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		<title>By: MadisonGuy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/wisconsinhawaii-results-thread-2/#comment-1285582</link>
		<dc:creator>MadisonGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://letterfromhere.blogspot.com/2008/02/talking-to-different-kind-of-exit.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Talking to a different kind of exit pollster after casting my vote in the Wisconsin primary.&lt;/a&gt; The young woman who interviewed me on a cold Wisconsin night was an Iraq War vet. She wasn’t conducting a survey for the media but about the media.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://letterfromhere.blogspot.com/2008/02/talking-to-different-kind-of-exit.html" rel="nofollow"> Talking to a different kind of exit pollster after casting my vote in the Wisconsin primary.</a> The young woman who interviewed me on a cold Wisconsin night was an Iraq War vet. She wasn’t conducting a survey for the media but about the media.</p>
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		<title>By: kenoshaMarge</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/wisconsinhawaii-results-thread-2/#comment-1284770</link>
		<dc:creator>kenoshaMarge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Of course more people think Hillary Clinton makes unfair attacks than Obama does. They’ve been told so over and over again. Media headlines “Clinton Attacks” and “Obama Responds”. I honestly believe it’s all over for Hillary Clinton and I’m heartsick. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve watched my candidate take a pounding from MSM and most of Left Blogostan and it has made me sick. I’ve been excoriated on “liberal” blogs for being a Hillary supporter with more vitriol than I used to get attacked by Rightwing Trolls.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Primary is probably all over but the shouting and I think Obama will win.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  I don’t like Republicans and so will never vote for McCain. But I don’t like sexists and their surrogates any better and thus my conscience and my integrity will never allow me to vote for Obama.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course more people think Hillary Clinton makes unfair attacks than Obama does. They’ve been told so over and over again. Media headlines “Clinton Attacks” and “Obama Responds”. I honestly believe it’s all over for Hillary Clinton and I’m heartsick. </p>
<p>I’ve watched my candidate take a pounding from MSM and most of Left Blogostan and it has made me sick. I’ve been excoriated on “liberal” blogs for being a Hillary supporter with more vitriol than I used to get attacked by Rightwing Trolls.</p>
<p>The Primary is probably all over but the shouting and I think Obama will win.</p>
<p>  I don’t like Republicans and so will never vote for McCain. But I don’t like sexists and their surrogates any better and thus my conscience and my integrity will never allow me to vote for Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/wisconsinhawaii-results-thread-2/#comment-1284581</link>
		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Report from Wisconsin from my youngest brother’s wife:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;My republican family all voted in the democratic primary in order to affect the outcome. This has never happened before. We have an open primary and my mom and Dad voted for Obama because they didn’t want Clinton to win…and my sister and brother in law supposidly voted for Clinton (they are extreme Clinton haters) because they think McCain can beat her…but they also hate McCain. From the sounds of it, many GOP voted against Clinton by voting for Obama…so who knows how to interpret the results.. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What was very apparent though, that the main male politician, Govenor and Milwaukee mayor supported Obama and all the women….L. Gov, mayor Madison, Rep Tammy Baldwin,plus about 10 others all support Clinton. She was snowed in here on Sunday and they all drove around and had great fun dropping in on places unexpectedly. She did not expect to win because of the open primary structure and did just enough to make sure that she still gets delegates. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Curiouser and curiouser!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Report from Wisconsin from my youngest brother’s wife:</p>
<blockquote><p>My republican family all voted in the democratic primary in order to affect the outcome. This has never happened before. We have an open primary and my mom and Dad voted for Obama because they didn’t want Clinton to win…and my sister and brother in law supposidly voted for Clinton (they are extreme Clinton haters) because they think McCain can beat her…but they also hate McCain. From the sounds of it, many GOP voted against Clinton by voting for Obama…so who knows how to interpret the results.. </p>
<p>What was very apparent though, that the main male politician, Govenor and Milwaukee mayor supported Obama and all the women….L. Gov, mayor Madison, Rep Tammy Baldwin,plus about 10 others all support Clinton. She was snowed in here on Sunday and they all drove around and had great fun dropping in on places unexpectedly. She did not expect to win because of the open primary structure and did just enough to make sure that she still gets delegates. </p>
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<p>Curiouser and curiouser!</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hawaii Caucus Report:&lt;br /&gt;
