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		<title>By: myiq2xu</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/i-come-to-quote-caesar-not-to-reference-him/#comment-1284611</link>
		<dc:creator>myiq2xu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The effectiveness of the allegation is demonstrated by the attempts to excuse what is clearly plagarism.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Plagarism - passing off someone else’s words or ideas as your own.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Word for word - not similar.  No attribution.  Having permission to use someone else’s words doesn’t excuse plagarism.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If your older brother gave you permission to use his term paper as your own, would that make it something other than plagarism?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The effectiveness of the allegation is demonstrated by the attempts to excuse what is clearly plagarism.</p>
<p>Plagarism &#8211; passing off someone else’s words or ideas as your own.</p>
<p>Word for word &#8211; not similar.  No attribution.  Having permission to use someone else’s words doesn’t excuse plagarism.</p>
<p>If your older brother gave you permission to use his term paper as your own, would that make it something other than plagarism?</p>
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		<title>By: ACitizen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/i-come-to-quote-caesar-not-to-reference-him/#comment-1283176</link>
		<dc:creator>ACitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 01:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting how everyone here just went charging past your post’s excellent book reference to get right into the mosh pit and ‘Obama!’….’Hillary…’ it up. If anyone wants to understand what it will take in a leader to get us out of this mess that book shows you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And, make no mistake, neither The Hill nor Senator ‘Hope’ have got what it takes. She comes closest due to her experience, yes…she has way more than Obama, but lacks the populist fire we need. Edwards might have been able to do it but his campaign was sabatoged by both the corporatist media and the limp dicks, not the stalwart women, of the ’sphere. Kos coming out for Obama is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen in a good long time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe events will make me eat my words…..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But I really doubt it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh well….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Edwards/Edwards ‘12!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting how everyone here just went charging past your post’s excellent book reference to get right into the mosh pit and ‘Obama!’….’Hillary…’ it up. If anyone wants to understand what it will take in a leader to get us out of this mess that book shows you.</p>
<p>And, make no mistake, neither The Hill nor Senator ‘Hope’ have got what it takes. She comes closest due to her experience, yes…she has way more than Obama, but lacks the populist fire we need. Edwards might have been able to do it but his campaign was sabatoged by both the corporatist media and the limp dicks, not the stalwart women, of the ’sphere. Kos coming out for Obama is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen in a good long time.</p>
<p>Maybe events will make me eat my words…..</p>
<p>But I really doubt it.</p>
<p>Oh well….</p>
<p><strong>Edwards/Edwards ‘12!</strong></p>
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		<title>By: SuburbanGrrrl</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/i-come-to-quote-caesar-not-to-reference-him/#comment-1282602</link>
		<dc:creator>SuburbanGrrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;For myself &amp; perhaps others who read FDL &amp; are not inside the commenting exclusivity bubble, posting here has become too much the insiders’ game again IMHO. I’m, I guess, something of an old hand (8/06), but not an overbearing one. Current commenters who post sooo much they turn threads into their personal chat room…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well said. I enjoy reading the stories and (some) posts but you’re right. I feel like I’m at a sorority/frat party sometimes. What’s with the cliquey-ness?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>For myself &amp; perhaps others who read FDL &amp; are not inside the commenting exclusivity bubble, posting here has become too much the insiders’ game again IMHO. I’m, I guess, something of an old hand (8/06), but not an overbearing one. Current commenters who post sooo much they turn threads into their personal chat room…</p>
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<p>Well said. I enjoy reading the stories and (some) posts but you’re right. I feel like I’m at a sorority/frat party sometimes. What’s with the cliquey-ness?</p>
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		<title>By: SuburbanGrrrl</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/i-come-to-quote-caesar-not-to-reference-him/#comment-1282589</link>
