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		<title>By: Millineryman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/20/they-call-him-mr-19/#comment-1285881</link>
		<dc:creator>Millineryman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As off topic as possible&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://shoetube.tv/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ShoeTube and the Daily Shoe&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As off topic as possible</p>
<p><a href="http://shoetube.tv/" rel="nofollow">ShoeTube and the Daily Shoe</a></p>
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		<title>By: Howie Klein</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/20/they-call-him-mr-19/#comment-1285685</link>
		<dc:creator>Howie Klein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I did &lt;a href=&quot;http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2008/02/new-polls-out-in-time-for-bush.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a little video clip&lt;/a&gt; about this development. Not for people with weak tummies.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did <a href="http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2008/02/new-polls-out-in-time-for-bush.html" rel="nofollow">a little video clip</a> about this development. Not for people with weak tummies.</p>
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		<title>By: lectriclady</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/20/they-call-him-mr-19/#comment-1285633</link>
		<dc:creator>lectriclady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think there should be a paper mache (sp?) float made of this in every state that would follow McCain to every appearance. Just like the “Kiss” in Connecticut.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there should be a paper mache (sp?) float made of this in every state that would follow McCain to every appearance. Just like the “Kiss” in Connecticut.</p>
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		<title>By: brendanx</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/20/they-call-him-mr-19/#comment-1285534</link>
		<dc:creator>brendanx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Pitiful.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pitiful.</p>
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		<title>By: xebecs</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/20/they-call-him-mr-19/#comment-1285524</link>
		<dc:creator>xebecs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For bumper stickers, how about using &lt;strong&gt;W&lt;/strong&gt;cCain, with the W in bold red?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For bumper stickers, how about using <strong>W</strong>cCain, with the W in bold red?</p>
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		<title>By: joeldbloom</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/20/they-call-him-mr-19/#comment-1285500</link>
		<dc:creator>joeldbloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;(I already left this comment at Atrios, but it bears repeating here, since this 19% figure is getting a lot of play.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d like to add to the previous comments about how bad ARG is. Scroll down to the bottom of their page that you link to, and you’ll see the actual wording of the questions, and the order in which they ask them. Notice that they have a whole battery of questions about the economy first, and then, right at the end of the survey they ask about Bush’s job approval.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is the exact opposite of what a good public opinion poll does. You ask about the core “dependent variable” first (Bush approval) and THEN you ask about the independent variables (views of the economy).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When it’s done right, with the approval question first, you find out what people’s views are of Bush. When it’s done the way ARG does it, with approval last, you find out what people think about Bush after they’ve just been asked a whole bunch of questions about the economy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, OK, from pollsters that actually have some standards and know what the hell they’re doing (i.e., pretty much everyone other than ARG) we know that Bush’ actual job approval is in the low 30% range. From ARG we know that if we get people thinking about the economy, it goes even lower.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s actually useful information, from a message-testing perspective. Democrats need to keep talking about the economy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cheers!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;– Joel&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I already left this comment at Atrios, but it bears repeating here, since this 19% figure is getting a lot of play.)</p>
<p>I’d like to add to the previous comments about how bad ARG is. Scroll down to the bottom of their page that you link to, and you’ll see the actual wording of the questions, and the order in which they ask them. Notice that they have a whole battery of questions about the economy first, and then, right at the end of the survey they ask about Bush’s job approval.</p>
<p>This is the exact opposite of what a good public opinion poll does. You ask about the core “dependent variable” first (Bush approval) and THEN you ask about the independent variables (views of the economy).</p>
<p>When it’s done right, with the approval question first, you find out what people’s views are of Bush. When it’s done the way ARG does it, with approval last, you find out what people think about Bush after they’ve just been asked a whole bunch of questions about the economy.</p>
<p>So, OK, from pollsters that actually have some standards and know what the hell they’re doing (i.e., pretty much everyone other than ARG) we know that Bush’ actual job approval is in the low 30% range. From ARG we know that if we get people thinking about the economy, it goes even lower.</p>
<p>That’s actually useful information, from a message-testing perspective. Democrats need to keep talking about the economy.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
<p>– Joel</p>
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		<title>By: rosalind</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/20/they-call-him-mr-19/#comment-1285489</link>
		<dc:creator>rosalind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;“Should we enlarge it, crop it, make it brighter, sharper?”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;mmm, perhaps something in papier mache?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>“Should we enlarge it, crop it, make it brighter, sharper?”</em></p>
<p>mmm, perhaps something in papier mache?</p>
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		<title>By: FrankProbst</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/20/they-call-him-mr-19/#comment-1285488</link>
		<dc:creator>FrankProbst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I thought I would mention to you that Kirk Watson is a good guy and definitly NOT STUPID despite your opinions to the contrary, as expressed in a prior post. I’ve known him many years and will defend him any day.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have no doubt that he’s a good guy, but he was clearly caught flat-footed.  My comment was meant more as a dig at Texas politicians than at Watson.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I thought I would mention to you that Kirk Watson is a good guy and definitly NOT STUPID despite your opinions to the contrary, as expressed in a prior post. I’ve known him many years and will defend him any day.</p>
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<p>I have no doubt that he’s a good guy, but he was clearly caught flat-footed.  My comment was meant more as a dig at Texas politicians than at Watson.</p>
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		<title>By: rdwdkw</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/20/they-call-him-mr-19/#comment-1285459</link>
		<dc:creator>rdwdkw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane, so much for the judgement and wisdom of the SCOTUS for giving him the election. Nice going guys, you share the blame.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, so much for the judgement and wisdom of the SCOTUS for giving him the election. Nice going guys, you share the blame.</p>
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		<title>By: Maddy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/20/they-call-him-mr-19/#comment-1285452</link>
		<dc:creator>Maddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good point Demi,&lt;br /&gt;
Was called on my own baloney this morning in a phone conversation. We can be effective and kick ass without that..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Demi,<br />
Was called on my own baloney this morning in a phone conversation. We can be effective and kick ass without that..</p>
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