If you are writing for a quality publication with a history of being about ideas and keeping things on a higher plane there are probably lines you would not cross.
On the other hand, when you write for the National Review, there simply are no lines, it is all one big vacuous sphere of stupid.
Therefore, if you want to talk about the 60’s and a Democrat why not make use of the ol’ reliables racism and communism. Make the smear as broad and wild as possible.
Congratulations Lisa Schiffren:
Obama and I are roughly the same age. I grew up in liberal circles in New York City — a place to which people who wished to rebel against their upbringings had gravitated for generations. And yet, all of my mixed race, black/white classmates throughout my youth, some of whom I am still in contact with, were the product of very culturally specific unions. They were always the offspring of a white mother, (in my circles, she was usually Jewish, but elsewhere not necessarily) and usually a highly educated black father. And how had these two come together at a time when it was neither natural nor easy for such relationships to flourish? Always through politics. No, not the young Republicans. Usually the Communist Youth League. Or maybe a different arm of the CPUSA. But, for a white woman to marry a black man in 1958, or 60, there was almost inevitably a connection to explicit Communist politics.
Oh no, Obama’s a Commie! He must be, because clearly his parents were commies…not that she knows, but let’s just put it out there because of the "real world experiences" and clear empirical research of one Lisa Schiffren.
But wait…that’s not all?
Political correctness was invented precisely to prevent the mainstream liberal media from persuing the questions which might arise about how Senator Obama’s mother, from Kansas, came to marry an African graduate student.
Golly, I had no idea it was so effing specific. Wow, aren’t we pinko commie socialist america hatin’ terrorist lovin’ liberals incredibly strategic in our thinking [Mark Penn & Howard Wolfman excepted]? And here I thought it was to make it discourteous to use the "N" word, the "K" word, or the "F" word amongst others. Damn, we are good.
So he’s probably an atheistic commie — like his parents probably were (lack of evidence notwithstanding) …and all this time I thought we were supposed to think he was a Muslim fundamentalist terrorist educated in a bomb-making madrassa (lack of evidence notwithstanding)?
But wait, now how much would you pay?
Before readers level cheap accusations of racism — let’s recall that the very question of interracial marriage only became a big issue later in the 1960s.
Oh, please Lisa, I’ll have you know I would accuse you of racism for free. In fact, having read your tripe, I would suggest you pay me.
Yes, if only those long-standing anti-miscegenation laws were not on the books, biracial marriages would never have become an issue.
Lisa Schiffren’s depth of personal experience doesn’t even include hearing about the plot of ‘Mandingo‘. But that does not stop her — it never stops them.
But all-in-all, kudos to Lisa Schiffren for entering the National Review Hall of Shame, a MASSIVE place displaying more than fifty-years worth of embarrassments. Lisa’s work can go into the "Antebellum Room" where her piece can be exhibited with this classic from 1857, er, 1957:
The central question that emerges … is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not prevail numerically? The sobering answer is Yes — the White community is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race.
Or maybe we can put it next to this piece from 1965:
“For years now, the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King and his associates have been deliberately undermining the foundations of internal order in this country. With their rabble-rousing demagoguery, they have been cracking the ‘cake of custom’ that holds us together. With their doctrine of ‘civil disobedience’ they have been teaching hundreds of thousands of Negroes … that it is perfectly all right to break the law and defy constituted authority if you are a Negro-with-a-grievance… And they have done more than talk. They have on occasion after occasion, in almost every part of the country, called out their mobs on the streets, promoted ‘school strikes’ sit-ins, lie-ins, in explicit violation of the law and in explicit violation of the public authority. They have taught anarchy and chaos by word and deed …”
There are a lot of exhibits, this could take some time — be fear not Lisa, your piece most definitely belongs.
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ZED!
Who is this idiot with that spew? Can people actually get to publish that sort of nonsense?
Attaturk, that’s one National Park I think I’ll pass on visiting. Although their geyser of stupid IS a national wonder…
Oh my God…
Obamarama!
Good Morning
ScarecrowAttaturk!But, for a white woman to marry a black man in 1958, or 60, there was almost inevitably a connection to explicit Communist politics.
Couldn’t she at least mention some remote possibility of penis size?
ah ye dogs of war
all is fair in love and war, remainging in power is war, the republicans must mount every weapon in their arsenol if they are to have a chance
they dogs of war arise
I smell a Rove in the henhouse. Southern Strategy ‘08….get your bumper stickers now, while supplies last.
Give it time. I’m sure they’ll go there.
NO fair!!!! You did not say that clicking on dear Lisa’s name that it would go to National Review….I had a gingrich ad on my computer eeeeyugh.
I though this was interesting.
Wow.. not something I would want on my resume.
Let’s begin with this, from the NYTimes:
Mornin’ Attaturk and all.
Wow, impressive. Not only is Lisa Schiffren a lying racist, she’s also a lousy writer. Yup, National Review. That’s the right place for her. She has found her home.
Ah…
Hi Elliott:
Again, it’s been awhile…*g*
Is that how she spelled pursuing?
Excellent post, Attaturk. Thanks.
And where are my manners?
