with lobbyists ever again. He will be immunized.
Fortunately, McCain is doing all he can to ensure that the Dan Rather gambit fails. Not only did he get caught lying about the FCC letters, but he appears to be staking his own credibility and integrity on that of his lobbyist advisers:
McCain... defended having lobbyists working for his campaign....
"These people have honorable records, and they're honorable people, and I'm proud to have them as part of my team," McCain told reporters following a town hall meeting in Indianapolis.
McCain practically begs the media to look into just how honorable his BFFs are. Kinda like when Gary Hart invited reporters to follow him around for a while, and we know how that turned out. Good thing for McCain that he gets along so well with the media, right?
Before McCain boarded his plane, reporters were asked to sit farther back than usual.... McCain... failed to offer his usual wave at reporters and opted to quickly take his seat. During the flight, the cabin was unusually quiet.... Near the end of the flight, [McCain aide Steve] Schmidt came back to the press cabin, where, with cameras off, he railed against the New York Times for publishing its story.
Smoooth. This is probably just a momentary glitch, and McCain's real love affair, the one with the media, will resume shortly. But if it doesn't, and the media stop bathing him in a Straight-Talking Maverick glow, McCain will be revealed as just another angry, corrupt old Republican who likes torture, war, and unlimited executive power. Good luck with that.
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did ya see chumpy hangin on to McVain at Huffpo?
*sigh*
Hi Eli!
Nooo. Was this from before or after this story broke?
true love,and hi Eli
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Hi, Elliott!
Hi! Wow, that’s all kind of creepy. Dubya really has a thing for inappropriately possessive body language.
(And this is spoken by someone who is spectacularly oblivious to body language)
Please keep it up. Big earmarks story on Moyers. Coincidence?
Heh. I was expecting all the comments to be, “Ohjeez, not *another* McCain post”…
i kinda have a theme song for them ,hope you like it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
(In my defense, this is my first post since the story broke, so I’ve been chomping at the bit for a while now.)
Not “Who’s Johnny?”
2 part harmony
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Ivory… and ivory…
Editorial in the local paper which endorsed McCain in tne primary saying hsi actions don’t match his rhetoric. If we beat this particular story to death, people will get sick of it. But this should be a recurring theme from now until election day.
hahahahahahahahaha,you funny
and then there is this
oh my…….
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This story is an opening for the dem nominee to attack McBush where he pretends to live- honor. If the straight talk expresser ain’t straight- well then he’s NOTHING.
If McCain *really* wants to get him some good Bush lovin’, he should shave his head. Dubya has a freaky thing for bulletheads.
What my friend? It’s an honorable post. I look forward to more.
eli - i wasn’t comfortable with the nyt story either. it wasn’t just wingnuts.
EXACTLY. It’s his whole appeal. If he’s exposed as Just Another Republican, he’s toast.
I’m satisfied with the post, I was just a little worried that there might be McCain fatigue by now.
Snuggles McCain.
Time to uncover every piece of business McBush has conducted with a lobbyist for the past twenty years or so- monkey business or otherwise- and cram it down his throat.
Well, my point is that “Did McCain have an affair with a lobbyist OMG?” is not the sum total of that story. You can take that piece of it completely out and it’s *still* pretty damning. But what the Republicans want to do is use that piece to invalidate the whole thing, including the legitimately, unquestionably damning parts.
mccain fatigue, yes.
eli fatigue, no.
The NYT story was a story about doin favors for a lobbyist- who happened to be an attractive woman 30 years younger than McBush. Did they have sex? Who knows, but he DID do favors for this woman and her clients that were inappropriate. Was it for money, sex, or power? Beats me. Does it matter?
Aw, shucks. You’re too kind.
Anyway, I’ve had McCain on the brain since it broke and I *had* to get it out of my system. I don’t think I could have written about anything else, except maybe a quickie asking whether Katherine Harris would be allowed conjugal visits with Rick Renzi…
he is very much like his pal chumpy….cept he married the money…he does not seem to be the sharpest ice pick in the toolbox
OT. Patty Murry is being crucified for earmarks and putting really major crap into the congressional budget for campaign gifts right now on PBS. Man it looks like she is the worst.
