I won

zed

Tie!

doh!

Agree, BT.

I would have said “zed!’ but that would have been plagiarism.

Fitz!

Dems won … either of the two are far, far better than what the Repugs offer …

Hillary’s last comment was strong and that is what some will choose to remember. Maybe because of the cynic in me, I felt that it was contrived.

Betsy, glad things are better. Phone on the night stand just in cae…

The momentum has been with Obama, so something big would have had to happen to change that.

Can I quote you on that without attribution?

Ding

X – X won!

On Countdown, Congresswoman Shelia Jackson Lee saying Clinton’s health program has “saved the lives of millions of children” — um, NO.

Want to say that? Let’s see some proof.

Rachel’s on MSNBC now! Hooray!

Greetings from Austin!

The discussion between me and my sweetie is that although we would happily vote for either in the general election, Obama is the one we choose between two of them.

Really good discussion tonight.

Of course it was contrived, but it wasn’t Xeroxed.

Did you and I see the same debate????

She wound his clock!

He..meandering…platitudes…

She..focused on issues…making points

and, her finish just nailed it for her.

It was hard to pick a winner for me between Obama and Clinton, with lots of good answers back and forth between them for two hours straight — even to some less-than-stellar questions.

On the other hand, there’s Senator McCain (h/t Detroit News):

Sen. John McCain toured Ford’s Wayne Stamping and Assembly Plant on Thursday, but canceled a press conference in which he was sure to face more questions about his ties to a Washington lobbyist.

The all-but-certain Republican nominee for president took a brief walk around the plant’s floor, where more than 2,700 workers build Ford’s Focus compact car. It was an unusual backdrop for what turned out to be a photo-op campaign stop for the Arizonan; McCain has long championed regulations that the domestic automakers have opposed, including higher fuel-efficiency standards.

McCain staffers took pains to keep local media away from McCain during the tour, on a couple of occasions pushing journalists away from McCain’s vicinity, according to a pool reporter who accompanied the tour. The campaign had alerted local and national media that McCain would answer questions from reporters after the tour, but informed the media just minutes before McCain arrived that there would be no press conference. Campaign staffers gave no reason for canceling the press conference.

No reason? “Nothing to see here. Move along, move along . . .”

Tonight reinforced my conviction that either one will eat McCain for lunch in the fall debates.

The Bush legacy. Every President is allowed one Pearl-Habor type of attack on America and will be considered heroic.

Right?

wow. Christy, you echoed my assessment to the T! I think this one goes to Obama, he did not get booooed, he did not make any slams or digs at Clinton. She came off really well, however. And LOOKED so much better than she has of late. I hope that Obama will win Texas and Ohio, and if and when he does, I PRAY she can be gracious enough to concede with class! This does NOT need to carry on to Denver!

the american people won. and the dems.

lololol

I agree BT
She was good but didnt make the “kill”
Her last statement maybe conceded that she didnt.
Again Obama is special and unusual, a once in a life time opportunity.
We havent see it for 40 odd years

That would be the Texas Two Step, no?

Considering Obama has not been the best at past debates and he had a cold tonight.. I thought it was pretty much a draw.

Hillary sounds stronger on health care and Barack stronger on ending war and occupations.

You listen to Jimi?

Did you get the Xe*ox Corporation’s permission to use that trademark in that fashion?

I am so looking forward to Obama’a concession speech!

I am so ready to move on from this primary

Hullooo fellow Austinite!

I don’t think it mattered all that much. So Hillary lost. Even if she won.

BT, from the last thread —- I believe that it is te president’s first reponsibilty to keep us safe. I say that because the Congress and Judiciary all have significant roles to play in protecting the Constitution. Much less so with our safety. At least that’s what I think. The Constitution will be OK.

Blue Texan you are right!…as usual
and lately Shiela Jackson lee has been sounding like a wind-up robot,
she has reduced herself to a 4th rate spin-meistress, it is disturbing to me, shje used ot be one of my fav’s

Bush can take a punch and never miss a line while reading “My Pet Goat”.

Whatta man, and good riddance.

Uh, that would be Blue Texan, not Christy.

No, I borrowed it from Hil.

another austinite! yay! welcome.

Hillary makes Obama look like he’s just too young to handle the job. She speakshi in rounded sentences, totally in command of the facts, and without hesitation. He mispeaks, repeats himself, and loses the point. She is presidential!

Uh…don’t think ya gonna see that…but we shall see.

Now a days we use photocopy. No longer xerox

oooops. my SORRRRY! sorry, BT! that’s what i get for speed reading thru the post so I can catch up with the comments!
my bad.

I listen to Jimi.

Senator Clinton won the debate tonight. She is just more masterful on the specific issues.

I don’t know about all that…the first Kerry/Bush debate in 04-that was winding a clock. Bentsen/Quayle in ‘88. This was two brilliant, committed idealists, with differeing reasons for preferring one over the other. A one-sided mauling? No way.

I think the American people won. Either candidate will provide us all with a huge step up from the current Preznit McSmirk, and will save us from Saint McVain.

Hillary is very impressive. But this time ’round, she’s a loser. The best thing she could do for the sake of the party and the country would be to drop out and release her delegates and let Obama and everyone else focus on John “More of the Same” McCain.

I must commend MSNBC for its decision to make a rescheduled “Countdown” its post-debate analysis vehicle. I don’t miss Tweety one bit.

McCain is not to be feared and is virtually irrelevant.

Hate to spoil it..but tweety is on at 11

Interesting in that both of the debate “winners” you reference (and I do not disagree) subsequently lost their respective elections.

Tonight reinforced my conviction that either one will eat McCain for lunch in the fall debates.

Ack.

Brain bleach to my appetite centers, stat!

I hate to say this, but…

DITTO!

fork

There have been numerous debates involving these two. And Obama has won more delegates and far more states. This debate wasn’t somehow radically different from the others.

AAAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!

What do you mean “lately”? I saw her on Real Time once. She’s bright but sometimes she acts like a real ijit.

Rachel: “that stupid Xerox comment”…LOL

Hi there and welcome! We love seeing new folks here at the Lake!

so, did i miss much?

(don’t answer that!)

* i am not a ditto head

Betsy – hope your night is peaceful and you feel well soon. Good you have TexTeen and Wangdangdoodle and LS keeping their ears open.

I’m off to get ready for sleep and (yuck) work tomorrow.

heh

I want to know which operative wrote the zerox line for Clinton. (assuming one did, and it didn’t just come from her)

I think we were watching different debates possibly in a different decade.

Yeah, I noticed that too…they just happened to be the two most dominating debate performances I could quickly think of.

night tejanarusa.

i will be fine. just playing it safe.

Is “ditto” the punctuational equivalent of “xerox”?