Hello there, Attaturk…
How are you, sir?
good morning Biodun, how are you this mornin’?
I am freezing.
and good morning Scarecrow
What would Lincoln think?
how had these two come together at a time when it was neither natural…
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Reading up to this point was hard enough, but even taking a dose of Fox News every now and then is not enough to put up with this shit.
Perris, your remark yesterday morn about Obama or Hillary’s electability bothered me all day. It still is actually. I’m so fearful of another repub administration that it even kept me up last night. And this post reinforces that fear.
.get your bumper stickers now, while supplies last.
Oh, I don’t think there’s any shortage of Rebel Flag bumper stickers…
OMG.
The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his “poetry” and getting advice on his career path.
hmmm…so let the record show that during his teen years as a curious student Obama talked to a communist, listened to a communist recite his communist poems and maybe read a couple of communist books and magazines. But what about that other “straight talking guy?”:
He then endured five and a half years as a prisoner of war, including periods of torture, before he was released following the Paris Peace Accords in 1973.
….so in his mid 30’s John spent 5 years LIVING!!!! with communists!!! that should tell Lisa and the National Review staff SOMETHING!! Did he let himself get “shot down” on purpose? While living with his North Vietnamese friends did he listen to “capitalist” poetry? Did he have capitalist friends too? We really need to know. Now. Get on it. Oh and Hillary’s got cankles!
God it’s too early in the morning for this.
Sounds like Lisa Schiffren’s describing my family (Me: black and educated; my ex: white and educated; and our kids: 19-year-old daughter, getting educated at ; and 17-year-old son, getting educated at , and about to go to college at an Ivy league college in the fall…) *G*
…made in China.
Lisa Schiffren’s continuing nighmare must involve a tag team scene with the Symbionese Liberation Army.
So you are a commie, right? *g*
Black Hussein Osama is an Atheist Muslim Jewish Communist Pinko Halfrican!
Aiieee!
Hey. A real life.
Ms. Schiffren is apparently still seeking one.
Ha!
MSNBC reruns Tweety’s attempted smackdown of the state Senator last night but left out Keith’s own successful smackdown of Tweety himself right after that:
Tweety: “This is Hardball…”
Keith: “Oh no it.s not. This is the MSNBC election night special…”
Laughter all around in the studio….
It’s so freezing in Minneapolis (all of MN actually) that there’s an advisory until Noon CT. It’s currently -13 F air temp; -50 wind-chill factor…
Dan Quayle said some famous lines? I cannot think of a single one. Can anyone else?
Four weeks to the Vernal Equinox.
Stay warm.
0°F Feels Like -18°F
The sun is already up here. :)
This is what happens when you extract
repellentrecombinant DNA from amber and reconstitute it…Has Michael Crichton taught us nothing?
Dan Quayle Quotes.
I can’t remember anything worth noting–I do remember the “p-o-t-a-t-o-e” fiasco.
Heh. The Dan Quayle museum is about 40 miles from where I’m at…
I forgot to say that me ex is also Jewish…
As for Mandingo, I saw the movie but didn’t read the novel…
good morning noonan, recovered from the WI election all ready?
Something is obviously changing in this country for the better.
The racists may still win, but I find it hard to believe that all the white people in Wisconsin who voted for Sen. Obama will be surprised to find out he’s black come the general election.
What isn’t being touched on is just how much the enthusiasm for Obama is being fueled by disgust for the last 7 plus years of rethuglican rule.
Sen. Clinton is being caught up in this – a “throw all the bums out” wave.
That was hysterical, thanks Lou!
Watch out for those mixed marriages…you never know what you’ll get! LINK
Joined vets for Obama this morning.
Trying to get my daughter going so I’m not late for work :) Shell shock is a better description instead of “recovered”.
Practicing, lapsed or cultural jew?
Are there a lot of vets supporting Obi? That would bode well.
Tweety is this close to an Imus moment.
My brother-in-law was a Harley riding racist homophobe until his oldest daughter came out and his youngest had a baby with a long gone Phillipino tattoo artist from San Diego. Welcome to the REAL AMERICA.
I read this yesterday. I was impressed as she gingerly tiptoed (the image ugh) through the racist and sexism minefield to land the communist smear. What a pig. Even for that crowd this dog wont hunt.
And my 17-year-old looks like Obama. Maybe he will be the first US black Jewish prez…(Couldn’t help that one, folks…*g*)
AHHH, the days when Presidents were true caring leaders. They don’t make em like they use to!
I, for one, hope that every single one of them can be proven to have been written by Lisa “I See Communists” Schiffren. Thanks for the laugh!
Tweety is this close to an Imus moment.
I was just getting ready to say that JokeLine had actually made a *good* point – but then he followed it up immediately with something else – so – never mind…
Well, Historically, Lisa is somewhat correct, however her observations about the venue where blacks and whites could meet each other socially is a bit off by about 20 years. Richard Wright, for instance, accounts for why the Communist circles in Chicago were attractive to him in the early 1930’s by detailing his interest in meeting other writers with similar interests, and finding that venue in Communist Writers’ Organizations and circles. As a young and gifted writer fresh out of Mississippi, he had no point of entrance to arts circles — except things like the John Reed Clubs. This social reality is simply part of American History — but it is also a social reality that changed over time. In the late 40’s, when Wright turned his back on Communism, he felt it necessary to go into exile in France, given that social support for his writing life was absent in the US, even though France was not really the right venue for a writer focused on Black Life in the Contemporary US, who also questioned the ideological Marxist Left.