Yes; he was in bed with her figuratively, it doesn’t really matter whether he was there literally too.
just a drive by…
Rather
Shuster
and now NYT
seems like the journalists get swiftboated now…
I disagree with Greenwald’s take on this story (”It shouldn’t have been published, at least not in that form”). It’s perfectly appropriate to report this stuff - even if it is unclear what happened - because it comes from such an important close adviser.
Can you imagine having this info and NOT publishing it? What would we think of the Times then? We’d all be outraged.
Great work Eli, thanks.
Limbaugh, conveniently omitted that Drudge published most of this in December. Pills then went on to say that he hoped St. John would learn his lesson, about the New York Times and “who his friends are.“
I hope the New York Times learned their lesson too, about who their friends are.
i think the damning part was mccain’s response to the article.
here’s glenn take (which makes sense to me):
People Will Say We’re in Love
That’s it in a nutshell.
“It’s the corruption, stupid.”
ah, well.
He is probably dumber than Bush according to a gooper I know who has worked with him—it was no accident that he barely got out of Annapolis 6th worst academic record in his class.
Why do the goopers always give us dumbies?
More easily manipulated?
i better call it a night. i’m way over my quota for pissing people off this week.
later pups.
and in fact, we have flips in mccains votes that miraculously favor this women
this is not a sex thing, it’s a bribery thing, mccain is selling our law, he’s taking law from you and me and selling it for a few thousand bucks to mega industry
Absolutely not.
This is about the fire sale of American government. To mix metaphors the Vichy Democrats are almost as deeply in bed with K Street as the Republicans. Vicki and St. John are simply the metaphor.
Could be- but there hasn’t been a gooper with a brain in the White House since Nixon.
Nobody is talking about whether McCain is the final nominee. Any chance Huck could gain the vote? Any chance the Mitt will come back in? Either I’m stupid and missing a huge piece of news, or nobody is addressing this.
How do you know that all this is true about McBush?
He is a politician from Arizona… On the day Renzi indicted on 35 counts which if you review the RICO laws…. that one should be thrown in too… On the day that former Gov Mecham died who was impeached in 1988… Where Rep Colbe who was implicated in the Mark Foley Congressional Page scandal… JD Hayworth and Shadegg and then there is Gov Fife Symington who was convicted of fraud and had to resign.
Yep…. great bunch of folks these AZ Repug ….
I don’t see any way McCain can lose the nomination unless his delegates revolt.
And my first thoughts from reading the first couple of graphs here has to do with what 60 min. is planning on showing this coming Sun. I sure hope that both they and we will be ready to push back hard against the wingnut fury that is sure to be unleashed.
In a report published Monday, the Lovenstein Institute of Scranton, Pennsylvania detailed its findings of a four month study of the intelligence quotient of President George W. Bush. Since 1973, the Lovenstein Institute has published it’s research to the education community on each new president, which includes the famous “IQ” report among others.
According to statements in the report, there have been twelve presidents over the past 50 years, from F. D. Roosevelt to G. W. Bush who were all rated based on scholarly achievements, writings that they alone produced without aid of staff, their ability to speak with clarity, and several other psychological factors which were then scored in the Swanson/Crain system of intelligence ranking.
The study determined the following IQs of each president as accurate to within five percentage points:
147 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
132 Harry Truman (D)
122 Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
174 John F. Kennedy (D)
126 Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
155 Richard M. Nixon (R)
121 Gerald Ford (R)
175 James E. Carter (D)
105 Ronald Reagan (R)
098 George HW Bush (R)
182 William J. Clinton (D)
091 George W. Bush (R)
The six Republican presidents of the past 50 years had an average IQ of 115.5, with President Nixon having the highest IQ, at 155.
