Jane !

It’s the dems to blow.

Shhhhhhh………..

CNN’s playing Hillary’s speech right now.

wow…. two in a row…. from someone who has already voted, getting tried of the nitpicking…. look at the vote numbers…. Holy cow….. Dems blew away all the Repugs…

Dang, katymine, you’re quick!

epu’d:

Good evening dear friends.

As a Texas Dem who reads a fair bit of political news each day (and blogwhores it towards this site), I was surprised to hear Obama mention that we have a caucus as well as a primary on the 4th. Anyone know about this?
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I hope this doesn’t sound too harsh, but the entire purpose of this long grinding exercise is to beat the Repugs into total and complete submission. It is quite obvious who can accomplish this.

Keep showing that photo. It is going to take us to victory in November. As to WI, it is Hillary’s Last Hurrah. She will fight the March 4 primaries for form’s sake, but her money is drying up. Nobody wants to be on the short side of a bet, and her bet is now long odds. People who have wealth at stake have an interest in not antagonizing the next POTUS. They can’t afford to take chances. She’s cooked.

Norah!

The GOP is dying. Someone tell the media.

-G

I’ve heard Edwards doesn’t care for Obama. What happens if he gives his delegates to Clinton?

Just a little comment about the concession speech (controversy) by HRC that Obama should have waited for before he made his victory speech.

HRC did not make a concession speech.

Obama had every right to make a speech at any time.

YA YA YA YA YA
They can’t hear you

Rachael’s on MSNBC

If Clinton was scheduled to speak at 8:30 and was late, is it really Obama’s problem?

Awesome - now we get to watch the Clinton camp get even sleazier! And lose by even greater margins!

Question for the upcoming days: will we be able to discern any difference between what Clinton says and what McCain says? They already sound identical in their pooh-poohing of hope.

Let’s not get overconfident. Do you really think the GOP is simply going to roll over and play dead? This will be a full contact election for every post that matters! Swiftboating works.

Boxturtle (Bill Clinton is dating your granddaughter!)

And she’s looking fine tonight!

The Democrats clearly don’t give a red shit about the race or gender of their leaders.

Look at the numbers.

-G

P.S. Sen. Clinton took a real hit for negative ads according to exit polls.

Good point, and that could definitely happen.

In response to the pre-emption of Hillary’s speech by Obama, when did MSNBC cut in? Hil’s speech was scheduled for 9:00 to 10:00. Did she run over?

this is an important point … the GE will be nasty. and the thugs will pull out every stop … keep yr eyes on the ball, folks!

Found this at the Orange Lord’s site. Hope it’s useful.

Rachel is amazing and beautiful.

It was scheduled for 8:30 and started late.

Pat on MSNBC is saying that McCain can get Hilary’s voters he never says why? I’ve yet to hear any Hilary supporter say I will vote for McCain rather than Obama.
I hope Pat, Karl and the GOP is believing the Magic numbers of the ”math”.

Wisconsin
60% precincts

56% Obama
43% Clinton

OT.

Iraq update. Al Sadr has reportedly called off cooperation with SIIC the other large Shiite political group. This may be a sign that he’s going to pull the plug on cooperating with the US.

McCain and Bush have left the US troops in a very bad spot.

-G

They plastered WI with negative ads the last few days — the article about Mark Penn that I linked up earlier in my piece on Clinton campaign strategic errors talked about how they were worried about spending that money just to keep things close there.

interesting to see that obama got a higher percentage of votes than mcbushain did. add that to clinton getting more votes than all thugs and it’s looking pretty encouraging for us …

Wisconsin came through, saw the negative campaign and the really stretched move to the solutions argument. For the moment, it is a good time.

And, the plus is that the republican turnout was abysmal.

Get used to it, we’ll probably run it a couple of thousand times before November.

Will the MSM talk about total GOP vs Dem numbers?

and we do want negative campaigns to be negatively reinforced, no?

I should scan some of the lit pieces Hillary sent out and post them. I only have a couple because we’re not in the demographic most of them targeted. I wonder if my parents kept theirs…

no, that’s waaaay too scary. And sets things up wrong for the inevitable vote fraud come november …

Last I saw, he had 26 delegates. Not significant.

Check this out, too:

http://www.burntorangereport.c.....aryId=4877

Not likely. They want McClusterfuck to win.

I’ve heard Edwards doesn’t care for Obama. What happens if he gives his delegates to Clinton?

