Here’s a bit of a McCain-free break for you all, switching the spotlight for a moment to one of the few politicians who might be willing to swap his or her current situation for St. John’s. Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign has reached the point where people are rushing to write its obituary, or at least politely offering to arrange for last rites.
The journalistic bard of Democratic political travails, Adam Nagourney, summed up the situation in the New York Times this morning:
When Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton meets Senator Barack Obama at a one-on-one debate in Austin on Thursday night, one of her final opportunities to change the course of the race for the Democratic presidential nomination, she will again face the challenge that has repeatedly stymied her: how to discredit her popular opponent without hurting herself.
Even now, after a string of defeats, her advisers are divided over how to proceed as they head toward what could be her last stands, in Ohio and Texas on March 4.
Some — led by Mark Penn, her chief strategist — have been pushing Mrs. Clinton to draw sharper and deeper contrasts with Mr. Obama, arguing that she has no other option, campaign officials said.
Others, particularly Mandy Grunwald, her media adviser, have pushed for a less aggressive approach, arguing that attacks would not help Mrs. Clinton’s campaign in an environment in which she is increasingly appearing to struggle, aides said.
This latest division within the campaign reflects intense frustration among Mrs. Clinton’s advisers as they look for ways to turn around their campaign against Mr. Obama, an opponent whose appeal and skills as a candidate caught them by surprise. So far, her own positive message has been outshone by his, and every line of attack on him has fallen short, fizzled or backfired.
. . . Mrs. Clinton woke up Wednesday to the realization that she had lost nearly every advantage she once could claim over Mr. Obama: money, momentum, a lead in national polls and an edge in delegates. Polls suggest that Democrats now view Mr. Obama as more electable than Mrs. Clinton. After her ninth and 10th defeats in a row on Tuesday in Wisconsin and Hawaii, Mrs. Clinton is running out of time.
How did it come to this? Plenty of credit has to go to Obama’s chart-breaking combination of charisma, fundraising ability and organization, but then again, all that seemed to be doing him little good last fall — a time when Clinton seemed to fit the profile that Democratic voters were looking for in hiring a presidential nominee. In sensing the initiative shift just before the Iowa caucuses, I tried to explain:
The problem is that, to quote myself from November, "her rationale is her experience, combined with her ability to take a punch" — and she never fully regained her stride from the first punch she took from Obama and Edwards, the charges that she was too close to the current power structure to change it effectively.
. . . Because people tend to prefer an impractical plan for doing the right thing versus a practical plan for doing the wrong thing, Clinton’s failure to silence the doubts about her passion and commitment has left the door open to her challengers.
Of course, this changed somewhat when Hillary did show some passion just before the New Hampshire primary — but even as the results came in, I cautioned that she hadn’t solved the entire problem:
. . . my line on Hillary has been that voters don’t doubt her experience or knowledge of the issues; what they fear she lacks is the passion and commitment to fight (rather than fold, compromise, or otherwise do the politically safe thing) when the going gets tough.
Yesterday she showed the passion, so in her moment in the spotlight tonight (and/or in the days ahead) she needs to underline her commitment. If you see or hear her say something to the effect of "If you give me a chance, I will not let you down!" when she addresses her supporters, you’ll know people on her strategy team agree.
To put it briefly, the moment I called for never happened. If you peruse Clinton’s campaign ads, you’ll see how they clearly focus on communicating "Message: I Care" rather than the can-do, gritty nature I thought was her advantage back in November. Perhaps it’s the fault of having a campaign run by a pollster, but you can sense the desire to boost the numbers on particular survey questions ("… cares about the issues important to me…") rather than deliver the core rationale of why she should be elected President at this time.
Back in September, I needled Obama’s high-flown messaging by saying, "the country [is] stuck in the ditch in any number of painful ways. So the candidate people are likely to vote for is the one who gives the best sense of being ready to roll up their sleeves and start digging us out. And to a country that feels stuck in a ditch, the guy in the impeccably clean shirt telling us that the real solution is to ‘redefine the relationship between your car and the road’ probably isn’t going to get a great reception."
The epitaph for Hillary Clinton’s campaign should be that to a country that feels stuck in a ditch, telling us how she hears our voices isn’t much good either. We don’t want a candidate that feels our pain — we want one who’s going to pull us out of the ditch. Because she forgot to make that commitment, Democrats went with the guy who did, no matter how suspiciously clean his shirt was.
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zed?
did i even get that right?
Good grief: on Hardball [what a misnomer!!], Andrea Mitchell, David Gregory & Tweety are all talking about how the NYT story will rebound to McCain’s benefit [because of course it’s not true].
Maybe Hillary could get these weenies to revive her campaign.
Irony of ironies — Hillary Clinton has gotten more primary votes than any Democratic Presidential candidate in history — except for Barack Obama.
