Here's a bit of a McCain-free break for you all, switching the spotlight for a moment to one of the few politicians who might be willing to swap his or her current situation for St. John's. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign has reached the point where people are rushing to write its obituary, or at least politely offering to arrange for last rites.
The journalistic bard of Democratic political travails, Adam Nagourney, summed up the situation in the New York Times this morning:
When Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton meets Senator Barack Obama at a one-on-one debate in Austin on Thursday night, one of her final opportunities to change the course of the race for the Democratic presidential nomination, she will again face the challenge that has repeatedly stymied her: how to discredit her popular opponent without hurting herself.
Even now, after a string of defeats, her advisers are divided over how to proceed as they head toward what could be her last stands, in Ohio and Texas on March 4.
Some — led by Mark Penn, her chief strategist — have been pushing Mrs. Clinton to draw sharper and deeper contrasts with Mr. Obama, arguing that she has no other option, campaign officials said.
Others, particularly Mandy Grunwald, her media adviser, have pushed for a less aggressive approach, arguing that attacks would not help Mrs. Clinton’s campaign in an environment in which she is increasingly appearing to struggle, aides said.
This latest division within the campaign reflects intense frustration among Mrs. Clinton’s advisers as they look for ways to turn around their campaign against Mr. Obama, an opponent whose appeal and skills as a candidate caught them by surprise. So far, her own positive message has been outshone by his, and every line of attack on him has fallen short, fizzled or backfired.
. . . Mrs. Clinton woke up Wednesday to the realization that she had lost nearly every advantage she once could claim over Mr. Obama: money, momentum, a lead in national polls and an edge in delegates. Polls suggest that Democrats now view Mr. Obama as more electable than Mrs. Clinton. After her ninth and 10th defeats in a row on Tuesday in Wisconsin and Hawaii, Mrs. Clinton is running out of time.
How did it come to this? Plenty of credit has to go to Obama's chart-breaking combination of charisma, fundraising ability and organization, but then again, all that seemed to be doing him little good last fall -- a time when Clinton seemed to fit the profile that Democratic voters were looking for in hiring a presidential nominee. In sensing the initiative shift just before the Iowa caucuses, I tried to explain:
The problem is that, to quote myself from November, "her rationale is her experience, combined with her ability to take a punch" -- and she never fully regained her stride from the first punch she took from Obama and Edwards, the charges that she was too close to the current power structure to change it effectively.
. . . Because people tend to prefer an impractical plan for doing the right thing versus a practical plan for doing the wrong thing, Clinton's failure to silence the doubts about her passion and commitment has left the door open to her challengers.
Of course, this changed somewhat when Hillary did show some passion just before the New Hampshire primary -- but even as the results came in, I cautioned that she hadn't solved the entire problem:
. . . my line on Hillary has been that voters don't doubt her experience or knowledge of the issues; what they fear she lacks is the passion and commitment to fight (rather than fold, compromise, or otherwise do the politically safe thing) when the going gets tough.
Yesterday she showed the passion, so in her moment in the spotlight tonight (and/or in the days ahead) she needs to underline her commitment. If you see or hear her say something to the effect of "If you give me a chance, I will not let you down!" when she addresses her supporters, you'll know people on her strategy team agree.
To put it briefly, the moment I called for never happened. If you peruse Clinton's campaign ads, you'll see how they clearly focus on communicating "Message: I Care" rather than the can-do, gritty nature I thought was her advantage back in November. Perhaps it's the fault of having a campaign run by a pollster, but you can sense the desire to boost the numbers on particular survey questions ("... cares about the issues important to me...") rather than deliver the core rationale of why she should be elected President at this time.
Back in September, I needled Obama's high-flown messaging by saying, "the country [is] stuck in the ditch in any number of painful ways. So the candidate people are likely to vote for is the one who gives the best sense of being ready to roll up their sleeves and start digging us out. And to a country that feels stuck in a ditch, the guy in the impeccably clean shirt telling us that the real solution is to 'redefine the relationship between your car and the road' probably isn't going to get a great reception."