Mondale-Reaga I. Tne one where Nancy got mad because they tried to get Ronnie prepared and it confused him. I actually felt sorry for Reagan that night he was so pathetic. But it was scary that that guy was president and you knew would be again. Scary.

Hmmm…I got really pissed off about the Xerox comment, which is probably attributable to her “script” as, ironically, provided by her advisors, followed by some really condescending comments..I didn’t like that at all. It came off as mean. She’s better than that. She’s better than her advisors. She invoked McCain at the end…wrong!

Obama was, in my humble opinion, not feeling well..a little off..but still brilliant, as is HRC, but his passion and brilliance always shines…he’s speaking of something different…something that can happen in our country in our lifetime…something that has been gone from our country…since 11/22/63. I feel that from him. It is a kind of healing energy for all peoples. It is different than anything I’ve ever heard since then.

That is his magic, and that is just my humble opinion….and its implications scare me too. He has raised my hopes…and that scares me. I want to be pragmatic, but I’m not. He is brave, and so is Hillary.

hi selise. did you watch at all?

Mrs. K8- I agree with you completely. I kinda suspect that anyone who calls it a win or lose for O or C is seeing it through their own particular preference lens.

And, btw, can I just put a can of Coke in the toilet, or do I need to pop the tab and pour in the contents first? ;)

Mandy Gruenwald is my guess.

I wonder what project(s) David Schuster is working on?

* i am not a ditto head

ditto

MrsK8! long time no see!

Penn, penned it…! ;-)

Just in case, I’m closest and have the cel standing by.

Full disclosure: that was not my original thought. I studied it in a course once.

You can say that again.

hi selise. did you watch at all?

not one bit.

Thanks. I was listening to Jimi and he played over Pat Buchanan. Jimi made a lot more sense than Pat.

I wonder what project(s) David Schuster is working on?

If MSNBC doesn’t put him back on soon, they will deserve to loose him to another network.

He’s not going to have trouble getting an equal job.

My mom is furious with Obama. She says it’s Senator Clinton’s turn and if he wins the primary she will not vote at all for President.

Any firepups feel they could not vote for the “other” candidate?

yes maam wangdang. cell phone is charged and at my side.

Of course not!

You’re a wangdangdoodle-head! :-)

[Reminds me of just the sort of expression my little nephew would love. When kids are of that age when they play with making new words for the sheer sound and fun of it, it cracks me the hell up. But then, it cracks THEM up, too, which is more the point of it.]

Beautifully said

What Betsy said

So did Mondale. But he actually got a bounce out of that 1st debate. Reagan scared people that night. I don’t think McCain will be that bad.

I didn’t read the posts from earlier today. Did anyone here say anything about his affair with that lobbyist chick?

BT, I think you described it very well. Clinton showed her usual debate strengths – plusa strong opening and great close – but also looked petty and water-testing with the Xerox attack stuff. Obama is becoming a more effective debater, both rhetorically and in terms of policy details and clear, confident (but not nasty) rebuttals. The audience seemed to be just a touch more on his side. A draw, perhaps… but since it was a not a knockout (and no gaffes), probably the momentum just keeps on going for Obama.

I guess we’ll find out Tuesday…

oilfieldguy, i would gladly vote for either in the general but plan to vote for obama on the 4th

No

The highpoint of the night belonged to Hillary. The low point of the night belonged to Hillary.

Obama was steady throughout and that’s all he needed to do.

Both overall did a wonderful job. I would call it a draw, but when considering the current state of the race a draw translates to a win for Obama and his momentum may now carry him to a win in Texas.

The fast track to tenure. :)
Just kidding.

Pat rarely makes sense. And when he does, it fucks with my head.

We’re on the same page…again.

from EPUville: Scrambling back and forth between “real life” and the lake sometimes does not for clarity make….

No.

Nope. And I can’t for the life of me understand how anyone can feel that way.

Um…the latter approach is more effective. :-)

And then a quick brushing in the a.m. finishes it off.

Good to see you and all the other fine pupster regulars (and new pups!) ’round the lake this evening.

Smooches and hugs!!!

LOL–

Is the RNC sending emails to Rachel Mawddow mistakenly blaming Obama for one of Clinton’s statements?

McCain said it wasn’t true.

He also said at one time that torture was wrong. Then he changed his positon.

Straight talk, you know.

Howdy, pal! Good to see your smiling face (in a virtual sense, of course).

I was so mad at Obama for his praise of Reagan that I said I wasn’t going to vote for him. But I think I’ll give him one more chance. But if he says one more comment about the Pukes being the “party of ideas” I just won’t vote for president next year.

One thing I can’t stand is a Lieberman-Daschle-Gephart-Bob Kerrey type democrat.

She says it’s Senator Clinton’s turn

The Republican Party nominates the guy whose “turn” it is. The Dem Party thankfully does not.

just remember:

Remember, Red, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

[Shawshank Redemption, Andy, as played by Tim Robbins, written by Stephen King, produced by…. *g*]

Pat can surprise you. He’ll talk like a complete paleo-conservative; and then say something right, for all the right reasons.
Fucks with my head too.

Rachel Mawddow is SUCH a breath of fresh air in MSM. THANK GOD! NO helmet hair! kewl.

Howdy, Blue Texan!

Know what really bothers nme about HRC? Just one of things that annoys me. The way she claps along with the crowd at her rallies. Not the fact that she does it. But the way she does it. Looks really goofy. I could never vote for her.

I am a Clinton supporter, but I feel that anyone who believes in Senator Clinton and what she represents MUST support and vote for whichever Democratic wins the nomination. If you believe in the ideals of the Democratic Party, then it is imperative to do whatever you can do—-and at very least vote—to prevent the Republicans from having ANOTHER opportunity to shred our Constitution, spend our treasure, sacrifice lives and ruin the environment of our planet.

I agree. Enough.

Hi, siri…My favorite Scandinavian name…

Wow, Oilfield guy, MrsK8, Valley Gir! Hi everyone.

OldMother is not happy with Obama – thinks he is not nice to Hillary and she is very mad at Michelle for her “for the first time in my adult life” situation. I don’t think she’ll vote for him on the ticket and she’s never not voted and never not voted Dem.

Maddow, not Mawddow!

Whoa! Today is a major anniversary for me.

Three years ago today, I posted my first comment on the old Blogspot version of FireDogLake.

As then, today I was ruminating on Hunter Thompson’s death, and how much he would have enjoyed being here for this amazing political year.

I get your point, but in my opinion that statement is a bit unfair to Daschle, Gephart, and Bob Kerrey.

There is only one Joe Lieberman.

LS –

I absolutely know what you mean. We feel that way in our house, too. Afraid to hope too much, yet longing to hope again.

The ruthless murders of our leaders in the sixties caused wounds which have never healed.

The song “Abraham, Martin, and John” can still make me sob out loud.

