NOTE: I’ll be on Air America with Rachel Maddow today.
Here’s my first question for all the media types who have been covering McCain: why is it that any negative story about his myriad lobbyist connections gets relegated to the back pages — the A17 story death knell? Anyone know — because I’d love to hear the scoop.
John McCain’s current campaign chair is none other than uber-lobbyist Rick Davis. A bit of background on Mr. Davis provides some context for how the Straight Talk Express is, and always has been, a sham. To wit:
– Rick Davis arranged a cocktail meet and greet with McCain and a Russian businessman, Oleg Deripaska, so controversial that the US has revoked his visa — at an economic conference in Switzerland. Davis’ lobbying firm was trying to secure business with the Russian at the time, while the firm was already representing a competing political interest in Ukraine.
Seven months later, in August 2006, Davis was present again at a social gathering that was also attended by McCain and Deripaska, this time in Montenegro, another Eastern European country in which Davis’s firm was working. The three were among a few dozen people dining at a restaurant during an official Senate trip….
Afterward, a group from the dinner took boats out to a nearby yacht moored in the Adriatic Sea, where champagne and pastries were served, partly in honor of McCain’s 70th birthday.
Salter said neither McCain nor Davis recalls Deripaska being on the yacht after dinner. (emphasis mine)
Cozy.
– Mr. Davis, while working with the McCain 2008 campaign, also managed to procure a fat internet services contract from the campaign and kept lobbying for clients whose interests were opposed to McCain’s own policy pronouncements.
…3eDC, a company he partly owns, had been retained by the campaign to provide Web services. Aides questioned whether Mr. Davis’s role in the company had been fully disclosed and said Mr. Weaver, having learned of the arrangement, had tried to end it.
All told, 3eDC billed the campaign more than $1 million for Web services during the first half of the year. (The amount still owed the company accounts for about a third of the campaign’s debt.) News reports also noted that Davis Manafort, the business development and consulting practice from which Mr. Davis is on leave, had been giving campaign advice to the Ukrainian prime minister, Viktor F. Yanukovich, a favorite of the Kremlin, whose power Mr. McCain often warns against.
Mr. Davis said in the interview that the 3eDC contract had been thoroughly vetted, with his role fully disclosed, and called any accusation that he had been trying to enrich himself “typical smear stuff.” He said he did not fight back against the accusation when it surfaced over the summer because he did not want the back-and-forth to distract from the campaign.
Gee, poor guy. It’s all just a misunderstanding I’m sure.
–Or not. It seems that Davis has quite a few money-scandal skeletons in his closet:
Davis is a particularly easy target, having several money-related scandals in his background. A veteran of the Reagan administration, Davis ran McCain’s presidential bid six years ago. He also founded a lobbying firm — Davis, Manafort Inc. — which has made at least $2.8 million lobbying Congress since 1998.
Over the past eight years, Davis’ two roles often overlapped. In 1999, while he was McCain’s campaign manager, his firm represented SBC Communications Inc. and Comsat Corp. At that time, both communications companies had controversial mergers pending at the Federal Communications Commission. The Senate Commerce Committee has legislative authority over the FCC, and McCain was chairman of that committee. Both mergers were eventually approved…. (emphasis mine)
But wait, there’s more…much, much more to come.




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President Bush responds to the attacks on the US embassy in Kososvo.
-G
you christy are on a roll
FYI gang — I’m going to be on with Rachel Maddow at 4 pm ET today.
chi
Okay, the Times says HIS OWN STAFF thought he was banging the lobbyist. Why hasn’t ANYONE in his circle from that time come out and said, “I don’t know what this story is talking about. Nobody ever said anything about this woman.”?
Excellent.
May I suggest FDL add a media alert box toward the top of the home page, so that you folks get the word out?
what has this president done to this country?…what kind of damage?, what has happened to our reputation?
where once respected, now reviled, where once admired, now abhorred, where once the disired, now the repugnant
how many generations will it take to regain what has been lost at the hands of one despot?
No, quite the opposite in fact. Not that they’ve said “he was doing her” but they’ve not denied the story.
Like the New Box with the headlines and stories that sits right under the most recent post on the front page all the time? Or something else that carries current news?
