Privately, her mood has darkened after losing eight primaries and caucuses in a row. The realisation that without a series of huge victories in the remaining contests it is impossible for Clinton to win enough “pledged” delegates to clinch the nomination has sent her staff into shock.
…Tempers have been running high within the Clinton camp.
Her chief strategist, Mark Penn, got into a slanging match with the media consultant Mandy Grunwald at Clinton’s campaign headquarters. “Your ad doesn’t work,” he fumed.
“Oh it’s always the ad, never the message,” Grunwald shot back. Insiders say the atmosphere is dark, even though the fight is not over yet. Loyalty to Clinton remains strong, but there have been too many chiefs and not enough Indians, they complain.
The friends of Bill or “white boys”, as Penn and Terry McAuliffe, the campaign chairman, are known, have long viewed “Hillaryland” – the closed circle of female friends – with suspicion.
Patti Solis Doyle, who coined the term “Hillaryland” and was axed as Clinton’s campaign manager last week, found herself in the midst of rows. “There was a feeling that nobody was in charge,” said one observer. “She would try to play honest broker and go to Hillary with, ‘Mark says this, Mandy says that, Howard [Wolfson, her communications chief] says this’ when what they needed was a general.”…
Time that should be spent courting voters is now being devoted to fundraising after staff blew through a mind-boggling $130m and still ended up out-organised by Obama. In Wisconsin, a largely white working-class state that Clinton should be able to win on Tuesday, precious resources are being spent on a blast of negative advertisements challenging Obama’s refusal to debate with Clinton. (emphasis mine)
Where have the strategists inside the Clinton campaign been on the issue of delegates? It’s long been apparent that the math is not trending in their direction. Which makes these reports on flubbing in Texas and Pennsylvania all the more troubling. And makes the reported snippy Mark Penn accusations above seem like a lot of CYA hot air. (More here from MyDD on the delegate issue.)
So much for the Penn power point mystique, I suppose.
One of the biggest gripes about the Kerry campaign, aside from the failure to immediately pushback against the myriad lies from Bush and his allies, was that there were far too many people calling the shots but with no real shots being taken. With the biggest error of all of these being the failure to put real efforts into the grassrots organizing on the ground in every battleground location early on, and to work at building those connections into a strong network of grassroots operations from there outward.
If strategists in the Clinton camp failed to heed these lessons on preventable errors, that is astonishing. What does Penn have to say about all of this? Recently he’s been quoted comparing the Clinton campaign to the surging Walter Mondale primary of 1984. (No, I’m not kidding.)
While Democratic participation has been up substantially in this primary season thus far — with energy in early primary states directed at both the Clinton and Obama campaigns. The efforts that Obama’s staff have put into grassroots organization across the board, drawing in new voters including their fantastic success with the youth vote have been nothing short of amazing.
If the Clinton campaign only coordinated these efforts initially — as seems perhaps to be the case — in the early primary states, banking on a knock-out early in the primaries, then that was a huge error on the strategic end of things that no ad campaign is going to fix.
In the meantime, the scramble for voters and delegates continues, with a primary in Wisconsin and a caucus in Hawaii today, and lots of squabbling over who said what with whose permission in between. In the end though, it’s isn’t strategists or ad-makers who get the last say — it’s the voters. And we’re about to get the opinions of two more states this evening.
(YouTube of one of the Clinton ads from Ohio. I get where they are trying to go with this, but the script is choppy and the ad leaves me flat. What do you think?)
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Christy!
Wisconsin and Hawaii don’t count.
Excellent post Christy!!!
Oh so poignant! I’m still amazed that Penn is still around…!
I loved that Grunwald smacked him right back. Hello pot, this is kettle…
Bite your tongue, I think this is the first time that Hawaii does have relevance…!
Wait…isn’t Hillary the boss of her campaign? If she wants to be President, she better act like it.