I just got back from my Democratic Caucus in Honolulu (District 25), and it was a phenomenal night! We had a huge line of &lt;strong&gt;new voters&lt;/strong&gt;, and another huge line of people registering as Democrats for the first time– so many that we ran out of Democratic Party registration forms! If we had designed the influx better, we would have had a third line for registered voters who are already members of the Democratic party, but weren’t sure which precinct they were in (we would have processed everyone faster.) People had gotten word of a possible huge turnout. I brought a friend with a disability and arrived early, about 5:30 (voting was to begin at 7 PM). At that time, almost everyone there was a volunteer worker, but soon people coming to vote were arriving early. Some came expecting to vote early, registered, and then had to leave before voting even began. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Everyone had to go to their precinct table to await the official time for the caucus vote, 7:00 - 7:30 PM. The procedure was that everyone had to sign in at their precinct, get a ballot and vote. Unfortunately, we had no microphone or loudspeakers in the room full of hundreds of people! The poor district president had to try to shout over the din to move us along to the next point on the “agenda”. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It was then up to the precinct officers (like me) who had to match up sign-ins with votes in order to validate. We didn’t have to match each vote with each sign-in, but the totals had to match. We basically had to trust that people would not vote unless they had signed in, and that they would only vote once! Some precincts quickly ran out of Precinct Sign-in forms, and I barely had enough. Our tables were filled to overflowing. Once balloting started at 7:00, there was mayhem for a while. In my precinct, everyone left as soon as they voted. No one in my precinct stayed for the “party business” that was supposed to come next. But even after my tables had voted and emptied out, there were still long lines with new voters, and newly registering Democrats who needed to know what precinct they were in. Consequently, I was kept busy with a trickle of voters long after the voting was supposed to end. Finally, about 8:00, we got the call (or “shout”) to start counting ballots. Of course, the ballots in each precinct had to be signed off by two people. By this point, I was the only person left in my precinct, so I had to get help from another precinct.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There were FOUR names on the ballot: Clinton and Obama, of course, but also Kucinich and Edwards, even though they had dropped out, and “Uncommitted.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My precinct, most of which was easy walking distance from the school Obama attended, went heavily for Obama, 56-8. All precincts in our District went heavily for Obama, about 3:1.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hawaii Caucus Report:<br />
I just got back from my Democratic Caucus in Honolulu (District 25), and it was a phenomenal night! We had a huge line of <strong>new voters</strong>, and another huge line of people registering as Democrats for the first time– so many that we ran out of Democratic Party registration forms! If we had designed the influx better, we would have had a third line for registered voters who are already members of the Democratic party, but weren’t sure which precinct they were in (we would have processed everyone faster.) People had gotten word of a possible huge turnout. I brought a friend with a disability and arrived early, about 5:30 (voting was to begin at 7 PM). At that time, almost everyone there was a volunteer worker, but soon people coming to vote were arriving early. Some came expecting to vote early, registered, and then had to leave before voting even began. </p>
<p>Everyone had to go to their precinct table to await the official time for the caucus vote, 7:00 &#8211; 7:30 PM. The procedure was that everyone had to sign in at their precinct, get a ballot and vote. Unfortunately, we had no microphone or loudspeakers in the room full of hundreds of people! The poor district president had to try to shout over the din to move us along to the next point on the “agenda”. </p>
<p>It was then up to the precinct officers (like me) who had to match up sign-ins with votes in order to validate. We didn’t have to match each vote with each sign-in, but the totals had to match. We basically had to trust that people would not vote unless they had signed in, and that they would only vote once! Some precincts quickly ran out of Precinct Sign-in forms, and I barely had enough. Our tables were filled to overflowing. Once balloting started at 7:00, there was mayhem for a while. In my precinct, everyone left as soon as they voted. No one in my precinct stayed for the “party business” that was supposed to come next. But even after my tables had voted and emptied out, there were still long lines with new voters, and newly registering Democrats who needed to know what precinct they were in. Consequently, I was kept busy with a trickle of voters long after the voting was supposed to end. Finally, about 8:00, we got the call (or “shout”) to start counting ballots. Of course, the ballots in each precinct had to be signed off by two people. By this point, I was the only person left in my precinct, so I had to get help from another precinct.  </p>
<p>There were FOUR names on the ballot: Clinton and Obama, of course, but also Kucinich and Edwards, even though they had dropped out, and “Uncommitted.”</p>
<p>My precinct, most of which was easy walking distance from the school Obama attended, went heavily for Obama, 56-8. All precincts in our District went heavily for Obama, about 3:1.  </p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: bonkers</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/wisconsinhawaii-results-thread-2/#comment-1284465</link>