I suspect that there would be many that would “rebel”. And I’m unsure if a candidate whose campaign is suspended can insist his delegates vote for anyone but HIM on the first ballot, thereafter they are released from that committment. But it is their own decision.

I Can So Not Keep Up Here Tonight.
But, yeah, Rach’s wearing a lot of mascara tonight. And poofier hair. Oh God, I just hope she doesn’t go blonde.
I’m just kidding y’all.
Too much speeches talk in my head.

Can someone help me please? I wrote a letter to Senator Stabenow after I was told (and looked - I thought) that she voted for giving immunity to the telecoms. Tonight I received a reply from her (below) Am I wrong? Is she wrong? Do I owe her an apology? Is she lying?

Remembering your interest . .

. . in the issue of warrantless wiretapping and domestic surveillance programs, I wanted to write to you with an update on recent Congressional action.

On February 12, I voted against the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Amendments Act. This legislation would have endorsed the Bush Administration’s warrantless wiretapping program. I voted against similar legislation last year. I share your grave concerns about this program and its lack of oversight. This legislation also included full immunity for telecommunications companies that cooperated with the Administration’s wiretapping program. Full immunity prevents these important constitutional issues from getting a hearing in the courts. Because of this, and because the legislation did not go far enough to protect the civil liberties of American citizens, I opposed the FISA bill.

The House of Representatives did not include immunity in its version of the bill, and President Bush has threatened a veto. As this issue continues to be debated in Congress, I will continue to fight for our civil liberties and to hold the Bush Administration accountable for its actions. As always, please don’t hesitate to contact me if my office can be of assistance to you or your family.

Sincerely,

Debbie Stabenow

United States Senator

DS:bs

lol, I was downstairs rattling of to myself. I better lay off the ‘happy’ tea

Good for America. Homelandians….well, that’s their problem.

Got a link?

I would posit that Hillary’s ads have a net negative affect on her numbers. 2/3 of Obama’s victories come from his campaign message, and the other 1/3 comes from Hillary’s inept and narrow message. I bet that Obama’s staff enjoys every last stale and useless ad that Clinton puts out and racks it up as a net positive for them.

Maybe this is easier for me to see because I am not really a Democrat.
OK, so I am registered as one in IL so that I can vote in the primary, but, honestly, if the Republican party would ever field anything other than total idiots and really big time crooks (as opposed to persons with petty ethical challenges otherwise known as human beings) I might consider the option.
That said, is there anyone in the room who doesn’t think that the next SCOTUS appointment is crucial. or who doesn’t think that their least favorite Democratic contender would not be a quantum improvement in domestic and foreign policy implimentation.
It’s all about magnitude.
NAFTA emerged under the Clinton Administration, and there was 8 years of ineffective Iraq policy, and a heath care reform iniative which went nowhere.
But 8 years of RNC/Bush/Cheney have made those shortcomings look like a friggen Golden Age.
And I will work my ass off to return mediocrity … or empty suite platitudes … or if we are lucky, real progress from eiother candidate.
Because the alternative is simply unthinkable.
So
Hillary is has the potential to be the best President this nation has seen in…oh 50 years.
And Obama has the potential to be a true uniter of a divided nation and an inspirational leader.
I gotta like both choices.
Neither will pick a cabinet of misfit losers and idiots.
We win either way.

That will certainly keep you warm … *g*

Or share it around!

here’s the nyt also worrying about the propriety of “competing” speeches between obama and clinton …

Stephanie!

Been there, done that! I’ll probably be ready to start the “happy tea” tomorrow, the way my cold is progressing… Glad you came upstairs!

Um…yeah. Which is why I did a whole article earlier today on strategic blunders.

Okay, I only watch “Law & Order” and “The Wire”, so I’m not clear on what all of this unfair “attacking” is that they’re talking about. Hillary’s ads saying Obama wouldn’t debate her? I guess that’s an attack. An inept one, but still an attack. But I don’t see how it’s “unfair”. Ditto for the plagiarism accusation. Were there unfair attacks that I missed?

That’s funny. Been there.

The Democrats clearly don’t give a red shit about the race or gender of their leaders.

Look at the numbers.

The WI exit poll (in which a vast majority of whites and women supported a mixed-race, male candidate) actually asked if race or sex was a factor. Almost no one said it was a deciding factor in their vote. 86% said race was not a factor in their decision (of the 12% that said it was one of many factors the vote split evenly). Only 15% said that gender was an important factor (65% of those went towards Clinton).

Is the peanut all better now?

Thank you.