The epitaph for Hillary Clinton's campaign should be that to a country that feels stuck in a ditch, telling us how she hears our voices isn't much good either. We don't want a candidate that feels our pain -- we want one who's going to pull us out of the ditch. Because she forgot to make that commitment, Democrats went with the guy who did, no matter how suspiciously clean his shirt was.
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did i even get that right?
Good grief: on Hardball [what a misnomer!!], Andrea Mitchell, David Gregory & Tweety are all talking about how the NYT story will rebound to McCain’s benefit [because of course it’s not true].
Maybe Hillary could get these weenies to revive her campaign.
Irony of ironies — Hillary Clinton has gotten more primary votes than any Democratic Presidential candidate in history — except for Barack Obama.
I don’t think Mark Penn is helping Clinton’s campaign.
He runs a nasty campaign, and his anti-union history might have lost a few biiig endorsements for Clinton..
Keep everything the same, but change McCain’s party affiliation to Democrat and those three would immediately take the opposite position. The feeding frenzy would be well underway.
I agree — I think Penn has a remarkably tin ear for the public mood.
I hear that even Rush & Huck are defending McCain … wonder what’ll happen when NYT produces incontrovertible evidence …
It’s not that she is losing, it is that Obama is winning. People want to break the pattern.
I see Hillary’s present problem stemming from the superficial picking at Obama. Not that what she says isn’t true, it is - but she should be sticking to the big facts that will disturb normal voters like he has only showed up half the time to vote on important senate issues. We pay him to be a Senator yet he isn’t doing his job. This is important to most folks and makes him look like a hipocrite (and when he is voting, I expect a YES or NO vote - not a PRESENT vote.
McCain has also not been their to vote and IMO if you can’t do your job while running for President - you don’t deserve either job.
Be careful here … you’re suggesting that Obama’s support/character is superficial …
sorry, that should have been a question … “are you suggesting …?”
Of course it will. That’s why the cons put it out there in the first place, no?
If Clinton says the words “proud of my country” in tonight’s debate..I will puke.
I liked her better when she stuck to the issues.
Her record of supporting the Chimpy McClusterfuck war effort is certainly evidence enough that she indeed, lacks passion on the really relevant issues of the day.
She’s folded like a circus tent to the repukes far too often to be trusted to do the right thing, now.
Obama is eating her lunch and while i have serious and substantive differences with him, it’s nothing compared to the dichotomy between HRC’s positions and mine.
Let’s just hope they can. Let’s hope that they haven’t been punked in the Rovian sense.
When did evidence ever make a Republic turn away from the party line? Besides, McCain can get the Huckster cleanse him in a holy way. It’ll be costly, but I’m sure the Huckster is for sale.
I’d like to point out that Sen. Susan Collins of Maine has never missed a vote and she’s over 80% aligned with George Bush’s policies. See? Sometimes it’s not always a good thing to show up to vote. It can hurt the country. ;-)
Or perhaps there is a perfectly reasonable and rational built-in dislike of the DLC Clintons within the Democratic Party. No DLC candidates for me, please.
The other issue important for Hillary to point out about OBAMA is asking to him to list his Senate accomplishments and to explain exactly how much involment was his, and the outcome of those deeds.
Writing two books IMO isn’t such a great accomplishment unless he won awards for them.
Mark Penn is the reason why Clinton’s campaign is failing.
Her stance on the AUMF and Iraq occupation was the deal-breaker for me. I don’t want another President who can’t acknowledge that they made a mistake.
I’m not impressed by Obama, and I’m still voting for Edwards in the Ohio primary, if only to let the front-runners know they have yet to give me any inclination to vote for either…
How many more Dem debates will there be before the convention ?
Or perhaps he should ask her why she co-sponsored a disgusting flag burning bill with a Republican.
Maybe he’ll show up with that Grammy … *g*
We’ve got a list here somewhere of his accomplishments in the Senate. You might want to look it over.
Anybody have it handy???
“Ex-Ohio Lawmaker Ney in Halfway House“
I predict he’ll be a featured political commentator on Fox before the month is out…
I would think they’ve had their attorneys go over this with a fine tooth comb, esp. after Judy and Rathergate …
One too many?
I think that there are two scheduled, one for tonight.