Hillary tried to ride bein a front runner to the house- but it was bein a front runner that doomed her. Now Obama’s the front runner- with a shorter run ahead. We’ll see if he holds up. Odds are in his favor.
Hi Christy
Seems these people are running a DLC campaign. Just couldn’t get off the ground with this surge (pardon the expression) of new, young voters who are ready to throw the old gang out. Seems that a lot of us oldsters want the same thing.
Bill Clinton’s White Boyz doin’ the White Boy Thang –
Yes, knowing BT, I believe that was intended as snark. OTOH, living in WV with a democratic primary date of May — if we go that long for it to be imperative for the campaigns? I may have to start drinking more…
The ad is…yawn…boring.
BTW, in it she says too many Americans are one pink slip away from losing their jobs….cough…NAFTA…is a Clinton baby…
“Oh it’s always the ad, never the message,”
Sounds like a reverse New Yorker cartoon caption contest waiting to happen.
You know, the weird thing is that I have spoken with any number of people who are close to her, who have told me that she’s extremely hands on and detail-oriented and the sort of person who likes to be certain that all the contingencies are accounted for before they happen. A national campaign is an insane, unwieldy operation for sure, but this is just completely off the Hillary Clinton details woman stories that I’ve heard.
And Mark Penn is certainly exuding that Bob Shrum “somoene else’s problem” vibe, isn’t he?
I don’t buy the Hillary “hitting a glass ceiling” thing Cafferty is touting…A woman can absolutely be elected right now. If she doesn’t make it, it is because of who she is, not what she is. JMHO
WVa definitely doesn’t count.
Definitely.
The observation here, in this home, is that there are two Democratic campaign chiefs. One is Senator Clinton and the other is Sen. Obama. And the buck stops individually with each… of them. Obama is the ultimate boss of his campaign, for good or bad. As is Clinton.
…then that was a huge error on the strategic end of things…
I hate to say it, but that’s not what one wants to read or hear about someone wants to be the leader of this country.
I just want to clarify myself…I’m not against Hillary…but the proof ends up being in the pudding. She either makes it or she doesn’t.
I’ll drink to that! *cheers* But, Redd is certainly relevant…! *g*
I’m in total agreement.
Our comments aren’t exactly Coke-worthy, but very similar.
(I hadn’t read yours when I wrote mine.)
mwahahahaha — yes, it does, doesn’t it?
Obama will carry Hawaii according to my sources..plus he’s native son…although Hill(ary) has more organization on the ground there.
WI? Obama wins this one hands down. As I said in an early thread this morning, Obama got MN, and in this case, as MN went, so will WI, which is often the case with these neighboring states separated by the St-Croix River…
It is a “multiple” impression. :)
Perhaps the Clintons have ‘outsmarted’ themselves. I don’t know. But something is terribly amiss in Senator Clinton’s campaign. But my tendency is to think it more basic than that. ‘Iraq’. Perhaps.
Poor Mark Penn – still looking for a way to top himself for the work he did on the carbon tax during Pres. Clinton’s term.
Of course, the fact Penn worked against the carbon tax – successfully – and in so doing opened up permanent rifts between Big Dog and Congressional Dems has always been the turd in the campaign’s punchbowl.
Good old Mark Penn – a perfect choice to head up the global opinion manipulator, BM.
Of course, in his work “for” Sen. Clinton, perhaps Mark’s scored his greatest win yet – just not for Hillary.
Not surprising that there’s blaming and anger being shown in this campaign- it’s not going well. If they were happy losing- we’d have a BIG story.
Remember when Rove said that she is a fatally-flawed candidate…that still haunts me. That was so deliberate. Mark Penn/Karl Rove….dots????
Obama will be the next president. In our home we enthusiastically support him. I can’t wait for the first Obama-McCain debate.
I certainly don’t think that ‘Large Dog’ has helped HRC in her endeavor.
Perhaps it pretty much boils down to warmth and inspiration. Obama has it. Clinton does not.
Im sure that is a very big factor.