I don’t think Mark Penn is helping Clinton’s campaign.
He runs a nasty campaign, and his anti-union history might have lost a few biiig endorsements for Clinton..
Keep everything the same, but change McCain’s party affiliation to Democrat and those three would immediately take the opposite position. The feeding frenzy would be well underway.
I agree — I think Penn has a remarkably tin ear for the public mood.
I hear that even Rush & Huck are defending McCain … wonder what’ll happen when NYT produces incontrovertible evidence …
It’s not that she is losing, it is that Obama is winning. People want to break the pattern.
I see Hillary’s present problem stemming from the superficial picking at Obama. Not that what she says isn’t true, it is – but she should be sticking to the big facts that will disturb normal voters like he has only showed up half the time to vote on important senate issues. We pay him to be a Senator yet he isn’t doing his job. This is important to most folks and makes him look like a hipocrite (and when he is voting, I expect a YES or NO vote – not a PRESENT vote.
McCain has also not been their to vote and IMO if you can’t do your job while running for President – you don’t deserve either job.
Be careful here … you’re suggesting that Obama’s support/character is superficial …
sorry, that should have been a question … “are you suggesting …?”
Of course it will. That’s why the cons put it out there in the first place, no?
If Clinton says the words “proud of my country” in tonight’s debate..I will puke.
I liked her better when she stuck to the issues.
Her record of supporting the Chimpy McClusterfuck war effort is certainly evidence enough that she indeed, lacks passion on the really relevant issues of the day.
She’s folded like a circus tent to the repukes far too often to be trusted to do the right thing, now.
Obama is eating her lunch and while i have serious and substantive differences with him, it’s nothing compared to the dichotomy between HRC’s positions and mine.
Let’s just hope they can. Let’s hope that they haven’t been punked in the Rovian sense.
When did evidence ever make a Republic turn away from the party line? Besides, McCain can get the Huckster cleanse him in a holy way. It’ll be costly, but I’m sure the Huckster is for sale.
I’d like to point out that Sen. Susan Collins of Maine has never missed a vote and she’s over 80% aligned with George Bush’s policies. See? Sometimes it’s not always a good thing to show up to vote. It can hurt the country. ;-)
Or perhaps there is a perfectly reasonable and rational built-in dislike of the DLC Clintons within the Democratic Party. No DLC candidates for me, please.
The other issue important for Hillary to point out about OBAMA is asking to him to list his Senate accomplishments and to explain exactly how much involment was his, and the outcome of those deeds.
Writing two books IMO isn’t such a great accomplishment unless he won awards for them.
Mark Penn is the reason why Clinton’s campaign is failing.
Her stance on the AUMF and Iraq occupation was the deal-breaker for me. I don’t want another President who can’t acknowledge that they made a mistake.
I’m not impressed by Obama, and I’m still voting for Edwards in the Ohio primary, if only to let the front-runners know they have yet to give me any inclination to vote for either…
How many more Dem debates will there be before the convention ?
Or perhaps he should ask her why she co-sponsored a disgusting flag burning bill with a Republican.
Maybe he’ll show up with that Grammy … *g*
We’ve got a list here somewhere of his accomplishments in the Senate. You might want to look it over.
Anybody have it handy???
“Ex-Ohio Lawmaker Ney in Halfway House“
I predict he’ll be a featured political commentator on Fox before the month is out…
I would think they’ve had their attorneys go over this with a fine tooth comb, esp. after Judy and Rathergate …
One too many?
I think that there are two scheduled, one for tonight.
I think she’s going to eat his lunch tonight.
Mark Penn is a symptom of why her campaign is failing. The DLC-style politics of the 90’s have been eclipsed by the war, the blogosphere, and the election of 2006. She’s running the old campaign, staffed by veterans of the old wars (Penn). So it’s not terribly surprising that she’s falling behind.
Hah … that’s exactly what I was thinking … not sure these debates will benefit Obama …
He can take it.
Good grief: on Hardball [what a misnomer!!], Andrea Mitchell, David Gregory & Tweety are all talking about how the NYT story will rebound to McCain’s benefit [because of course it’s not true].
Not surprising given how horrible that NYT article is. It never should have mentioned the sex angle because they included no evidence. It’s a very irresponsible article. Emptywheel’s articles are much better than what the NYT published.
She’d better … her campaign seems to be running short of Lunch money … *g*
I am so glad I was able to caucus for Edwards. I was disappointed with his departure. Obama had clearly gained the upper edge with Edwards leaving. HRC is too triangulating for me.
I still would rather have a Senator vote all the time (even if those votes oppose my own ideals) because that shows me they take serious the job the have been assigned to do. Or they could leave their Senate position (as some have). It just bothers me that they want to run for President and if they don’t make it they still have a sweet position to go back to. A good idea if you are selfish.