THAT’S a strange coincidence! BIODUN is MY favorite name!
:D

I loooove that movie…

We mean what you know.

So, did anyone hear Keith say that Politico.com found an Edwards debate moment just like Hillary’s warm, touching closing tonight?

I agree. One thing we can’t have is a goofy clapper in the Whitehouse!

Wow! Two other SoCal pups! Hey Mommybrain and OC!!!

Not in this house!

Does anyone really believe Obama was praising Reagan, personnally? It has always seemed to me that he was simply and unflinchingly analyzing Reagan’s inarguable success at being twice-elected and pushing his agenda through?

I was joking. I guess I should have said. There were some good posts on it. I was happy to see people pounding the point that the affair or “friedship” isn’t the big deal. McCain’s coziness with lobbyists is. The Straight Talk Express is going to be The Bullshit Local by Labor Day.

Congratulations FDL on 51,000,000 site visits!

——-Geeks R Us

was a typo.
honest!
:)~

Certainly no MoDo.

Hmmm.

Me too!! My first cat’s name was Siri (pronounced Seee-Rrreee) when I was 4. I love the name….*g*

hey LooHoo! hey Mommybrain!

I have my own dictionary, all your words belong to me. ;)

Good to see you back again!

I think Obama was the winner this evening although Hillary’s closing statement was stronger than his.

Looks really goofy. I could never vote for her.

You would vote for McCain because Hillary looks goofy???????

egregious i think i may account for a million all by myself!

Yeah, I guess it’s kind of harsh to compare anyone with Holy Joe. He is by far the worst in that group.

It was funny when Hillary brought up the Kirk Watson “interview”..Poor Kirk, I feel for him…..lol. He was a good mayor. Maybe it is not to late for him to run for City Council.

“…never vote for her?” Do you mean you just won’t vote if she is the nominee or switch party? Inquiring mind wants to know.

Hillary has spent 106M so far and her supporters are worried about the rest of the campaign.

May not have been xeroxed, but it was recycled.

she may calm down after a spell… but those 2 are on notice, I tell ya’!

I agree.

*waving to mrs k8* thought of you today when i noticed my daffs and other spring bulbs starting to bloom

It’s just a smear from someone who is rooting that Obama gets indicted.

brianb where are you?

You may be able to get away with it in your own state and get into the Senate, but when you embark on a national campaign, a bad clap will do you in.

What a kind thing to say.
As an Obama supporter I like that. Wouldnt it be wonderful to see all the Dems go after McCain together.
About Obama…My daughter (33)is very close to me and she voted for Bush and Ive had to keep my mouth shut.
She is actively watching politics because she likes Obama. I never thought Id see it.

Waving to Mommybrain! Good to see us pups can close ranks after the Mother Of All Primaries. The choice between fantastic and merely abfab.

Salut to FDL at 51MM! The Ladies of the Lake are “Amazon.”

Is there any way to revisit those old postings and comments from previous FDL incarnations?

I throw my hopes to the wind…blow hopes….blow….

My money’s on Penn. And he won’t get fired for it; he’ll blame the crowd instead of the line.

happy anniv, CT bob!

The plagiarism charge against Obama is bogus and deserved to be booed off the stage. It is just silly. I guess people will start copyrighting campaign pitches next.

My question is when McCain is asked about lobbyists will be answer it, emit boilerplate nondenial denials, or threaten to sue, or just stand there. From his campaign performances today, looks like one of the last three.

I’m very ignorant about stuff like that. Is that good? Is it more than Malkin?

She points and claps. She looks like my 6th grade music teacher, but I knew why the music teacher was doing it.

No, t’wern’t me.

Where are you located in the States, Bio?

Hey back atcha! Hope all is well in Mommybrain Land.

My problem withe either’s health plans is they involve health care COVERAGE, and do NOTHING to break the backs of big business who manage it and deny care to those who need it for pre-existing, and a myriad of other reasons including delaying paperwork on purpose, etc.

We don’t need no stinking health care coverage, we need HEALTH CARE FOR ALL!!!
For Free. It works in other countries, it should work here.

And the AMA and the Pharm’s buy our politicians as much as DuPont, RayChem, Bechtel and the War Machine buys them.

Until a candidate and a leader changes that, we will continue to suffer from the evil and the inequities those large corporations foist upon us and the rest of the world.

And the short of it all? HRC’s health care coverage is a shill for the corps. Period.

Obama’s? Eh, similar, no doubt, I’m NOT qualified to speak of his program proposal.

But I’ll take my chances on a ‘purported’ change agent ANY time over an established elitist and inside beltway corporatist shill . . . male OR female, black, white, yellow or green. And healthcare alone, if HRC’s is superior to Obama’s, is NOT gonna tip MY vote scales for HRC. By ANY means.

Obama’s my guy. And he BETTER get Edwards, Kuch and Gore involved for some heavy change, soon.

Harumph.

yep: firedoglake dot blogspot dot com

Yes!! The first wildflowers are blooming here (TX)…and I saw a flock of sparrows heading north, but stopping to eat my dog’s food and the seed I put out…roses are budding…everythings coming up (oh, yeah, that’s plagiarism)…nevermind….

I was thinking about Barack making inroads into groups of voters who have been strong Hillary supporters.

Obama campaign to Clinton’s: All your base are (beginning to) belong to us.

I think nondenial denials.

Hi Oldcoastie!! How are you?

LooHoo!

I do not see another female presidential candidate on the horizon for at least another generation. It seems she is smarter and more prepared then anybody. But Barrack will win on sheer charisma. It is true that a woman has to work twice as hard to get the same recognition as a man. I feel for her. It wasn’t “the Clintons” running for President tonight, it was just Hillary. I think she sees the writing on the wall, and I really wish her well.

The big news of the night was that Tweety was not across the table from Keith.

Hey CTBob!– been quite a few 3 years or so! What’s the latest on Himes v. Shays? If CT can get rid of Shays, then you only have one X#22@@@ in Congress.

Yes, but it’s also a line used by Bill Clinton 16 years ago. It’s a winning line used by Democrats when on the ropes showing they will stand behind the nominee.

“It’s not change you can believe in, it’s change you can Xerox”, HRC

I have a problem with that…..sorry.

hanging in there, Mommybrain – how about yourself?

I think they will go after him. I’d like to think the Dems are learning about this election stuff. Hopefully they’ll rediscover or learn sopmething about the governing stuff when a DEm prse is sworn in.

Waving right back!!!

Oooh, you are making me jealous all over again. But, thanks for the reminder! ‘Tis the season for me to drop hints for Mr. K8 to keep his eyes peeled for cut daffodils in the stores, to bring home to me…..