OK, so I am registered as one in IL so that I can vote in the primary, but, honestly, if the Republican party would ever field anything other than total idiots and really big time crooks (as opposed to persons with petty ethical challenges otherwise known as human beings) I might consider the option.

of course, if they ran someone else, they wouldn’t actually be republicans? if you want to be corrupt and on the gravy train, but not a total idiot or big time crook, don’t you run as a DINO? < end snark >

McCain is a VERY reckless man. He’s saying that Obama says he’ll ‘bomb Pakistan’. That is really an outrageous and dangerous thing to say.

Obama said nothing of the sort and McCain is lying and spreading dangerous news in order to prop up his pathetic campaign.

Obama better slam this shiny headed warmonger poste haste.

-G

Well said.
And I love the way,he lights up the young people.

Can you name anything he’s accomplished?

– Tweety

Ah, the Gray Lady has taken to the fainting couch, clutching her pearls…

Negative ads do work. Sometimes they work on the attackee and sometimes they work against the attacker.

-G

which I didn’t see till now. as always, thanks! your’s are always among the must-reads. greatly appreciated.

Glad I got the chance to vote for Edwards, even in a non- binding primary…I remember reading HRC’s book when it came out, and reflecting on how much I admired her, when I was done…I so want to support her. But man, the negative ads (Thou Shalt Speak No Ill Of Another Democratic Candidate), the telecom money, the healthcare money, the war…she makes it freaking difficult!

Hey demi

happily, I have a few bottles of cachaca left from my christmas visit home and would gladly share the wealth lol

List Barack Obama’s accomplishments as a US Senator– now.

-Tweety

Will the MSM talk about total GOP vs Dem numbers?

Republicans decided to stay home besides their big fireplaces and watch porn.

Chris Matthews is now being a raging dickhead.

-G

Can you name anything he’s accomplished?

– Tweety

Obama or McCain?

I don’t believe Sadr was ever cooperating with the US. He had ordered a ceasefire, but not even the sort of “cooperation” that the Sunni tribes have had.

Tweety just set up a state senator with Stephanie Tubbs Jones and has embarrassed him badly.

Tweety should be ashamed

You’re most welcome. It seems an awfully confusing process to me…

and worrying about her investments. oh my god! don’t these people know their place!

Keith’s going to kick Tweety’s ass during the break!

Tweety is using Bill O’Reilly dickhead tactics.

-G

Warning…Feel Good Story Alert!

He’s saying that Obama says he’ll ‘bomb Pakistan’.

This, from the guy who obviously thought it was cute to sing “Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran?” Feh.

That was an interesting bit.
He asked the question about legislative accomplishments about four times and man, the blank look. The uh, uh, uh was so embarassing.
He’s gotta be slamming his forehead on a door on the way out right now.

Here’s a quick (not exhaustive) county wide breakdown for my CD. Real noticeable difference between rural/urban.

HRC is first.

Rural
Oconto 29/29 3,528 50% 3,459 49%
Marinette 22/32 2,218 51% 2,060 47%
Door 28/29 2,649 39% 3,983 59%

Urban
Brown 87/91 17,657 43% 22,928 56%
Outagamie 86/90 11,013 39% 16,997 60%

Looks like I will need to arrange for a ride for that evening. May need a ride to the polls themselves as well. Do I call the Obama campaign? Or the local dem party?

Rachael’s on MSNBC

Rachel (Maddow)…*g*

Is there a pool for when the MSM is going to turn on Obama to provide cover for their man, McCain. They’ve been nipping at the heals a bit but it’s going to turn darkly serious before too long. My guess is in about 6 weeks. If you hated what the MSM did to Gore in 2000 you haven’t seen anything yet.

Point being that anyone residing in Chicago who thinks that Dems are inherently more honest or intelligent thatn Republicans is blind.
Local politics is thick with corruption and idiocy.
But the trash gets picked up and the streets are plowed
Reliably.
Shit, my representitive is Rahm Emmanual - who I assure you is even more repulsive in person.
I have zero personal identification with the Democratic Party.
I just vote for em on a regular basis.

Wow. Keith O basically called Matthews an asshole, which he is.

-G

I turned them off but even Keith was disgusted with that one.

I liked the way KO smacked down Chris there. “This isn’t Hardball”.