But by the late 50’s and early 60’s, many new social venues where young Blacks and Whites could and did meet each other opened up — in particular the colleges and Universities and the many organizations created in support of or as a result of the Civil Rights Movements. Obama’s orgins are in this new social space that emerged in this period.
Dunno, I was a nam vet for kerry so I just googled it and, sure enough, they have on on his site.
not to speak of devil rock and roll shows
Not only vets, but active duty personnel. Obama has gotten the most campaign donations, followed by Ron Paul.
Obama, an Illinois senator, brought in more donations from this group than any White House contender from either party. The Democrat announced Wednesday his plan to withdraw all U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of 2008.
Here’s the link:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3601542
Hebrew Barack Obama Buttons are on back order on his site, oy vey!
Clipped from ABlog:
Obama takes Hawaii in a landslide
I am looking forward to the day when Tweety is irrelevant.
I know…I need a reality check!
That is excellent news.
Could be get the enlisted and the officers voting for him in november? My! that would be a change!
Nice work, Attaturk. God, that snide shit of hers makes me sick.
IIRC, in 1967, when Barack and his parents moved to Indonesia, the muslims there were slaughtering those accused of being communists by the hundreds of thousands. (At that’s how it was reported in the not-so-reliable U.S. press.)
Tweety is a shiny object. Teevee needs those sorts of loudmouths to attract viewers.
What a jerk! And so full of himself too.
Yes! She conveniently leaves that part out–the social constraints were much more relaxed.
So, is she saying that the islamofundamentalist kindergarten lessons couldn’t overcome the communism, which is apparently genetic? Oh, I get it, if you scratch a Democrat, you’ll find a pinko.
I sure do like KO and Rachael. If Tweety’s bullshit gets people to watch them, I’m willing to tolerate him.
I agree, and KO did rip tweety a new one last night, and I just love the way Rachael skewers that bigot Buchannan, Rachel desreves a medal just for having to be 100 feet near that loser.
What is crazy about her little diatribe is that except for people in their 60s (like me) nobody even remembers ‘reds under the bed.’ I’m astonished they try to sell this stuff to the ipod generation. Nice try, Lisa. I’m sure there are a few cave dwellers who buy that swill, if their canes are working well enough to get them to the polls.
secular…also with ties to Israel…ex is a member of Peace Now…She was born in MN of Israeli parents…I, born in Nigeria of Nigerian parents (*g*), and I came to NYC when I was 14–but we already covered all this (but not the Jewish part) in Christy’s Pull up a Chair two Saturdays ago, remember You were arrested and tossed into the Manhattan Tombs during Giuliani Time!
OT – the Space Shuttle is about 9 minutes from landing. CNN started coverage already.
They gotta get ready to go all “Missile Command” on that satellite.
I have to admit I have never, ever read NR. Now I know why. That the mentality at that rag has not changed since the publication of the 1957 and 1965 articles is an absolute disgrace. I thought the only people who thought and talked like this in public wore white sheets and whose family tree was a straight line. I wonder if Lisa crosses the street when she sees an African-American coming towards her. Holy shit.
Yeah, I’m waiting for the missile to miss the satellite. Then we’ll hear about how this indicates the need to build the Star Wars defense system. Or otherwise, the missile will HIT the satellite, which will indicate the need to build the Star Wars defense system…
Look up! Countdown To February 20/21 Total Lunar Eclipse…
And we have several passports in our family: my ex: US, Israel; me: US, UK, France; the kids: US, Israel. (Nigeria does not recognize dual citizenship, so I had to surrender that passport when I became a US citizen at 21.)
Dan Quayle said some famous lines? I cannot think of a single one. Can anyone else?
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Ask his chief of staff, he works for the NYT now. Or this one:
Thats not how you spell Po-ta-toe.
And this is why your FB profile says “It’s complex”! :)
Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog it’s too dark to read.
Groucho Marx
Name the Rogue Satellite Operation
“The military hasn’t officially named the operation, to shoot a rogue satellite out of orbit — or, at least, they haven’t told us civilians the name, yet. So we figured we’d give ‘em a hand, by coming up with some names of our own. Vote up or down on the titles below — or come up with your own. You’ll be doing your country a tremendous service…”
Remember Lynn Cheney said that genealogical research had shown that Obama and one of the Cheneys were 14th cousins.
Time for some investigative research into Cheney’s parentage….in lieu of everything else.
Moreover, since Gov. Kaine and Obama have grandmothers from the same town, let’s investigate him as well. Soon Kansas will turn out to be the be home to the lost tribe of Israel.
Lisa has probably helped Obama with the Jewish vote. Maybe we could rerun the nyc primary.
Tweety is this close to an Imus moment.