		<dc:creator>SuburbanGrrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Since when is politics the same as academia or journalism?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So does this mean politicians now have intellectual property? (President Bush, of course, excluded).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when is politics the same as academia or journalism?</p>
<p>So does this mean politicians now have intellectual property? (President Bush, of course, excluded).</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/i-come-to-quote-caesar-not-to-reference-him/#comment-1282561</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That poll showed that Edwards was well behind the Obama and Clinton in the Democratic race, and had a large number of “undecideds” in the match up vs. the Republicans. Quite simply it showed that people didn’t know who he was or what he stood for. So he had few negatives. At that time Romney was at the top of the Republican polls. McCain was down quite a bit…and all the Democrats were ahead of McCain.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But by January the polls showed that McCain was resurgent, and Edwards was actually almost 10 points behind him in a head-to-head. Obama could beat McCain, and Hillary was in a statistical tie.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Look at the January polls on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pollingreport.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Polling Report&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That poll showed that Edwards was well behind the Obama and Clinton in the Democratic race, and had a large number of “undecideds” in the match up vs. the Republicans. Quite simply it showed that people didn’t know who he was or what he stood for. So he had few negatives. At that time Romney was at the top of the Republican polls. McCain was down quite a bit…and all the Democrats were ahead of McCain.</p>
<p>But by January the polls showed that McCain was resurgent, and Edwards was actually almost 10 points behind him in a head-to-head. Obama could beat McCain, and Hillary was in a statistical tie.</p>
<p>Look at the January polls on <a href="http://www.pollingreport.com" rel="nofollow">Polling Report</a></p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Perris, The problem with your argument is that Edwards actually started losing by 10 points to McCain nationally in January, while Obama beat him by a statistically significant margin (Clinton was statistically tied).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Edwards only did better than the McCain when McCain was not considered “THE” Republican favorite.Once he started his rebound he started to beat Edwards. And Edwards never faced any scrutiny over his record by the MSM (the same charge that Clinton is making vs. Obama). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If his actual Senatorial record had been scrutinized it would have shown a very problematic candidate (especially for progressives). He was, with Joe Lieberman, a cofounder of the quite centrist-right New Democratic Coalition (a branch of the DLC), a caucus which had as members such luminaries as Ellen Tauscher and Art Davis (Alabama) in the House branch. In the Senate that Caucus consisted of Edwards, Lieberman, Bayh, Breaux and Landrieu (LA), Bob Graham (FL), Bob Kerrey (Neb), Blanche Lincoln (Ark), and Chuck Robb (VA).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And imagine what would have happened when issues like Edwards opposition to bills requiring that downed cattle not be put into the food chain. Or his support of the bankruptcy bill. Or his vote to table Dodd’s efforts to limit the reduction in the tax code rates and estate tax levels (in which he joined 13 Blue Dogs and the entire Republican wing to kill). In fact there are over 30 Bills that he joined with the Republicans against the concensus of the Democrats on issues relating to tax cuts, tabling accountability measures relating to the Iraq War, against public financing for elections, Nuclear Waste storage, against Veterans Health care, for restrictions of travel to Cuba, allowing sales of semiautomatic weapons and accessories over the internet, allowing the surplus 9instead of tax increases) to pay down fiscal year debt, etc. The list goes on-and-on.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s why the progressives in the Senate didn’t support him…they knew his record and the fact that he constantly voted to table, kill, and waive progressive bills and amendments with the Republicans and Blue Dogs.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perris, The problem with your argument is that Edwards actually started losing by 10 points to McCain nationally in January, while Obama beat him by a statistically significant margin (Clinton was statistically tied).</p>
<p>Edwards only did better than the McCain when McCain was not considered “THE” Republican favorite.Once he started his rebound he started to beat Edwards. And Edwards never faced any scrutiny over his record by the MSM (the same charge that Clinton is making vs. Obama). </p>