I think she’s going to eat his lunch tonight.
Mark Penn is a symptom of why her campaign is failing. The DLC-style politics of the 90’s have been eclipsed by the war, the blogosphere, and the election of 2006. She’s running the old campaign, staffed by veterans of the old wars (Penn). So it’s not terribly surprising that she’s falling behind.
Hah … that’s exactly what I was thinking … not sure these debates will benefit Obama …
He can take it.
Good grief: on Hardball [what a misnomer!!], Andrea Mitchell, David Gregory & Tweety are all talking about how the NYT story will rebound to McCain’s benefit [because of course it’s not true].
Not surprising given how horrible that NYT article is. It never should have mentioned the sex angle because they included no evidence. It’s a very irresponsible article. Emptywheel’s articles are much better than what the NYT published.
She’d better … her campaign seems to be running short of Lunch money … *g*
I am so glad I was able to caucus for Edwards. I was disappointed with his departure. Obama had clearly gained the upper edge with Edwards leaving. HRC is too triangulating for me.
I still would rather have a Senator vote all the time (even if those votes oppose my own ideals) because that shows me they take serious the job the have been assigned to do. Or they could leave their Senate position (as some have). It just bothers me that they want to run for President and if they don’t make it they still have a sweet position to go back to. A good idea if you are selfish.
I hope not. He’s so rail thin, he needs all the nourishment he can get.
I’ve said this before…and some folks don’t agree.
He’s a great speech-giver.
Eloquent even, I suppose.
But, I’ve always thought she is a better debater.
(And, CT, don’t even go there with the master stuff….)
sad but true
I suspect the NYT hasn’t been punked, which is why MSNBC seems be be going into overtime to discredit the whole thing. I turned on “Morning Joe” briefly this morning and the near-panic underlying his dissing of the NYT was almost funny. The amount of energy being expended to scold the NYT for printing such a story, on the front page no less, makes me think that someone is Very Worried that the story is true and can be proven to be true and that we’ve only seen the tip of the iceberg.
Hillary has one trump card … Rezko … and if there is nothing there, it’s over …
Here’s one:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo...../36/458633
There are others. Also, his “Plan” and “Issues” page on his Web site are extremely detailed, much more than Hillary’s, and have been for many months now. If people would spend 10 seconds looking on their own instead of repeating BigMedia talking points, they’d know this. Just a suggestion….
If you’re gonna pick one issue as a litmus test, why go with voting frequency? How about the war, torture, illegal wiretapping, the unitary executive, or LGBQT rights?
Yeah, it’s now or never. I know she doesn’t want to come across as mean, so she’ll have to walk a tightrope. It will be interesting!
One of the many things Obama has going for him is that Americans get tired of and bored with people. We like change and every so often the mood is “I don’t care who’s running, I just want something different.” I have seen it many times and I’m sure it will continue.
I’m taking off…see ya.
I was bummed that Edwards had dropped out before my caucus… But, Obama/Clinton did shatter our caucus turnout records! *g*
Speaking of Emptywheel,
She is on fire today. Check out her latest Catch-22 tribute.
I agree. I also am tired of this Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton treadmill. The Republic Clinton Hate Machine is well rested. Who wants to hear them night after night again?
Aloha, Master…! ;-)
Do you think she’ll bring that up? I think she only brought that up last time in self defense when he hit her with the Walmart Board issue, IIRC. I don’t think she’ll use that except in self defense.
You……!!!
(hugs)
*g*
I voted for EDWARDs and cannot replace him with OBAMA. OBAMA wants to push more Nuclear Power Plants - Edwards wanted other alternative energy. I just can’t compromise that much. Plus I liked EDWARDS stance on Illegal Immigration; not at all like OBAMAs. Too many differences for me.
I’d rather vote for HUCKABEE (he’s actually a very interesting and talented person) as it turns out.
Huh. Edwards to Mike Applebee’s. Haven’t heard that one before. Brava!
keep your voice down, please?
IMO - the NYT reporter and Editor are impeccable. Say goodbye to McCain.
I’d rather vote for HUCKABEE (he’s actually a very interesting and talented person) as it turns out.