Guess what? We are diving into (oops, sorry for stealing your own idiom) the wonderful world of vegetable gardening this spring. Using the square foot intensive method. (crossing fingers — I have a history of accidentally killing plants…)

i’m glad i was not the only one to notice that :)

I’m sorry I sounded so unkind. If Obama is the nominee I hope he doesn’t let us down. I’ll certainly vote for him unless he gets to centrist. I’m sorry, I just can’t stand centrists.

my thumbs are considered to be wpd (weapons of plant destruction)

Here’s my opinion. I do not think Obama is as brilliant as Hillary (although he is obviously a very smart person). I also don’t think he is as focused on solutions as she is. And, I don’t think he has the vast knowledge of the issues that she so amazingly has.
Having said that, if he can win the presidency, I think the U.S. will be instantly transformed into a better nation. How we are viewed by the world will immediately improve. Those that have been disillusioned will be inspired.
So, while I think Hillary is the more accomplished, experienced candidate, the thought of an Obama Presidency even has me (the eternal cynic) feeling very hopeful.

(I have the flu. I know I got it from one of you guys.)

Be more fun if he vaguely and menacing refers to lawyers and threatens to sue the whole country for daring to question His Integrity.

Ding! Am awfully embarrassed Matthews is even on the air.

Hi VG!

Jim Himes is doing good with the fund raising, and we’re all psyched to take on old “19 Trips” Shays! It’s gonna be a big, loud, fun campaign!

Plus, he has Maura for a campaign manager, which shows how good Jim’s judgment is!

It is President’s first responsibility to keep America safe from any and all attacks on its freedoms. That means from both without and within. When the White House is part of the problem, then Congress has special role. The Constitution will only be OK if the next president makes real efforts to undo many of the harms perpetrated by the current administration.

I forgot about the pointing. That annoys me too. It’s sorta like she doesn’t get her fingers into the act. Who claps like that?:

Why did the music teacher do it?

In terms of what each needed from the debate Obama won. Only because Hill needed so much, she needed a smashing victory and didn’t attain it.

I missed that I missed that. (I was streaming from back here in the den of inequity.)

“Here’s what we used to call in the movie business, a ‘clinker’”.

STFU, Tweety. Movie business my ass.

BIG time! she GOT boooooed!

WTF does that mean, anyway?

I think if anything, she has helped Obama. I think he recognizes that. She is making him a stronger candidate for the fall.

is why computer virus protection is so important mary hope you feel better soon

Not me! Take care.

Hillary went out in style.

Amen

From typing at the same site as all us germy types?

If someone teachers her how to clap like less of a doofus, I’d be proud to vote for her.

gotta run to the store – anybody need anything?

Yep. I shoulda washed my hands.

I dont like them either. But as Thom Hartmann says , we will influence any pres and move them to the left.
They ran a bio of Obama last night on MSNBC and it is wonderful. He has risen so fast and I found him genuine. Ambitious yes but truly caring about the inner city people he worked with.
See it if you can.

Don’t you think Obama has beautiful hands? So expressive.

Maybe she got the clap from the Big Dog.

you would not vote for someone based on their clapping style?

walking away shaking head…

I’m more optimistic on a woman candidate. I think it’s very possible we will see other women candidates soon–there is no shortage of qualified women.

Maura’s doing a great job for Jim in the supporter-outreach and -contact department. As a small contributor through Blue America, I really enjoy getting his e-newsletter regularly.

This will be a sweet victory (better even than denying RGJoe his superdelegate status).

Oh boy! Matthews. Always embarrassing but never embarrassed.

I will treasure that look of outraged defiance on his face after he pulled that stupid and dishonest stunt with the unprepared Obama supporter.

Matthews looked like a toddler who had just done potty on the living room rug, looking at mom and dad, just daring them to trample on his domain, with true outrage and anger, asserting his right and privelege to do whatever the hell he thinks he is doing on national TV.

What an amazing statement. Hair, clothes, cackling, etc. Ye, gods.

I agree with that. I’m just saying, I don’t have a problem with a president making my safety his or her top priority.

a round of hand sanitizer may be popular…..

evil joke LOL

Yes, my country back…

Coastie, can you get some peppermint ice cream for me? I have a craving …

Beer!

I dislike how the modern Presidency has morphed into a Supreme Legislator, where he sends down detailed budget plans, etc. from on high. I’d like Congress to take control of that process back. But there is such enormous political pressure these days on Presidents to have all the answers that I don’t see it happening.

with you, Suz

I actually felt like we won tonight. A lot of the debates have been poorly run, dumb questions, unfair time allocation, candidates using scripted talking points. Most of the debates I couldn’t watch the whole thing.

Tonight I saw two poised, strong, confident candidates. The scripted talking points were few and awkward. On healthcare, my bottom line is there’s two imperfect plans and somehow, whoever gets elected, either plan is a very strong start that can lead, in a few years, to a successful universal plan. So though it’s one of my two issues, I’m okay with either plan as a first step.

Since neither candidate knew the final question, I do not consider it scripted. Hillary did a top notch job with it, it played to her strength and was classy and warm and thoughtful.

So what’s to complain about unless McCranky wins?

I rate it a draw. I think it possible the ardent fans of either may have realized that the other is not Satan’s Serpent-in-chief.

I don’t think either ‘had’ to do anything except display class, competence and authenticity and both did that, at least 98%. Nobody had to ‘knock it out of the park’ because, frankly, it ain’t baseball. Texans have 12 days to listen and read and see campaign appearances and all the old CW media narratives will only matter if they see either fuggup twixt now and then.

Clinton may chip away daily or Obama may wow them like he has elsewhere. Tonight they both displayed they were winners with only minor flaws, which is all we can ask of them. But the outcome of TX will be decided on their daily performance, the local newscasts and their GOTV efforts.

I came away more enthused than I’ve been since Edwards was in.

No, thanks. Hurry back!

OC, can you pick me up some whirled peas please? Thank you.

Again Obama is special and unusual, a once in a life time opportunity.
We havent see it for 40 odd years

Please explain “special and unusual”?

Hey CTBob-

That’s good news about the fund raising, bec. irrc last I asked you thought it might be an issue.

Oh, yeah, I remember the Maura news!

There have been record-breaking turn outs in the Dem primaries/ caucuses, all over the place. I’ll have to go look at what CT did- I forgot to pay attention on that. But, it seems to be a trend. :

Hillary did very well, but she is so predictable. She reminds me of Hubert Humphrey. Obama is coming from a very different place. Once you realize that, you know there isn’t any other choice.

I don’t think Rethugs can say the word “lawyer” without “trail” attached to it. In fact, I think it’s all one word for them “trialawyers.” What they mean is plaintiffs’ lawyers.

Where’s KEITH???? WHY do they inflict tweety on us??? i want to hear these other people, but i cannot really, REALLY, cannot stomach Mathews, the idjit!