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No matter how hard they try to pre-nocculate him with those commericals that started after the last “episode”. The ones that are done in Batman & Robin style…Harball its “manly”, and “hard”, and yes “blunt”….whatever.
Dan Quayle said some famous lines? I cannot think of a single one. Can anyone else?
“I have made good judgements in the Past. I have made good judgements in the Future.”
“Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child.”
“The future will be better tomorrow.”
“[It’s] time for the human race to enter the solar system.”
That’s just a few
http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Dan_Quayle
Andcouldn’t help this one eithe
This fall I’m getting married to (edited)…, who’s Chinese (whom I met in China in 2002 when I was teaching there), and is now is getting her PhD at UCLA… Another passport added to the expanding postmodern 21st-century (Lisa Shiffren, hello?) family…
Precisely…see my 84…*g*
Don’t look here: US banks quietly borrow massive amounts from Federal Reserve
Hi, Biodun, how are you?
Attaturk, attaboy for the great post!
I saw that exchange, and it started with Keith asking Tweety if he can name anything that Congress has done in the last seven years, which left Matthews speechless. That was the part that I liked.
But I really would like to see someone be able to answer Tweety’s original question: name Obama’s legislative accomplishments. I don’t care if the accomplishments are based on his term in state office, but I was just wondering if anyone can answer that question qualitatively, much less quantitatively. I’m not trying to be an antagonist; remember, I’ve already declared that Obama is my candidate of choice. Just thought that people who go on TV should be prepared, and the list I saw here in the comments yesterday was utterly unacceptable because the list was impossible. It worked out to authoring 2.438 pieces of legislation every day for 365 days. I don’t believe it was anywhere near accurate. I would like to know a few real accomplishments. Anyone?
She and Goldberg should get together. Imagine what lovely children they’d have.
Per the Wikipedia entry on Barack’s mother:
Impessive. Started high school at 13 and married an African (in 1960) while away at college at the age of 17. Obviously a very bright (and self-confident) lady. Quite a contrast to Barbara Bush.
tear down the walls
I noticed Pat Buchanan jumping on the attack Obama band wagon last night. Specifically, the Michelle Obama proud American comment. Pat claims that it was Mrs. McCain who decided to make the Michelle Obama comment and issue. Pat claims she is a force to be reckoned with. I believe Rove knows how to deal with her. The GOOPERS are nervous and afraid of Barack. They know that HRC will rally there base more than a Gay marriage amendment.
What? Marrying someone chinese? Why that’s….oh wait, I married someone chinese 22 years ago. My kids spoke cantonese before english. We’re still married, so which is more unusual these days: interracial marrage or not being divorced?
My jewish homeboy in Berkeley has been married to a chinese woman for 25 years.
TAJ MAHAL – Everybody Got To Change Sometime (1968)
Lest we forget:
“What a waste it is to lose one’s mind, or not to have a mind to lose is being very wasteful.”
“It isn’t pollution thats harming the environment. It’s the impurities in our air and water that are doing it.”
“I was recently on a tour of Latin America, and the only regret I have was that I didn’t study latin harder in school so I could converse with those people.”
I could never understand George H.W. Bush’s selection of Dan Quayle as VP until I heard George W. Bush speak.
The GOP is just plain nervous and afraid. Obama scares them, because he isn’t Hillary. Hillary scares them, because she is Hillary. Most of all, January scares them, because that’s when the time runs out on BushCo industries.
Look for lots of new regulations, administrative rulings, and as many long-term sweetheart contracts as possible to be issued before then.
but I’m so far from ready.
I think one of Obama’s most significant accomplishments in the Senate is not really legislation, but rather to partner with Richard Lugar as the replacement for Sam Nunn on the bi-partisian effort to sequester Nuclear material in the former Soviet Union, and other places where Nuclear Fuel and old weapons grade material is stored. So now the whole effort is no longer Nunn-Lugar, but Obama-Lugar. After Obama was elected, he traveled with Lugar meeting all the players in Nuclear capable countries, and getting familiar with the successes as well as the profound problems in reaching the goal of making safe all this potentially dangerous material. Funding this effort is a legislative effort, and Obama has been successful in moving those appropriations.
Sen. Clinton now on CNN saying she’ll begin to bring troops home within 60 days of taking office.
I kinda feel sorry for her. I like her personally, and now it seems she’s gonna go down to defeat after thinking the nomination was all but a formality only two months ago.
Her claim of superior experience rings hollow in light of the disarray evident in her campaign organization. How could they not be prepared to organize in states with elections held after Feb. 5th? (yet claim their candidate is better perpared to lead on day one.)
I think a lot of jews are very disappointed about what Israel has been doing with the “Palistinians”. I once believed Israel to be a democracy but I see it as a racist place now and that has turned me completely off.
I don’t see how rational people can support what they are doing.
Quite true. Dan Quayle is brilliant by comparison.
Imagine a world where the only presidential candidates for 20 plus years are the Bushes, Clintons, Quale (sp), Gore, Kerry, Hart.
