Comments on: Political Chickens Versus Eggs: Is It Ads Or Campaign Strategy, Mark? http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/political-chickens-versus-eggs-is-it-ads-or-campaign-strategy-mark/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:55:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/political-chickens-versus-eggs-is-it-ads-or-campaign-strategy-mark/#comment-1285095 MarkH Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:30:24 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/political-chickens-versus-eggs-is-it-ads-or-campaign-strategy-mark/#comment-1285095 <p>After Iowa it was clear people wanted ‘change’ and Hillary represented the past.</p> <p>After that it should’ve been clear that she was out and Edwards should’ve picked up those voters. But, Hillary had money to go on and her supporters (zombies that they are) would support her to the end.</p> <p>Well, now we are at the end of her campaign and Edwards has long been out of the picture.</p> <p>I wonder, after she quits will her delegates consider switching to someone else? What would it take for her supporters (voters and delegates) to make that psychological break from zombie-hood to free-person-hood?</p> <p>Odds are nearly 100% that Obama will become President Obama.</p> <p>I wonder, if Iowa hadn’t been such a crappy primary caucus what might’ve been.</p> After Iowa it was clear people wanted ‘change’ and Hillary represented the past.

After that it should’ve been clear that she was out and Edwards should’ve picked up those voters. But, Hillary had money to go on and her supporters (zombies that they are) would support her to the end.

Well, now we are at the end of her campaign and Edwards has long been out of the picture.

I wonder, after she quits will her delegates consider switching to someone else? What would it take for her supporters (voters and delegates) to make that psychological break from zombie-hood to free-person-hood?

Odds are nearly 100% that Obama will become President Obama.

I wonder, if Iowa hadn’t been such a crappy primary caucus what might’ve been.

]]> By: ankhtraveler http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/political-chickens-versus-eggs-is-it-ads-or-campaign-strategy-mark/#comment-1283570 ankhtraveler Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:07:11 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/political-chickens-versus-eggs-is-it-ads-or-campaign-strategy-mark/#comment-1283570 <p>If you want to understand why HRC’s campaign has never really got going, read this Washington Post opinion by James Carville and Mark Penn from July 2nd 2006. </p> <p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/30/AR2006063001478_pf.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....78_pf.html</a></p> <p>Yes it is from 2006, so it seems they had everthing figured out back then and nothing has changed since. And one can only wonder why some people still question her label of inevitablity. The best part though is her 35 years of experience in 2006 which makes me wonder if the last two years haven’t counted or her campaign was just to lazy to update it. Or of course it was just a number plucked out of the air. Maybe the polls can tell us?</p> If you want to understand why HRC’s campaign has never really got going, read this Washington Post opinion by James Carville and Mark Penn from July 2nd 2006.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..78_pf.html

Yes it is from 2006, so it seems they had everthing figured out back then and nothing has changed since. And one can only wonder why some people still question her label of inevitablity. The best part though is her 35 years of experience in 2006 which makes me wonder if the last two years haven’t counted or her campaign was just to lazy to update it. Or of course it was just a number plucked out of the air. Maybe the polls can tell us?

]]> By: PetePierce http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/political-chickens-versus-eggs-is-it-ads-or-campaign-strategy-mark/#comment-1283247 PetePierce Wed, 20 Feb 2008 02:06:10 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/political-chickens-versus-eggs-is-it-ads-or-campaign-strategy-mark/#comment-1283247 <p>Senator Clinton is such a sweet Jalapeno, Habanero, cheeze-head lovin’ woman–how could all those blue collars have abandoned her today?</p> Senator Clinton is such a sweet Jalapeno, Habanero, cheeze-head lovin’ woman–how could all those blue collars have abandoned her today?

]]> By: Tom65 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/political-chickens-versus-eggs-is-it-ads-or-campaign-strategy-mark/#comment-1283199 Tom65 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 01:43:35 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/political-chickens-versus-eggs-is-it-ads-or-campaign-strategy-mark/#comment-1283199 <p>Does it matter? All Mark Penn knows is that it’s never his fault.</p> Does it matter? All Mark Penn knows is that it’s never his fault.