President G. W. Bush was rated the lowest of all the Republicans with an IQ
of 91. The six Democrat presidents had IQs with an average of 156, with
President Clinton having the highest IQ, at 182. President Lyndon B.
Johnson was rated the lowest of all the Democrats with an IQ of 126.
No president other than Carter (D) has released his actual IQ, 176.
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh gawwwwwwwwwd,those 2 killed off every brain cell they were born with before they hit 25
On the other hand, I guess there might be a scenario where Romney gets back in the race and sweeps the remaining primaries. The fact that the Republican primaries are winner-take-all would be a big help there, but I still think it’s a pretty slim chance.
yup and for no fukkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkin reason what so ever gasoline is up 25% here in 2 weeks
Think there was trouble at a refinery.
It could also be a function of the Republican primaries, that maybe Republicans don’t like voting for know-it-all college boys.
rwcole said:
The NYT story was a story about doin favors for a lobbyist- who happened to be an attractive woman 30 years younger than McBush. Did they have sex? Who knows, but he DID do favors for this woman and her clients that were inappropriate. Was it for money, sex, or power? Beats me. Does it matter?
The U PA law professor who was early on on MSNBC called it an article about “moral hubris.” That would cover power, corruption, cozy-crony relationships.
We Sunshines have dubbed it “Old Goatitis.” Not a flattering image of one used to preening like a peacock. [yes, I did consider that metaphor]
That’s a pretty good guess.
I have to say this is a rare moment where I disagree with Glenn.
The story — well documented by the NYT I think — is that the McCain team was worried that a lobbyist (who happened to be a woman McCain was taking to events and riding on planes with) was running around DC saying that she could influence McCain. In fact, there was evidence that she had done so (Paxson letters). They were worried this story could damage his “straight talk” campaign, enough so that they attempted to block her from seeing him.
People read that and decided it was a sex story and criticized it because it didn’t have good sourcing on their relationship. I don’t think that is the story, but it’s definitely an inference that people are going to make given the way his staff responded in the aftermath.
wow Poppy 105…apple not far from said rotten tree
The forkers are still refining the best way to continue the looting of the treasury.
“I did not peddle influence for that woman.”
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,guess Darth had Blackwater do a little industrial espionage
So…interesting timing on the NYT article again.
I’m thinking the NYT put out just a little bit, and is giving McCain a chance to own up and shut up. He won’t, of course, and soon the Times puts more…and more…
Like little kids. You want to make this more difficult?…
oh my bad Poppy only had 98,Saint Ronnie was 105…on his best 2days put together,perhaps
I strongly agree with Greenwald and have been saying since the story broke that it really pisses me off. It was extremely irresponsible. The sex angle should have been completely removed. It’s National Enquirer level garbage that overshadowed the corruption angle.
Oh, I hope so. Josh Marshall thinks they have more:
sadly that’s the way my spouse saw/read it and he’s pretty smart. It’s going to take more work for us all to point to the real story and that won’t go mainstream unless the MSM looks beyond their fascination with all things “moral” meaning bedroom and fleshes out the real story so that joe sixpack can get it.
You can tell the Bushes are dumb as fence posts. I am not surprised by the study.
that would be just incredibly stooooooooooooopit
Yeah, I’m not sure I buy all of those. I really don’t think Poppy is *stupid*, and 98 is below average by definition. Hell, I think even Dubya isn’t completely stupid - just not nearly smart enough to be president.
OMG. 91 sounds like an absolutely correct IQ for W. He can function minimally, but only with help from loyals on academic issues.
He doesn’t show a sense of appropriate social behavior. He doesn’t keep up on US or world affairs, as far as I can tell. No curiosity…
Fits.
I still find a lot of the public reading the wrong part of this story and disregarding it entirely.
What I think is happening, is that this NYTimes piece is being analyzed by others, or soundbited, or responded by McCain staff on only this selected piece. The entire focus (not from NYTimes, but from others looking at this article) is on the alleged affair.