I hope not. He’s so rail thin, he needs all the nourishment he can get.
I’ve said this before…and some folks don’t agree.
He’s a great speech-giver.
Eloquent even, I suppose.
But, I’ve always thought she is a better debater.
(And, CT, don’t even go there with the master stuff….)
sad but true
I suspect the NYT hasn’t been punked, which is why MSNBC seems be be going into overtime to discredit the whole thing. I turned on “Morning Joe” briefly this morning and the near-panic underlying his dissing of the NYT was almost funny. The amount of energy being expended to scold the NYT for printing such a story, on the front page no less, makes me think that someone is Very Worried that the story is true and can be proven to be true and that we’ve only seen the tip of the iceberg.
Hillary has one trump card … Rezko … and if there is nothing there, it’s over …
Here’s one:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…../36/458633
There are others. Also, his “Plan” and “Issues” page on his Web site are extremely detailed, much more than Hillary’s, and have been for many months now. If people would spend 10 seconds looking on their own instead of repeating BigMedia talking points, they’d know this. Just a suggestion….
If you’re gonna pick one issue as a litmus test, why go with voting frequency? How about the war, torture, illegal wiretapping, the unitary executive, or LGBQT rights?
Yeah, it’s now or never. I know she doesn’t want to come across as mean, so she’ll have to walk a tightrope. It will be interesting!
One of the many things Obama has going for him is that Americans get tired of and bored with people. We like change and every so often the mood is “I don’t care who’s running, I just want something different.” I have seen it many times and I’m sure it will continue.
I’m taking off…see ya.
I was bummed that Edwards had dropped out before my caucus… But, Obama/Clinton did shatter our caucus turnout records! *g*
Speaking of Emptywheel,
She is on fire today. Check out her latest Catch-22 tribute.
I agree. I also am tired of this Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton treadmill. The Republic Clinton Hate Machine is well rested. Who wants to hear them night after night again?
Aloha, Master…! ;-)
Do you think she’ll bring that up? I think she only brought that up last time in self defense when he hit her with the Walmart Board issue, IIRC. I don’t think she’ll use that except in self defense.
You……!!!
(hugs)
*g*
I voted for EDWARDs and cannot replace him with OBAMA. OBAMA wants to push more Nuclear Power Plants – Edwards wanted other alternative energy. I just can’t compromise that much. Plus I liked EDWARDS stance on Illegal Immigration; not at all like OBAMAs. Too many differences for me.
I’d rather vote for HUCKABEE (he’s actually a very interesting and talented person) as it turns out.
Huh. Edwards to Mike Applebee’s. Haven’t heard that one before. Brava!
keep your voice down, please?
IMO – the NYT reporter and Editor are impeccable. Say goodbye to McCain.
I’d rather vote for HUCKABEE (he’s actually a very interesting and talented person) as it turns out.
Sure, if you like your government, church and industry all rolled into one entity, he’s a great guy.
Do you think she’ll bring that up?
Perhaps she’ll borrow Lanny Davis’ theme and pronounce herself Lieberman’s mentee.
oooooh, shmuchabee? def kewl. he would turn us into a theocracy just like god meant and then we could throw out all the muslims, and jews, and buddhitst, and hindus, and unitarians, and bahai, and catholics, and wicca, and atheists, and agnostics.
ooooooooooo, wait. My partner and daughter are jews. I’m an atheist. My friends are a motley collection of atheists, jews, buddhists, christians, and muslims. Maybe i should vote for a sane person who believes in democracy instead of a religious demagogue.
Sometimes it’s hard to sort out the symptoms from the causes.
Clinton and Obama debate tonight
12 days remain until Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island and Vermont primaries
We in this house hope our candidates makes us proud tonight. We veiw Hillary and Obama as “our” candidates. They are afterall, both Democrats.
It’s funny you should say your tired of Bush/Clinton, Bush/Clinton, because Jeb Bush (the ex-gov. of Florida & as every knows Georges brother) – who stunk at Governor – is waiting in the wings for his chance at the gold ring.
That’s the good thing about being an Independant; you choose the best person for the job – rather than sticking to A PARTY.
And, as I’ve taken to reminding people, Chelsea will be 35 years old and eligible to run in 2016. :)
I hope you are right. I hope that they have the goods. If they don’t its going to turn into another RatherGate.
You always seem to have a positive attitude!
Would Applebee’s make us do that thing with the snakes? Snakes scare me. Maybe Shucksabee can run with Bill Keller as his VP? They both show up and are impeccable, and pretty cool I might add. I know.
McCain. Another example of compassionate conservatism. You bettcha.
Except that if he’s the cause, then she just needs a new consultant. If he’s the symptom, then we need another candidate.