Rachel Sklar on MSNBC. Yikes! No Rachel Maddow she…
And on topic: Both Jewish. The one, Howard Kurtz’s boy toy albeit progressive (She works for HuffPost after all); the other, involved in a lesbian civil union in NYC, and most certainly a progressive who’s on contract with MSNBC as a “news analyst”–but who (again most certainly) deserves to replace Tweety or Tucker at MSNBC.
I’m cool…Ann in AZ. Jane and Christy and Pach are keeping me cool…*g*
The repubicans are in a bad place. They have nothing to run on – no accomplishments. NONE except tax breaks for the uber wealthy.
The stock market will be lower than when Bush began.
Oil when from $11 to $100
Gas will be over $4 a gal
Millions have lost their homes to bank scams
Enron and Worldcom screwed a bunch of people.
Katrina was a disaster
Mining disasters
Iraq quaqmire
War on drugs going nowhere
Loss of rights
911 on their watch
Abu Graib
This list is endless. What can they show for their 8 years at the helm?
If I were an R I would be lawyering up instead of running a campaign.
I remember a few decades ago my sophomore-year Sociology professor saying that when Americans become unhappy with their government, they have one and only one reaction: “Throw the bums out.” Apparently that has been so for a very long time.
I can’t understand MSNBC– sometimes they seem like the very worst of the corporate media, but on the other hand they have people like Rachel Maddow and Keith Olberman. I can’t figure them out.
My dad and I were both high school basketball refs. He used to say, “if everyone is equally pissed off at you when the game is over you have done a good job”!
Biodun,
I was born a jew from nyc and am married to a Peuto Rican from da bronx. I identify more with the struggles of latinos than I do with those of the “jews” for their homeland.
Racial purity is a dumb idea. It’s as bad as religion!
I would guess he’s not gonna have many, because he’s only been in Washington 2 years in a system where seniority matters.
After this disaster of an administration, I’m far more interested in plain old common sense returning to the White House, something that has been in very short supply.
I’m also far more interested in someone who doesn’t come into the White House beholden to various special interests on day one, who really has a chance to do “the people’s business” vs. just mouthing the words.
What nonsense and more nonsense. She is not going to bring any troops home for 60 days! And how many after that and how many more will she send there while she is bringing them home.
MSNBC is trying to get the blognerds on their side. Sort of hedging their bets.
I won’t watch them except the occasional KO.
Look for LinkTV – it’s a better place for information.
I agree, the Obama campaign needs to supply a good answer, because it’s the second time Matthews has asked that question. The first time was a week or so ago with the WI Governor.
On the incident itself, the unfairness was that the congresswoman supporting Hillary had listed a lot of very critical areas, like children’s health, where she claimed Hillary had been a leader. Matthews allowed her to smile at the Texas State Senator’s discomfort, without going back and asking her to list specific legislation Hillary had authored.
Someone needs to remind Matthews of the Kennedy vs. Johnson competition for the nomination. Kennedy had written no important legislation. Johnson had written much important legislation and, as a very powerful Senate Majority Leader, was responsible for all of the legislation passed in several sessions of congress.
And:
Stats show Edwards supporters voting for Obama in large numbers in WI and elsewhere. Well, I was an Edwards supporter..
So then I’m for Obama from here on end.…that’s for sure!
Agree…but they lean left for sure…
Habeas corpus and all our civil rights not to mention over 1mil Iraqis killed and thousands of american dead and wounded.
I don’t know the exact quote, but I do remember a famous quote about Dan Quayle…”But Murphy, it’s Dan Quayle!”
Remember, that was due to Dan’s famous quote about how Murphy Brown was an example of how single parenthood destroys the family.
Agree…one close friend from NYC: her dad is Pakistani and her mom Korean. She was born and grew up in Queens County (Flushing), NYC..*g* Go figure…
I’m so confused. Are we communists, or are we fascists?
Good morning, Attaturk and pups. Things we can predict. Yes it did get to freakin’ 30 below in Fargo last night. And Republicans and their propaganda rags will go racist.
Weren’t these the same people who called Obama the most liberal Senator? Back to read comments now.
Prairie Today: Bringin’ the Heat
I could not agree more. If we can’t win the White House after your list of disasters (many of which McCain helped create) we’ll never win again.
We is a French word, means yes! :)
Yep. And if we lose, I’m retirin’ early and moving to Marbella.
MSNBC is not changing anyone’s mind or informing much of the electorate. Out of 350 million people they might get 500,000 viewing them. Who cares?
“This is my first time in Latin America. But I’m sorry that I don’t speak Latin,” shortly after landing in Caracas, Venezuela on his first official visit to South America as VP.
LOL…
Ay, perdon. Buenos dias a todos!
I more of a communist. I believe that workers should own or control the means of production, not wealthy shareholders.
Corporations and their self interest (and those who own them- shareholders- are the problem) as I see it.
Jesus, the way people around here have a goddamn stroke about every hour about something or another that gets said there. . .
Biodun -Mazel Tov!!
PS Some of my grandchildren (when i have some) will resemble your kids.
I had an “Oh shit!” reaction the moment I saw Michele make that comment. There’s no way the McCain campaign would fail to exploit that. Public figures need to learn to stay on script.