Added a note at the top of the post as a heads up — just found out on the timing when I posted the comment. But it’s a good idea to have it up top for people to see — thanks, eCAHN.
could you ask rachael how often she visits and if she would care to share her handle with us?
it might be nice to do a running thingy on the title bvar of teh response thread whenever one of you are making an appearance somewhere
Um, the Kosovo problem stems from Clinton, not Bush.
LOL — no. If she visits, and does so anonymously — as with any other person hanging out at FDL — it’s her business to tell everyone, not ours to dig at it. Everyone needs a place to vent or chat without outside pressures once in a while, eh?
Well, it probably wasn’t helped by Bush admin recognizing Kosovo independence the other day.
We as a country have not repudiated either the Republics or the Bush family. The generation count down cannot even start until those happen.
Impeach the criminals.
Here’s a question I haven’t seen addressed. If McCain’s campaign is so populated with lobbyist types, and if lobbyists are able to spread so much money around in so many disguised ways, why is he in money trouble? Seems to me that they should have bailed him out long ago.
Fair enough. I read somewhere that he did it deliberately to stick his thumb in Putin’s eye. Kosovo isn’t even independent in any meaningful sense. Very interesting rundown here
http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/…..-cunliffe/
ThinkProgress points out another McCain lie, and also that Paxson is Vicki Iseman’s oldest client, going back with her to 1998:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/…..est-money/
Very good Q.
I am wondering why Crazy Train isn’t way more upset about the MSM smearing his name. I hope this story has legs, and a whole lot of truth to it.
wow, what a great idea!!!
Thanks for always trying to give us a heads-up, Christy!
They blew through an enormous wad of cash early on in the campaign before the July staff turnover. A lot of his lobbying pals are maxed out — and the true believers on the Christian conservative side of things hate him, as do the wingnutty types. Which leaves corporate conservatives, most of whom think the smart money is on a Democratic candidate this year to win.
McCain’s just a bad bet for donations, thus they are struggling.
The level of Kabuki in this story is so high and rarified, sort of political double Kabuki, that it took me awhile to get it. Now, ‘Stray Cock Express’ John McCain’s reformer cred is on the line and a fit subject for discussion among serious people. There will be a struggle with the Very Serious Pundits and wingnut echo chamber to quash the whole story as a smear because of omission of the most of the naughty bits, but I assume they will not win that battle 100%.
But for me, it is like a dog watching TV. Unless my owner really explains the every detail I won’t get even the simpler things.
“Look Rex, Lassie gets bone! Lassie gets bone!”
My ears perk up and I jiggle my paws and go “woof” then everything descends into meaningless sound and motion again.
Who thought up “stray cock express” ? JH? Should get some kind of prize for that. I’ll send in… not sure what would ba appropriate. Whoever thought that up deserves a prize.
The big story on the whole Iseman-McCain scandal is that “Straight-Shootin” Johnny…supposedly so untainted by lobbyist money and favors contacted the FCC and tried to pressure the Commissioners to turn over a Public TV Station to a cabal of religious broadcasters (Paxson Communications). The PBS bigshots who ran the station wanted to do so for a cool $17 million, but the public in Pittsburgh were up in arms.
McCain weighed in on Paxson’s (the Religious Broadcasting magnate) side, after receiving campaign contributions and favors, and the attentions of Ms. Iseman. He sent letters to the FCC Commissioners asking them to deal with the Paxson application for WQEX-TV. But the pre-Powell FCC Director was a big supporter of Non-Commercial TV/Radio and with others on the Commission stated that any such Non-Commercial Station must have a substantial amount of its programming devoted to non-proslytizing, educational content.
The religious right, which had its eyes on the non-commercial sliver of the broadcast spectrum for some time saw the FCC ruling a direct threat on their moves. They then threatened to institute a bill which would entirely void, not only the “educational” aspects, from the sliver of spectrum reserved for public broadcasting, but also void the NON-COMMERCIAL aspect…allowing commercialization of the zone protected from such external influences on content.
The Right Wing Effort To Capture Non-Commercial Broadcasting
No, sorry. Nancy has removed impeachment and everyone gets a pardon by Jan 2009. Besides, there are important things for Congress to not accomplish, leaving no time for impeachment.