We’re going to do everything we can to make it so.

We are to believe that something you copied on the Xerox machine is worth believing in and it will change the state of the world.

Something disgusting like that.

No questions about the environment or global warming. Again. Of course, the sponsor was Clean Coal.

LOL.

Good analysis – I agree.

OC, i am looking for a new body. I’ll keep my mind and soul but some of the other parts are due for replacement.

Mary –

Feel better soon!

Seriously, alcohol hand sanitizer is your friend (I’ve been using it ever since I discovered a medical condition makes me prone to getting cellulitis if I’m not careful).

Using the kind of alcohol prep swabs used before patients get injections is a nice cheap method to clean keyboards and the mouse. Frequently. Every day I go to work I clean them (and the telephone!) before doing anything else.

So far, no flu. (Knocks wood.)

Whirled peas? Is that anything like popped corn?

I agree completely. That is why I think getting more new and better Democrats in Congress just as important as Pres race.

Go ahead and shake whatever you want. But the Retugs will be merciless in the general election. They’ll pick on any weakness or sign of doofiness.

CT was the only state in the Northeast to go for Obama on Super Tuesday. It was a big win for him, considering NY, NJ and MA all went for Hillary. The victory prevented Hillary from claiming Obama doesn’t appeal to our region. We had a huge turnout.

Visualize them, LooHoo.

I loved Kennedy. I cast my first vote for him. This feels the same. He is more than a politician he moves people and it is not to be nailed down.

…so very late to the dance – but I’m used to it. Haven’t read through all the comments but just in case it hasn’t been said, it was so refreshing, again, to hear two grown adults discuss real issues and not play the fear card.

my $.02

I’m guessing that Beerfart is having a little fun at our expennse here, but I could be wrong.

But (a touch off topic, perhaps), you know what really scares me? This. Thank God, nothing happened, but the symbolism could not be moere disturbing. Dallas, a hugely charismatic Democrat endorsed by the Kennedys, and, needless to say, less than two months after the death of Benazir Bhutto. If we were living in a free, western country instead of a banana republic, there’d be at least one former Secret Service guard looking for a job as a mall rent-a-cop right about now.

say it out loud: whirled peas world peace

Her cackling is just right, in my view.

Happens all the time.

Did i miss anything?

For the first time in her life, Michelle was proud of her country’s response to her husband’s borrowed talking points.

That reminded me of a line from a Terry Pratchett book, Going Postal. The main character, Moist Von Lipwig, just before being hanged, says, “I commend my soul to any god who can find it.” I love that book!

t-r-i-a-l

not

trail

BFL, I’m assuming you’re joking….because basing your vote, with the future of the Republic at stake, on how someone claps their hands is almost…..surreal.

Visualize them, LooHoo.

We still love LooHoo…! ;-)

And, btw, can I just put a can of Coke in the toilet, or do I need to pop the tab and pour in the contents first? ;)

thanks for that. my first laugh of the evening.

One reason Dems will win in November:

Dems: Republicans Refuse to Participate in Surveillance Bill Talks

Bush: “No Compromise” on Surveillance Bill

but his passion and brilliance always shines…he’s speaking of something different…something that can happen in our country in our lifetime…something that has been gone from our country…since 11/22/63.

Well, I hope you’re not suggesting we should have another assassination. That’s verboten.

I find it amusing that after all of his speeches his followers still can’t specify what exactly it is he offers. Heh. Teh Cool-Aid must be very tasty.

thunk

GW and doodle, you have mail.

Is there a repub debate coming up?

If someone teachers her how to clap like less of a doofus, I’d be proud to vote for her.

BFL, might I politely observe that you just might have flushed your FDL credibility down the toilet with that one?

‘twixt whom?

i put some pillows around ya just in case of thunking, loohoo :)

Any dem in a storm for me right now.

Try having a conversation with your Mom, if you haven’t already, about potential Supreme Court Justice appointments.

Obama appointing them or McCain?

Raph, I totally agree. In Dallas, no less! Unless the feds were acting at Obama’s direction, that’s a security slip-up that should not happen. PERIOD.

When I read that earlier tonight, it brought back the whole sadness/anger feeling I had back at the time, though I was only 10.

he had lake cred?

the sponsor was Clean Coal.

Do they use the same PR firm as “Legal Torture”?

My eyes hurt. I hate to leave but thanks and good night, pups

a ditto was very similar to a stencil

thunk

The sound whirled peas make hitting LooHoos.

What’s happening Tuesday? Did you mean March 4 or am I missing something?

Police concerned about order to stop screening
DALLAS — Security details at Barack Obama’s rally Wednesday stopped screening people for weapons at the front gates more than an hour before the Democratic presidential candidate took the stage at Reunion Arena.

The order to put down the metal detectors and stop checking purses and laptop bags came as a surprise to several Dallas police officers who said they believed it was a lapse in security.

Dallas Deputy Police Chief T.W. Lawrence, head of the Police Department’s homeland security and special operations divisions, said the order — apparently made by the U.S. Secret Service — was meant to speed up the long lines outside and fill the arena’s vacant seats before Obama came on.

“Sure,” said Lawrence, when asked if he was concerned by the great number of people who had gotten into the building without being checked. But, he added, the turnout of more than 17,000 people seemed to be a “friendly crowd.”

The Secret Service did not return a call from the Star-Telegram seeking comment.

Doors opened to the public at 10 a.m., and for the first hour security officers scanned each person who came in and checked their belongings in a process that kept movement of the long lines at a crawl. Then, about 11 a.m., an order came down to allow the people in without being checked.

Several Dallas police officers said it worried them that the arena was packed with people who got in without even a cursory inspection.

They spoke on condition of anonymity because, they said, the order was made by federal officials who were in charge of security at the event.

“How can you not be concerned in this day and age,” said one policeman.

Whatever. I’m off to invite friends to the rally tomorrow… I’ll send them a Xerox!

;)

I think that even if Obama directed them to stop, they should have continued the screening.

“Well, I hope you’re not suggesting we should have another assassination. That’s verboten.”

Ummm…earth to MarkH.

The Republican Party nominates the guy whose “turn” it is. The Dem Party thankfully does not.

Really? So, when they let Clinton give the convention speech it didn’t indicate he was ‘in line’ to be president? So, when they let Obama give the convention speech it didn’t indicate he was ‘in line’ to be president? I also suspect Mario Cuomo could’ve won if he’d run. He gave a great convention speech.

Tell me an outsider who won without insider support? Carter and …?

Whoever came up with that “Xerox” line is getting a bus ticket home. It was a stupid line to begin with, but Hillary really forced it.

sleep well snowbird.

Coal & Torture are both represented by the firm of Fuggem, Sikkinem & Dye.