Sure, if you like your government, church and industry all rolled into one entity, he’s a great guy.
Do you think she’ll bring that up?
Perhaps she’ll borrow Lanny Davis’ theme and pronounce herself Lieberman’s mentee.
oooooh, shmuchabee? def kewl. he would turn us into a theocracy just like god meant and then we could throw out all the muslims, and jews, and buddhitst, and hindus, and unitarians, and bahai, and catholics, and wicca, and atheists, and agnostics.
ooooooooooo, wait. My partner and daughter are jews. I’m an atheist. My friends are a motley collection of atheists, jews, buddhists, christians, and muslims. Maybe i should vote for a sane person who believes in democracy instead of a religious demagogue.
Sometimes it’s hard to sort out the symptoms from the causes.
Clinton and Obama debate tonight
12 days remain until Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island and Vermont primaries
We in this house hope our candidates makes us proud tonight. We veiw Hillary and Obama as “our” candidates. They are afterall, both Democrats.
It’s funny you should say your tired of Bush/Clinton, Bush/Clinton, because Jeb Bush (the ex-gov. of Florida & as every knows Georges brother) - who stunk at Governor - is waiting in the wings for his chance at the gold ring.
That’s the good thing about being an Independant; you choose the best person for the job - rather than sticking to A PARTY.
And, as I’ve taken to reminding people, Chelsea will be 35 years old and eligible to run in 2016. :)
I hope you are right. I hope that they have the goods. If they don’t its going to turn into another RatherGate.
You always seem to have a positive attitude!
Would Applebee’s make us do that thing with the snakes? Snakes scare me. Maybe Shucksabee can run with Bill Keller as his VP? They both show up and are impeccable, and pretty cool I might add. I know.
McCain. Another example of compassionate conservatism. You bettcha.
Except that if he’s the cause, then she just needs a new consultant. If he’s the symptom, then we need another candidate.
Words you won’t here from the Solooooshuns ‘Get Real’Senatortonight:
1) Tony Rezko or slum lord or poker game or voted yes (Hillary has never and would never understand the rules of the Illinois Senate)
2) Michigan and Florida
3) I’m releasing the contributors to the Clinton museum
4) I’m releasing the 1.6 million health care documents from my failed effort in the 1990’s
5) Hey–lemme tell yall ’bout this hot tip I have in Cattle futures that will solve your mortgage problems
6) mining deal
7) Pardon for Mark Rich after $400,000 bribe/contribution to the Clinton library
8) Let’s talk about my votes on Iraq, Kyle-Leiberman, and against the Levin amendment
9) My vote to stall earmark legislation
9) Here’s the specifics on how I’ll punish the people that don’t carry insurance.
It’s a little much to expect Hillary to grasp that people without insurance are already punished with death sentences
ColorectalCancer Screening Rates Still Fall Far Short of Recommended Lebels; 77.1% of uninsured don’t get the major screening procedure
The Quest for Healthcare Walter Shaprio Salon
Clinton has constantly thrown a number at Obama–15 million. It is Clinton’s contention that under Obama’s plan (as if any of their plans could get through congress without being changed to the unrecognizable) 15 million adult Americans would be uninsured.
TY. ;0)
The Bride keeps telling me that she worries about Obama’s lack of experience.
I tell her that I think that’s a good thing at this particular point in history. He will have greatness thrust upon him.
If you liked Edwards but may vote for Huck, what is it that you believe is good for the country? I really don’t understand.
Chelsea is an exceptional person it seems to me, given the world she was born in. But please Swopa, No mas!
I didn’t get my first choice either, Edwards, but that’s the way the cookie crumbles. Now I have two choices, Hillary or Obama. No Repug NeoCon, no matter the costume, is an option. At the moment it looks like Obama and if the selection goes for him, I’ll back him. It isn’t his job to be all I want him to be so I can sit back and wake up in another four years. Hillary or Obama is the start of my activity. It is my democratic responsibility to hold the next president’s feet to the fire.
Can I influence Obama? Can I influence Hillary? I can. Can I influence any Repug? No. I’ve been trying for nearly eight years. Nada. I’m the invisible citizen.
Oooooh…kay.