This whole thing smells to me like Rovian leaking. Get the skeleton out of the closet now, when everyone is distracted by the D primaries. Leak it to the Times (”bastion of liberal bias”), thereby ensuring that the wingers won’t believe a word of it. By the time the general election rolls around, this is old news, not an issue anymore. To dig it up again is to rehash a liberal media hit piece.
oops!
link please
The hunt to find or create Obama skeletons really ramped up today.
Thanks, that helps clarify it a lot. I guess I have heard about too much corporate money on the D side this time.
for instance, congress has to look into the nfl filming each others plays
very important stuff there
here’s an interesting thought;
filming teams is not against the law it’s against the rules
congress has NO jursdiction over one team breaking rules that don’t break the law
how do i hear you with rachel maddow? see you?
thanks to CHS and various commenters for background and context. The fog is lifting foe me.
Woof woof woof!
The Kosovo problem stems from Milosevitch and the Serbian nationalists reacting to the breakup of Yugoslavia…
…or, if you wish to go back even earlier…to the conversion of the inhabitants of that region to Islam by the Turks.
I bet they can milk the baseball-steroids stuff for a few more hearings.
this mccain story might help to get the skeletons released sooner rather then later
that would be a great thing, I am certain they have something they are waiting to unleash, probably a lie but they will be releasing something
hopefully that will happen now
never mind. i see that at the very top of the page there’s a link.
Clinton authorized the Kosovo War under the guise of NATO. The link at 19 contains some of the history, as well as a very importnat discussion of how much Kosovo is not a real country.
But that did not require U.S. to bomb Kosovo.
Where’s Slummy Joe? Shouldn’t they be trotting him out to defend his good friend John McCain any minute?
For every Kabuki play, there has to be a Geisha.
If you go to the Air America link above — they have a livestream of the show. You should be able to click it and play it live on your computer.
That AntiWar article is really good. Seems they are not finished spilling blood over there. Thanks for the heads up.
Then I’ll put off shopping for The Big Snow until after 4 pm.
I’m pretty much counting on an onslaught of lies about Obama. They want to keep him busy repudiating them while using them to shape a general bad feel to Obama.
But that would be assuming that Short Ride is actually principled.
wont miss it
Love the look on Lieberschmuck’s face in that pic.
OT CNN – chopper carrying 3 US senators (Kerry, Biden, Hagel) had to make emergency landing in Afghanistan.
thanx echan, reading now
revising an earlier comment:
McW: “I’d rather have a free bottle-blonde in front of me than a fee-frontal lobby-ectomy”
I know — bit constipated?
Hagel, Kerry, Biden I think in emergency helicopter landing in Afghanistan…
They okay? Someone fire on the chopper convoy — r ws there an injury that caused the emergency landing? Do you know?
that is what i said…the “sanctimonytwins”
errr…it’s a radio broadcast, can’t listen at work will ahve to listen later, thanx echan
Yes. I listen to stuff like that while scanning other sites.
They are all safe. It was in a snowstorm.
The wheels are coming off of everything.
-G
i watched the PBS program,on women,and childbirth in Afghanistan ,and almost resigned for good from the human race….sad,sad,sad….what have we wrought? if ilive to be 100….i shall never forget that program
Thanks — that’s pretty common this time of year. Good to know it wasn’t an injury issue then.
Freepers are rejoicing at US embassy attacks in Kosovo. It’s all The Clenis’s fault for helping Moose-lims.
-G
i believe over 350,000 head of cattle have died there,this winter as it was one of the harshest on record….relief for that country MUST happen quickly under President Obama
here in new york rachael is at 6 oclock on air america, I assume christy is on a differant show?
The first report made my veins feel like they were filled with ice water…shudder.
That another one of your true jokes? Like Bush recommending Pakistan keep his toadie Mush last night?
She may be guesting for someone — not positive. But I know I’ll be on live at 4 pm ET.
thanx, will hook up to air america
Seems like the straight talk express is clearly off it’s rails. McCain Loan raises FEC questions.
Guess he cannot be throwing zingers at Obama any longer since he has gone back on his public financing word.