No Change McCain!

tweety is an ass for all seasons and never fails to live up to pure assiness

Noron, my love…*g*

“McCain is a VERY reckless man. He’s saying that Obama says he’ll ‘bomb Pakistan’. That is really an outrageous and dangerous thing to say.”
Is McCain nuts its his base that does not care about international rules and wants SOMEBODY to go after Ossama.
Ok to be fair if it means getting Ossama I don’t care either Bush has certainly given Pakistan enough Billions in bribe money er aid to pay for the privilege to go after Ossama in Pakistan.
I think you have just found the one issue which might get us 30%er votes:).

70% Wi precincts

57% Obama
42% Clinton

He was in the guy’s face. But it was a legitimate line of questioning. He should be able to offer up what Obama has to show for his time in the Senate. I’m sure there are talking points for the question somewhere in that Texan’s pocket.

Rachel!
Norah!

Betsy, you can call either.

-G

That man was a Texas State Rep and was probably asked on to say he supported Obama.

Negative campaigning in the primaries=opposition research for Republicans.

that is interesting. we live in a rural part of the front range of Colorado. and in our precinct caucus, the split was 50/50 clinton/obama. while obama won CO 2/3 to 1/3. interesting to see it play out the same way.

*putting on nomex and kevlar lined mod suit and climbing into mod tower. strapping in with 5 pt safety harness and firing up the troll zapper*

g’evening all

as i said on skippy, clinton’s accusation of plagiarism, even if it can be construed as accurate, smacks of desparation on her campaign’s party. if, as she implied, obama is “all hat and no cattle,” why is she making such a big deal of where he got his hat, instead of pointing out his lack of livestock? also:

to make matters worse, hillary then pointed out that obama’s theme of “the audacity of hope” is a direct lift from jesse jackson’s “keep hope alive.”

“also, episode four of the star wars saga is known as ‘a new hope.’ we know that george lucas made that film back in the 70’s, way before obama decided to make speeches.”

but hillary didn’t stop there. “for over 27 years, nbc aired the bob hope christmas specials every holiday season,” she said. “in every episode, the word ‘hope’ was used at least 42 times, if not more.”

“he’s a plagiarist, for sure. jayson blair told me so.”

I gotta say that I am impressed with Obama’s effectiveness.

Republicans decided to stay home besides their big fireplaces and watch porn.

Well, some of them may have been out cross-dressing… You can’t make this stuff up, you know…

50% of precincts later and numbers shift by 1%

hey there suzanne

He made the point and then shoved the mans face in shit. Like the slobbering bully that he is.

He should be relegated to calling Jello wrestling matches.

-G

That’s for sure! He’s good at it, though. I watched him slap Eric Cantor around, and that’s saying something. Cantor is also a world class ass, but Tweety is in a class by himself.

Yep…yep…yep…I loved it! What a putdown, and the people in the studio lapped it up…humiliating for Matthews, who thought he had scored over the state senator Obama supporter…and then ZAP!!!

hey wobbly

Well Hillary has used bits of others campaign speeches in her stump speeches, and she certianly has uncredited speechwriters. Do you believe that she actually writes all those things she presents.

Lastly the fact that Obama and Deval Patrick had used, mutually, much of the same material has been known since last year. It was published in the Boston Herald that they cooperate on message strategy…with each others permission.

So the fact that Hillary does the same thing, and that it’s been well known is an “unfair” attack. It wasn’t plagiarism any more than her not crediting her speechwriters makes her speeches plagiarism. It was done with Deval Patrick’s permission and knowledge.

I believe you are going to need all of it.

Hi there…some night, eh?

Actually, as it turns out, she was talking about Bush being “all hat, no cattle.” Apparently (but not surprisingly) media outlets pulled that quote out of context and misconstrued it to stir the pot. SIGH

Some weeks, it feels like all I’m doing is chasing down improper media errors. I think Media Matters had this earlier…but I can’t remember for sure if that was where I saw the full quote or if it was elsewhere.

Pat just said that the Dems? Obama got more votes than McCain and huck combined, catch me I think I’m goin faint:)

i meant, “on her campaign’s part,” not “party.”

sorry.

hey fern
hey biodun

certainly not crazy about ol’ chris, but interesting to see the clinton campaign trying to argue that super delegates should decide the nomination contrary to primary / caucus results … don’t they realize that the super-d’s will follow the money? and the money is not looking good for the folks from arkansas right now …

Correct. He ordered a stand-down.

Al Sadr’s followers allege they are still under attack. If he calls off his cease fire it could get really bad, really fast.

-G

Now THAT’S a Republican nightmare . . . 1000s of (likely) democratic voters, unwilling to put up with games being played that pu