Words you won’t here from the Solooooshuns ‘Get Real’Senatortonight:
1) Tony Rezko or slum lord or poker game or voted yes (Hillary has never and would never understand the rules of the Illinois Senate)
2) Michigan and Florida
3) I’m releasing the contributors to the Clinton museum
4) I’m releasing the 1.6 million health care documents from my failed effort in the 1990’s
5) Hey–lemme tell yall ’bout this hot tip I have in Cattle futures that will solve your mortgage problems
6) mining deal
7) Pardon for Mark Rich after $400,000 bribe/contribution to the Clinton library
8) Let’s talk about my votes on Iraq, Kyle-Leiberman, and against the Levin amendment
9) My vote to stall earmark legislation
9) Here’s the specifics on how I’ll punish the people that don’t carry insurance.
It’s a little much to expect Hillary to grasp that people without insurance are already punished with death sentences
ColorectalCancer Screening Rates Still Fall Far Short of Recommended Lebels; 77.1% of uninsured don’t get the major screening procedure
The Quest for Healthcare Walter Shaprio Salon
Clinton has constantly thrown a number at Obama–15 million. It is Clinton’s contention that under Obama’s plan (as if any of their plans could get through congress without being changed to the unrecognizable) 15 million adult Americans would be uninsured.
TY. ;0)
The Bride keeps telling me that she worries about Obama’s lack of experience.
I tell her that I think that’s a good thing at this particular point in history. He will have greatness thrust upon him.
If you liked Edwards but may vote for Huck, what is it that you believe is good for the country? I really don’t understand.
Chelsea is an exceptional person it seems to me, given the world she was born in. But please Swopa, No mas!
I didn’t get my first choice either, Edwards, but that’s the way the cookie crumbles. Now I have two choices, Hillary or Obama. No Repug NeoCon, no matter the costume, is an option. At the moment it looks like Obama and if the selection goes for him, I’ll back him. It isn’t his job to be all I want him to be so I can sit back and wake up in another four years. Hillary or Obama is the start of my activity. It is my democratic responsibility to hold the next president’s feet to the fire.
Can I influence Obama? Can I influence Hillary? I can. Can I influence any Repug? No. I’ve been trying for nearly eight years. Nada. I’m the invisible citizen.
Oooooh…kay.
Neil:
Hill/Obama, you got
the weight on your shoulders
That’s breaking your back.
Your Cadillac
has got a wheel in the ditch
And a wheel on the track
if u r scared of snakes its bc ur faith is weak. u have to handle snakes 2 vote bc only the faithfull can vote cuz gawd said so in shmuckabees head.
Okay, I’m back. Put a pot of coffee on instead of a nap, ’cause I wanna hear Christy.
To this point
he would turn us into a theocracy just like god meant
Do you have a link? ‘Cause I don’t know that what you say is true.
Actually, there aren’t any candidates that I agree 100% with, and except for a couple of Really Big things, I happen to like Huckabee.
Kelli, you seem to be new, ’cause I haven’t seen you before, but, you’ve got balls, I’ll say that.
Oh please, baby, please, please, please!
When and if Chelsea decides to run for President I’d like to know what her qualifications are besides being 35 years of age and American.
She’s refusing to talk to the press just as her mom did before Iowa. Would she start talking to the press between age 27 and 35–this includes a 4th grader from Scholastic Magazine (”My Weekly Reader.”
She has a job with a hedge fund gotten for her by her mommy and her daddy managed by a large Clinton contributor.
Speaking of Lanny, he sure has a doozy up at HuffingPo. Says we should lay off his buddy St. John, since John Boy’s actually a good guy, and us Liberals would know that if we’d grow up a little and get to know him. Also, what’s so bad about lobbyists, right? I tried playing a drinking game when reading, and took a shot every time he wrote “I” in the piece referring to himself. Just got back from the hospital….yeesh….now I can read the second half (without tequila this time)…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..87788.html
Try to imagine a McCain world. Should this person win.
She also has 8 years in the WH, same as her Mother…! *g*
Geez, Pete, do you also have to attack Chelsea? She should not be talking to the press – she does not need to be making policy statements for her mother. She is not the candidate.
John McCain found in bed with Mark Foley, base rallies to his support.
-G
Watch your phraseology:
Now that’s just great writing.
I heard some audio of Chelsea speaking the other day, and let’s just say I don’t think we have to worry about her ever running. She’s probably wicked smart, but can’t see her getting people fired up.
ROFL
Fucker and Scarborough would support him, anyway.
Will there be more Repug debates and will they all be at The Raygun Cathedral ?!!
Chelsea is fair game for scrutiny. She’s out there on the campaign trail and I was responding to a suggestion she run for President.
Chelsea has been very selective as to what venues she speaks at. One of the venues she will not go near is her own alma mater Stanford University. That’s strange.