Most of Europe (NATO) was disgusted at what Milosevich was doing in the Balkans and WERE seriously impacted by the Serbian nationalist intransigence and deceptions. When Yugoslavia existed, and under the guiding hand of Tito, there was the effort to balance Serbian nationalism with the other ethnicities. Kosovo was, in fact, an autonomous province.
When Milosevitch came in it was largely stripped of its political and governing institution, its educational system, and just about any other aspect of autonomy and infrastructure. The Kosovars established a “second state” in an effort to deal with this, but with the Serbs taxing on top of this and drafting young men to fight in their wars, as well as actively suppressing any sort of Kosovar political freedom by jailing (and executing) leaders it was going to be a failure.
I wonder how many States that “declare independance” have a full set of institutions when they first emerge. I suspect very few, unless they were “granted independence” by their former colonial power.
The fact that Kosovo has so little is actually an indictment on Serbia, I would think. When 70% of the adult population is unemployed there is something very wrong with the status quo.
Emptywheel is digging up all kinds of stuff…
WOMEN in Afghanistan
what our money could really do ther…instead of 2million dollar missles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUCEiHoQliU
Not to hijack the thread, but gotta respond to your link.
Um, Kosovo just became a sovereign state. Part of the EU? Sure. Dependent on multilateral institutions like the UN, NATO, and the OSCE? Yup. But pretty much every post-conflict country in the world is a weak state dependent on some form of foreign/international support. Cunliffe conflates two senses of ‘independence’: a country that is non-independent in the sense that it must rely on outsiders for political, military, security, and economic support can at the same time be independent in the sense of being a sovereign state. This is no small thing, given that the club of existing sovereign nations since the end of colonialism has been EXTREMELY reluctant to admit new members. That Kosovo made the transition is a very big deal, and it paves the way for other parts of the world where potentially independent regions are locked into tyrannical regimes they neither support nor participate in. Southern Sudan is an exceptional example.
NYT article is fundraising opportunity for McCain.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/179525.php
Local Air America outlets appear to have some latitude in scheduling network content. In DC, Maddow airs 7 a.m. to 9 a.m. Web access avoids the confusion.
Great question, Jim. Because my mind tends to lean towards the “conspiracy” side of things, my guess would be McCrazy is receiving money illegally under the table. Of course I could be wrong! LOL *adjusting tin foil hat*
Yeah, the Freepers and the wingnuts are going nuts about how the Serbs being hemmed in by Muslims and how Clinton should have just stayed out of the mess.
-G
Last night, trying to consider who was sufficient enemy of McCain, My mind came to focus on our old friend Jack Abramoff, now happily resident in a federal slammer. It was McCain who set off his outing with the Indian Casino gig — and I would imagine old Jack has enough information on other players in the Republican DC Consultant game, that he could encourage them to do unto McCain what had been done unto him. I think this is about revenge — which is what focused my brain on Abramoff. For the Times to move this story, there have to be real insiders giving up detail.
I read the Embasy was in Belgrade, Serbia. Not that it would make that much difference but, it makes a little more sense.
Limbaugh, Ingraham and the rest of the 19% Militia are manning the rhetorical barricades.
This is good for Republicans you know.
-G
I heard a story and am embarrassed I have neither link nor name but this was on cbs news radio
an american women was arrested for laughing in public with a man
arrested for laughing in public with a man
I believe that was afghanistan but am not sure, will hunt for link
Christy,
Do you need to tell Rachel just how much we appreciate her contribution to Cable News, or does she already know?
Just in case, would you please share our Love for her?
Hot, intelligent women — both of youse guys.
This, from a double nickels straight white chick. :o
Good gawd, you could very well be right. I just commented on my blog that I think the reason why the NYT went ahead with this story today is because…since the Drudge report on this story, they’ve taken the time to get themselves some evidence. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Abramoff is paying McCrazy back and it wouldn’t surprise me if the NYT will divulge the evidence at some point to show that McCrazy is lying.
Why did he hire an attorney right off the bat? That there is telling.
Here is another opposing view for you.
They may actually need rhetorical buckets to bail out the rhetorical rowboat.
