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	<title>Comments on: Austin Debate Thread #3</title>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/21/austin-debate-thread-3/#comment-1289630</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The thing that worries me tho is if so many relatively informed people at FDL don’t know the backstory…. then for sure the public might be duped by the lies.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are lies of commission and lies of omission. Perhaps the worst lies have been that Clinton &amp; Obama are the only candidates for president. Once you allow that you let the liars pick our next president. Yeah, we’ve got a problem.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The thing that worries me tho is if so many relatively informed people at FDL don’t know the backstory…. then for sure the public might be duped by the lies.</p>
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<p>There are lies of commission and lies of omission. Perhaps the worst lies have been that Clinton &amp; Obama are the only candidates for president. Once you allow that you let the liars pick our next president. Yeah, we’ve got a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/21/austin-debate-thread-3/#comment-1289619</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The objective is to trounce the Republicans next November.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That is ONE idea. Another is to pick the best person to be president for the next FOUR year, maybe 8 years.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The objective is to trounce the Republicans next November.</p>
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<p>That is ONE idea. Another is to pick the best person to be president for the next FOUR year, maybe 8 years.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/21/austin-debate-thread-3/#comment-1289592</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Let’s stop tearing each other down and focus our attacks on our true opposition.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is that the heart of Obama’s plan to Unite America, to simply say “let’s stop tearing each other down”? What if the bullies ignore him and keep calling him nasty names? What’s he gonna do then?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Let’s stop tearing each other down and focus our attacks on our true opposition.</p>
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<p>Is that the heart of Obama’s plan to Unite America, to simply say “let’s stop tearing each other down”? What if the bullies ignore him and keep calling him nasty names? What’s he gonna do then?</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/21/austin-debate-thread-3/#comment-1289577</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Is that the one marked: “low clearance - mind your head?”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not going there because the image would require brain bleach. *g*&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Is that the one marked: “low clearance &#8211; mind your head?”</p>
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<p>Not going there because the image would require brain bleach. *g*</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/21/austin-debate-thread-3/#comment-1289553</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The idea that Obama expressed in that speech was a rebuttal to Clintons attacks that his speeches were simply “just words”. It was the use of famous speeches (which he never claimed were his own) were “just words”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If that idea is copyrightable or plagiarism I’d really be surprised. It seems that he was hoisting her on her own petard. I’ve heard many people say that when they heard Hillary attack they had the same reaction.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A parallel is when someone says the Theory of Evolution is “Just A Theory”…one replies with cases where the Theory is a powerful tool to explain the natural world and say “Just A Theory?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s a widely used rhetorical device. I’m surprised you are unaware of it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that Obama expressed in that speech was a rebuttal to Clintons attacks that his speeches were simply “just words”. It was the use of famous speeches (which he never claimed were his own) were “just words”.</p>
<p>If that idea is copyrightable or plagiarism I’d really be surprised. It seems that he was hoisting her on her own petard. I’ve heard many people say that when they heard Hillary attack they had the same reaction.</p>
<p>A parallel is when someone says the Theory of Evolution is “Just A Theory”…one replies with cases where the Theory is a powerful tool to explain the natural world and say “Just A Theory?”</p>
<p>It’s a widely used rhetorical device. I’m surprised you are unaware of it.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/21/austin-debate-thread-3/#comment-1289510</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;People in academia (and I’m one) sometimes forget that issues like this are dealt with in vastly different ways. Musicians legitimately crib riffs (and anonymously pay the rights holders) to the material. You don’t find that material on the album (sometimes whole songs, yes…but two words?).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hillary has used far more material from others, OPPONENTS, in her own speeches. It was hypocritical.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People in academia (and I’m one) sometimes forget that issues like this are dealt with in vastly different ways. Musicians legitimately crib riffs (and anonymously pay the rights holders) to the material. You don’t find that material on the album (sometimes whole songs, yes…but two words?).</p>
<p>Hillary has used far more material from others, OPPONENTS, in her own speeches. It was hypocritical.</p>
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		<title>By: kirk  murphy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/21/austin-debate-thread-3/#comment-1289509</link>
		<dc:creator>kirk  murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;It is a doorway to a discussion of McCain’s many other ethical lapses.
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&lt;p&gt;Is that the one marked: “low clearance - mind your head?”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It is a doorway to a discussion of McCain’s many other ethical lapses.
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<p>Is that the one marked: “low clearance &#8211; mind your head?”</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/21/austin-debate-thread-3/#comment-1289496</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I missed most, can someone tell me their respective positions on health care&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It was a repetition of their plans.  Neither is great.  Clinton’s is better.  Whatever Obama says his plan is not universal.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I missed most, can someone tell me their respective positions on health care</p>
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<p>It was a repetition of their plans.  Neither is great.  Clinton’s is better.  Whatever Obama says his plan is not universal.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/21/austin-debate-thread-3/#comment-1289493</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I have a difficult time on this issue of ‘lifting’ something from someone else. Is it worse than triangulating? Or better?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is having character a requirement for being President? What if you hide your lack of character really really well?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I have a difficult time on this issue of ‘lifting’ something from someone else. Is it worse than triangulating? Or better?</p>
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<p>Is having character a requirement for being President? What if you hide your lack of character really really well?</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/21/austin-debate-thread-3/#comment-1289485</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Do you think that NY Times story has legs?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is a doorway to a discussion of McCain’s many other ethical lapses.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Do you think that NY Times story has legs?</p>
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<p>It is a doorway to a discussion of McCain’s many other ethical lapses.</p>
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