HRC’s comment about “finding her voice”…WTF???
Bad advice pre-war Iraq.
Bad advice in the campaign.
HRC needs to “think for herself” and “speak for herself”. Stop listening to bad advice…it might be too late, we’ll see.
Hillary peaked way too soon. Obama is just peaking now. Timing.
If you’re still up for the Late, Late thread tonite, I’ll be posting my thoughts about the caucus!
An excellent analysis by a former Lamont staffer –
Is Hillary Ill-Served By Her Campaign?
“Wisconsin and Hawaii don’t count.”
Hey! Watch your language! I grew up in Wisconsin, and now live in Hawaii! Them’s fightin’ words!
Bob in HI
Excellent — can’t wait to hear your impressions on your caucus, too. Great to have some readers in Hawaii.
Anyone out there vote today in Wisconsin? If so, how has turn-out been?
I recently moved to the Obama camp (from Hillary’s) because he appears more and more impressive (on many levels) and totally in control of his campaign as the primary drags on, while Hillary has been seriously diminished by major tactical and strategic errors in her campaign and her remarkably dumbass advisors. Even just a couple of weeks ago I never would have imagined her campaign could be so dysfunctional.
And even a few weeks ago I couldn’t have imagined not liking Hillary – but her increasing use of RW tactics (lying, cheating, baseless smearing) against a fellow Dem utterly infuriate me. I will never vote for a rethug, and I will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee, but at this point it would be with distaste. And that is entirely the fault of her campaign.
Who is advising Bill? He’s just not the same Bill as before…again, it might just be bad advice.
Bottom line my lady tells me, and I sgree, is Iraq. Hillary was for it. Obama was not.
I agree.
I think it is one thing to take hits at yourself. It’s another thing to have to watch them aimed at your spouse – and to respond in a measured way. I have to say, I’d want to be protective of Mr. ReddHedd if I were in that spot. (He can attest to my protective streak. *g*)
If I were Hillary, Mark Penn would have been gone a long time ago. He’s an insult to most decent voters. Howard Wolfson wouldn’t be too far behind him. She also needs to, once again, reel in her husband. I liked the way he refused to be attacked about abortion, but that guy from the rope line that I saw on TV last night, he should not have allowed him to become a TV story. All he accomplished there was to give that guy his fifteen minutes of fame.
Perhaps Bill is going through the “change”.
Maybe if Mark Penn “teared up a little…”
The strategy was to carry the inevitability theme up to Super Tuesday and if she still had any competition standing she would crush them then.
Then the inevitability meme was shattered by the country’s mood for change and even ‘unity”.
Clinton has absolutely no chance to be the “Change” or “Unity” candidate, and she had no plan B. Her campaign never considered the possibility that she would still have competition coming out of Super Tuesday.
Now, sadly, they’ve been reduced to petty ankle biting.
i’m looking forward to talking to my mom tonight, she’s been an active Dem in her county for many decades. She loves Obama (he’s UCC, her denomination) but she also likes Hillary. As of last week she hadn’t made up her mind.
Obama is a person for the times. And the people sense that feeling.
I found a video today, which I decided not to link to, because it really showed how she used very similar language to W. It may have been prepared by a Puke, so I don’t want to aid and abet. Oh, that was one of the things in the language that they both used…Saddam aiding and abetting the terrorists.
She should have known. Obama knew:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1LhCch-JEo
I don’t know what the turnout actually is in WI but in spite of freezing cold, the highest turnout in 20 years is expected:
From NRO
I hope its true. thinking of Michelle Obama’s comment that she feels proud to be an American again, I cant imagine how it feels for a AA!
Clusterfuck orders up a “President Castro- tear down this WALL” speech- but someone had to tell him that it’s too late.
Poor ol Clusterfuck. Can’t catch a break.
Don’t you just love the way the media has been telling us that Iraq is no longer on the front burner. Who’s behind that? And what are the motives?