Correction: Kosovo is not, of course, a member of the EU. It is, however, reveiving massive assistance and may eventually be considered a candidate for membership.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331254,00.html>ah, it was saudi arabia
women arrested for laughing and having coffee with a man in public
sick stuff here
Faux Spew just had a ‘Body Language’ Interpreter on to interpret McCain’s denial today… Of course, she determined that he was telling the truth…! Bwhahahaha…!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t…..321637.ece
I’d have to say that Serbia has had several shots at bringing Kosovo back into it’s fold as a semi-autonomous entity where the rights of both populations were protected. Milosevitch blew it, and Kostenica has also done nothing to indicate to the people of Kosovo that their status would change. The fact is, the Serbians have a very difficult time working together in any sort of multi-ethnic entity. It’s why the Slovenians left, the Croatians, the Bosnians and, eventually, that’s why the Macedonians split from the union as well. The Serbians always lorded over the others, and used the Russians as the big threat when the other nationalities decided to secede.
The fact that the Serbian nationalists are attacking border posts and the embassies of foreign nations in Belgrade (and not merely the US…these are technically attacks against the sovereign territories of those nations) is quite serious. Look back at when that happened in Islamabad and Teheran, and Tripoli in the late 1970’s.
Sick stuff by Bush family cronies.
Here’s a really dumb question for y’all. Here right now it’s 1:52. How long before Christy’s on? I don’t know whether it’d be 8 minutes, an hour and 8 minutes, or what. I always seem to be an hour later than what shows on the comments, so I’m easily confused.
I noticed a lot of Indian Reservations on Iseman’s list of Clients. So maybe you have something there. Or maybe it’s the Religious broadcasters (some irony there with Iseman playing Geisha to these “morally upright” groups that vilified Clinton)…who would prefer Huckabee to be the nominee.
hmmm
rhandi rhodes is live on air america, she’s always on till 6.
It’s the in a few minutes option. (I have time zone issues, too. *g*)
I’m listening to AA right now, and it’s the Randi Rhodes show…!
LMAO! Of course she did! Ya see, all jackboot lickers who support America’s Taliban (GOP and it’s members) look somber while drooling down their necks. This behavior always means they’re telling the truth. See?
The Serbs were never “hemmed in” by the Muslims. The States to the East, North and West were not Islamic, and they still had a long southern border (even excluding Kosovo) with Macedonia to the South.
That’s just bullsh*t.
McCain chaired a subcommittee with oversight on reservations issues. Question becomes was she influence peddling? Was he influence providing?
It’s murky in Foggy Bottom.
Checked the AA Web site too and they show her show as being on 6-8 p.m. also. Am listening now. Guess we’ll find out in 55 seconds or so.
I wanted her to interpret the look Cindy was giving… I could swear that her jaws muscles were clinched throughout… Could’ve been the botox, tho…
Cindy looked like a cyborg to me, pasty and flat.
Randi Rhodes just said “Stay tuned for another hour of the Randi Rhodes show.” Wish I knew what’s up! Thanks for letting me know it’ll be in just a few minutes, Christy, but is it possible that Rachel pre-records her shows, since she’s usually on TV at about the same time her show should be on. Could she have told you 4:00 because that’s when she needs you on the phone, but the show airs at 6:00 as the website says?
I wonder how she would explain this little nugget that TPM has uncovered:
“The statement goes out of its way to claim that no one from Alcalde and Fay had ever “personally asked” McCain to send the letter. The statement also says that while McCain’s staff had met with “representatives” from that firm, the staff had also met with activists who opposed the deal. Both camps wanted the issue resolved, and “both parties asked the staff to contact the FCC regarding the proceeding,” according to the statement.
There are a couple things wrong with that. For one, the lawyer who represented opponents of the deal told The Boston Globe back in 2000 that McCain’s letter was ” improper, unethical, violated FCC rules barring such contacts on pending FCC matters, and appeared designed to assist a major contributor.” It certainly doesn’t sound like she or her clients were consulted.
Back in 2000 the Washington Post wrote: As for the Paxson letter, McCain’s aides confirmed that he had written the missive at the request of Alcalde & Fay, the Washington lobbying firm retained by Paxson.
So he was clearly lying today.
This is probably correct (from mediamatters.org/altercation/):
Maybe — am on hold for Rachel right now…probably my misunderstanding.