		<dc:creator>bonkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A problem with your reasoning is that I’ve been hearing the exact opposite from friends of mine that work at fairly high levels of campaigns, including some in WI, and the word is out to vote for Hillary in open primaries if you’re a Repub.  I saw a video online from WI that exit polled a bunch of voters in a “red” district, and nearly half said they were Repubs voting for Hillary since the Repub Party told them to.  They seemed giddy about it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Poll after poll is now showing Obama opening up double-digit leads over McCan’t across the country, while at the same time, Hillary loses to St. John almost across the board.  My own anecdotal evidence backs this up, and most people that leave comments here as well.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tpmelectioncentral.talk.....lltracker/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some people are having a hard understanding what’s happening with Obama’s campaign.  The old tricks don’t work anymore.  People are tired of it.  It’s a whole new era in America.  The more Hillary tries to “go negative,” the more ground she loses, so it logically follows that if someone tries to get more negative, they’ll fall even farther.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Only time will tell how Obama will actually be as a President, but that’s true of anyone.  And Deval Patrick has done some dumb things already, so if as you say he’s dropping in popularity (any proof of that?), I’d say it’s about some petty decisions he’s made.  Deval and Barack are two entirely different people with radically different backgrounds.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A problem with your reasoning is that I’ve been hearing the exact opposite from friends of mine that work at fairly high levels of campaigns, including some in WI, and the word is out to vote for Hillary in open primaries if you’re a Repub.  I saw a video online from WI that exit polled a bunch of voters in a “red” district, and nearly half said they were Repubs voting for Hillary since the Repub Party told them to.  They seemed giddy about it.</p>
<p>Poll after poll is now showing Obama opening up double-digit leads over McCan’t across the country, while at the same time, Hillary loses to St. John almost across the board.  My own anecdotal evidence backs this up, and most people that leave comments here as well.<br />
<a href="http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/" rel="nofollow">http://tpmelectioncentral.talk&#8230;..lltracker/</a></p>
<p>Some people are having a hard understanding what’s happening with Obama’s campaign.  The old tricks don’t work anymore.  People are tired of it.  It’s a whole new era in America.  The more Hillary tries to “go negative,” the more ground she loses, so it logically follows that if someone tries to get more negative, they’ll fall even farther.</p>
<p>Only time will tell how Obama will actually be as a President, but that’s true of anyone.  And Deval Patrick has done some dumb things already, so if as you say he’s dropping in popularity (any proof of that?), I’d say it’s about some petty decisions he’s made.  Deval and Barack are two entirely different people with radically different backgrounds.</p>
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		<title>By: quakerboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>quakerboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;so far, Hillary has more votes than McCain, Huck and Paul combined in WI. And thats without even considering that Barak has yet more than that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so far, Hillary has more votes than McCain, Huck and Paul combined in WI. And thats without even considering that Barak has yet more than that.</p>
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		<title>By: greenwarrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenwarrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 04:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;you can early vote anywhere, just about anytime. check this website for places and times: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.traviscountytax.org/goVotersEarlyVote.do&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;for precinct caucus on feb 4, call obama campaign to get a ride to your precinct.  or vote right before the caucus and do it all at once.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you can early vote anywhere, just about anytime. check this website for places and times: <a href="http://www.traviscountytax.org/goVotersEarlyVote.do" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>for precinct caucus on feb 4, call obama campaign to get a ride to your precinct.  or vote right before the caucus and do it all at once.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/wisconsinhawaii-results-thread-2/#comment-1284020</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 04:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oooh! We have a new impolite visitor who likes to call names. “Obamapods”? Wonder where that’s from?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooh! We have a new impolite visitor who likes to call names. “Obamapods”? Wonder where that’s from?</p>
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		<title>By: lee5</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/wisconsinhawaii-results-thread-2/#comment-1284010</link>
		<dc:creator>lee5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 04:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;oops .. meant to quote Petrocelli at 225&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops .. meant to quote Petrocelli at 225</p>
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		<title>By: lee5</title>
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		<dc:creator>lee5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 04:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/02/obama_campaign_manager_clinton.html?hpid=topnews&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blog.washingtonpost.com.....id=topnews&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;wise words … we gotta win the nov GE big cause they’re sure gonna do everything they can to steal it … only chance is waaay big margins.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>wise words … we gotta win the nov GE big cause they’re sure gonna do everything they can to steal it … only chance is waaay big margins.</p>
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