Chelsea has a job for which she has no qualifications or training with a $130-150,000 salary she would not get near if she weren’t Chelsea Clinton.
Why in the world should she be refusing all interviews if she’s out on the campaign trail?
I coulda sworn it was him and Wide Stance in a stall, no wait, that’ll be while both are awaiting transport to the convention…! Stay tuned…!
In our home we believe strongly, that should he become the next president, Mr. McCain will prove even less digestible than our present prez. The situation is grave. It is imperative to rid ourselves of Republicans in the White House. And I think in the end, we will prevail. Either HRC or Obama will eat McCain’s lunch.
Independant?
Gone from Edwards to Huckabee?
And when Huckabee drops out, you’ll change to backing MILEY CYRUS?
I give up. You are going to hate all the Clintons no matter what. enjoy
That’s where Obama wanted to have the debate tonight, but Hil wouldn’t go for it.
Twain, I’ll vote for Hill in November if she is the Nominee…! And vote I will… *g*
Would be that were true … the Repugs would combust at a Dems debate in the HolyLand …
He needed help poling.
-G
I saw that “if” Buddy … losing the faith, eh ? *g*
Me, too. And proudly.
707! ;-)
Demi, I was exaggerating for effect. I do not think Huckabee will actually seek to dismantle constitutional democracy and install a formal theocracy. I *do* think he’ll attempt to impose fundamentalist Christian values through the federal government, while maintaining he veneer of a separation of church and state. Gotta run now, and relieve the babysitter, but once I’m logged in at home I’ll dig up some of the video of him making outrageously anti-homosexual and anti-feminist statements in the name of Jesus.
That’s the good thing about being an Independant; you choose the best person for the job – rather than sticking to A PARTY.
I wish I could be an independent. Then I could be morally superior to all the partisans. Oh well.
Sounds like a movie: “Snakes on a Diebold.”
No way! I’d vote for Tom Trancredo before having to kiss a snake. Anyway, Tom’s impeccable.
I don’t know Chelsea, have never met her, or even heard her speak. But I’d say that a degree from Stanford is probably evidence of at least a little training. I know more than a few Stanford grads not named Chelsea Clinton with jobs that pay like that.
“Writing two books IMO isn’t such a great accomplishment unless he won awards for them.”
Well, let’s see here.
The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream by Barack Obama (Paperback – Nov 6, 2007). 408 customer reviews on Amazon. 4+ rating.
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #5 in Books (See Bestsellers in Books)
Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance (Paperback)
by Barack Obama (Author). 152 Reviews, 70% 5 star. Rating 4.6 out of 5 stars. Amazon.com Sales Rank: #19 in Books (See Bestsellers in Books)
Now let’s check Hillary:
It Takes a Village
It Takes a Village by Hillary Rodham Clinton (Hardcover – Jan 18, 1996)
2.9 out of 5 stars (71 reviews) Amazon.com Sales Rank: #46,236 in Books (See Bestsellers in Books) — this was the first book of hers that came to my mind.
More recently:
Living History [BARGAIN PRICE] (Paperback)
by Hillary Rodham Clinton (Author). 699 Reviews
5 star: 34% (242)
4 star: 16% (116)
3 star: 8% (57)
2 star: 6% (45)
1 star: 34% (239)
Note the bipolar distribution, with fairly even numbers at both extremes.
3.1 out of 5 stars 699 customer reviews. In other words, lots of interest, but strongly disparate responses.
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #46,183 in Books (See Bestsellers in Books)
In other words, I disagree with your analysis. In the battle of the books, Barack Obama sweeps Clinton. The public loves his books, and is strongly divided about hers.
Bob in HI
Well said, but I think there’s a second question and that is why Obama over Edwards.
Early in the campaign I thought a big question was how far to the Left the Democratic electorate might go. Clinton was betting they’d stay to the Right (as they’ve done in recent years). I thought they were politically Left-to-Right: Edwards, Obama, Clinton and I wondered if they would shift Left of Clinton or take a second step and go left of Obama to Edwards. They seemed to make that first step in November (IIRC), but I didn’t see them really shift further, though Edwards (if the polls are correct) did continue to gain support as he began to run t.v. ads in Iowa. Then I heard the public thought they were politically Left-to-Right: Clinton, Obama, Edwards. That’s puzzling. Would the electorate have started to the most extreme Left and only moved Right after discarding Clinton’s candidacy?
However, after Iowa it became clear it was mostly about past vs. future and that meant Clinton could never win. The only detail was whether it was Edwards or Obama.
Perhaps it was only a matter of Obama winning Iowa that gave him the added momentum to do well later. I think his campaign people did a great job building on that. The question I have is whether he could’ve gotten that momentum if he had not won Iowa. What if Iowa’s crazy caucus system gave us the wrong ‘winner’? What if Iowa was stolen?