Yeeks! That was a tough read. The Milosevic apologism was bad enough. He was a poor, misunderstood anti-insurrectionist? He relied a tad too heavily on military superiority instead of political skill? He was the architect of ethnic cleansing, his forces deliberately targeted civilians, and he has the signal dishonor of perfecting the modern (and increasingly popular) use of systematic rape as a tactic to subdue populations (something now recognized as a war crime and crime against humanity).
Russia (and China, by the way) oppose self-determination as a matter of principle? Indeed, but a bad one. Both countries have, shall we say, vested interest in barring the way for new independent sovereign staes. Chechnya, anyone? Tibet? Tiawan?
I aint taking the Freepers side.
Just reporting their lunacy.
=-G
Still Randi Rhodes on AAR via Web at 4:06 p.m. ET.
If I see or read another word about the thing being a “smear,” I’m gonna smack someone. If it’s the TRUTH, it’s not a smear.
Swiftboating was a smear, because it was a LIE. IF it’s the truth, it’s a revelation.
I fucking HATE all republicans.
Oh yes. That botox! Can’t tell if they’re mad, crying, or even alive sometimes. LOL
Conflict of interest is supposed to be unethical. It was. It has been eroding for years. Now, I don’t think anyone in congress knows what a conflict of interest means and why it is unacceptable. Here I am showing my age again but I remember when a person was compromised by conflict of interest they were disgraced and their career ruined.
If anyone knows how to reinstate conflict of interest please shed some light on this entrenched problem. I don’t even hear much opposition from the public never mind the congress and administration. It is out of control.
Is this the same jfaustus?
They never learn that we have the capability to fact check…!
Sounds vaguely familiar, but July was a long time ago! ;-)
Kidding aside, yup that was me.
All questions of Serb villainy aside, the bombing of Serbia must be seen in retrospect as a neocon/liberal hawk test run for the principle of “regime change” through war. It was Clinton’s war, but John McCain volubly criticized Clinton for not realistically threatening a ground invasion.
some other commenters:
Belgrade is the capital of Serbia! Why would Kosovars be attacking us? Jeez…
So…we’re all listening to Randi. And, that ain’t a bad thing.
You Know we’ll stick around for you.
Be your brilliant self.
Well, ya have another 45 mins to prepare… Ya know, fix your makeup and all…! ;-)
Are McCain’s troubles a sign of divine intervention on behalf of the Holy Huckster?
Interesting, thx.
CT… Hon, it’s RADIO!
It’s the outfit that makes you FEEL appropriate
Serbia may very well have a hard time in the near future if it doesn’t come to its senses. The EU has nearly completed an autobahn style transit route through Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria, that totally eliminates the need to transit Serbia to connect Greece with the rest of the EU both by road and train. Connections through Macedonia connect to Kosovo, Albania and Montenegro, and massive improvements in Croatian Road systems actually complete the encirclement of Serbia. In otherwords, the EU is now positioned to do very strong economic sanctions. My own read is that most members of the EU are fed up with Serbian Nationalism at least in current form, and they see Serbia as something of a pawn for Russia. They need a symbolic representation of the US (and NATO) in this, but they have their own strategy. The negotiations for permanent status of Kosovo have been going on since 1999, and Serbia hasn’t budged an inch.
that’s not a hickey, that’s an earmark
-Vicki Iseman
lol
LOL Preznit
+1 my only comment and obvious-It is all bullshit was, has been, and always will be.
Anything we can do to shine a light on the rats is what we should do, even if it is only talking to one person, we cannot permit these people another term of bad, hubris filled, mendacious crapola-ranted ended-carry on big g
Music is the best-fz
My bad — looks like it will be on later when Rachel’s show goes on….sorry gang!
When McCain speaks lower, slower & more measured is when I get the feeling he is lying his pants on fire.
Randi did a good job on the Rick Davis stuff.
Brendanx: “Belgrade is the capital of Serbia! Why would Kosovars be attacking us?”
That’s why I questioned the earlier comment of the embassy being in Kossovo. It being in Belgrade made more sense.
McCain and Iseman, may both say they never had a romantic relationship. However, have they denied having a physical one? Perhaps one where one kind of favor is exchanged for another kind? There’s no romantic requirement to practice the world’s oldest profession.
kinda like…I…did…not…have…sexual…relations…with…that…woman.