You are right about that. He is in a completely different position than he’s ever been in. At least he is supportive of her which shows he cares, but he needs to “bite his lip” (which he does very well s/) and let her fly. She is a brilliant, capable, organized, hard-working, and dedicated person…without a doubt.
Exactly LS, to me it is not gender, nor is it color, they are both fully qualified to be president, She, in my humble opinion would lead in an entirely been there done that direction, that does nothing but exacerbate the serious issues we face, she voted for the war, has made saber rattling speeches to Aipac, when we truly need the opposite if we are to survive.
Very appropriate vid. ty.
I like the fact that over 70% of Americans think that stopping the Iraq war would improve the economy…! ;-)
#24, I really don’t think Obama has been out-organized in Hawai’i. I’m here on the ground (not working for either one), and he’s gotten spokespeople on the local news for months, while Clinton’s team has been late on that. In addition, he’s got a large network of friends and family here who’ve been working a long time. Until Chelsea Clinton showed up last weekend, there’s been no evidence of the Clinton campaign at all here.
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USA Today/Gallup Poll. Feb. 8-10, 2008. N=1,016 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.
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“Now I am going to read a list of some of the issues that will probably be discussed in this year’s presidential election campaign. As I read each one, please tell me how important the candidates’ positions on that issue will be in influencing your vote for president: extremely important, very important, somewhat important, or not important. How about [see below]?”
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Extremely/
Very Important
%
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The economy 89
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The situation in Iraq 87
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Education 81
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Corruption in government 79
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Health care 79
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Energy, including gas prices 79
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Terrorism 77
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Social Security 73
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The federal budget deficit 73
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Moral values 69
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Medicare 69
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Taxes 69
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The environment, including global warming 62
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Illegal immigration 60
Florida definitely does not count.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/…..evolution/
Oh but if Wisconsin and Hawaii could tonight be the states to send Hillaryland, the White Boyz, the closed circle of female friends and Bill (definitely showing the affects of oxygen deprivation suffered during bypass surgery) back to their respective basements. But, then that may be hoping for too much. New Hampshire was thisclose, then they went and freaked out and kept the race going – I am mad at New Hampshire.
Same in TX with Obama…he was here a long time ago and drew huge crowds…I never heard of HRC being here until this last week.
In the words of Nick VanExall fu(k “im
Blech. Mandy Grunwald, Carville, Begala. Ugh. I hate the thought of that same tired old crowd getting back into the White House. Time for some fresh faces.
Exactly! However, many of the mainstream Dems are in the Clinton camp! She does have a sizable chunk of the party machine behind her…!
BTW, which Isle are ya on?
Good point my friend.
In your opinion, should the United States withdraw troops from Iraq right away, or should the U.S. begin bringing troops home within the next year, or should troops stay in Iraq for as long as it takes to win the war?”
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Withdraw
Right Away Withdraw
Within Year Stay as Long
As It Takes Unsure
% % % %
ALL reg. voters
20 43 31 6
Democrats
32 58 8 2
Independents
19 47 26 8
Republicans
8 24 61 7
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6/7-10/07 Adults
25 43 26 6
1/13-16/07 Adults
19 46 30 5
And we are supposed to be ignorant imbeciles-yea right
Looks to me like we got off the tuna boat……long ago
Yes. We are very much in need of a president who would be skilled in the art and science of diplomacy.
Clinton’s campaign, it’s becoming increasingly obvious, had no post-SuperTuesday plan. That was the day they planned, eighteen months ago, to knock John Edwards out of the race. Everything since then has been on a wing and a prayer — staff changes across the board, sudden discoveries about state rules for delegate apportionment, how to handle Bill, how to keep African-American superdelegate officeholders onboard when 80% of their constituents vote for her rival. Their Plan A blew up unexpectedly — although many outside the campaign saw it coming. Clinton had no Plan B. None.
Obama, clearly, planned for a full campaign. He doesn’t need a Plan B, because he’s still on his Plan A. And it appears to be working.