I worry the whole election system is terribly broken.
Another way of looking at it is support groups. At first it seemed Obama and Edwards were competing for the same group. Later it appeared that wasn’t correct at all and it was Clinton & Edwards who were splitting one another’s votes.
Well, after Iowa it appeared Clinton should lose and Edwards could pick up those voters. But, she had the New Hampshire win and that kept her going. This pretty much doomed Edwards who lost whatever momentum he might’ve had coming out of Iowa. Apparently it doesn’t matter if logically you’re beaten, so long as you have money to go on (see Mitt Romney). Even now Clinton fights on, despite having absolutely no hope. She couldn’t pick up the Edwards vote!
Another way to see the early states is the ‘favorite son’. Obama won because Iowa was near Illinois and Clinton won because it’s near New York. But, then there’s momentum and a question of money and by the time we got to South Carolina the black vote had decided to go with Obama, so there was no ‘favorite son’ vote for Edwards. Funny how things are one way right up to the moment when they aren’t.
Clearly, after 2004 when Kerry got Iowa and took everything after that (with a very few exceptions) and now this year Obama won Iowa and is pretty much sweeping up it is clear Democrats look at these early states very seriously and are of a national mind, so that the early states are very very good indicators of how the nation is going to go — or else the rest of the country’s Dems are just taking the lead of the early states and joining the herd of dumb animals. I hope it’s not that.
So, pick your own way of looking at the race, but look at the broken election system and the ultra-high value of the early states and ask if those are the early states we want deciding everything.
During the debate tonight I have scheduled home made fish stew (hailbut, shrimp and clams. One of my sweetie’s faves. We are excited about watching this dabate.
I have faith that the Dem. nominee will win in a 48 state landslide in November, Wyoming and Idaho will be the loners…! *g*
don worry, we’ll have re-education camps fer those that dont like teh snakes. u will lrn to luv them. god sends them 2 us to give us a method to show our faith in him. u will lrn 2 luv them. unless u r gay, then u will go 2 a different camp and no more snakes ever ever ever cuz jesus says.
I don’t hate the Clintons. Bill is doing some good work against diseases and other catastropy notably HIV. He should keep it up.
We have a right to know who has contributed millions of dollars to that library since Billiary is running for President.
I don’t want them in the White House. I resent Clinton’s attempt to steal Michigan and Florida when she is criticizing Bush’s breaking rules. I resent her trying to sabotage Obama’s Ethics legislation. I resent her saying she is going to mandage health care for 48 million people who can’t afford it, or they will face sanctions she hasn’t got the guts to name–weakly saying she’d leave that up to Congress.
I resent her implying she has all Americans covered in a vague medically unrealistic health care plan that says nothing about the cuts in remimbursement to physicians that are ongoing and would be in her plan, and pretending her plan could possibly make it through this Congress when both sides of the aisle have voted exactly as Bush wants on all key issues.
“Or perhaps he should ask her why she co-sponsored a disgusting flag burning bill with a Republican.”
But, you see, that proves that she can work across the aisles!!! She’s a uniter, not a divider!!! {gag}
Bob in HI
Well golly! Hallelujah! I have SEEN tha light! Huckabee/Swaggert ‘08!
To paraphrase another great campaign slogan:
It’s the change, stupid.
Clinton sold herself as the candidate who would take things as they are and do them better. That’s not change. Even though Clinton had a message that did not sell, she never really changed it. This brings up a characteristic of hers that bears repeating. When she makes mistakes, she persists in them. This can and has made for an unsuccessful campaign but is also indicative of why she would not be a successful Chief Executive. As for her advisers, they stink and again you have to wonder if these are the kind of guys she chooses to do a job and whom she has kept by and large despite their failures and bad advice, would she be any different in the quality of her choices in advisers as President?
I’ll take you at your word.
I myself have to go pick up my son.
I look forward to talking to you later.
Perhaps during or after the debate?
Oh HO repeats repeats repeats 116 +115 oh well end of thread anyway
Hey, Kiddo (& Lahoma)
I’ll bring garlic bread, if that works for you guys.
You can be bonkers without be rude, right?
I thought so. Apparently not?
I’m getting tired of people saying Obama has no record or any accomplishments. It usually goes, ”He sounds good, but what has he done?”
I had a (rather right wing) cousin who emailed me just that question. I wrote back and detailed the long list of his rather remarkable achievements, starting with getting the first law in the nation requiring videotaping of confessions and interrogations in capital cases while in the IL Statehouse. A law which few supported initially and yet passed unanimously when he was done advocating for it, getting support from even the originally hostile police.
Not to mention Lugar-Obama non-proliferation act and the Obama-Coburn Ethics law. And dozens of others.
After he read the list he told me he’s sending a contribution!