I await with bated breath…! (Course, I always anxiously await Rachel’s show) *g*
Power corrupts absolutely
Except Ron Paul.
You know, I almost really hope there isn’t a sex scandal in all of this with McCain. Because if there are tapes out there of his sweaty, heated phone conversations with this woman — like those incredibly oogy O’Reilly falafel ones — and we are forced to listen to them on the news, I may puke. Just ewwwwwww.
First of all, Christy, it is sooooo okay. Now, if you had an assistant and she or he didn’t get it right…well.
Two other points….are all singing along with Randi?
And, it’s seems we’ve lost some folks, maybe not, but we all know how to have several windows open at the same time, right?
Burn the tapes…! ;-)
Oh….ick!!! Wash your mouth out!! Ewwww…..
Bated breath And Perfect makeup?
Just kiddin’ ya.
Randi’s not yelling like she used to…that drove me nuts…
I hope you mention that when you’re on the air. It’s so true!
BTW, Redd, did the Peanut get snowed in again?
I’ll whip up some Chocolate Martinis to dull the pain … *g*
Chocolate with Gin? Ewww…!
I love randi no matter what she does
except when she has a concervative caller, she doesn’t handle them well
otherwise, I love her
Dood, trust me, they’re like rally rally gud !
No, the embassy that was attacked was the US one in Belograd. NPR has observers, along with some BBC help, and they report a huge anti-Independent Kosovo demo that morphed into an embassy attack. When it started the Serb police pulled out, and then returned in armored cars and ran off the demonstrators with tear gas. Demonstrators described as Football Hooligans, all male, aged between 16 and 30. Apparently one floor was burned out.
… and I always use Vodka instead of Gin …
Hey tw3k, those bits on GG could give a mistaken impression of me as a troll (as opposed to someone with a reallyreally sarcastic sense of humor), so to be clear about my views:
I am deeply ambivalent about ‘humanitarian intervention’ (read: military strikes). On the one hand I believe deeply in the mission of the United Nations, particularly Chapter VII — the maintenance of international peace and security. The controversy over ‘humanitarian intervention’ comes when the international community responds to entirely internal conflicts with military force (when conflicts spill over national borders, no one really disagrees with joining the invaded nation. It’s called collective self-defense).
A point in favor of such a use of force, in my mind, is that it recognizes that dictators can’t break international human rights law and international humanitarian law as they please and forestall consequences by claiming that it’s just an internal matter. Read Romeo Dallaire and ask yourself if an unbending principle of non-intervention was worth 800,000 Rwandese lives. I’ve been there, seen the mass graves, spent time in one of the prisons talking to unrepentant genocidaires. I would have intervened.
On the other hand, history since the air campaign in Kosovo and Serbia has shown that ‘humanitarian intervention’ hands an excuse to despots like Bush to go haring off willy-nilly into whatever country they want. Bad, bad, bad idea. I opposed the Iraq war from the outset, still do, and always will.
Because my ambivalence only extends to truly multilateral instances of miliary intervention into the ‘internal’ affairs of a sovereign. In other words, I am totally opposed to such intervention unless it comes as the decision of a multilateral body like the UN, the African Union, or the Organization of American States — in which case I shift from opposed to ambivalent.
I could say a lot more but this is already too long, and OT to begin with…
I’ll take your word on it! But, I’ll pass… *g*
This was a neurastheniac honey trap of the first water.
No way does this lobbyist not do McCain to the moon and back.
I thought you made that up, but nooooo:
http://images.jupiterimages.co…..260118.jpg
Can you guys believe what a liar this guy is? Check out this article, it points out the “liar’s tells” that McCain clearly exhibits.
2 hour delay this morning, but they had school. Which is why I had time to do some research today. *g*
Listening since the top of the present hour – did I miss it?
Randi just said sex and McCain in the same sentence is impossible…the ick factor…
Is she reading along….
Chawklit martinis is gooooooooooooood.
You make those with vodka — no gin. That would be icky. Chocolate liqueur, vodka, and I don’t remember what else. Had one as a dessert cocktail once and it was not half bad…
I googled it and got the Godiva (!) recipe. It sounds good. I may try it.
