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	<title>Comments on: McVain In Bed With Lobbyists?  Frequently.</title>
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		<title>By: perris</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/21/mcvain-in-bed-with-lobbyists-frequently/#comment-1288094</link>
		<dc:creator>perris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;tula has a new post upstairs about green technoloigy&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tula has a new post upstairs about green technoloigy</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/21/mcvain-in-bed-with-lobbyists-frequently/#comment-1288041</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Well one aspect of the Keating affair that I believe came up in the NYT article was that McCain’s wife invested in a mall with Keating but McCain did not see that as a conflict of interest and recuse himself from overseeing investigations into Keating’s activities. Given this extra level of involvement, it is something that his punishment was the lightest of the Keating 5.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe that aspect of it could stand some additional scrutiny, but as I said, Keating had many, many good projects here prior to his purchase of Lincoln Savings.  The corruption was supposed to be that five sitting Senators confronted Federal regulators and basically bullied them to “shit or get off the pot.”  OTOH, if you were to invest in RE in AZ at the time, you would be smart to invest with one of Keating’s projects.  Deconcini owned vacant property all over the area here; I saw countless deeds with his name on them.  He was essentially a land speculator as well as a sitting Senator.  Our greatest industry in AZ is growth.  Also, consider the fact that a developer was once elected the Governor of the State (following the election of a used car salesman who was thrown out of office for making the state a laughingstock with his poor choices of words.)  That is, before he had to vacate his office due to corruption and fraud with his bank loans.  When you get into real estate dealings in this state, you’re really getting into the deep weeds.  I’m just not sure it’s productive enough!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well one aspect of the Keating affair that I believe came up in the NYT article was that McCain’s wife invested in a mall with Keating but McCain did not see that as a conflict of interest and recuse himself from overseeing investigations into Keating’s activities. Given this extra level of involvement, it is something that his punishment was the lightest of the Keating 5.</p>
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<p>Maybe that aspect of it could stand some additional scrutiny, but as I said, Keating had many, many good projects here prior to his purchase of Lincoln Savings.  The corruption was supposed to be that five sitting Senators confronted Federal regulators and basically bullied them to “shit or get off the pot.”  OTOH, if you were to invest in RE in AZ at the time, you would be smart to invest with one of Keating’s projects.  Deconcini owned vacant property all over the area here; I saw countless deeds with his name on them.  He was essentially a land speculator as well as a sitting Senator.  Our greatest industry in AZ is growth.  Also, consider the fact that a developer was once elected the Governor of the State (following the election of a used car salesman who was thrown out of office for making the state a laughingstock with his poor choices of words.)  That is, before he had to vacate his office due to corruption and fraud with his bank loans.  When you get into real estate dealings in this state, you’re really getting into the deep weeds.  I’m just not sure it’s productive enough!</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/21/mcvain-in-bed-with-lobbyists-frequently/#comment-1288029</link>
		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Situational ethics!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Situational ethics!</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/21/mcvain-in-bed-with-lobbyists-frequently/#comment-1288017</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;yup.  i’d hate to have their job.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yup.  i’d hate to have their job.</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/21/mcvain-in-bed-with-lobbyists-frequently/#comment-1288011</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;oh goodie!  me?  really?  graduate of all-grrrl Smith just a few yrs a’fore our heroine Christy? member of the “Vanguards” - a not so secret mounted drill team - also all grrrls, if ya don’t count the geldings.&lt;br /&gt;
mrowr!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hi Raven.  Howzat?!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh goodie!  me?  really?  graduate of all-grrrl Smith just a few yrs a’fore our heroine Christy? member of the “Vanguards” &#8211; a not so secret mounted drill team &#8211; also all grrrls, if ya don’t count the geldings.<br />
mrowr!</p>
<p>Hi Raven.  Howzat?!</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane has a new post up regarding the &lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/21/the-lobbyist-angle-and-the-stray-cock-express/#comment-1288006&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lobbyist Angle and the Stray Cock Express&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane has a new post up regarding the <a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/21/the-lobbyist-angle-and-the-stray-cock-express/#comment-1288006" rel="nofollow">Lobbyist Angle and the Stray Cock Express</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: HelplessDancer</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/21/mcvain-in-bed-with-lobbyists-frequently/#comment-1288009</link>
		<dc:creator>HelplessDancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know that I have posted this here before, but it is the best arguments against corporate speech that I have ever read.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=794785&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/pa....._id=794785&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that I have posted this here before, but it is the best arguments against corporate speech that I have ever read.<br />
<a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=794785" rel="nofollow">http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/pa&#8230;.._id=794785</a></p>
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		<title>By: ReneND</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/21/mcvain-in-bed-with-lobbyists-frequently/#comment-1288008</link>
		<dc:creator>ReneND</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;LOL. Watertiger has a great photoshop “hug” of Vicki and Mac.&lt;br /&gt;
Cannot find a way to post it here. Maybe someone with some skill….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL. Watertiger has a great photoshop “hug” of Vicki and Mac.<br />
Cannot find a way to post it here. Maybe someone with some skill….</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;claws &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sexism sexism!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>claws </p>
<p>Sexism sexism!</p>
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		<title>By: Sophist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sophist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wonder if there is going to be an attempt to spin this as ’smear’ against McCain, originating from Obama.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if there is going to be an attempt to spin this as ’smear’ against McCain, originating from Obama.</p>
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