I have that tee-shirt: “Visualize Whirled Peas”

Nobody gets it here in Northwest Arkansas

:(

More subversive imcompetence.

the sponsor was Clean Coal.

Do they use the same PR firm as “Legal Torture”?

The same Agency that came up with “Clean Skies” and “Healthy Forests”

RaphLevien: that is weird and scary. Will the Dems investigate this. All the marks of Cheney/Bush operation -including a rationale that is insultingly stupid beyond words, and inconsistent with other policy priorities. I definitely want to hear A LOT more about that. Anything similar happen with an HRC rally?

Eight years ago, I would put this line of thought into tin-foil hat territory, but not anymore. We are dealing with very vary bad people in the WH.

—

Police concerned about order to stop screening
By JACK DOUGLAS Jr.Star-Telegram Staff Writer
STAR-TELEGRAM/RODGER MALLISON

Barack Obama speaks Wednesday at a Democratic rally in Dallas’ Reunion Arena. Police were told to stop screening people for weapons before the rally began. DALLAS — Security details at Barack Obama’s rally Wednesday stopped screening people for weapons at the front gates more than an hour before the Democratic presidential candidate took the stage at Reunion Arena.

The order to put down the metal detectors and stop checking purses and laptop bags came as a surprise to several Dallas police officers who said they believed it was a lapse in security.

Dallas Deputy Police Chief T.W. Lawrence, head of the Police Department’s homeland security and special operations divisions, said the order — apparently made by the U.S. Secret Service — was meant to speed up the long lines outside and fill the arena’s vacant seats before Obama came on.

“Sure,” said Lawrence, when asked if he was concerned by the great number of people who had gotten into the building without being checked. But, he added, the turnout of more than 17,000 people seemed to be a “friendly crowd.”

The Secret Service did not return a call from the Star-Telegram seeking comment.

Doors opened to the public at 10 a.m., and for the first hour security officers scanned each person who came in and checked their belongings in a process that kept movement of the long lines at a crawl. Then, about 11 a.m., an order came down to allow the people in without being checked.

Several Dallas police officers said it worried them that the arena was packed with people who got in without even a cursory inspection.

They spoke on condition of anonymity because, they said, the order was made by federal officials who were in charge of security at the event.

“How can you not be concerned in this day and age,” said one policeman.

JACK DOUGLAS Jr., 817-390-7700
jld@star-telegram.com

GOOD night, good FDL folks. Have wondrous dreams!

Bastards.

Try having a conversation with your Mom, if you haven’t already, about potential Supreme Court Justice appointments.

Fortunately, My mom, Dr. Mom! With a PHD in Poly Sci is on my side, actually, she taught me well…!

Here in the bible belt very few people get the sticker on my car:

I don’t believe in Germ Theory. Take soap dispensers out of our public school washrooms.

OMG.

President Bush on Thursday stood by his demand for legal protection for phone companies that help the government eavesdrop on suspected terrorists, saying he sees no prospect of a compromise with congressional Democrats on the subject….

Nannynannynanny. I’m telling mom!

Do we know each other? Are you that Siri who used to live in Minneapolis in the mid- to late 1970s?

“They spoke on condition of anonymity because, they said, the order was made by federal officials who were in charge of security at the event.”

Names!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am speechless, but not surprised, and I’m scared, but Barak Obama will not back down, and neither will “We the People”.

Good night, at least for now, beloved pupsters! Off to make dinner for my squeeze, Mr. K8.

If I missed responding to anyone in specific, please forgive. I’m doing several things at once, but love you ALL!

Oh, and Happy Blogversary to CTBob!!! So good, as always, to see you here. This is still the very best blog for good community, in MHO.

Hugs to all.

He also said he wanted immunity for future law breaking. really. He forking said that. What a dick. oh wait.

My father used to print our Boy Scout troop’s newsletters on a Ditto machine. It used purple ink. I guess the name is now in the public domain.

Never did understand why Limbaugh’s koolaid moonies used it to identify themselves.

I wunner what secruity is like around McPain in the Ass. Wonder if a citizen can even get near the pompous old coot? And if a citizen has the sheer swank and gall to voice an unauthorized opinion, will he or she get the dissing-Cheney treatment (threatening interview with SS)?

Clever, wwd!

Having said that, if he can win the presidency, I think the U.S. will be instantly transformed into a better nation. How we are viewed by the world will immediately improve. Those that have been disillusioned will be inspired.

Do I get a decoder ring and a cape too?

‘nite, MrsK8. Great to see you.

Make him go stand in the corner.

Democrats Deadlocked In Texas Poll; In Ohio, Clinton Has Small Edge

The Post-ABC News polls show Clinton with solid support from white women, seniors, voters with less education and those with lower incomes in both Ohio and Texas. She holds a big lead among Hispanics in Texas. Obama has large advantages among independents, African Americans and better-educated voters in both states.

Goodnight, siri. A pleasure.

IIRC, in ‘88 Clinton gave the worst Convention speech ever. There’s no way he was at the head of the line.
I don’t have the data in front of me, but I don’t thik he really drew the big $ till after New Hampshire, except for a few, like Seth Ward.

…speaking of stickers – There is still an ABUNDANCE of “Bush/Cheney 2004″ stickers on a LOT of vehicles (Mostly SUV’s) here. When I pull up next to one, I just scowl.

:(

he sees no prospect of a compromise with congressional Democrats on the subject….

I hope that means the Dems have their heels dug in just as hard, because it’s about time they won one against Little Lord Spoiledbaby and make him wee his Pampers.

Yes.

Since when did local law enforcement cede their sworn responsibility to Feds not in their chain of command? jebus, if the SS told them to open the jails, would they do that, too?

In 2001 (2?) (3?) Shrub had a fundraiser at the Oppenheimer bldg – on the south side of Wilshire (at Westwood).

I staffed the medic table – brought the (then) standard kit for the chemical wepons commonly known as tear gas and pepper spray.

And brought several boxes of pretzels – just in case.

Wilshire Blvd there is four lanes – each way! And another two lanes of turn lanes.

The SS sent LAPD uniformed officers across all ten lanes to inspect me and my bags of medic crap – and check my ID.

(nope, couldn’t get ‘em to take a pretzel)

Then the SS sent a Federal suit to double-check.

(they at least smiled at the pretzel offer).

And the same SS today suspended weapons checks at the door?

Where are they training? Pakistan?

(wait – don’t answer. I don’t wanna know)

New thread upstairs.

Very troubling…for future events.

Maybe Tweety could get to the bottom of this.

Have you read “Thud!” ? I love his books.

Here too, in Central California. Makes me want to stroke every time I see one.

I dislike how the modern Presidency has morphed into a Supreme Legislator, where he sends down detailed budget plans, etc. from on high.

Sorry, but go back and read Washington. One of the primary jobs of the president has always been to push the legislative agenda. It comes with the bully pulpit.