]]> By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/political-chickens-versus-eggs-is-it-ads-or-campaign-strategy-mark/#comment-1283157 cinnamonape Wed, 20 Feb 2008 01:24:58 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/political-chickens-versus-eggs-is-it-ads-or-campaign-strategy-mark/#comment-1283157 <p>Just sent a very angry letter to Dan Abrams at MSNBC about this use of trumped-up propaganda by a ”supposed” News Organization.</p> <p>I told him that it was something that might be expected by Stalin or Hitler in vilifying an ”Enemy of The State”, but is utterly reprehensible in a democracy.</p> <p><a href="mailto:Abrams@msnbc.com" rel="nofollow">Abrams@msnbc.com</a></p> Just sent a very angry letter to Dan Abrams at MSNBC about this use of trumped-up propaganda by a ”supposed” News Organization.

I told him that it was something that might be expected by Stalin or Hitler in vilifying an ”Enemy of The State”, but is utterly reprehensible in a democracy.

Abrams@msnbc.com

]]> By: nonplussed http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/political-chickens-versus-eggs-is-it-ads-or-campaign-strategy-mark/#comment-1283148 nonplussed Wed, 20 Feb 2008 01:22:38 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/political-chickens-versus-eggs-is-it-ads-or-campaign-strategy-mark/#comment-1283148 <p>Right in the middle of the Lunar Eclipse…</p> Right in the middle of the Lunar Eclipse…

]]> By: Hugh http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/political-chickens-versus-eggs-is-it-ads-or-campaign-strategy-mark/#comment-1283120 Hugh Wed, 20 Feb 2008 01:10:30 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/political-chickens-versus-eggs-is-it-ads-or-campaign-strategy-mark/#comment-1283120 <p>OK, I admit to Schadenfreude at Clinton’s predicament. The netroots was there for her to tap into and she blew us off. She didn’t want us for positions and she didn’t want us for organizing. If she had connected with us, she would have our money, talent, and enthusiasm. But fundamentally Clinton is a DINO and she never felt she needed to pay attention to anyone outside the traditional Establishment.</p> OK, I admit to Schadenfreude at Clinton’s predicament. The netroots was there for her to tap into and she blew us off. She didn’t want us for positions and she didn’t want us for organizing. If she had connected with us, she would have our money, talent, and enthusiasm. But fundamentally Clinton is a DINO and she never felt she needed to pay attention to anyone outside the traditional Establishment.

]]> By: RevBev http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/political-chickens-versus-eggs-is-it-ads-or-campaign-strategy-mark/#comment-1283107 RevBev Wed, 20 Feb 2008 01:04:03 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/political-chickens-versus-eggs-is-it-ads-or-campaign-strategy-mark/#comment-1283107 <p>Well, I hope Ax sees Ms McCain’s remark. No way to know what she meant, but the set up was that she was refuting the slant of Ms Obama just becoming proud of her country. Im sure he has seen the piece; maybe the plan is it is not worth a dustup.</p> Well, I hope Ax sees Ms McCain’s remark. No way to know what she meant, but the set up was that she was refuting the slant of Ms Obama just becoming proud of her country. Im sure he has seen the piece; maybe the plan is it is not worth a dustup.

]]> By: rwcole http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/political-chickens-versus-eggs-is-it-ads-or-campaign-strategy-mark/#comment-1283101 rwcole Wed, 20 Feb 2008 01:01:11 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/political-chickens-versus-eggs-is-it-ads-or-campaign-strategy-mark/#comment-1283101 <p>Good to see some gaffes and accusations coming- let’s see how Obama handles it rather than focusing on the incident itself.</p> Good to see some gaffes and accusations coming- let’s see how Obama handles it rather than focusing on the incident itself.

]]> By: LS http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/political-chickens-versus-eggs-is-it-ads-or-campaign-strategy-mark/#comment-1283098 LS Wed, 20 Feb 2008 01:00:18 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/political-chickens-versus-eggs-is-it-ads-or-campaign-strategy-mark/#comment-1283098 <p>Even weirder…it was top diary on Kos…now it is gone…if you click on the story, it says that there is no story there.</p> Even weirder…it was top diary on Kos…now it is gone…if you click on the story, it says that there is no story there.

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