Use teh Google. It’s your friend. Especially before you criticize out of ignorance.
Oh, I forgot to add another way of sorting out the candidates and why Dem electorate picked Obama: did they even know there were candidates other than Clinton & Obama? Once you sort and realize they only had two in mind, then the choice is simpler and ends with ‘not Clinton’.
Thanks John Kerry!
Makes me wonder if simply stealing Iowa is all that makes the Conservative Dems our ‘winner’ in recent years. I’d love to see an in-depth investigative story on how Kerry and Obama ‘won’ Iowa. Should be a fascinating read. They could even go back to how Clinton became the nominee, though he didn’t win Iowa or New Hampshire. The effects of Big Money are there, in large measure, even in Democratic politics.
So does Hillary. That’s the problem with her campaign. Mark Penn has polled voters on whether Hillary cares about the same issues they care about. But it hasn’t impacted her message – I still don’t hear Hillary addressing things that matter to me or to people I know.
Bush the Elder was tin-eared. Karl Rove was not. As soon as Rove left, Bush the Younger went back to the family tradition of not being able to interpret political reality. He’s hugely unpopular because he’s tin-eared.
Prime example: Last year I got an opinion poll from her offices asking me to rate 10 major issues in importance. Guess what? The war in Iraq was not on the list! Obviously, she didn’t want to hear what I thought about the war, or how it compared in importance to other issues. Major Tin-ear-itis!!!
Bob in HI
I agree entirely with Swopa that Hillary lost support because people don’t trust her to do the right thing.
Unlike John Edwards, she couldn’t even APOLOGIZE for her vote for the Iraq War authorization. Rather than expressing moral outrage, she instead panders to the Jewish vote by cheering on Israel when they were brutally punishing innocent civilians in Lebanon.
Her positions on the issues play everything so safe, and on some things she panders to the right just to try to get a few votes without losing her base.
Since she has already let us down big time, why would that change if she were president?
Here’s a summary of Obama authored or co-authored legislation.
Senator Obama is one of the authors of the Honest Leadership and Open Government Act (S. 2180). [ Mandatory 2 year break that lawmakers and staff beoming lobbyists; immediate disclosure of job negotiations; open conference committee meetings/posting all bills on Internet 24 hours prior to vote. End all lobbyist-funded gifts, meals, and travel].
Sponsored Congressional Ethics Enforcement Commission Act (S. 2259)[Outside ethics commission to hear allegations of ethics violations by members of Congress, staff, and lobbyists]. The Transparency and Integrity in Earmarks Act (S. 2261) [Disclose name of sponsor/rationale 72 hours before earmark could be considered No earmarks if Senator has interest in recipient. Curtailing Lobbyist Effectiveness through Advance Notification, Updates, and Posting Act (The CLEAN UP Act) (S. 2179)
Cosponsor of the Medicare Informed Choice Act (S. 1841) [Allows Part D beneficiaries to change their plan once during 2006]. Authored Hospital Quality Report Card Act (S. 2359) [Public federal hospital quality reports]. Federal Employees Health Benefits Program Efficiency Act (S. 2247)[leverages federal purchasing power to encourage increased adoption of technology by participating health plans]. Attacking Viral Influenza Across Nations Act (S. 969) [Preparedness in the event of pandemic flu by procuring antivirals, developing of effective vaccines, and improvement of the public health infrastructure and capacity in hospitals]. Senator Obama also worked to push $7.9 billion through the Senate to help the U.S. prepare for the possibility of an avian flu pandemic. Lead Free Toys Act (S. 2048)[requiring the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) to ban any children’s product containing lead].Introduced the Healthy Communities Act (S. 2047)[identify and address problems in communities that are at high risk from environmental contaminants]. Healthy Places Act (S. 2506)[assess and support improvements to the urban environment].Obama introduced the Genomics and Personalized Medicine Act of 2006 (S. 3822)[increase research funding on genomics, expand the genomics workforce, provide a tax credit for the development of diagnostic tests that can improve the safety or effectiveness of drugs; reaffirm genetic privacy].
Home Lead Safety Tax Credit Act (S. 2053)[tax credits to property owners who eliminate or contain paint hazards in homes where low-income young children or women of child-bearing age live].Cosponsor of the Great Lakes Environmental Restoration Act (S. 508).Cosponsor of the Climate Steward-ship and Innovation Act (S. 1151). Mercury Market Minimization Act (S. 3627) and the Missing Mercury in Manufacturing Monitoring and Mitigation Act (S. 3631)[ Significantly reduces mercury deposited in oceans, lakes, and rivers, and, ultimately, mercury in fish].