G’nite siri – sleep well!

G’nite, MrsK8 – so good to see you again.

And victoria, I loove your sticker.

Do have any linkies on where to get one?

I hope someone (Keith, probably) finds out who gave that order.

Love the pretzels! Good on you!

Busharraf…The whole world is watching…you! Don’t even think about it.

Please. Clinton came from outside and beat all the older stalwarts of the party (he even had a young VP in the general!). The Rethugs always hand it over to the oldest guy with experience. For them, it’s like a Duke or an Earl or a King.

I want names… Now!

lots a different political micro-climates in CA. Interesting to watch the bumper sticker densities as you drive from coast into interior. Central Valley and Inland Empire, West San Fernando and Ventura -lotta Bush stickers still on. OC is mishmash now. Wonder what it will be like in November.

Might’ve been me, sorry! =-/

Hugs to you, dear MrsK8. It’s so good to see you!

Yes! It was great. I love the Patrician and the City Watch especially, but DEATH is also one of my favorites….

No questions about the environment or global warming. Again. Of course, the sponsor was Clean Coal.

There’s no such thing as “clean coal.” Coal is carbon. When you burn it, you get CO2, i.e., green-house gas that causes global warming.

Sure, but not by handing down detailed legislation in gory detail. The President is the Prime Mover, not the Prime Legislator.

You can link through my name. Didn’t do that to advertise, just knew the puzzled look that you get when they drive past …. :)

That’s why I put it in italics. What is the font for irony? :)

one time I saw an SUV parked in a disabled parking space without a temporary hang tag or a permanent disability tag. then i saw the aWol/Chenron sticker and realised they now allowed mental disability parking spaces

OC’s bumper stickers are mostly Ron Pauls… saw a Hillary the other day… most of the W stickers are now gone…

thanks, Victoria – great site.

You may be right.

I think this is a watershed year for the USA. Another woman could run next time, if HRC doesn’t get the nomination, but who has been as driven as HRC to seek the nomination? Another black man could run next time, if BO doesn’t get the nomination, and most people would expect one to.

I think the glass ceiling is still there, and HRC and many women are afraid that it will take a long time before the stars align so that they believe it is possible.

But the younger generation doesn’t see the obstacles that DFHs might, so let’s hope my pessimism is outdated.

Here’s a song to go with an outdated phrase.

thanks! it is so much fun.

Minneapolis…

Surely you gest. The joke works both ways. It turns out that if repeating another politician and one who happens to work closely with you is plagiarizing, then Hillary just xeroxed one herself tonight, as Josh and one of his readers demonstrated:

I mentioned at the end of my debate blog that the pivot of Hillary’s powerful concluding remarks came from Bill Clinton’s 92 campaign. Clinton had various permutations to it back then. But TPM Reader CG found one example in this November 1992 article by Anna Quindlen …

[Bill] Clinton, 92: “The hits that I took in this election are nothing compared to the hits the people of this state and this country have been taking for a long time.”

Hillary Clinton, tonight: “You know, the hits I’ve taken in life are nothing compared to what goes on every single day in the lives of people across our country.”

.

In fact we all do it, and their are neurological reasons for our unconscious copying, according to Dan Schachter’s The Seven Sins of Memory.

I’ve seen a cartoon, which should be a t-shirt for parents:

All we are saying
is give peas a chance.

Back from the store?

For along time I thought you were a cigar chomping crusty male old coast guard officer, prolly with a crew cut. Then I found out you were a gal, and closing down crooked CA GOP petition drives too. Still on duty! I was very impressed. Another poltiical hero(ine) here at FDL.

Or, am I still mixed up?

on the Secret Service lapse. This is the same Service that has time to arrest people who beg to differ with Cheney, hunting them down way after the encounter. I guess they can micromanage but not do the big stuff. But to make that decision in Dallas of all places.

thanks, yes, I was thinking of just that incident concerning the very suspicious father of a little girl who dared politely voice his opinion in the presence of His Cheney-ness.

And then we get this crud from the usual unnamed unnaccountable federal sources. I want to hear a lot more about it for sure. And whether any sinilar security lapses for HRC too.

Who saw Barack coming 8 years ago? Who knows what fresh blood will arrise in the party, in the country over the next few years. I see no reason why an as yet unknown woman couldnt be in the next few presidencys, whether Hillary wins or not.

I think Obama had his best debate to date. He is a class act and Hillary was compelled to acknowledge it in her final statement which for all intents and purposes sounded like a valedictorian and was her best moment.

I just do not see another woman candidate anytime soon, or in the next twenty years. Hillary blazed a trail for future female candidates. But, again, it seems that a woman has to work twice as hard just to be taken seriously. I do not recall a candidate in my lifetime that had such command of the issues. I will even go so far as to say that the reason Bill succeeded was because he had such an insightful and driven partner. Don’t get me wrong, Obama is a once in a generation candidate in his own right. But Hillary would have been the first woman president, and for that reason I will be sorry to see her go.

It’ll depend, I think. If it’s an attack of a sort we’ve experienced recently, then no, it won’t. If it’s some new sort of thing, then maybe. Then it will depend on the President, how he’s already viewed by the country, and how willing the broadcast news folks are willing to treat him well.

Well, it’s late and I am nodding. I read all 4 debate threads and thoroughly enjoyed tapping into your thoughts and musings.

Must declare: I am voting for Hillary this week in early voting. I didn’t work all these years fighting to be equal, valued, and seen as capable as one of the opposite sex…and for my daughters, all three now succesful professional women – not to cast my vote for the first viable woman candidate for President.

Hillary was as impressive tonight as she always has been. I have never looked on these contrived debates (a chance for the faux reporters to shine) as having to have a winner and a loser. Both candidates did us proud, and I will support Obama wholeheartedly if HRC is not the nominee.

I’m a realist and see the tide turning toward Obama. Sad for Hillary. I think of the song “Send in the Clowns” (wish I could link it for you but don’t know how). Here she has spent her career to get to this point and along comes this smart, articulate, inspirational young(er) man, and a minority at that, and everybit as deserving as she. It’s not every day we can see clearly the irony that life presents. Google the song and see if you don’t think its sentiment sums up the situation.

I’ll say goodnight to all of you, wherever you are. And Betsy, take care.

Get Real! It’s the loosers that count and …

Lou Dobbs LOST!

This psychotic whacko who thinks he should run for President ranted tonight before the debate about the NAFTA superhighway of disease laden illegals and almost demanded it be discussed during CNN’s own debate -and even had a poll on how many others agreed it should be discussed.

Poor Lou… not even Joe Lieberman came to his rescue.

Before Ohio, Texas, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Rhode Island, West Virgina, etc.?

The first three are among the 9 largest states in the union. That’s 16% of the entire nation in just those 3 states.