I understand that a lot of people are somewhat upset about these things happening at election time, because they seem so manufactured, or, like this story was just -waiting- until the perfect time to be ‘released’. To those who don’t have time to get buried in the details, it looks like a well timed political attack, and people are sick of that sort of thing these days. Therefore, they disregard the entire story as a sham, as an attack. And McCain and his staff do the same. CNN had a poll a coupla days on their website along the lines of ‘Is the NYTimes article about McCain good journalism, or a smear?’ 70 percent of the respondants said ’smear’.
It’s regrettable, because the NYTimes article is more than this one detail. I hope the rest of this doesn’t get buried with Iseman. I’m thankful FDL and the community here is able to discuss this without falling into the same pits that others are. It helps me explain to friends and family what is actually going on. It helps me explain that John McCain is not the straight-talking maverick washington outsider his humongous PR is trying to make him out to be.
On another blog I post at, this story came up a day or so ago. Even though 70-90 percent of the posters can be identified as Democratic voters (based on support of Obama), I was stunned that everyone focused on the alleged affair, and completely dismissed McCain’s elbow-rubbing with big lobbyists. I was stunned that everyone thought it was just a nasty tactic, a smear. Just another sex affair from a politician. Just another political attack.
Sooooooo…..It’s important to get the word out there. Even democratic voters are turned off by this NYTimes article, and that is a big problem.
Regan was another dim bulb.
McVain will be there at the bottom of the list if the ever rate him.
Howie says that Cindy McCain is the one who put the ban on Iseman being around St. John. There are no doubt details of that kind (if not that one specifically) that got lawyered out of the piece that might make it a little more — dare I say? — fleshed out.
Seems like she would understand this modus operandi
W sadly has few neurons left from cocaine coupled with alcohol abuse the combo creates a powerful cynergy….he is barely eeking his way about…Poppy seems just average,slow on the uptake…Prescott prolly was th eone with the brains and chutspah
There is that…
I didn’t have time or space to get into it, but one of the troubling aspects of the National Guard story is that it smelled like a setup by senior management - the same CBS exec who tried to prevent the report from airing also insisted on personally taking charge of vetting the Killian memos, and of course did an incredibly piss-poor job.
So the question is, was the NYT story designed for the same purpose? To tie legitimate issues with McCain to something questionable, thus discrediting the legit along with the dodgy?
I don’t trust the NYT a whole bunch, but I’m not sure they’re *that* devious.
That sounds right and I’ll bet Cindy didn’t mention it to St. John. She just screamed and yelled at his staff to do it.
Alas.
When speaking off the cuff, Dubya *does* tend to sound like an eight-grader trying to fake his way through a book report on something he didn’t read.
The funny thing is, he always thinks he’s gotten away with it and he’s got all of us dumb rubes fooled.
Why not, He’d be Number 5…! *g*
So, when they say Jeb’s the smart one in the family, what are they saying? IQ of 106?
If your’s didn’t break the century mark, would you release your IQ score… I truly think McCain’s is below even Shrub’s 91…!
(Henry Rollins has a funny bit about Dubya, that just before he goes off-script he cocks his head like a trained dog hearing a signal offstage. He says that when he sees that, he knows he’s going to hear something raelly spectacular.)
Henry Rollins is a seriously funny dude. TV Party is a great tune.
I was fortunate to see him live the last couple of times he was in Pittsburgh. Hilarious.
Probably groaned simultaneously! “Follow the phonetic script, damn it!” ;-)
I completely agree with you about the National Guard story. That was classic Rove. Draw CBS into Bush’s greatest weakness and then count on the fact they’d all miss the CSI moment. The date of the letter put it before the time it could have been typed on a word processor.
As far as
the straight c*ck expressthe McCain and Vicki story, are concerned NO ONE, not Democrats and not Republicans wanted the press talking about the “L” word, Lobbyists.Unfortunately, the MSM depends on all the advertising revenue from elections, so they have a vested interest in eventually dropping this. All it does is educate low information voters about the need to publicly fund elections. That would drive down advertising revenue.