Yeah, pretty much that’s the way I feel too, which is why I’ve declared him my choice for President. But it does make me a little nervous that nobody can answer that question even given his experience in the IL legislature. OTOH, I can’t name a single accomplishment of any member of my state legislature either.
Michelle Obama doesn’t sit well with me either, though. OTOH, Hillary has Bill to say the wrong thing for her campaign; Barack has Michelle. I would never say that I am proud of my country for the first time, and I don’t think it shows much good sense for a Presidential candidate’s wife to say that, either. I still am not happy with her saying she’d have to think about voting for Hillary if Hillary won the nomination. Shows that she’s haughty and vindictive. I would be much happier if she realized that she has the same choices that we all do if Hillary were to win: Hillary or McCain. Luckily, we don’t chose our President based on whether the spouse will be a good first spouse.
1,762 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Biodun and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Are you also lookin’ forward to watchin’ Obama take Crazy John McCain apart in sections in their debates…I’m shamelessly sadistic when it comes ta that little tussle.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DO THE WORK…WE MIGHT JEST GET OUR CONSTITUTION BACK!!!
I don’t think I have adequate epithets to fit this malignantly stupid bitch Shiffren. My mind stumbles on the brick-like intellect she offers.
I was born in 1960 to a white mother and a Asian-Pacific Islander father. Both of them are Republicans, have been for as long as I can remember. They met at college in the great white north of the midwest. You may blame attendance at football games for their miscegenation, likely tolerated at the time only because my father wasn’t black, just brown.
Was it football that made their union okay? Was it the locale, far and away from commie New York? Was it that they weren’t Jewish but Catholic and a Catholic convert? Was it that they weren’t pointedly rebelling against anyone, or that they were conservatives? I’m completely confused as to why Obama is different.
Oh, that running for office thing. Yeah, I forgot about that, which makes Obama one “uppity” mixed breed, right?
May Shiffren get what she deserves: a multitude of grandchildren of mixed race who look like her with dark brown eyes and brown skin.
She did not say what they showed on the vid.
Meanwhile, coming up on MSNBC: What bloggers are saying about Obama and Hill(ary). Should be interesting. We’ll see whether they say anything about FDL…
Thanks!
with me either, though. OTOH, Hillary has Bill to say the wrong thing for her campaign; Barack has Michelle. I would never say that I am proud of my country for the first time, and I don’t think it shows much good sense for a Presidential candidate’s wife to say that, either. I still am not happy with her saying she’d have to think about voting for Hillary if Hillary won the nomination. Shows that she’s haughty and vindictive.
First of all, it’s not what she said, it was cut. She said it was the first time in 25 years she has been “really” proud. Secondly, haughty sounds an awful lot like uppity to me. I know you don’t mean that.
The pukes always jump all over stuff like that. As Al Franken explained in “Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them”, conservatives love their country the way a four year old loves her mommy.She’ll get upset if anyone expresses any kind of disagreement at all with her mommy.
Patrick Murphy on Imus this morning with his autobio strongly supporting Obama. Murphy acquitted himself well [I know, I’ll duck from the brickbats now]. Unfortunately you won’t see this on the web that I know of, since RFDTV has no videoclips and WABC is about a week behind most times on posting interviews.
Salon’s Debra Dickerson also on, saying Imus had redeemed himself in her eyes, much to her dismay because it was so much easier keeping him as a poster boy for bad.
And Karith Foster with a beautiful spoken essay on Black History Month. Would that this also makes it sooner rather than later onto the web.
Both she and McCain made speeches last night that attacked Obama, which is what they have to do. But for some reason, I found hers so painful to watch that I had to shut it off.
And they need to jump up and fight that shit!
Do you have any problem with the audio coming in and out (assuming you are tuning in on the computer)?
MSNBC has Nico Pitney (HuffPost) and Amanda Carpenter (Town Hall) on…
Michelle Obama, 44 years old, was born in 1964 at the hight of the civil rights era, she is black, she is female, was nine when R v W was decided and yet she has seen our civil rights eroded and her freedom of choice curtailed during her life. She has also been witness to a war in Vietnam, a reagan presidency, A bush1 presidency, a clinton “reform welfare” presidency and then this assh**e in the WH right now. There is not a hell of a lot to be proud up to now, I am with her.
abc isn’t altogether accurate there. Obama won’t, hoping he does, take office until 2009. 2008 would be wonderful, but barring his much-beloved apocalypse, Bush will still be in office.
Pleased to come across that clip of Obama in the Senate. Seeing him in action as a statesman reinforces and supports my hopes and expectations for his conduct of diplomacy.
On the contrary, I feel the Rethugs have accomplished many of the things they set out to accomplish:
They started an endless war in Iraq as per their stated plan in the PNAC.
They’ve destroyed the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
They’ve turned the separation of powers upside down.
They’ve politicized the DOJ and other Administrative Offices.
They’ve destroyed Habeas Corpus.
They’ve made torture all but legal in this country.
They’ve gone a long way in changing our form of government to a dictatorship.
I could go on, but I can’t type fast enough and the thread would be over with by the time I was done…
Me, too. Well said.