So we don’t allow them to give voice to the process?

We tell the popular vote leader among Democrats that she should just drop out and tell Democrats in the remaining states that they just don’t count.

We just stop counting votes and declare a winner.

Just speaking for myself, truly not intending to raise a ruckus . . .

When I read about Clinton’s chief strategist, Mark Penn; his company, Burson-Marsteller; and his business, “perception management,” my feet became firmly planted on the Barack side of the Clinton/Obama fence.

This is not to say that Senator Obama’s campaign is influence-peddler-free. It’s not.

Also, these recent letters by Linn Cohen-Cole, addressed to Hillary (re: her ties to Monsanto), make my feet feel even better.

Needless to say, I will vote for the Democratic nominee (whether Hillary or Barack) come November.

Yeah, let’s tell Hillary to quit before she screws up and wins this thing.

Now that Obama has a narrow lead (maybe) in the delegates, she should quit for the good of . . . uh, somebody.

Just like Eli Manning and the Giants quit when the Patriots took the lead late in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl. They only hurt the NFL by playing the whole game.

Did you and I see the same debate????

She wound his clock!

He..meandering…platitudes…

She..focused on issues…making points

and, her finish just nailed it for her.

Let me guess… take me a minute here…. um, you’re a Clinton supporter, right?

Not that you’d let that color your viewpoint or anything.

I really liked that part where the audience booed Obama for recycling that old plagiarism charge. Oh, wait….

Yep, just nailed it for her.

Due to the power of Television to brainwash, once again The Corporate Media (beholdent to the Republican Party for Media Consolidation and afraid of losing their tax cuts) won the debate, as the their “Talking A-Holes” in their empty dysfunctional mysogeny continue to Swiftboat the former Democratic frontrunner, unamimously pouncing on her to make sure she does not win Texas.

Comments like: “Some say she was trying to show her human side” WHAT IS SHE A ROBOT? A potted plant?

They have successfully Been Swiftboating Hillary just as they did with Gore (”Too Wooden”)Dean (Built him up and knocked him down over nothing) and Kerry (”too nuanced”), and then gave the Swifboat Liars tens of billions in free advertising over a 35 day period, with not so much as a context such as the fact that their leader was not even in Vietnam when Kerry was, and had been put up to discrediting Kerry by Nixon (who empbhatically appologized for it decades ago)

Yesterday the bankroller of the Swiftboat Liars for the War in Vietnam was featured on a commercial for themselves on GE-TV (CNBC). This hedge fund manager along with Cheeney, in colaboration with CNBC have also been major players in driving up the price of oil to this level, which is a whole other story.

And soon, should Obama, who has been comlicit in the Swifboating of Hillary
(and is full of himself…his voice now 2 decibles lower, and gave himself a comliment for his speeches during the debate, which CNN (a station that is to Journalism what painging by numbers is to art) “senior” analyst made anything of.

Obama has been running a dishonest Republican campaign, using Republican PR operative and former Karl Rove team member’s book called: “It’s not what you say but what people hear.” which should be called: “It’s what you imply and who you implicate with lies.”

Obama was not even in the Senate when the vote on Iraq was taken and destpite what his campaign claims it took no courage to oppose the was from Chicago. And when he got to the US Senate said he doesn’t know how he would have voted.

FACTS ARE HARD TO BELIEVE WHEN MASS BRAINWASHING HAS TAKEN PLACE. But I saw LIVE the CONDITIONS that Hillary and Kerry for that matter gave for their votes. I saw everything that happened before and everything that happened after including Tim Russert saying about 90 times with that smirk on his face “But John Kerry voted for “the” War.” Hitler’s Geobble would be proud of Russert’s repetition of lies. So in case anyone is interested in the reality base facts:

After almost a year of Bush trying to get that vote he finally said that War would only be as a last resport.

Hillary and Kerry, for that mattert VOTED AS A UNITED FRONT TO INTIMIDATE SADAM INTO ALLOWING THE INSEPECTORS BACK IN AND WAR ONLY AS A LAST RESORT.

THAT VOTE DID WORK, HE DID ALLOW THE INSPECTORS BACK IN!

But instead of forming a coalition that included Iraq’s neighbors INSTEAD BUSH PUSHED OUT THE INSPECTORS AND WENT IN AS A FIRST RESORT.

Hillary’s vote came after she SPOKE with ALL THE PEOPLE WROTE the CIA brief and after speaking with Mr. Bush in the White House to verify what was supposed to happen.

And because the information was mixed she thought that it was very important to get those inspectors back in. In her speech she warned Sadam that this was his last chance to do that –and VOILA he finally did.

Obama is the Bush candidate on the Democratic side. Expressed his belief that it is not the job of the Chief Executive to manage the (using the same word the Republicans use to trash our government) “the beaurocracy”
(and that he loses documents which he must be given 5 minutes before he needs them)

Excuse me? The Executive branch RUNS the agencies of state that Americans PAY to protect their interests. It is the Reps who hate those agencies, have been trying to destroy them for decades, and have succeeded in turning them into Central Headquarters for the Republican Party (FEMA, EPA, USDA, Consumer Product Safety, Department of Education etc. etc.

Who needs a president whose wife has to tell him to take out the garbage, whose has supporters who are trashing the Democrats, who praises the Republican Party who for 6 years were stepping on the Constitution, hate the teachers of our children, would like to privatise Social Security and would get rid of the FDA if their could.

Hillary has been far too kind to him and has avoided saying that IT IS OBVIOUS that he will need a BIG LEARNING CURVE, and even then seems to have a Situation Comedy (REAGAN/Bush) image of what the Chief Executive’s
job is.

And how DARE HE HAVE TO AUDACITY TO EQUATE Hillary with Bush! She and Bill have been taking Hits FOR US from the Republicans fore a long time. It is psychologically abusive to state otherwise.

Change? Change from What?

We had Nixon whose people broke into Democratic Party headquarters. Would Obama have changed that?

For 7 years the Republicans stepped on the Constitution and on the necks of the Democrats as a minority. Would Obama change that?

After the Republicans lost in 2006 their plan, which they followed to a T!
was to make the Democrats look bad when the poop hit the fans from their terrible policies. So they put their dirty socks into the dishwashers, Mr. Bush has vetoed everything, while the Republicans have philibustered.

WOULD OBAMA CHANGE ALL THAT? Good luck!

And when the viscious attackers for McCain go after Obama based on the content of his book will he deny what it says? You can be SURE OF ONE THING THOSE ATTACKERS WILL GET BILLIONS IN FREE AIR TIME ON THE Same Corporate Media that has been attacking Hillary day after day after day.

I will not vote for OBamanable!

Just a first post to express my thoughts about the debate, Aint it great to be a Dem now. Two great finalist left — The best of the best. Both great people!!

captcarl