So, I ask you — who’s ready on Day One? Haven’t we had enough in the people’s White House of non-contingent planning? Haven’t we had enough of folks who don’t plan for things going not quite their way? Haven’t we had enough of entitled politicians?
Oh, and the ad sucks bigtime. The candidate’s voiceover about what’s wrong with BushCo is in direct constrast to the captions at the bottom about her plans. It’s mixed messaging at its worst.
Never have so few spent so much to lose so vast an advantage. And I have to wonder — who is attending all these California fundraisers Bill’s attended this week, that cost $2300 to get in? Who are these new contributors that haven’t been tapped yet? Who’s investing in Hillary’s campaign now?
Among Registered voters, 20 percent want to get out of Iraq NOW, another 43% say “within a year”, 31% say “stay as long as it takes”, 6% don’t have the faintest fuckin idea.
Me? I’m from Oklahoma. I fell off a turnip or a cotton truck. I can’t remember which. But I love tuna fish sands, ;0)
They forgot to add: Throwing Bushco out of office, making them accountable for the mess we are in as evidenced by all of the issues listed in the categories above..
The largest group of voters wants out of Iraq in a year. Trouble is- they said that LAST year.
Decent questions. ;0)
But what about Ghouliani’s $50 Mil for one delegate…? Doesn’t that count? ;-)
Oxymoron: Bushco accountable
Both Hillary and Obama are aiming at the fat part of the curve in sayin “I will take us out of Iraq gradually”. I don’t see any difference in the two on the issue- they’re BOTH chasin the poll numbers.
I am resigned to waiting for Olbermann. And fixing supper.
Forget about the world’s largest Neocon Embassy. Turn it into a University or something.
Get the troops out carefully and responsibly…but get them out of Iraq…and the dayem contractors too. Murtha has the best plan. JMHO
I actually think Hillary has run a pretty good campaign. Compare it to every other campaign, except for Omama’s, and you will find it has been decently run. Have mistakes been made? Of course, but compared to what?
Hillary is where she is today as a result of Obama having run an extraordinary campaign and having caught fire.
For me, the symbolic tell is her campaign’s $500,000 expense for D.C. parking. One “runs” for office, but all those strategists and pollsters parked themselves in D.C. Wonder what Obama’s parking bill is.
No one does gradually like St. McCain – 100 years to get out of Iraq.
OT
Tonight Frontline does Haditha
Bad ad – can’t listen to the ad and watch the captions saying something different with different timing.
Who will you be voting for?
Yeah- that one’s hard to beat. What’s going to be interesting is how he pivots on that message after the convention. It’s way out of step with the voters.
I voted for Edwards. In the general I’ll be voting dem- as I always do.
Bury my heart at wounded knee. Bury my heart in Iraq.
Pretty good only if compared to junior high races for student body president.
Good, my friend. I suspected as much. ;0)
I wish I could have had the chance to vote for Edwards. I will vote Dem.
just got done talking to my 79 yr-old-mom in Wisconsin (town on MN border). In between doing good deeds she voted for Hillary. She said if it had been close, she’d have voted for Obama but since it seemed like he’d win with a comfortable lead, she wanted to give Hillary a vote of confidence. Then she marveled at a woman and a black running for president in her lifetime. Then she mentioned how much she, and everyone she knows with more than half a brain hates Bush. Polls weren’t swamped when she was there at noon. One of her friends is a worker there, expected more people than had actually shown. But, being that it’s a border town and most people work in the Mpls/St Paul metro, she expects it to be swamped when people get off work.
OT
Cynthia McKinney, Green party candidate, is on CSPAM 1 now, don’t know how long she’s been talking tho, sorry.
As far as I can remember, I’ve never voted for a gooper for anything. I would probably have voted for Nixon in 60 and Goldwater in 64- but I was too young to vote.
speaking of Wisconsin, has anyone heard from noonan today yet?