I remember a chant from college football spectator days that went “Push ‘em back, push ‘em back, waaaaaaaaaaay back.” That’s a tactic we might consider adopting.
Push back fast, hard, and keep comin’ back. Over and over. Whatever the playing field. Talk radio, LTEs, blogs, wherever. We must push back hard.
Some born in 64 was a witness to Vietnam?
Hi, Raven — I see the show on DirectTV [thank Gawd for cranky ol’ media moguls who innovate satellites for lake cabin country because the air reception from the Twin Cities was so frickin’ lousy and thus create a whole new industry].
I think Michelle Obama is a very bright person and the mistake was unfortunate. The most unfortunate part is that it feeds the most basic radio talk show mantra that liberals “hate America.” Even if you feel that there has been nothing to be proud of in the last ___ years, and I don’t, we won’t win an election with that rallying cry.
Well, since you put it that way…I can see Michelle’s point.
I found this by Hilzoy quite enlightening. It focuses on a few specific things, rather than being a laundry list, but I think it’s more informative because of it.
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How about the aftermath of the Vietnam war
It wasn’t, it was a statement edited to change the meaning.
Aite
Fascinating, Sara–thanks also for your insight on Afghanistan on my thread the other day. Thanks!
abc isn’t altogether accurate there.
Goes without saying. Even Kurtz has taken notice. Over-the-top was his take last Reliable.
Michelle Obama criticized for remarks
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She tells supporters that ‘for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country.’
By Robin Abcarian, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
February 20, 2008
Michelle Obama found herself at the center of a political tempest Tuesday after telling a Wisconsin audience while campaigning for husband Barack Obama that “for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country.”
Conservatives pounced.
On his blog, Commentary magazine Editor John Podhoretz wrote: “Can it really be there has not been a moment . . . when she felt proud of her country? Forget matters like the victory in the Cold War; how about only things that have made liberals proud. . . . How about the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1991? Or Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s elevation to the Supreme Court? Or Carol Moseley Braun’s election to the Senate in 1998? . . . Didn’t she even get a twinge from, say, the Olympics?”
Podhoretz acknowledged that Michelle Obama might have been engaging in hyperbole, not unheard of on the campaign trail.
In her remarks at the rally in Madison, Obama, 44, said, “What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback . . . and let me tell you, for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.”
Cindy McCain, wife of probable Republican presidential nominee John McCain, alluded to the flap Tuesday when she introduced her husband to a crowd in Brookfield, Wis.
“I’m proud of my country,” she said. “I don’t know about you, if you had heard those words earlier, I’m very proud of my country.”
The Obama campaign e-mailed reporters a clarification of Michelle Obama’s remarks.
“What she meant is that she’s really proud at this moment because for the first time in a long time, thousands of Americans who’ve never participated in politics before are coming out in record numbers to build a grass-roots movement for change.”
You may be right as I’ve seen that sorry trick played often, but from the part they play, it sounds like a slip up. I haven’t heard an elaboration or “what she really said.”
The fact that the two standing in the dem primary race are a female and a black man is quite notable.
Blacks and females and even a black female have run for president but none of them ever appeared on the nov ballot.
This is worthy of note and something to be proud of or ashamed about.
Don’t be silly.. We know the disaster they are.
I was trying to say they have nothing to run on… except paranoia and fear!
I know is it looks like obama is not stoppable for democratic choice so all we can do is develope the strategy that can counter their attack machine
and that’s all they have, an attack machine, this will not be a battle of idiology
She said “really proud”…they took out “really”
Well, she would have been eleven when the helicopters liffted off the embassy.
Barack Obama, interviewed on WOAI radio in San Antonio, Texas, expressed frustration that his wife’s comments became political fodder.
“Statements like this are made and people try to take it out of context and make a great big deal out of it, and that isn’t at all what she meant,” Obama said.
“What she meant was, this is the first time that she’s been proud of the politics of America,” he said. “Because she’s pretty cynical about the political process, and with good reason, and she’s not alone. But she has seen large numbers of people get involved in the process, and she’s encouraged.”
At every antiwar protest, there are freepers holding signs accusing us of being communists. It’s pretty bizarre — and pretty obvious that accusations of us being stuck in the 60s are yet another example of projection.
An excellent analogy.
Xian speaks English with a British accent…Her first English teacher when she was in middle school is/was British…
The tale of two videos…”REALLY”: http://www.dailykos.com/commen…..3/3494/127
The choppers actually did not take off from the Embassy, the famous pic is from an apartment building nearby. Bunkers bunker was pretty big.
I am not proud of my country.
I don’t consider pride all that important. Too close to vanity.
Anyway America has a mixed bag of “accomplishments” in her past.
slavery
dropping the only nukes and on civilians
letting thousands suffert and die after Katrina
internment of Japanese
You know of all of them.
There ya go…that’s multiculturalism for ya…*g*
Sure. I was born in ‘65, and I still have vivid memories of the protest marches in DC, and the nightly news accounts of the fighting.
Yea, and his youngest son want to be an Oakland Rapper. . .
Witness in the sense of it being part of her experience of America (through TV and such.) I’m three years older, and it certainly was for me.