Neil:
Hill/Obama, you got
the weight on your shoulders
That’s breaking your back.
Your Cadillac
has got a wheel in the ditch
And a wheel on the track
if u r scared of snakes its bc ur faith is weak. u have to handle snakes 2 vote bc only the faithfull can vote cuz gawd said so in shmuckabees head.
Okay, I’m back. Put a pot of coffee on instead of a nap, ’cause I wanna hear Christy.
To this point
he would turn us into a theocracy just like god meant
Do you have a link? ‘Cause I don’t know that what you say is true.
Actually, there aren’t any candidates that I agree 100% with, and except for a couple of Really Big things, I happen to like Huckabee.
Kelli, you seem to be new, ’cause I haven’t seen you before, but, you’ve got balls, I’ll say that.
Oh please, baby, please, please, please!
When and if Chelsea decides to run for President I’d like to know what her qualifications are besides being 35 years of age and American.
She’s refusing to talk to the press just as her mom did before Iowa. Would she start talking to the press between age 27 and 35–this includes a 4th grader from Scholastic Magazine (”My Weekly Reader.”
She has a job with a hedge fund gotten for her by her mommy and her daddy managed by a large Clinton contributor.
Speaking of Lanny, he sure has a doozy up at HuffingPo. Says we should lay off his buddy St. John, since John Boy’s actually a good guy, and us Liberals would know that if we’d grow up a little and get to know him. Also, what’s so bad about lobbyists, right? I tried playing a drinking game when reading, and took a shot every time he wrote “I” in the piece referring to himself. Just got back from the hospital….yeesh….now I can read the second half (without tequila this time)…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....87788.html
Try to imagine a McCain world. Should this person win.
She also has 8 years in the WH, same as her Mother…! *g*
Geez, Pete, do you also have to attack Chelsea? She should not be talking to the press - she does not need to be making policy statements for her mother. She is not the candidate.
John McCain found in bed with Mark Foley, base rallies to his support.
-G
Watch your phraseology:
Now that’s just great writing.
I heard some audio of Chelsea speaking the other day, and let’s just say I don’t think we have to worry about her ever running. She’s probably wicked smart, but can’t see her getting people fired up.
ROFL
Fucker and Scarborough would support him, anyway.
Will there be more Repug debates and will they all be at The Raygun Cathedral ?!!
Chelsea is fair game for scrutiny. She’s out there on the campaign trail and I was responding to a suggestion she run for President.
Chelsea has been very selective as to what venues she speaks at. One of the venues she will not go near is her own alma mater Stanford University. That’s strange.
Chelsea has a job for which she has no qualifications or training with a $130-150,000 salary she would not get near if she weren’t Chelsea Clinton.
Why in the world should she be refusing all interviews if she’s out on the campaign trail?
I coulda sworn it was him and Wide Stance in a stall, no wait, that’ll be while both are awaiting transport to the convention…! Stay tuned…!
In our home we believe strongly, that should he become the next president, Mr. McCain will prove even less digestible than our present prez. The situation is grave. It is imperative to rid ourselves of Republicans in the White House. And I think in the end, we will prevail. Either HRC or Obama will eat McCain’s lunch.
Independant?
Gone from Edwards to Huckabee?
And when Huckabee drops out, you’ll change to backing MILEY CYRUS?
I give up. You are going to hate all the Clintons no matter what. enjoy
That’s where Obama wanted to have the debate tonight, but Hil wouldn’t go for it.
Twain, I’ll vote for Hill in November if she is the Nominee…! And vote I will… *g*
Would be that were true … the Repugs would combust at a Dems debate in the HolyLand …
He needed help poling.
-G
I saw that “if” Buddy … losing the faith, eh ? *g*
Me, too. And proudly.
707! ;-)
Demi, I was exaggerating for effect. I do not think Huckabee will actually seek to dismantle constitutional democracy and install a formal theocracy. I *do* think he’ll attempt to impose fundamentalist Christian values through the federal government, while maintaining he veneer of a separation of church and state. Gotta run now, and relieve the babysitter, but once I’m logged in at home I’ll dig up some of the video of him making outrageously anti-homosexual and anti-feminist statements in the name of Jesus.