That “seems he’ll win with a comfortable lead so I’ll vote for her” vote is how she won in NH, iirc.
Might as well play golf as goin to the trouble to vote for a green. Same outcome.
The time is approaching to unite. I think is serves no purpose to highlight the similarities in a negative way between Obama and Hillary. I am not at all unwilling to to indicate which candidate I support. I am for Obama.
My county supervisor is a Green. It’s a real party here, and elsewhere.
yes, my mom was quite torn between the two, i was wondering how she’d end up voting.
For some first hand accounts of WI voting, you can check out this Dkos thread with 400+ comments:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..967/459736
Damn New Hampshire
Oh my. If this diarist at Kos is right…..we need to find out:
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/…..770/459925
The first green officeholder in San Diego County is yet to be born I suspect.
Might as well play golf as goin to the trouble to vote for a green. Same outcome.
that kind of bunker mentality is a trap… :~)
Lahoma and I miss The City. ;0)
Well- blast it- there goes my sand game.
Tee-hee.
“playing through!”
But if you know rw, you know it’s par for the course.
(And yes, I’m feeling better today. Why do you ask? *g*)
I’ve been wondering for a while, given that Bill Clinton is such a consummate political animal, whether he’s been doing some weird passive aggressive thing… “I’m the only President in this family.” It’s the only way I can explain the nearly terminal case of foot-in-mouth disease he’s suddenly come down with.
Well, so you say. But, I think if you were to compare it with other campaigns, McCain’s, Rudy’s, Romney’s, Thompson’s, Edward’s, Biden’s and Dodd’s, it would not seem so jr. highish.
Plus, as we go forward, I think it would be in our best interests to attribute Obama’s victory to his excellence as opposed to his vanquished opponents incompetence.
But, you probably are way ahead of me in thinking this through.
I see you’re back on your game.
His problems come from spending too much time with the Bush family.
He’s just chipping in…but he’s a little green at it.
A cold can be a nasty handicap.
not to start a controversy… did you hear about the sighed Hill lie?
*crossing fingers* I hope Obama does well tonight.
Just a little flop shot over the trap
Cinderella Story
RE: What do you think?
If your talking about the night shift ad, I think its insulting to any hourly worker. One cannot parallel the late hours of an ambitious politician to the grind of a shift worker trying to “hold on”.
HRCs has no theme to her campaign and is alienating all but her most core group: uneducated women.
she missed her, uhhh, broach shot and had to get a new pin placement.
Until the time Hillary slipped up on the Immigration question, alllll the pundits were saying that she had run a perfect campaign. I agree with you that the mess ups have come here in the later part. I think also that they have a very complicated, and perhaps not much integrity, on the SuperDelegate question.
Raven, you’ve got mail.
Yup, here it is….Michelle Obama says “I am really proud of my country”…the “really” was edited out by MSNBC’s Tucker show, which has caused all kinds of crappola today and completely changes the meaning of what she says. This is pretty outrageous. Here is the actual clip of what she said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..3/3494/127
The Looper
Yea, thanking you and sue. . .how do you do!
I do believe Obama has run a superior campaign. However, respectfully, I also believe that everyone else has run their campaigns with far less vision, organization, fund raising and message clarity. Hillary has bounced around so many times trying the find the theme to her campaign, has allowed internal squabbles to rule, blew a ton of money and then turned junior high equivalent negative. She may still win, but that is not a well run campaign.
Here are the two videos side by side:
http://www.dailykos.com/commen…..4/127#c127
Coming down with a cold — MOST annoying!
We elected a Green Party mayor, Keiko Bonk!
The Clinton campaign messups have come in the later part because their playbook doesn’t have a later part. This was supposed to be over by now.
Mrs Raven stayed in the rack all day trying to avoid the big one.
Grist for KO’s mill?
The candidates and the press corps have a favor to ask of you, CT. Could you arrange to swap caucus dates with Iowa?