Good morning pups!
Who is proud of all the gun violence in this country?
One has to “exact” for Raven most especially after the dogs have been trotted.!
Who cares what Micelle Obama is proud of anyway? Why does that matter?
OK class we are going quiz you on your list of proud.
Hey Rayne!
Nice to see you…I’ve been asking and wondering where and how you’ve been, Haven’t seen you at the Lake lately…
Ok, if that’s what everyone want to believe far be it from me. . .
I wish there still WERE “Devil rock and roll shows.”
Hail hail rock and roll! (Yes, I’m working on my band’s rock and roll record and our sales expectations are…ahem…lowered)
let’s recall that the very question of interracial marriage only became a big issue later in the 1960s.
Nothing to fear but fear itself will be the watchword; or, words (ha) will never hurt me. All to say, I guess, we ain’t seen nothing yet. Clearly, the writer has never been introduced to any case from the Supreme Court that addressed the question of interracial marriage. What is the constructive thing to say when the context is so lying repulsive (again, the Scott Peck view of evil always rooted in a lie. Exhibit A.)
The clip that I saw did not appear to have cut out the part about “the first time in twenty five years” and even if it deed, she had no national pride since she was a young child? I was unhappy during the Reagan administration, but not as unhappy during the Clinton administration. For the most part, I thought he did a pretty good job of governing and he certainly did a lot of good for our reputation in the world at large. And I was damn proud of Carter when he made a handshake between Anwar Sadat and Menachin Begin happen. I can’t say that for the first time in twenty-five years I was proud of my country, although I can say I haven’t been proud of my country in the last six years or so.
No, I didn’t mean to imply that Michelle is “uppity” in the classic racist sense of the word, but I hate to break this to you: Black people can be bigots, too. I’m not saying that there is no reason for it, because I happen to think that they have way more cause, and most of them at least have the good graces to fight their inner demons, because they know it’s not right. I know this because I’ve discussed it with some black friends and coworkers. A friend of mine said she had a real problem when her brother married a Danish woman, but when they had a daughter, she wanted to know her niece, so she pushed aside her prejudice. I worked with this woman for many years and we developed a mutual respect. That’s the way it works.
I also wonder how Michelle could have a problem with inner demons of a racist nature, since her husband is half white, making her children one quarter white. But I think sometimes things get away from her, and she should really think before she blurts stuff out.
So, it didn’t appear to you so it’s not true huh?
I didn’t say it wasn’t true. I was simply responding to what I heard; not what you heard.
but I hate to break this to you: Black people can be bigots, too.
And this has what to do with what we are talking about?
Just got a call from my friend in Hawaii and he stated the turnout was unbelievable! He stated the excitement and joy in the air was beyond anything he had anticipated. It must have been one great night since he called me at 5:30 Hawaii Standard Time and I live on the east coast in Florida!
I think the jury’s still out on Michelle’s attitudes. Seems to me she has a chip on her shoulder; I don’t know why.
Michelle needs to get a list of major accomplishments by humankind during her lifetime, and figure out how to discuss them, always cutting back to their meaning in the political process.
She might, for instance, reflect on November-December of 1989, and the peaceful revolutons animated by people power in E. Europe. Rather than waving the banner of “We Won the Cold War” focus on the fact that people carefully and purposefully organized for CHANGE. I suspect one could characterize taking a hammer to the Berlin Wall as an example of “Yes We Can” action.
She could pick up on the vast numbers of NGO’s all over the country, doing things such as taking care of people with AIDS, running the shelters, feeding the hungry, tutoring kids in reading, teaching kids internet skills, — really things that ought to be built into social systems.
She could identify with young people using new media in new ways. Perhaps she ought to watch some of Current TV’s offerings (Al Gore’s Channel), and get familiar with the genre. At some juncture in the next administration media policy will become an issue — she might be useful in this area.
These are things that have been outside the Political Tent in recent years, and those really put off by politics have engaged in quite productive ways that need affirmation. She needs to learn how to do it so it is supportive of her Husband’s efforts. No matter what the intent of her statement — writing off the accomplishments of others on the margin of our culture and society is NOT how you get elected. If I were involved with the design of Obama’s campaign right now, next week in Ohio I would put the candidate and his wife in the new sites and museums collectively understood as the “Underground Railroad” now part of the National Park System — and actually praise Hillary Clinton for supporting the effort when she was First Lady. That is the kind of thing that First Spouses do, and she needs to identify with it. Calling attention to it would not at all be particularly useful to Clinton’s campaign at this point.
Well said, Sara.
Amen, Sara!
Get the word out to the readers of the National Review
“Clarence Thomas is a Commie!”
After all, how else could he and his White wife have met except at a covert meeting of the Communist Revolutionary Workers Party!
Apparently, you and I had the same thought. Except it turns out he missed the cutoff.
I’m old enough to be Lisa’s father (I shudder at the thought). Searching my late 50’s and 60’s memory bank of my lefty associates, I can’t come up with a single communist. You didn’t need to go to a political meeting, anyway, to meet someone of another race. What universe is she talking about?