Would you trust an Indian/Canadian with a Valley Girl accent?
I’ll meditate on that one.
(Hi Petro!) And, make-up is the new Nails. Ha!
Nah — it was my error. They taped me at 4, but it won’t be on until Rachel’s show comes on later today. My bad — so sorry.
Lying since the 1980’s – a new campaign slogan.
ROFL
((((( Demi )))))
McCain is a psychopathic liar. It is so natural to him. He doesn’t even know a lie from a lie never mind the truth. Truth, lie so what’s the difference?
Ahh, so you won’t be live then? What was the topic?
Try it with Vanilla Vodka …
I peek into the thread and it’s all chocolate, and I had just sent this to my boss:
Devil’s Food Cupcakes with Marshmallow Frosting
my very bad.
Nothing get’s past you.
You’re smokin’.
Hmmmmmm?
that sounds even better. thanks
Cozy Fawn Tooty
I don’t bogart, tho… Here…! ;-)
“Cozy Fawn Tooty”? Is that Italian for “all Republicans are like this”?
So now I’m back to my original time confusion. Let me guess, that would be in 9 minutes? Or one hour and 9 minutes? Randi’s show should be over in 9 minutes, but I don’t know if you will be on at the start of Rachel’s show or not.
I CHOOSE TO BELIEVE THIS STORY (from all the in-depth stories I’ve heard about the incidents) ABOUT THE FEMALE LOBBYIST AND I’M DISGUSTED THAT THERE IS NO TRUSTWORTHY POLITITION IN McCAIN AND EVEN OBAMA AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED. THE WORDS WE WANT TO HEAR COME OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS BUT IF THEIR NOSES GREW WITH EACH LIE, ONLY THEN WOULD I BELIEVE OR NOT BELIEVE THEM.
Treat friends like ya wanna be treated.
Dude.
OT,
A friend just send me a wonderful email of pics of obama from a child. I wan to email them to the Lake. Is there an email addy?
Cozy Fawn Tweety!
my head hurts
No problem – being spurred to listen to Randi Rhodes is a winning situation no matter what the reason…
Kelli, kindly turn down the volume on your television set.
Goddamn, Kelli! We are blind, not deaf.
Now, whose hand is that on my Cozy Fawn Tooty?
ifaustus, I think with regard to Serbia you have to add it up. First in 89 a short war with Slovinia, then a much longer war with Croatia, involving serb ethnic cleansing of Croatians from the Krajina, subsequently the laying waste to towns in Slavonia, followed by the Bosnian war, fought with several proxi militias — and only then do you get to Kosovo. Serbia has in fact lost four wars since 1989 — at some point it has to become apparent that the rest of Europe is not attracted to the cause for which the Serbs fought.
Now, whose hand is that on my Cozy Fawn Tooty?
digitally speakig, that’s not my Cheating Five, honest!
Rachel Maddow should be on between 6 and 8 p.m. ET if you’re listening by way of the AAR Web page. If it’s over your local AAR radio station, check its particular schedule.
Serbia has always been a problem for Europe, after all, it was a Serbian Separatist that assassinated the ArchDuke Ferdinand that triggered WW I…
Sara: Not sure what you’re getting at. Do you mean that the rest of Europe is unfairly targeting Serbia with a series of small- to medium-sized wars? Or do you mean that Kosovo was the culmination of years of Serbian bad behavior and the NATO intervention (in defiance of the UN Security Council) is therefore worthy of approval?
I’m reading you as saying the latter, in which case I agree and at disagree at the same time. On the one hand, clear war crimes and crimes against humanity by Serbia. So clear case for intervention. *BUT* the UN didn’t come on board (thanks, Russia) which made it a NATO decision. NATO is not the kind of multilateral institution I want making decisions about military interventions in countrues. Its representation is insufficiently diverse, and it’s primarily a military — not political — outfit.
Thanks for the laughs guys ands gals
Botox uber alles
stiff upper lip what!
Lobbyists do wear make-up
Even,gasp, some of the men in tights
Just an articulate spokesman of Democrat policy. I oppose your view but would be glad to hear more.
Since this thread isn’t the active one feel free to go on.