#68, I’m on Oahu.
It’s really ticking me off — I’m taking Friday and Monday off to give myself a nice looooong weekend and I’ll probably wind up spending it in my ratty bathrobe sniffling into a Kleenex!
I hope he catches this on time. This is pretty outrageous.
After that one, I can see that I have a fair way to go…
Just keep on hacking away at it . . .
Marion, get a lovely bathrobe and sniffle in style!
No problem- hit the brassy
1,761 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
since I live in the “St. Croix Valley” area of western Wisconsin. I ken give ya a first hand snapshot of votin’ taday. This mornin’ at 0800ish I went directly ta the pollin’ place from work (across the river in Minnesota). The turnout was already “steady” in the words of the folks at the pollin place and two of the elderly women who had worked these things fer years said that it was busier than any primary they’ve been part of this early in the day. My wife went in at 1615 (4:15PM) and folks were jest beginnin ta cique up comin’ in from work…this is a bedroom community but pretty reflective of the area and the poll workers said traffic had been heavy all day and that they expected ta get slammed when folks get in from work if patterns hold.
Jest an impression outta my back pocket, so ta speak, but I’ve lived in this community fer 27 years and I haven’t seen the old workin’ class, Democratic base of this community so excited about strikin’ a blow against Bush AND also against the Clintons who many hold responsible for the mess we’re in now. I haven’t felt the excitement and hope like Obama has generated here since I was 14 years old and listened to my rock-ribbed Republican friends talk about John Kennedy.
I think the reaction to Obama is a reflection of seein’ him in contrast to Mrs. Clinton…there is simply no “there there” in the final analysis for most folks. So Mrs. Clinton’s problem is not with the package but with the message or lack of it. She jest ain’t believable.
KEEP THE FAITH AND FEEL THE VIB!!
Hah, they want the lovely weather here, eh? I don’t blame ‘em! However, isn’t Hawaii a little too diverse for them? ;-)
The Clintons have a soft underbelly. Not the bullshit the Republicans spew. The real one — Obama knows what it is, and his supporters at least sense what it is.
Tweety is talking about it now…they just edited out “really”…
Christy???!!!
Good point. Maybe you could talk the folks in Iowa into holding their caucus meetings in Hawaii.
“OK, all the Biden folks head for Oahu, the Richardson people meet on Maui, . . .”
If their
tour groupcandidate isn’t viable, then they have to switch islands.Apparently. And no one, fair to say, saw the Obama phenomena coming on. I have been feeling like someone’s mother above (Vote for Hillary/a vote for the woman), but now we really need the contest to be finished.
I heard a brief part of Rush today where there were hints of the race slant: that these people taken in by the vision thing are people who have not voted before and basically don’t know how to get things done. I think it was almost the inference that his followes cannot be folks of adult citizenship. I heard of shades of things to come.
I suspect I’ll be delivering a similar account about my caucus, Norske! Keep the faith and pass the ammo, I’ve got yer back! *g*
707! They’ll all end up on Molokai then…! ;-)
I think editing Michelle Obama’s statement is both sexist and racist.
707
i went on his website to find a way to let him know, but didn’t find a way to contact him.
Victor Davis Hanson at the National Review called her a “loose cannon.” My first thought was well, of course she is; she’s African American, she’s a woman and she speaks her mind. How dare she?
1,761 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen RevBev and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Bless yer pure heart, Sister Bev, I think you are on ta sumpthin…we will see if the fascist tactics of Murray Chautner-Richard Nixon-Karl Rove of splittin’ the opposition against itself and destroyin’ the image of the opponent will work this time. And here is where Mrs. Clinton and the DLC come in, she can single handedly split the Democratic Party and push Obama’s negatives up in a losin’ cause and get McCrazy elected or she ken graciously play it out and declare for Obama when the dust settles.
Even then, I don’t think the old politics of slander and fear is gunna work but I wanna see where Clinton comes down…I see Joe Lik*derman vrs. Lowell Wicker comin’ back ta haunt us.