<p>If his actual Senatorial record had been scrutinized it would have shown a very problematic candidate (especially for progressives). He was, with Joe Lieberman, a cofounder of the quite centrist-right New Democratic Coalition (a branch of the DLC), a caucus which had as members such luminaries as Ellen Tauscher and Art Davis (Alabama) in the House branch. In the Senate that Caucus consisted of Edwards, Lieberman, Bayh, Breaux and Landrieu (LA), Bob Graham (FL), Bob Kerrey (Neb), Blanche Lincoln (Ark), and Chuck Robb (VA).</p>
<p>And imagine what would have happened when issues like Edwards opposition to bills requiring that downed cattle not be put into the food chain. Or his support of the bankruptcy bill. Or his vote to table Dodd’s efforts to limit the reduction in the tax code rates and estate tax levels (in which he joined 13 Blue Dogs and the entire Republican wing to kill). In fact there are over 30 Bills that he joined with the Republicans against the concensus of the Democrats on issues relating to tax cuts, tabling accountability measures relating to the Iraq War, against public financing for elections, Nuclear Waste storage, against Veterans Health care, for restrictions of travel to Cuba, allowing sales of semiautomatic weapons and accessories over the internet, allowing the surplus 9instead of tax increases) to pay down fiscal year debt, etc. The list goes on-and-on.</p>
<p>It’s why the progressives in the Senate didn’t support him…they knew his record and the fact that he constantly voted to table, kill, and waive progressive bills and amendments with the Republicans and Blue Dogs.</p>
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		<title>By: redX</title>
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		<dc:creator>redX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;this should fire up the FDL base&lt;br /&gt;
—-&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Doubt it since every candidate is going to say the same thing, and Edwards would have said the same thing as well. Gotta pander to Corn &amp; Exiles.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this should fire up the FDL base<br />
—-</p>
<p>Doubt it since every candidate is going to say the same thing, and Edwards would have said the same thing as well. Gotta pander to Corn &amp; Exiles.</p>
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		<title>By: redX</title>
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		<dc:creator>redX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am incensed that Florida’s primary is ignored..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;—-&lt;br /&gt;
If FLA had stayed in line their primary would have had more weight.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am incensed that Florida’s primary is ignored..</p>
<p>—-<br />
If FLA had stayed in line their primary would have had more weight.</p>
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		<title>By: bonkers</title>
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		<dc:creator>bonkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have some friends fairly high up in various campaigns around the country, and several are hearing that local Repubs are putting out word to vote for Clinton anywhere there is a an open primary, including today in WI.  It’s fairly well agreed upon within Party operations that Johnvez McSharraf will only stand a chance against Clinton.  Recent polls are showing that with Obama opening up 10-15% leads on McCan’t, while Clinton loses to CrazyTrain almost across the board.  Stunning.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tpmelectioncentral.talk.....lltracker/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have some friends fairly high up in various campaigns around the country, and several are hearing that local Repubs are putting out word to vote for Clinton anywhere there is a an open primary, including today in WI.  It’s fairly well agreed upon within Party operations that Johnvez McSharraf will only stand a chance against Clinton.  Recent polls are showing that with Obama opening up 10-15% leads on McCan’t, while Clinton loses to CrazyTrain almost across the board.  Stunning.<br />
<a href="http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/" rel="nofollow">http://tpmelectioncentral.talk&#8230;..lltracker/</a></p>
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		<title>By: redX</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/19/i-come-to-quote-caesar-not-to-reference-him/#comment-1282334</link>
		<dc:creator>redX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mug shot shows him in blue eye shadow.&lt;br /&gt;
—&lt;br /&gt;
Linkey please. This is surely a MSM story considering the wierd, and the politics (Bankrupcy judge in the age of bankrupcy &amp; Bush II apointing tons of evil people) - lets see if it makes it to the news.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mug shot shows him in blue eye shadow.<br />
—<br />
Linkey please. This is surely a MSM story considering the wierd, and the politics (Bankrupcy judge in the age of bankrupcy &amp; Bush II apointing tons of evil people) &#8211; lets see if it makes it to the news.</p>
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