Senators Lugar-Barack Non-Proliferation Act introduced S. 2566 [expands cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons (unsecured lightweight anti-aircraft missiles, landmines, cluster bombs and other conventional weapons).Strengthens the ability of America’s allies to detect and interdict illegal shipments of weapons and materials of mass destruction.]. Obama passed legislation in the Senate that requires all soldiers to be assessed for Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) after they return from deployments.
Amendment to port security law, requiring states and localities to have emergency evacuation plans in place that take into account the special needs of senior citizens. Combat Meth Act (S. 103) tightens control on the sale of meth ingredients and provides assistance to children of meth abusers. Obama cosponsored Dru’s Law (S. 792) which creates a nationwide sex offender database and requires greater monitoring of sex offenders upon their release from prison. Obama cosponsored extension of Violence Against Women Act (S. 1197). Senator Obama offered three amendments to the Immigration Reform Act that were included in the Senate bill. A requirement that a job be offered at a prevailing wage to American workers before it is offered to a guestworker. Mandatory employer verification that employees are legally eligible to work in the United States. And authorizing $3 million a year for the FBI to improve the speed and accuracy of the background checks required for immigrants seeking to become citizens.
Obama-Lautenberg Chemical Safety and Security Act (S. 2486) [All chemical plants would enhance security, including improving barriers, containment, mitigation, and safety training, and, where possible, safer technology, such as less toxic chemicals or safer procedures. Sen. Obama cosponsored and voted for an amendment that would have increased rail and transit security by $1.2 billion.
Introduced legislation to establish a national family locator system for missing persons after a disaster, a mobile corps of volunteer health professions, and mandatory planning for the emergency evacuation of people with special needs, including low-income individuals, the elderly, and the disabled. Cosponsored the extension of the Terrorism Risk Insurance Act (which became Public Law 109-144). Spent Nuclear Fuel Tracking and Accountability Act (S. 1194), which would establish specific and uniform guidelines for tracking, controlling, and accounting for individual spent fuel rods or segments at nuclear power plants, including procedures for conducting physical inventories.
Senator Obama drafted an amendment included in the Safe Drinking Water Act, which passed the EPW Committee on July 20, 2005. The Obama amendment would provide $37.5 million over the next five years to protect the country’s drinking water from a terrorist attack. It also instructs Environmental Protection Agency and the Centers for Disease Control to develop the tools needed by drinking water systems to detect and respond to the introduction of biological,chemical, and radiological contaminants by terrorists.
Introduced the Innovation Districts for School Improvement Act (S. 2441). Under this initiative, school districts would submit plans on how they would become centers of reform. Twenty districts nationwide would be selected based on the best plans to increase achievement for all students and put effective teachers in all classrooms. These districts would receive substantial federal resources but would be required to implement systemic reforms and show convincing results.
Introduced the Summer Term Education Programs for Upward Progress Act (STEP UP) (S. 2149)~a grant program to support summer learning opportunities to be offered by local schools or community organizations.
Barack Obama’s first bill as a U.S. Senator was the HOPE Act (Higher Education Opportunity Through Pell Grant Expansion Act) (S.697), which would help make college more affordable for many Americans. The bill would increase the maximum Pell Grant from the current limit of $4,050 to a new maximum of $5,100.
Senators Obama and Durbin introduced an amendment that became law requiring the VA to notify Illinois veterans about their right to seek a review of their past claims for benefits/services they deserve. Introduced Lane Evans Veterans Health and Benefits Improvement Act (S. 3988) to improve the VA’s planning process to avoid future budget shortfalls. Authored the Sheltering All Veterans Everywhere Act (SAVE Act) (S. 1180) to strengthen and expand federal homeless veteran programs that serve over 100,000 homeless veterans annually. During the debate on the Fiscal Year 2007 budget, Senator Obama passed an amendment to increase funding for homeless veterans programs by $40 million. These funds would benefit programs that provide food, clothing, mental health and substance abuse counseling, and employment and housing assistance to homeless veterans. Introduced the Homes for Heroes Act (S. 3475), which would expand access to long-term affordable housing for homeless veterans by setting aside $225 million to purchase, build or rehabilitate homes and apartments for veterans. Introduced an amendment that became law providing food services to wounded veterans receiving physical therapy or rehabilitation services at military hospitals. Previously, service members receiving physical therapy or rehabilitation services in a medical hospital for more than 90 days were required to pay for their meals. Introduced amendment ensuring all Vets returning from Iraq are properly screened for Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI). Senator Obama passed an amendment that became law requiring the Department of Defense (DOD) to report to Congress on the delayed development of an electronic medical records system compatible with the VA’s electronic medical records system. Introduced Lane Evans Veterans Health and Benefits Improvement Act (S. 3988) which would help veterans transition from the DOD health system to the VA system by extending the window in which new veterans can get mental health care from two years to five years. The Lane Evans bill also would improve transition services for members of the National Guard and Reserves.