KEEP THE FAITH AND ALL WILL BE REVEALED!!!
And she’s “articulate”.
FYI, David Axelrod was interviewed about the whole thing this morning on Cuppa Joe — and said this is a standard stump speech for her. Apparently the one they’ve been playing was a recent version in which she varied from the usual speech — it was a misstatement. The tape you linked may not be the same event — would have to know dates and times on both to compare.
Somebody at Kos emailed him the two versions, so maybe he’ll get it. It is isn’t just MSNBC that is showing the edited version…Fox too.
NBC Nightly showed Ms McCain responding to Ms. Obama’s statement: saying she has always been proud of her country. I think in a later question she added something like the country has been very good to her, back peddling alittle bit.
Well that is exactly what I needed to hear. Thank you!!!
OT: The President has ordered the failed spy satellite to be shot down tomorrow night at 10:30 ET. Get those tin foil hats ready folks.
The president likes to be able to order for things to be shot.
I just looked at the two clips. Same time stamp top right corner…same clothing…same speech.
yup, that’s what i saw too.
The person at Kos said that at first they were playing the clip with “really” in it and then they started playing it without it.
They just played it again. It is the same clip.
I’m dismayed that Axelrod blew it off. They are running with this.
Axelrod was interviewed about it this morning around 8 am — and I don’t recall what the clip did or did not have in it at that point because I’d just taken The Peanut to school and started sipping my first cuppa coffee.
Even weirder…it was top diary on Kos…now it is gone…if you click on the story, it says that there is no story there.
Good to see some gaffes and accusations coming- let’s see how Obama handles it rather than focusing on the incident itself.
Well, I hope Ax sees Ms McCain’s remark. No way to know what she meant, but the set up was that she was refuting the slant of Ms Obama just becoming proud of her country. Im sure he has seen the piece; maybe the plan is it is not worth a dustup.
OK, I admit to Schadenfreude at Clinton’s predicament. The netroots was there for her to tap into and she blew us off. She didn’t want us for positions and she didn’t want us for organizing. If she had connected with us, she would have our money, talent, and enthusiasm. But fundamentally Clinton is a DINO and she never felt she needed to pay attention to anyone outside the traditional Establishment.
Right in the middle of the Lunar Eclipse…
Just sent a very angry letter to Dan Abrams at MSNBC about this use of trumped-up propaganda by a ”supposed” News Organization.
I told him that it was something that might be expected by Stalin or Hitler in vilifying an ”Enemy of The State”, but is utterly reprehensible in a democracy.
Abrams@msnbc.com
Does it matter? All Mark Penn knows is that it’s never his fault.
Senator Clinton is such a sweet Jalapeno, Habanero, cheeze-head lovin’ woman–how could all those blue collars have abandoned her today?
If you want to understand why HRC’s campaign has never really got going, read this Washington Post opinion by James Carville and Mark Penn from July 2nd 2006.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..78_pf.html
Yes it is from 2006, so it seems they had everthing figured out back then and nothing has changed since. And one can only wonder why some people still question her label of inevitablity. The best part though is her 35 years of experience in 2006 which makes me wonder if the last two years haven’t counted or her campaign was just to lazy to update it. Or of course it was just a number plucked out of the air. Maybe the polls can tell us?
After Iowa it was clear people wanted ‘change’ and Hillary represented the past.
After that it should’ve been clear that she was out and Edwards should’ve picked up those voters. But, Hillary had money to go on and her supporters (zombies that they are) would support her to the end.
Well, now we are at the end of her campaign and Edwards has long been out of the picture.
I wonder, after she quits will her delegates consider switching to someone else? What would it take for her supporters (voters and delegates) to make that psychological break from zombie-hood to free-person-hood?
Odds are nearly 100% that Obama will become President Obama.
I wonder, if Iowa hadn’t been such a crappy primary caucus what might’ve been.