The fact of the matter is, is that John McCain’s campaign is run by lobbyists. As to the possibility of him having an an affair with anybody? I really don’t give a fuck.
CNN’s top story….Hillary’s spending. Waiting to see how they report the McCain story
Or if.
Ohhhh. Juice.
OKK, did you see Coburn’s brief flirtation with reality? Sadly, it was a fleeting affair…! ;-)
Keep the McCain McStories coming as long as needed to keep the real issues in view and to pushback against the wingnuts. This is all happening in the Very Serious Village Kabuki world. So many of the rules and rituals will seem very strange to normal mortals who cook for themselves, work at real jobs, wipe their own…. But the Great High Kabuki Battle for permission to do real reporting on McCain has begun, and the outome is important, even if at times it looks like a ridiculous pile of nonsense.
Seems to be space for the immigration, global warming, Afhgan and Iraq stories in between. The stakes are very high. We have to keep this dangerous man out of the WH.
One nice thing it is demonstrating: the ridiculous double standard that has existed in the corporate press, which turns self-contradictory whirly-gigs on a dime. Heard a Very Serious Pundit roundtable on radio on…
The Grave Danger and Moral Dilemmas of Using Anonymous Sources in News Stories.
Lots of clucking and shaking of heads. Using their mighty opaque and oracular wisdom, they squeezed out the doom that they were not sure taking that great risk was justified for this particular story, therefore it had an obscure inexpressible taint, and perhaps, in some vague sense, it should not be considered too seriously.
Do Tell. Who would ever have thunk that?
Well, not to mention the fact that the media are all pretty much owned by Republicans, and/or giant corporations that benefit from Republican policies…
Notice it seems it’s always male politicians who are accused of having afairs. Are we to believe female politicians are immune to this indescretion?
Maybe they’re just better at being discreet about their indiscretions.
Oddly enough, no-one ever seems to mind when anonymous Republicans plant smears and propaganda, or out covert CIA agents…
Funny, but true.
Lahoma tells me she wants to have an affair. With me. I confess, I’m yielding to temptation.
The sex scandal is just a small part of the HYTimes article, which is about the bigger stuff about Abramoff and lobby improprieties. But ironically because this is America, sex and politics mix is combustive. So if his campaign sinks, which I still believe it will, it’ll be because of that smaller component, instead of the much more substantial one about the bankruptcy (loaded word these days, but hell) of the lobby industry and about his ties to the Abramoff labyrinth, which you need a Blackberry, Palm Pilot, or even Excel to unpack…
Aren’t there too few to have established any sort of track record…? I think there’s still huge shards left in the glass ceiling…
Josh Marshall:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/179783.php
Whoops!
Oh no, I’m not sure about that anymore. I listened to these pundits very closely. They were very grave and serious. Deep moral issues were discussed.
Sometimes it is Ok to rely on anonymous paid hacks who spew unverifiable prattle rumor and speculation. It’s all very complicated. I can’t explain it. Very deep.
That poor poor Mr. McCain. Such a nice man, fun to be with. Jokes with me an everything.
Patty Murray…*g*
It’s certainly another reason why it’s so vitally important for the Republicans to debunk it, even if it doesn’t take down the rest of the story.
I think the key to the lobbyist/corruption element will be how effectively the Democratic candidate uses it to tarnish McCain’s shining armor.
One you’d have a beer with? ;-)
Keep us posted.
interesting article from the Wasington Post where Paxson says that MCCain did in fact discuss the issue with Paxson and that it may be possible that Iseman was there. if I ate popcorn, i’d make some now
Jane:
OMG! I wrote my 102 before I read yours. Late coming to the thread (I’m working downthread)…too much fish to fry.
Is it really possible that we think alike? Scary…*g*
Katherine the Great……………………..Mules etc
Hey, I mentioned you in my post…
Dang, I did see a donkey show in TJ once…!